>Jordanfags will ignore this

>3-5

Doesn't matter. Losing the finals 5 times is just disgraceful.

>>76635126
All the legitimate arguments you could make and you trot out this pleb-tier easily btfoable argument

>>76635227
Bronsexuals are actually mentally ill, the amount of mental gymnastics they have to perform to have an argument for their choking, stat padding idol is frankly astonishing

Why does it matter that Lebron is 8-4 in postseasons if he always fucks up on finals?

>>76635225
This. Exactly this.

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>>76635126
jordan didn't ditch his team for an all-star team and then still manage to fuck it up

6>3

>Losing to the 80s Celtics and Bad Boy Pistons before your prime is somehow a failure

>lecuckhold went 7 games against a team starting hibbert

What legacy

But Jordan still has more rings.

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>>76635126
>6
6

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>>76635225

>>76635225
Losing a couple times is bad, but I feel if you reach a comically high number like Lebron likely will, then it really does become more about you simply getting there rather than winning
Just look at West. I think he has something along the lines of 50000000000 finals losses, and he gets to be the logo

>>76635407
No one considers Jerry West the GOAT in the first place

No one would pick Russell over Jordan either despite 11 is more than 6

>>76635450
Whether West is GOAT or not is immaterial to the claim that losing 5 finals is disgraceful.

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>>76635126

>counting the 2 seasons in washington at 40yo

>skipping the part where lebron didnt even make the playoffs first 2-3 seasons

>skipping the part where all the wins each season were in the weakest by win percentage division within the weakest conference each year

>skipping the part where the cavs prior to 2014 only beat 1 team above 590 in the playoffs

>skipping the part where the cavs beat the celtics in 09 without KG and then still couldnt get to the finals

>skipping the part where 1 of the 2 wins against the magic was that half court chuck buzzer shot to win

>skipping the part where the magic were swept by kobe the next round

>skipping the mavs series where lebron played 10 full PER points worse than wade did

>skipping the part where his only definitive ring was against an expansion team who hasnt been back and fully dismantled as each all star eventually left because the coaches and upper management think a ball hog PG formula will ever win in the NBA history

>skipping the miracles needed to win his other 2 rings both needed 7 games as well

>skipping the part where both those teams came back the very next year and swept him in record points margins (each time in 14 and now in 17 broke the all time record)

oh im sorry what were you saying again?

>>76635476
It is disgraceful. West himself is still irked by it

>More overall talent during Jordan's era
>Lebron plays in a watered down league where pretty much only two teams are actually viable

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>>76635418
>It doesn't matter that they never won, the Bills are one of the GOAT teams because they made it to 4 SB in a row
>It doesn't matter that they only won once, the Braves are one of the GOAT teams because they dominated a weak sauce division for over a decade
This is what LeBronies actually believe

>there are people who actually think jordan was better than lebron
>the slower, smaller, weaker, and worse shooter was better
lebron is also a better defender

>>76635694
Get off /sp/ LeBron

>>76635587
>more overall talent during Jordan's era

Top kek you clowns are fucking delusional

30% of the players in that era would be benchwarmers on a good D1 team today

>>76635666

the hilarious part about the bills is that they literally lost to the NFC east

>>76635666
Braves won a WS in 95 I thought? Either way that rotation of Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz was sick. Avery was really good for a little while too

>>76636012
Yeah but GOAT teams. The Bills were only favored for Super Bowl 25. They had no chance vs the Redskins and Cowboys

>>76635487
>skipping the part where his only definitive ring was against an expansion team who hasnt been back and fully dismantled as each all star eventually left because the coaches and upper management think a ball hog PG formula will ever win in the NBA history


OKC isn't an expansion. Seattle moved

>>76636267
yes, hence, >Braves won once

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>>76635587

>More overall talent during Jordan's era

Anybody who honestly thinks this doesn't know shit about basketball

>>76635126

Jordan faced more stacked teams in the East. Lebron faces literally who in the east.

>>76635225
so losing in the east playoffs is better than actually making the finals? lebron could be 3-0 in finals if he lost in the east playoffs those other 5 times just like jordan lost 7 times.

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>>76635296
>losing to a 73 win team
oh wait bron beat that team
>losing to a KD stacked all star team
oh wait bron did lose to that team.

really makes me think.

>23 year old bron loses to spurs in 07
lol 23

>>76636453
>Jordan faced more stacked teams in the East
He did?

>mfw lebron haters overrate the 90s teams and lebron lovers overrate the 90s bulls

>>76635587

he only won finals once bird and magic were well past it. portland had drexler and nobody else, suns had barkeley and role players.

>>76635126
>sensible people ignore nonsensical arguments
Very true, op. Very true.

>>76636453
The east was the better conference in Jordans day but it wasn't stacked. It was a bunch of good teams that weren't great. That's why not a single one of them won a title from 1991-2003.

>>76635227
>pleb-tier easily btfoable
do it faget

>>76635772
no

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>>76635227
>says he can BTFO'd
>doesn't provide the argument.

>>76635587
Comparing eras is really stupid, but there clearly wasn't more talent in the 90s. There's no way in hell you can watch game 6 of the 96 finals and game 5 of this year's finals and tell me that with a straight face. The NBA today has an exponentially larger talent pool to draw from with basically the same number of teams they had by the mid-90s.

>>76635126
>unironically ignoring leslave scores 12 points in playoff games

sage

>>76636267
Winning world series is a crapshoot especially since adding the extra round. The favorite going into the playoffs usually only has ~20% odds of winning. Comparing that to the NBA is a fallacious argument.

>>76636333

i know, they all won 2-3 rings within a short span but its a coincidence that is never brought up during any 90s bills 4 peat documentries or shows

>>76636748
lmao I'm a LeBron dickrider but that's just a stupid ass argument

>>76636352

none of the players on that team played on the 96 team

nobody in seattle cares about that team

none of the seattle banners (they won a ring) is celebrated or displayed in OKC

>>76636430

the braves hype was from the pre-mlb.tv and broadcasting rights era and they were on TBS for free for the entire nation

so it was easy for ppl to be fans of them

>>76636748
Easy. Last 7 years has been the worst the Eastern Conference in NBA history.

>>76636896
>easily btfoable
>just a stupid ass argument
>still not going to actually provide a counter argument cause its just so obvious lol

>>76636938
I'm not faggy sports historian, I'm the type of fan who is past his playing days, but there's no way in hell that you eastern conference teams from the 90s were better than The spuds either year they beat Lebron Dirk's Mavs, or the Warriors. Pretty certain these are all superior losses if you want to start comparing opponents

>>76637000
and then to start comparing wins he beat literally the best team of all time, a team with 3 HoFers, Pop's Spuds....
Lebrons resume is far superior, esp when its all said and done. Jordan dickriders have literally nothing other than muh undefeated, mud clutch, muh jumpman...literally braindead level """arguments"""

>>76636963
>6>3
>Implying getting to 2 more finals is a better achievement than having 3 less rings
>1 of those postseasons was when Jordan was a rookie and went like 30-52 but they let everyone in the playoffs back then, James went 42-40 his second year and didn't make it, so that skews the totals both ways

Happy? It's a shit argument

>>76637064
his career is far from over. He's been to 2 more finals already. He'll go to 10 straight when its all said and done. That's a level of domination that's never been seen in any sport on any level in the history of mankind.

all Jordan fagets will have is : uhhh would've been 8 straight but muh Jordan-san got bored and wanted to go blow at another sport for 2 years lol get real retards

last I checked Jordan isn't the one tied for the most games lost in the Finals

>>76637105
and another player has like twice as many rings. ringfags cannot possibly claim jordan is goat, plain and simple.

>>76637141
last I checked Jordan went to six (6) in his ENTIRE CAREER

>>76637170
And then that's when they say it was full of shitty white guys back then, yet people still often rank Russell in the top 3...Wilt was much better anyway and I think the fact that Russell killed him in rings makes the super focus on that aspect faulty. Jordan is better but not because of rings. Way too many variables go into that.

>>76635450
Should we start a petition to remove Jerry West's likeness as the NBA logo and have it replaced with a PoC? I think it could work if we had the right organisations (BLM, NAACP, etc) behind it

>>76635126
who cares

Jordan got the easy peesy in the Finals

LeBron get better competition in the Finals

Jordan get better competition in the first rounds

LeBron gets zero competition in the first rounds

total opposite, but i'll give more credit to Kobe because he played in the west. LeBron is better than MJ tho

>>76635126
no one cares about 2nd place, only the winners

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>>76639123

>>76637254
Kc Jones has 10, if he has 1 more and Russell has 1 less are people putting kc Jones as the best ever and going "who?" when Bill Russell's name is brought up? It's pretty stupid.

>make it to 8 finals in a seriously shit EC

xd

>>76639329
Well it makes more sense to go by Finals MVPs anyway, which is why people bringing up Robert Horry as a counter to the ring argument makes no sense, but even then Russell had a very stacked team. Although it was before Russell's time he would have had more than Jordan though.

I think rings have their place in the discussion but it's not the almighty, because if so then you have to call Russell the GOAT, but they don't because of variables, but those same people sometimes are against acknowledging the variables between MJ and LeBron.

I've decided years ago that although MJ is the best player, LeBron is the best all-around player. LeBron with an MJ-like mentality would have been the GOAT probably though.

>LeBron has ever been on a team as good as Jordan's Bulls
>Any of LeBron's teams would make Conference Finals after he leaves
El em ay oh

>>76635285
Nag he just get btfo by bird and pistons till he had an all star team

>Actually believing making it to more finals is greater than winning more of them

Millennials sure do love their participation trophies.

>>76635126
So Jordan is 6-13, while Lebron is 3-12? What exactly is the argument here?

>>76639603
That's not the point, it's that LeBron is better off losing in the East Finals as long as the Warriors stay as is than winning the East Finals and surely losing in the NBA Finals (assuming also the same team). There's obviously a flaw in that reasoning but the way people decide legacies, it is true.

>>76639632
He'd be better off not being a cuck on the biggest stage and failing like he inevitably does. His participation trophies in the finals is nothing to brag about which most people have been doing.

>Muh 8 finals
>but 3-5
>but MUH 8 FINALS
>3-5

>>76639632
Shit he's better off losing 1st round

>>76639679
He is the first player ever to average a triple-double in the Finals, his team literally got blown out as soon as he went on the bench literally every time, and the team on the other side is arguably the best ever. Jordan was never under those circumstances. But you don't care, you just want to ignore all the other shit because you have an unhealthy dislike of LeBron. And before you sperg at me yes MJ is the best hands down.

>>76639719
He passes the ball in clutch situations. Has people bail him out. Pads his stats with bs like that somehow excuses yet another failure in the finals. Arguing and making excuses for him is fucking silly when it's obvious he's not as great. I never said he was trash but fuck sake he's not GOAT.

And Jordan would never lose to those fucking Mavericks.

How stupid are you niggers
Jordan had the harder path to the finals but the easier match ups in the finals
LeBron had a piss easy virtually guaranteed path to the finals but had tough finals match ups

>>76639779
>He passes the ball in clutch situations. Has people bail him out.
Jordan had other people help him similarly, everyone knows this.

>Pads his stats with bs
I don't know if it's the case still but he had the highest efficiency rating and WAR average after MJ and that was years ago, calling LeBron a stat padder is either hardcore hating or poor basketball knowledge.

>Arguing and making excuses for him
They aren't excuses, you are just presenting everything in black and white and can't give any credit whatsoever where it's due, and no one makes excuses for the Mavs series.

>>76639827
Yeah, he really needed the likes of Ray Allen to completely bail him out in a lose and go home finals game 6. Wait, nope. And Korver? Come the fuck on.

He stat padded in a series where he could have been more clutch and it would have made more of a difference than muh triple double. Westbrook avg for a season and it didn't mean jack shit.

The fucking Mavericks. Goat talk ended right fucking there. Again, you act like I'm calling him trash. Never said he was. Just not crazily impressed by his many, many participation trophies is all. You're making it out to be more than it is because I'm not slurping his cock for it.

>>76635126

those stats aren't even correct tho

>>76639905
eh not even worth it, no one is slurping in this convo, only one person is unreasonable and hating

>>76639905
Explain how korver bailed him out please

>>76640723
Wasn't saying he did. Saying he looked for him to.

>>76636520
Yea but back in the 80s it was Bird's playground. You think Lebron's record wouldve been better if he stuck with the last place Cavs from 09-14?

>>76639782
>Mavericks

>>76640958
>1 matchup
>Where Dirk and Terry played lights. fucking. out.

>>76640976
>Defending that shitshow
Will they stop at nothing?

>>76640982
Im not even defending anyone
Over every series that either Jordan or LelBron played LelBron objectively had tougher finals match ups

>>76640991
That L was fucking pitiful. Lebron objectively has a worse record in finals, more losses than wins, and he has that on his plate.

>>76635126
>Lebron is better because he got to the finals more times, then proceeded to lose in them
Wow, really made me think

>>76641003
Devil's advocate
Him beating the 73 win warriors was more clutch and more impressive than anything Jordan has ever done in his entire career
End. Of. Story.

[Spoiler] LelBron is a bitch [/spoiler]

Lebron will never be the goat after the 2011 series.

>>76641021
Fucking Kyrie was more clutch. Give me a break. You also had Silverball helping him out with suspensions after he whined and whined. Nothing clutch about being a baby. And having Curry ailing.

>>76641046
>Suspensions
Draymond straight up earned that suspension by acting like a fucking monkey ass nigger for the entire duration of the playoffs

>>76641021
Curry injured
Bogut out after game 5
Lebitch cries to Silver to get Draymond suspended when he did the same shit game 3 and should have gotten two techs for kicking and spiking the ball after a TO.

Face it the league bends over backwards for him and he still chokes.

so it's 6-7 to 3-9, tell me again which ones better?

>MJ
>6 Eastern conference championships
>6 NBA championships
>12 total chips

>Lebron
>8 Eastern conference championships
>3 NBA championships
>11 total chips

Lebron only needs to make the finals 1 more time and the GOAT debate is over

>>76635126
let me simplify it for you retards. mj was top dog for 6 championship teams. lebron only 3. when you get into specifics lebron still comes up short. and that's ok. lebron is one of the goats

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Not 1, not 2, not 3, 4, 5...
Lelbon is just 2 finals losses away from what he promised.
KEK

>>76641708
Unless you count international competitions, then its already fulfilled. >>76641708

>>76637270
Have LeBron lose a few more Finals, then I'll support that idea

>>76641318
kek

>>76635126
>>76635694
>>76636520
>>76636811
>>76641318

Jordan didn't become the MJ we all know until his first ring. He was very good but his mental and physical game went over the hump once he won his first title. Then the rings stacked up and he became goat. And had he not quit during his peak he probably would have won 2 more titles. Basic stuff guys.

lebron has long since peaked, and it isn't as good, but he maybe breaks top 10. His failure to deliver in the 4th quarter, his lazy defense, his poor jumpshot, and his inability to elevate teammates keeps him out of any serious discussion of the great ones.

The fact that such simple things need to be explained to anyone is truly sorry, and shows how out of touch some basketball "fans" are with reality.

>>76640958
Those Mavs would have stomped the Jazz who were considered Jordan's greatest rivals

If you think LeDiva is better than Jordan, Duncan and Kobe, your age and plebeian ways are showing.

>>76640948
>b-but bird
and jordan beat them in the 80's? stop talking about the bbp and them when all they did was bend over jordan year after year.

>>76641806
jordan quit one season, he lost to the magic(who got swept by based hakeem) in 1995, the year before that, his team couldve made the finals if not for refball.

jordan had a better team than lebron

>>76635418
West is a GOAT executive. He's the Architect of many dynasties. Lebron is the architect of Finals Losses.

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VOTE IN LELBRON
VOTE IN LELBRON
VOTE IN LELBRON

>>76635225
so getting swept in or not even making the playoffs is better as opposed to making the finals consecutively then losing? you faggots actually believe that?

>>76642264
3-5 should really be an option. It's the new standard we define GOATs by.

>>76642355
Yep, it's already been said. The way people are judging LeBron, he is unironically much better off missing the playoffs than going to the Finals and losing in Game 7 by 1.

>>76642376
they'd talk shit no matter what. i can see it now

>how he king and can't even make the playoffs
>muh leastern conference (while ignoring that the bulls were eastern and fall back on the muh stronger teams at the time argument)

these guys are insufferable. whatever, i recognize greatness. we will no doubt miss lebron when he retires.

>>76642401
They will but everyone is using the ring argument above all and they are viewing it completely black and white. If he went 3-0 on the Warriors, was up by 30 in the 3rd quarter in Game 4 and got injured the rest of the series and GSW won the rest of the games all it would be to them is another LeBron L.

They even try to delegitimize the ones he did win lol

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>losing in the conference finals is better than losing in the finals

Elaborate Jordanfags

>>76635225
He had to get to the finals in the first place to lose.

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WITNESS

>>76642435
well that's just it. everyone else is allowed to be a part of a team but because lbj is the best they make it seem as if he loses then the loss is totally on him alone when it's a team effort. his performance could be good but he still gets flack when he steps up, hell he played his ass off these finals especially in game 5 despite the loss. if anything i'd look at k love who's getting paid max contract but held 6 points.

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>>76642449
>when you destroy the eastern conference with your superteam then think it's an accomplishment to win it seven years in a row

>>76642481
>muh superteam
>Wade and Bosh
>Irving and Love

People actually think Bosh and Love are good enough to be considered a """"""superteam""""""? It has to be b8 or just a meme at this point.

Remember guys, no matter what, Lebron has always had it harder than anyone who has ever played the game and has never had teammates worth a damn ever. Not for a single solitary year. None of his finals losses count because either the team he was playing against was far too good or the team he was on was so terrifically bad. He is blameless. His failures are just another display of his GOATness. Even his non-clutchness is not an issue. None of these things can ever be used against him. He is just great because we say so. The end. /thread

The only people who actually believe Lebron is better than Jordan are millennials who never watched Jordan play. Nobody cares about their opinion so these threads should just be allowed to die.

Basketball is rigged you fucking retards...

Not every match but much more than any other sport, the refereeing is a damn joke, and Jordan era was probably the worst for this

Might as well be watching WWE

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>>76635126
>The only argument I need
>Shawn

>>76635898

Which is just proving the point considering most of them are in their 50s now.

>>76642495
>People actually think Bosh and Love are good enough to be considered a """"""superteam""""""

Love averaged 26ppg and 12rpg prior to joining the Cavs, he and Griffin were the 2 best PF's in the league....

Same with Bosh, averaged 24ppg and 10rpg before joining Miami

Go back to watching hockey

>>76642735
What about reggie Miller?

>>76642823
>muh regular season stats
Did either of them ever make it out of the 1st round of the playoffs?

>>76642909
>disregard individual player stats, rebuttal with an argument about teams!

>>76642435
that was basically what happened this time, dude couldnt rest for a minute without his team giving up an 11-0 run, then "people" on here kept bitching about him getting old and being tired.

https://pollmill.com/f/what-is-the-size-of-sara-ninno-s-nipple-h7y6xpc/answers/new.html

>>76642967
>using lebron haters own arguements in a LeBron vs jordan thread

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>>76642967
pippen made it farther alone than jordan ever did alone. wade was already slowing down when lelbron joined.

take them off anon

>>76635487
No argument you can make will ever have Jordan better than LeBron.

LeBron never got swept in the first round of the playoffs like Jordan did multiple times until he had a literal all Star team and the bad boys were broken up to promote Jordan as a brand.

>>76641806

The Cavs before and after LeBron left them were literally the worst team in the league. The bulls without Jordan still were one of the best 3 teams in the league with a hall of fame coach. You have no fucking clue what you are taking about

>>76643340
Even the heat, the superteam minus lebron, didnt make the playoffs the year after he went back to Cleveland.

>>76635487
>>skipping the part where his only definitive ring was against an expansion team who hasnt been back and fully dismantled as each all star eventually left because the coaches and upper management think a ball hog PG formula will ever win in the NBA history
>still thinking this is a valid argument as if OKC lucked their way into beating the Lakers and Spurs and this discredits their accomplishments and Bron's

>>76642735
Pretty much, except for the Mavs series.

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>>76635225
>Finals played against 70+ win teams
MJ: 0
LBJ: 3
>Finals played against teams capable of winning finals (not counting vs each other)
MJ: 0
LBJ: 6
>Finals played with Zydrunas Ilgauskas as your second best player
MJ: 0
LBJ: 1
>Finals played with Timofey Mozgov as second best player
MJ: 0
LBJ: 1

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>be the "Goat"
>down 3
>have to tie game and push overtime
>do this instead

>>76648344
not surprising. they had to force the inbounds pass because of 5 sec rule and the golden memers knew they had to shoot a 3. the only failure is the coaching to draw up a good play for one of their ace 40%+ 3 point shooters. bron saved them from a 5 sec violation from lue's retarded and failed play. another thing mj never had to deal with with an all time GOAT HoF coach.

>>76635126
>6-7
>3-9
great argument there

>>76647880
Reminder okc was moderate favorites to win that series. Since the heat dispatched them in 5 historical revisionism just dismisses them now as a young, new team that didn't belong there.

LeBron has won 2 finals as an underdog and lost 1 as a favorite. He was only favored in 2/8 finals.

>>76649103
that one he lost as a """favorite""" was a tough match up as well. that mavs team swept kobe, prime gasol, bynum, artest and 4-1 durant, harden, westbrook, ibaka. there's no way that 3 man heat """superteam" with no other starters or bench would beat a team that already slapped the shit outta two much stronger opponents. that was vegas cashing in on delusional fans, nothing more.

>>76648396
kyrie was open

>>76649211
by the time kyrie was open it was already too late, he committed to bron or face 5 sec violation. besides this kyrie chucking a three over klay is probably no better

>>76649158
I had Mavs winning over the Bulls before that year's postseason even started but that wasn't the problem. LeBron was uncomfortable in that Finals. He completely deferred to Wade, and this after GOAT performances against the Bulls and Celtics in the previous rounds. I think the dynamic of that team came to a head that series. Whose team was it really? The next year Wade had to tell LeBron to take over as "The" guy and then they won easily.

>>76649360
Yeah Bron played like shit they probably could of won but that Mavs team was clearly way fucking better than they were made out to be. Underdogs my ass they swept Kobe's Lakers.

>73 win team Warriors don't win the Finals
>Lebum goes 3-5 even after constructing a variety of super teams

Every time a team or player is on the verge of outdoing a Jordan milestone, a mystical force seems to keep confirming Jordan's status as one of the GOATs, and results in their failure.

>>76649284
There were over 10 seconds left and it's not like he's never hit 3s in front of guy's faces before.

Look at all the superstars Jordan had to play against; Bird, Ewing, Miller, Thomas, Mourning. And not to mention the second tier players who'd be superstars in today's NBA.
LeBron has to play against one-and-done fags who don't know how to play the game.

>>76649723
>Look at all the superstars Jordan had to play against; Bird, Ewing, Miller, Thomas, Mourning.
Wait, you're actually serious.

I'll say it again, LeBron haters overrate the fuck out of the 90s and LeBron dickriders overrate the 90s Bulls.

>>76648396
>it was the coach's fault Lebron got blocked and turned it over

>>76649646
if they didn't shoot the three the second they caught the ball they'd foul, preventing them from having a chance to tie.
>>76650227
it literally was. the coach failed to draw up a successful inbounds play.

>>76648344
Clutch as hell

At kicking others in the jewels

For me, it's the King James.

>>76647960
Hilarious

I'll take 6-0 and I bet any team team would prefer it as well.

>>76651336
but yeah it's pretty much understood that the Mavs series is the only series he actually choked in.

>>76651845
But yeah I'm laughing at all of it

>>76635418
west ran into a team that had hall of famers coming off the bench, and in an era when no one had an answer for guys like bill or wilt, and they may have won that chip against them if wilt didn't get hurt. I mean we are talking about an era in which 2 tall black dudes could do shit like get 50 rebounds easily.

Jerry West made up for it as an executive though, he has like what 10 rings or some shit? Just from the teams he built

>>76642054
no one beat bird in the 80s lol, did you just watch the 5 hour 30 for 30 they did on that era? Also jordan mostly got destroyed by the pistons because they were allowed to basically lay flagrants on his ass every single time he did anything, but lebron apologists will still pretend like the 80s were easy to play in, while lebron can get guys ejected when he flops, hilarious

>>76642786
>this nigga still posting on here

restart sphl fgt

>>76651984
but yeah well I pity a fag such as yourself then.

>>76652036
>but lebron apologists will still pretend like the 80s were easy to play in
Who's saying this? You sure you didn't misread "80s" as "'90s"?

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>>76648344
LeBitch is almost the best at being the worst.

>>76652036
Bill Lambeer was a lot bigger than Jordan. If he tried that shit against James he would get a full head of steam, a lowered shoulder, and park his untalented ass into the first few rows until he stopped or got hospitalized. Why does everyone think a more physical league wouldn't favor a guy that's 6-8.259-260 lbs more?

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>>76653151

>>76643406
The 2015 heat did though

>>76642982
>>76642478
this this this

>>76653238
I'm suprised lebon even got that much.

LeBron is the best player to have ever player just based on pure eye test and advanced stat analysis with Jordan coming second and I've watched every playoff game for Jordan from 88 on so I have authority on the matter, most people here probably haven't seen MJ or did when they were just kid and they're supposed to have a respectable opinion it's just nonsense.

Pure numbers are stupid, it doesn't take into account the quality of the other teams. It's better to use a metric to rate opponent team ability and state how difficult it would be to beat that team, while also taking into account the quality of the supporting cast on the player's team.

>>76635126
>Implying this is relevant

Only rings are

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>>76654301
so hes the GOAT?

>>76635288
THATS THE ONLY ARGUMENT I NEED SHAWN

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>>76648344
beside the kick in the nuts, he even did a slap-n-pull. lebitch sure is a natural.

>>76648344

that was definitely a foul

>>76635587
After Shaq left Orlando the East was just as bad as it is now. Jordan's only competition his last 3 years was fucking Alonzo Mourning

>>76649456

bro the '17 warriors have clearly eclipsed Jordan's bulls. In terms of talent at least

'17 Warriors > 01/02 Lakers > '96 Bulls > '16 Warriors IMO

>>76635126
When you're contending on that level of a stage, its going to be a factor that Lebron has such a middling performance in the most important series of the year. It wasn't even like he was playing amazing teams. The underdog Mavericks, the overloaded but poorly coordinated Thunder, only beating the Spurs because of a bricked free throw and one of the best all time 3 shooters bailing you out only to lose the next year to a 38 year old Hall of Famer. Bail on your team to go to another superteam, lose again to a team that is better then you on paper, rebound and finally win another title, get BTFO the next year. Its embarassing. Especially considering the biggest challenge he had in the East was a weak but well coached Pacers team, or the decaying husk of the 2008 Celtics.

>>76655752
Jesus Christ

>>76655752
The GSW's run to the finals this year sure looked harder than the East. lmao

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>>76655752
Theres Ray Allens stat line that game. Think he kinda owed the team that three at that point because he didn't do a fucking thing that whole game despite playing most of it. If everyone on the Heat scored at his rate the whole game they would've lost by 40. He didn't bail Lebron out lmao.

>>76655988
Also there's his other two "super" teammates putting up pedestrian as hell numbers.

>>76655752
autism

>>76655988
>wade 14 pts
>bosh 10pts
LOL

Talent creep has been huge in basketball since the 90s. Michael Carter-Williams is a better player than Jordan ever was and he's barely an NBA talent today. Players like Larry Bird and Magic Johnson wouldn't even be recruited to play at D1 colleges today.

wait why isn't kobe in this discussion?

dude has 3.5 rings and he played in the west when it was most competitive.

>>76656241

This. The only possible guy who could could come close to keeping up physically with players today is Wilt, though he'd have to completely revamp his game and learn to shoot 3's. Even then he'd only be about Deandre Jordan level

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>>76635225
>losing in the divisional round is better than losing in the finals

>>76656325
MUH BIRD MUH ISIAH MUH 80's

>>76656325

I mean, it really is. As much as lebron lovers try to twist logic around, losing on the big stage is infinitely worse than losing in previous rounds. If you lose early on it's because your team is flawed in some way, however Lebron's teams were all superteams that steamrolled their way to the finals.

Losing as a superteam is worse than not being a contender because it means YOU choked rather than you being on a bad team with nothing you could do about it like jordan was.

And before people bring up that 2009 cavs wasn't a superteam, they won 66 games and were built around lebron. None of MJ's teams were built around MJ and were flawed due to terrible GMs and ownership. If MJ had a team build specifically around and won 66 games he damn well would have also won the chip

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>>76656463
>I mean, it really is.

>And before people bring up that 2009 cavs wasn't a superteam

>If you lose early on it's because your team is flawed in some way, however Lebron's teams were all superteams that steamrolled their way to the finals.
>Losing as a superteam is worse than not being a contender because it means YOU choked rather than you being on a bad team with nothing you could do about it like jordan was.
Or it means you just ran into better teams who can outlast you for seven games. LeBron's actual record when looking at betting odds should be 2-6 or 3-5, depending on how you wanna look at 2012 (though you could just toss that back at me and say MJ's actual record should be 4-2, which I won't disagree with).

>And before people bring up that 2009 cavs wasn't a superteam, they won 66 games and were built around lebron.
And speaking of twisting logic around, you're gonna now tell me a superTEAM needs only one spectacular player but is somehow not flawed by only making it to the conference finals?
>But that means those Cavs choked?
Or maybe that Boston was a legitimate superteam by the definition that most people go by?

>>76654277
Jordan is the best player I've seen, and I watched the showtime Lakers with Kareem.

>>76656463
>MJ's teams were built around MJ and were flawed due to terrible GMs and ownership

and they say Lebrondickriders love to twist logic.