17. FUCKING. REASONS.

>11) Michael Jordan shows up in the 4th quarter while LeBron James disappears.
Jordan kept his teams in the game, especially when it got tough and scored most of his points in the 2nd half and 4th quarter.
LeBron goes 2-12 in the 4th of the 2011 Finals for 6 points.
>12) Jordan passes the eye test in a big game.
If you need to score and momentum isn’t going your way, you don’t want LeBron James who will defer and hope for a teammate to make a shot. You want Jordan who will find a way to score even against a Defensive Player of the Year when it has to go in.
>13) If Jordan is healthy, his teams go to the playoffs every year.
>14) Michael Jordan never claimed to be the best player in the world before an elimination game and then shot terrible to lose the game.
LeBron James told everyone he’s the best player in the world and then shot 13-32 in Game 6 against the Warriors.
>15) Imagine what Jordan could have done if he had played in the recruiting era.
He could play with any other superstar and be even more unguardable. Imagine Jordan recruiting Hakeem Olajuwon and a guy like Kevin Johnson to play with him and Pippen. They probably would win not one, not two, not three, etc.
>16) LeBron James is a Flopper
>17) Jordan has SIX titles and SIX Finals MVPs

really makes you think

All these points are right. I had some retard tell me that the "greatest basketball player ever is lebron but the greatest winner is jordan". When I asked him how lebron is the better basketball player when jordan was a better defender and a better offensive player he had no retort.

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For me, LBJ is maybe #6. What's undisputed by everyone except complete fucking retards is that MJ is the GOAT.

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>>76577713
This

He isn't even the best at his position. Give me Larry legend any day

>Larry Bird was second in the NBA in defensive rating in 1984, and ranked in the top 10 six times. LeBron has only entered the top 10 twice.

>Larry Bird scored more ppg than lebron at the same age despite playing in an Era with hand checking.

>Larry Bird had two 50/40/90 season, Lebron shot less than 70% from the ft line during these playoffs

>>76577713

Shoop?

How is this even possible?

>>76577326
Anyone with common sense knows Jordan is the better player. Lebron has already played in more seasons and games than Jordan, yet all of his numbers are inferior. Only thing Lebron is better at than Jordan is passing and rebounding. And even those numbers are slightly better than Jordan.

>>76577884
Shove your useless stats up your fat American ass.

Jordan never carried a team like LeBron did.

>>76577880
Watch some Jordan highlights my man.

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>>76577936
>you will never be this triggered that your favorite player is objectively inferior to someone else's favorite player

Lebron is a Jack of all Trades. He isn't really the best at any one category but his whole skillset and athleticism are what makes him a great player.

>>76577998
He's a great player but not even nearly the goat

>>76577326
I'm pretty sure LeBron has done lots of positive things that Jordan never did.

Why are people so obsessed with the Jordan vs LeBron argument? At the end of the day you can cherry pick random stats to make one look better or worse.

Fact is, both are amazing players.

>>76577326
I'm not even a lebron fanboy but so many of these points can be countered easily
>10 scoring titles to lebrons 1
jordan puts up 30/5/6 while lebron goes 28/7/7 career wise, contributing more
>jordan defeated 50 and 60 win teams
Lebron defeated a 73 win team, winningest of all time
>if jordan is healthy, his team goes to the playoffs every year
and lebron has been to 7 straight finals, despite dying Wade, ded Love
>lebron is a flopper; you can count on michael in close games; jordan takes over games
none of these are statistics, all opinions

REEEEEEE WHY THE FUCK AM I UNEMPLOYED AND RETARDS LIKE THIS GET PAID TO WRITE SHIT ARTICLES

>Jordan played in a far superior era
>the 90's
>a far superior era
AAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH
the 90's were one of the weakest eras in basketball, diluted talent and shit teams all around

>>76578034
Jordan

10 scoring titles

Lebron

1 scoring title

Jordan

dpoty

Lebron

-

Jordan is better on both sides of the ball

The players overall are better now than they were in the 90s. I dont know why people say things like "the east is shit", there's no such thing as a free pass. These are the best players in the world

>>76578060
Jordan's DPOTY was a joke, tho.

>>76578009
>4 scrubs + lebron
you can make it to the finals
>4 scrubs + jordan
you're out in the first round

>>76578035
>going to 7 straight finals is somehow more impressive than winning all finals you've made it to

Also, Jordan contributed more because he was a better defender, committed less turnovers, and didn't handicap his team by foregoing his role to get more touches by playing point. There were actually a few stretches jordan did play point and average 8+ assists.

>>76578044
Are you saying that the tanking in today's game is great? Because there are some truly shit teams in this era that are just as bad (worst actually) than those expansion teams in the 90's.

>>76578088
when has lebron ever played with scrubs? or carried scrubs to the final? He's always had good teammates

>>76578117
Cavs first finals against the Spurs

>>76578088
>Lebron faces no one in the east
>Jordan faced Boston an all time great team
>then the Bad Boy Pistons an all time great team

>>76578088
>4 scrubs + lebron in today's garbage east

You can make the finals and get swept by the first team over .600 you face. Wow, how awesome.

Barring injury jordan was on track to drag a horrid Washington wizards side to the playoffs as a 40 year old man.

>>76578095
>getting beat in the first round is somehow more impressive than carrying a team to the finals
jordan is a better scorer, and that's it
if I had to chose one to take the final shot it's mj every time, but if I had to chose one to increase the overall strength of my team it's lebron every time

>>76578128
>at the time the east has teams less than .500 going into the playoffs
>at the time lebron didn't go so a single team above .590 before the finals
>gets swept by the first decent team he meets

>>76578136
He never really beat the Bad Boys Pistons until the team disbanded. He got BTFO 3 times by them, and he had Pippen one of those times.

It's the only argument I need, Shawn!

>>76578161
Doesn't change the fact that he carried a team of scrubs to the Finals.

>>76578136
you must be new to the nba because the east has only recently become the lebron show, in the 00's there were good teams in the east.
Jordan did face those teams and got raped repeatedly when they were in their prime. Then they got old and he got pippen and he started winning.

>>76578137
>in today's garbage east
How about in 07's competitive east

>>76578165
That's the point, Jordan faced prime Bird and then the best Pistons of all time, what teams does Lebron play against?

>>76578142
Jordan is also a better defender. That means he is better on both sides of the ball. Lebron is only better at traveling to the hoop and wildly throwing it out to a stationary chucker for assists or turnovers.

And about getting out in the first round. Jordan was in the nba for 15 years. 2 for the wizards as an old man. 2 where he was out most the regular season through injury or retirement. Including those 4 seasons he still made 6 finals, and won 6 times. Lebron has been in the league 14 uninterrupted seasons. He has made the finals 8 times and won only thrice. How anyone can go through the mental gymnastics to think that two extra finals appearances at the cost of three extra losses is somehow better than 6 wins is beyond me.

Also, when jordan wasn't making the finals he was getting knocked out by bird's Celtics or the bad boys. Lebron was getting knocked out by Howard the cowards magic (lol)

>>76577787
What cherry picked bullshit. You aren't very intelligent.

>>76578161
The pistons had 53 wins that season you mongoloid

>>76578194
Oh yeah, the 07 east where only the Pistons and the cavs were above .590. Where three teams at .500 or less made the playoffs (yes, a team with a losing record made the playoffs).

Mind you that same pistons team was never the same after the hand checking rules were implemented after they won. And Bron played like shit against the Pistons

>>76578233
>Regular season matters
Warriors won less games this season. Are they a worse team?

>>76578217
Great response lestan

>>76577326
1. Jordan was smart enough to shave his head when going bald, Lelbron decided to add shitty hairplugs

>>76578165
The Pistons lost Rick Mahron, and that was it. Also don't want to hear the "there were old" excuse either. Thomas was 29 when the Bulls beat the Pistons. Dumars was like 26, Laimbeer was like 31. They were not an old team.

>>76578305
Was even worst when he started wearing those giant headbands to try and hide the fact he was balding.

>>76578260
>And Bron played like shit against the Pistons
>scoring your team's last 20 points
>playing like shit
interesting

>>76578204
But it's a double edged argument (which has been my point all along).

There's no shame in losing against the 80s Celtics or Chuck Daly's Pistons, however starting winning championships until both teams declined is an indicative of how weak (and overrated) was the 90s era.

I think there's no convincing answer for who is better, Jordan has a lot of mysticism around him thanks to Nike, meanwhile LeBron always had an antagonist reputation. Both have different roles, both improved their franchises and both have dominated their eras.
>>76578310
That team was done, Thomas already carried too much injuries (he played like half a season in 91) and Chuck Daly left soon after.

>>76578348
>only winning the series because of boogie Gibson playing out of his mind

Interesting

Larry Bird and Magic Johnson are both better than Michael Jordan.
Jordan is still better than Lebron tho.

>>76577326
Is there any sane person who claims that MJ is not the greatest nignoghoop player in history?

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>>76578482
Some people never bought the nike hype.

>>76578482
Retards that watch too much E!spn

jordan had the benefit of playing against a bunch of mediocre teams in his prime so people don't say he had no competition. And when he was facing great competition, the 80's, he was getting destroyed.
Lebron has overall played against much worse teams in the east but waaay better teams in the finals.
Beating 4 mediorce teams is much easier than beating 1 great team.

>>76578513
espn glorifies jordan more than jesus, fuck are you talking about kostas

>>76578543
Please, they've been pushing lebron being goat for more than half a decade now

Consider the following:

https://twitter.com/WeAreCavsNation/status/874747846695636992

>>76577326
Any person who watched Jordan play knows he is the GOAT. Any person who has examined the statistics knows he is the GOAT. The only people left are ignorant millennials, and nobody cares what they think.

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>>76578572
>Lakers central years
>Being demonized for changing teams
>Being mocked for losing against based Dirk
>About two years of being the poster boy of the NBA
>Warriors central
>Winning one for da land
>Back to warriors central

LeBron couldn't score outside of the paint for 80% of his career

>>76579190
This. He only gets hyped as much as he is because media and casuals jizz in their pants when the see a powerful dunk.

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>>76577326
Dobro jutro! Good luck expecting from bronsexuals to comprehend the most basic logic and facts. 80% of them didn't watch any basketball before 2014.

>>76578543
Brian Windhorst just put out a great Lebron cocksucking article

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>>76579262
>He only gets hyped as much as he is because media and casuals jizz in their pants when the see a powerful dunk
rly maeks me think

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>>76577787

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>>76579442
>Brian Windhorst

>>76579529
>comparing their entire careers when bird had a number of years at the end of his career with a broken back
>avoiding comparisons of their peaks because it didn't favor your idol

Pathetic

>>76579903
>>avoiding comparisons of their peaks because it didn't favor your idol
>you didn't just do that

LeBron is still a better person in general.

He is very humble, always donating and helping the community.

MJ is a smug piece of shit, rude as fuck to all his mates.

>>76578034
I think it's because LeBron called himself Jordan's successor while he was still in high school.

>>76580660
No, it's disingenuous to include 3+ seasons where bird's numbers drastically dropped after suffering numerous injuries and undergoing numerous surgeries. It wasn't a slow decline either. One season he is accessing 28+ ppg, the next he plays 6 games and for the rest of his career he doesn't average more than 21. Comparing their peak is more indicative of the quality of each player

>>76580714
I'm aware, but I was specifically talking about >>76577787.

>>76580755
That is their peaks though. Lebron and Larry are very similar in terms of stats and impact. I prefer larry but to put their career numbers when 175+ games out of a career of less than 900 games total for larry were him playing essentially crippled. If you want to say the numbers I put weren't lebron's peak I'm willing to listen, but at least from my eye test it was his peak. He had his athleticism combined with complete control of the team.

>>76579903
>>76580714

Your cute picture a little ways up showed a single fucking season, one of which is arguably outside of LeBron's prime. You have ground meat for brains if you think that is enough statistical evidence you mongoloid.

The Bulls won TWO(2) fewer games the first year of Michael's retirement. Then they made it as far as Jordan ever got in the playoffs before he had Pippen. The Cavs on the other hand WON 42 FEWER GAMES. Michael was never as essential to the team as Lebron. He could never carry a team like Lebron

>>76580966
>Jordan fags will ignore this

>>76580811
>If you want to say the numbers I put weren't lebron's peak I'm willing to listen,
Try either of the MVP years in Miami.
>He had his athleticism combined with complete control of the team.
And also missed the longest stretch of his career due to injury.

Why do jiggaboojam fans always feel the need to argue this when everyone knows adam morrison was the GOAT

It's better to compare Lebron to Magic, as both have essentially the same skillset and both are extremely valuable to their respective teams in terms of comparing the teams record with and without them on the floor. It's also better to compare them because Magic was in an era where only one other team could challenge the Lakers, and that team was always the Celtics with their crazy lineup, much like Lebron has to always compete with the Spurs (w/ the Heat) and now with the Warriors.

The Jordan vs. Lebron crap only manifested itself because both players were the face of the NBA in their respective times, and both are advertising/marketing giants for the league. But both do not share the same roles for their teams. It's like trying to say Randy Moss is a better football player than Tom Brady, i.e. it doesn't make sense to compare the two.

If you want to compare a contemporary player to MJ, you have to compare Kevin Durant. Offensively, both have the exact same role for their teams.

>>76580966
Being the most essential player on your team doesn't make you the goat. Achieving championships is always the goal and setting aside your ego and working on a smart team for a smart coach is as important as physical traits and ability. Goats know this. Lebum is no goat. He no doubt has like a 99 physical rating but his intangibles are so lacking it's not even funny. Jordan maybe like a 90 physical ability with 99 intangibles.

>>76577326
Oh boy here we go

>1) Jordan was a better scorer than LeBron James
Lebron is a pass first guy. Hes magic but better. And he still manages to rival jordan in points
>2) Jordan played in a far superior era
Objectively wrong. GSW and the spurs were far greater than anyone jordan ever faced. Hell even dirks mavs were better. Thats excluding bostons big 3 in 09-10. Basketball is better than its ever been
>3) Michael Jordan is a far superior defender than LeBron James
I agree. Although lebron is no slouch
>4) Michael Jordan takes over games and is able to lift his team when needed
So does lebron. He averaged a triple double this finals
>5) LeBron James is a turnover machine while Jordan took care of the ball
Thats misleading. Lebrons trying to do a lot more with the ball than jordan did. Not to mention hes playing from behind most of the game leading to riskier play
>6) You can count on Michael Jordan to close games
6-0 finals is great. He never played as an underdog tho
>7) LeBron would have had a much harder time playing in Jordan’s era
This is the opposite of true.
>8) Michael Jordan is the better shooter
Again misleading stats. Lebron has the much better 3 point shot
>9) Michael Jordan never got outscored by a player on the bench in the Finals
Cool meme
>10) LeBron James has never had to defeat three teams with 50 wins or two teams with 60 wins in any playoff run
He defeated the winningest team in history. A team that won more than jordan ever did

>>76581081
A smart, non biased opinion. You deserve a (You).

>>76577333
>11) Michael Jordan shows up in the 4th quarter while LeBron James disappears.
2011 was bad but not indicitive of his career. I could cherrypick 2017 stats but im not a cherrypicking fag like you
>12) Jordan passes the eye test in a big game.
Eye test is a meme used by old people and retards. Lebron has better all around stats
>13) If Jordan is healthy, his teams go to the playoffs every year.
Lebron actually makes the finals every year. 6-10 doesnt have a nice ring to it tho
>14) Michael Jordan never claimed to be the best player in the world before an elimination game and then shot terrible to lose the game.
Jordan was the cockiest player in the nba. Youre not old enough to remember he was a dick.
>15) Imagine what Jordan could have done if he had played in the recruiting era.
He was already on the greatest team in history with other hall of famers. A little different than lebrons cavs
>16) LeBron James is a Flopper
Different era. Jordan was a notoriously dirty player. He would have flopped if they sent players to the line like they do today
>17) Jordan has SIX titles and SIX Finals MVPs
The only argument you needed fag. Way to waste my time with this bullshit

Good points.
I just don't like comparing eras. Players are molded by the era they play in, so to compare the product with a different product from a different era isn't really an argument since it's hard to say which era was truly more difficult considering how different they are.

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>>76581259
You don't think Cavs have a good team?

>>76580680
MJ is just not fake. Both are asshole. Lebron just pretends to not be one.
Also Lebron is bitch made. MJ is Alfa.

>>76581325
Good team. Not as good as GS

>>76581325
>cavs have a bunch of washed up players and chuckers and kyrie who didnt show up
>its lebrons fault!
Weak bait. Heres a pity (You)

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>>76581185
>magic but better

Thank you for letting me know to disregard your opinion early

>>76581325
Sure theyre good. But the winningest team in history blew the finals then added the greatest player in the world not named lebron. Hardly an indictment on lebron james as a player

Lelbon in an all defense team 5 times!
How the fuck did that happen?

>>76581733
>I didn't watch the those Heat play.

>>76577326
>5) LeBron James is a turnover machine while Jordan took care of the ball
That's a shitty argument given the difference in position and role. The playmaking Point Forward is prone to turnovers because of their attempts to create offense. There's no way around it and you can even look at Magic's stats as a comparison. Lebron has more turnovers but less turnovers per game.

>>76581733

Lebron was an elite defender who got robbed of DPoTY once he actually learned how to play defense. It's not something he could maintain as he got older though because it was just a stamina drain.

>>76581907
This. And jordan leads in steals but that was when you could mug people for the ball. No way jordan has that many steals in todays nba

>>76577326
Everyone outside of Cleveland fans and people born prior to 2000 know Jordan is better. Its not even a debate anymore.

Why is Lebron/Jordan the only storyline that is allowed to exist in the NBA?

>>76581936
Not true but whatever

>>76581956
Because the nba is boring

>>76578542
>the Showtime Lakers, Celtics, and pistons weren't good

I understand you'refrom Cleveland and it still hurts but why lie like that?

>>76581443
He's the one who put that team together, maybe he should've asked for better players instead of hooking up his friends. GJ, GE LeBrony

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>>76581185
>LeBron is magic but better

BAIT

>>76582196

Magic will tell you the same thing.

>>76581325
All this and LeBron STILL said they needed better players. Its as simple as this. When LeBron wins he's the greatest player ever omg goat!! When he loses its why can't they put a better team around him?? Its never ever ever ever his fault. I can't imagine how shotty it must be to be his teammate.

>>76582185
Do people unironically believe shot like this?

>>76582239
But he did?? And then complained they weren't good enough like a giant bitch.

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>all these posts
>nobody mentioning LeBron needing the refs help to not get swept in this recent final at home

That's when I realized how rigged all this shit is

>>76582235
>I can't imagine how shotty it must be to be his teammate.
Yea, it must be terrible to have the best player on your team in the league.

All that shit is small time compared to Jordan's shenanigans. Only Parish was Jordan free.

>>76582235
>first player to average a triple double in the finals
>leads team in points, blocks, assists, fg%, minutes played, and rebounds
>his fault
Casuals are cancer

>>76582142
>reading comprehension

>>76582311
>nobody mentioning LeBron needing the refs help to not get swept in this recent final at home
Warriors return to relevance is centered around the refs allows them to do whatever they want. They popularized the technically illegal but not called moving screen and Draymond gets slaps on the wrist.

>>76582365
Not to mention durant was mugging people and refs didnt call anything because him fouling out would hurt rating. Gs is the better team by a mile but refs didnt help

>>76578189
But it's meaningless when he carried a team of scrubs over a bunch of other teams with scrubs. He won because the competition was awful, not because he did something great. Stick him in the West with that same team and he gets swept in the first round, if they even get to the playoffs.

>>76581362
Too bad they didn't have Jordan, maybe they would have won.

>>76580966
The only thing this proves is that the Cavs are worse than the Bulls. Everyone knows that already.

>>76582272
Yup. Highest payroll in the league, and he was still complaining.

>>76577326
Lebron has better memes, and that's all you need to be king

>>76582645
Replace lebron with jordan and they would have been swept. If you mean replace shumpert with jordan then they probably would have won ya

>>76582692
Jordan might have actually played some decent defense, because LeBron certainly wasn't.

>>76582664
Youre saying the cavs are better than GS? Thats pretty bold...

MJ would be a small shooting guard today. Probably the smallest, lightest guy on the court. Above average speed and shooter, but not the best player on a great team.

Sorry, dickriders

>>76582207
He also fucked someone with aids. Just because he was the best Pg ever and a top 3 player ever doesn't mean I have to respect his opinion or judgment. Look at shaq. Dude is a legend but he says a lot of stupid shit

>>76582725
Jordan would foul out in todays league

>>76582734
I'm saying the Cavs had the highest payroll in the league, and LeBron was integral in deciding who they signed. If they still weren't good enough then he's partially to blame.

>>76582744
>MJ would be a small shooting guard today. Probably the smallest, lightest guy on the court. Above average speed and shooter, but not the best player on a great team.
Nevermind that he was bigger and more athletic than guys like Curry, Westbrook, and Harden.

>>76582748
Or he'd force his opponents to foul out instead of settling for outside jumpers.

>>76582692
Jordan was a better scorer and defender

When jordan played point at stints (please don't make me look it up) he averaged over 8 assists a game

Jordan would have made it to the finals and would have risen to the occasion. Even if he got gassed he would still play, like his final chip against the jazz. That last 4th quarter he was exhausted but he still took over the game

>>76582748
So would everyone guarding him. What's your point?

>>76582725
What are you talking about? The dubs went on huge runs everytime lebron came out. The game 3 loss was by 5 points. Cavs were -12 in the 2 minutes lebron sat out. Golden state just has the most explosive offense in history

>>76582786
Bigger than Westbrook and Harden.

Stop posting now

>>76582801
Lebron is pass first so jordan put up more points. Id say the defense is pretty close tho

Lebron haters will say anything. Its amazing

>>76582142
I'm actually curious if you even read my post
mj didn't win shit against those teams, he had the benefit of the greatest era in basketball excusing his shitty early years and then lucked into the weakest era right when he hit his prime and was finally surrounded by enough talent to challenge for a title

>>76582890
Are you retarded. or have you never actually looked up Jordan's stats? He's 3 inches taller than Westbrook and played at a heavier weight. Harden probably is heavier because he's a bit of a fatty, but he's still shorter. Did you think Kobe was a tiny player on the court? Because he's basically the same size as Jordan, but not as fast or explosive.

>>76582902
No, it's not. Jordan was a 10 all defense player, won dpoty, and not counting his time on the wizards has 13 seasons to lebron's 14, meaning he won more accolades for his defense in less time. Lebron is only known for chase down blocks which are only possible because he turns the ball over trying to play point guard (aka hogging the ball to inflate his stats with meaningless triple doubles in losses).

If jordan wanted he could play point too, see http://www.complex.com/sports/2014/01/michael-jordan-point-guard-in-1989-posted-triple-double-10-of-11-games

>>76582959
you sound like a conspiracy nut

>>76582801
This post just made me imagine jordan trying to guard kd
He would have put up 40 a game lmao

>>76583007
what?
the 80's were historically strong and the 90's were historically weak when compared to other eras of the nba. this is just plain fact, no theory involved

>>76583045
>this is just plain fact, no theory involved
If by fact you mean purely a matter of opinion, then sure.

>>76583015
I'm pretty sure, at worst, KD's numbers would have been the same, because he already scored at will on the Cavs.

>>76583004
>Lebron is only known for chase down
You know nothing about prime Lebron. The dude played shutdown defense again the opposing team's best player and should have gotten DPoTY but was robbed and he slowly stopped playing that style because of aging and minutes.

>>76583265
He played shut down against smaller players a few times, wasn't robbed of anything, and has always been an average help defender.

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These topics are fucking stupid. There's at least 3 players with legit arguments against MJ, but so many people buy the nike hype they ignore them

>>76583309
>He played shut down against smaller players a few times
He was capable of guarding smaller players all the way up to bigger players as the Heat needed him to play like a PF/C at times. The only player he didn't really mess with was Prime Howard for obvious reasons.

So yea, you are clueless.

>>76583380
Dude, David West torched him when he played for the pacers. Lebron even tried to excuse it because he wasn't used to guarding the 4.

Did you guys know that Lebron was born in '84 but didn't graduate highschool till '03? That means he's mentally retarded and got held back a grade.

>>76582985

Kobe's real height is around 6'4" without shoes. He was every bit as strong and explosive like MJ was up until like 2009 when the injuries kept piling up.

>>76582576
It's not meaningless at all, at the end of the day he took them, and the Pistons weren't exactly a team of scrubs.

Also, it's not like that Spurs team wasn't great, they almost swept their way to the Finals, 4-1 against Utah in the conference finals. It isn't really that much of a difference.

The throw LeBron the west meme is indeed meaningless, as everyone says, the west was more talented, meaning he would probably played on a more talented team. Imagine LeBron with the Spurs, Mavs or even the Suns of that era.

>>76583449
Does Canada not have that late start thing in grade school?

>>76583717
The Pistons were older at that time and the 2004 rule changes on hand checking gimped them

>>76583761
Sounds familiar right?
Jordan doesn't start getting out of his conference until the good teams fall off and then faces mediocre to good western champs
Lebron doesn't start getting out of his conference until the good teams fall off and then starts facing good to all-time great western champs

I wonder why their finals records are so different

>>76583883
DELTE THIS
t. Nike

>>76583883
>Dallas
>geriatric spurs
>only faces great western champs
>discounts the super sonics and jazz

The lengths lebron fans will go to. Funny how militant all his fans are now that he got his 5th loss

>>76583959
>good
mavs, thunder
>to all time great
spurs x3, warriors x3

>>76584012
>good
Suns, blazers

>to all time great
Showtime Lakers (don't even say they're old when the geriatric spurs were even older), jazz, sonics

>>76584037
And please don't try saying the west was weak back then. The jazz and sonics had to go through a west featuring themselves, the Lakers with shaq and kobe (starting 96), the hakeem led rockets, and the twin tower spurs among other teams.

>>76584037
magic had full blown aids by the time those finals happen, the 2013 and 2014 spurs had some of the greatest supporting casts of all time. By then the big 3 aren't hard carrying the team, they're just the backbone

the jazz were a literal 2 man team

>>76584037
To elaborate, I'd count the blazers, jazz, sonic and aging lakers as great teams bit all-time great like the warriors are undeniably and the spurs are arguably

>>76584197
>bit
*but not

>>76584150
Read the post directly above yours please. Discounting the jazz as a two man team while jerking off to the spurs supporting cast is ironic to say the least. As for magic, he was averaging over 40 minutes a game that post season, putting up 12.6 assists per game and 22 ppg. He had two triple doubles that series, including a 20 assist game. James worthy was pitching in 24 points a game that same post season and Perkins was contributing 17 points and over .400 3 point shooting while Scott and divac each added about 15 points each

>>76584331
C'mon man the 13/14 spurs would decimate the 97/98 jazz

>>76584407
I think it would be a lot closer than you think. Looking at playoff per 36 stats both teams have a similar amount of players scoring double digits. The jazz didn't rely on rotation as much but that's partly because they had two players averaging a double double, both parts of the greatest pick and roll in history. The spurs would likely still win, but it would be close

Guys, >redpill me on how rigged the NBA is

>>76578035
>jordan puts up 30/5/6 while lebron goes 28/7/7 career wise, contributing more

just to put something into perspective. But no player in NBA history averaged 30 points a game for his career. And Jordan not only averaged 30 per game, but that includes his post retirement 2 year stint with the bullets, where he came off the bench for 17-20 minutes a night while trying to boost attendance for the team playing on bum knees while out of shape, and still pulling down 24 points a game.

>>76579529
bird had a bad back for the last 2 seasons of that comparison which dragged his numbers down badly. wait till bronbron's knees go and his last 2 or 3 seasons are spent playing like shit before you do a career comparison between them. That or cut out larry's post back injury years.

>>76577326
>Jordan played in a far superior era
How do you figure? Expansion teams out the ass and basically had the same amount of teams to draw from a much smaller talent pool

>>76577326
It's kind of stupid to compare them at this point. Lebron still has a few years left in his career. Once he is done then we can compare them properly.

>>76583004
>hogging the ball
Lebron is literally pass first. You dont watch basketball so your opinion is discarded

>>76587977
you're not very keen that Lebron plays an offense that consolidates all the assists to him, right?

>>76588582

Because none of his teams have anyone that can push the ball and run the offense like he can. Both the Cavs and the Heat experimented with it but both are noticeably worse when everything isn't running through Lebron.

I think his best alternatives were Wade and Mo Williams.

It's important to ignore all things in favor of rings. Which is why Charles Haley is the GOAT in the NFL.

>>76582365
LeCrab constantly travels, and initiates contact practically every time he drives, yet the refs seldom call offensive fouls on him.

>>76587654
Wilt averaged 30 over his career

basketball is a leaf sport

>jordan is a better scorer than KD
doubtful

>jordan is a better overall player than lebron
doubtful

but here's the contradiction

>jordan is better than kobe at being kobe
so does this mean he could actually win at least as much as kobe in the modern era?

what the fuck made kobe and jordan win more than lebron and durant when they were clearly lesser players at least in some aspect?

>>76594697
Jordan was certainly a better scorer than Durant. Jordan won like 10 scoring titles, averaged 30ppg for his career which includes 2 garbage years with the wizards, and had a complete offensive game. He is also a better player than lebron, being both a better scorer and defender

And Magic was better than them both. What's new?

>>76594697
>>jordan is a better scorer than KD
>doubtful
Well that's because you're literally retarded, Jordan led the league in scoring ten times.

>>76595723
ok now put jordan in kobe's era. how much better is he really?

now put kd in jordan's era. kd would literally rape everybody. he's actually unguardable.

>>76583482
I mean, you can't trust the listed heights, that's true, but there's pictures of these guys standing together. Jordan actually appears to have an inch or so on Kobe, and Kobe has at least two or three inches on Westbrook and an inch or two on Harden. Point being, in no way would Jordan usually be "the smallest, lightest player on the court." I don't know where this impression came from that Jordan was a manlet.

Kobe was strong and explosive, no doubt, but I still don't think he was quite where Jordan was.

>>76589982
As much as I dislike LeBron, this statement could apply to dozens of players in the league.

>>76589982

Defenders are also allowed to get more physical with Lebron than any other player not named Curry or Cousins.

It's funny really. I think refs have a hard time telling is Curry is flopping or not since he probably puts up no real resistance to it.

>>76589982
>he thinks initiating contact is a foul

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>>76596460
>kd getting it done with hand checking

He'd be a poor man's gervin