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>>76561615
>Lebron's competition in the East now
>Jordan's competition in the East then

WOW REALLY MAKES U THINK

D-.... damn...................................................................

3-5

nba fans are the dumbest sports fans in the world

>Jordan played in the East when it was good
>LeBron played in the East when it was bad

Huh...really makes you think...

>>76561615
Why is everything about stats in Burger sports?

>>76561615
no more 6 for 6 or 3 for 8

all that matters is 6 to 3

>>76561683
>Jordan played in the east when it was good

Nigga u srs?

>>76561687
>Wins/Losses are "stats"

As if people don't shit on Messi for getting shut out with the national team

>>76561687
no emotions allowed

>>76561615
Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. Getting to the finals doesn't mean much compared to winning.

>>76561615
>despite this Jordan has twice the rings LeBron has
Really makes you think.

>>76561615
The Eastern Conference was stronger in Jordan's day, while the West was weaker. The Eastern Conference is weaker now, while the West is stronger. The only real exceptions are the Rockets in Jordan's time and the Celtics in Lebron's. It's retarded to compare the two based on this.

>>76561687
Basketball only has 5 players on each team, so it's very easy for one player to take over the game. Because of this, stats are a very big deal.

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>>76561615

fucking Lebron didnt even make the playoffs the first 4 seasons playing in the weakest division by win % in the entire league

he never beat a team above 590% except for the Pistons in 07 then got stomped in the finals

he never beat another team over 590

teams with 610 couldnt even make the 10th seed in the West

in 2009 the Celtics KG was hurt before the playoffs

THEY BEAT THE CELTICS IN THE 2ND ROUND

then he couldnt win but 2 games against the fucking Magic who got stomped by the Lakers the next week

and 1 of those wins was the fucking half court lucky game winner

then he went to Miami and had the worst performance ever with a 13 PER a full 10 PER points under Wade

they beat an expansion franchise who's only been to the finals 1 time and quickly dismantled afterwards because of horrible GM and coaching decisions on what they think a great team is (a ball hogging Derrick Rose wanna be) which has never won in the NBA ever in that formula

needed a miracle to beat the Spurs in 7 games

they came back and stomped him in 5

they had excuses in series 1 vs GSW while getting stomped

those same exact excuses then went against GSW the next year but still barely won

both teams met healthy a 3rd time and they got stomped out the building

>>76561728
did not read a word of this

>>76561615
>>76561728

also you're counting the 2 seasons he played with the Wizards at 40 years old and missed the playoffs against his record

if he didnt get hurt he was about to take them to the playoffs that year tho

fucking lebron has had media complaining about his minutes since he was fucking 25 years old when he first went to miami to apologize for his performances

he was 28/29 in fucking 2014 during the cramps an bullshit while old ass spurs were running up an down the court

>>76561683
East was shit when Jordan played and when it was good he never won

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>mfw lebroid was a yankees fan growing up and now all of a sudden he's all muh hometown hero

lul

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>>76561615
DID ANYONE SAY 'TSU'?

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>>76561764
The Knicks and Cavs were top teams and better than anything LeBrick has faced in the East his entire playoff career

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>>76561806

Why do cuckhoop fags care so much about a player from 1993?

You faggots probably never watched him outside of YouTube clips

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his famed "carrying the team to the 2007 finals"

was him showing up to play in games 3-4

after piss poor in the first 2

and needing Gibson to play lights out in game 6

>>76561642
>Lebron never had competition in the east
Early-Mid 00's Pistons.
00's and early 10's Celtics.

>>76561687
Probably to do with boreball being the first sport to dominate the landscape. Had a less stat-intensive sport dominated first we'd probably worship muh numbers a little less.

>>76561786
>90's Cavs were good and better than anything Lebrick has faced in the East his entire playoff career
But Lebron has faced Eastern teams that actually went on to win the finals.

>>76561887

the pistons were a sub 600 team when he beat them and he played like shit that series >>76561864

he beat the fucking celtics in the 2nd round of 2009

your fucking excuses are done >>76561728

>>76561615

also look at dudes fucking turnover numbers in this finals and life time

also look at that fucking free throw percentage in the fucking 60s

thats fucking Shaq territory

Shaq was a 60 in the finals when he tried

also look at all the chucks he threw up

yeah he scored 41 on fucking a ton of chucks

>>76561908
>averaged ~25/9/9
>he played like shit
This desperation.

>he beat the celtics in the 2nd round of 2009
What's your point?

>>76561946
Scoring has never been Lebron's best asset. His selling point is that he's consistently in the top 5-10% in every stat.

>>76561950

>he beat the celtics in the 2nd round of 2009
>What's your point?

do i need one?

you're the one who brought up the celtics as being some unstoppable obstacle

i didnt see the magic in your list

you dumb ass youtube watchers dont even fucking remember 2009

>>76561990

>i just want to sit in the background and not be asked to do antyhing

>PASSED JORDAN (needed over 500 more minutes) IN POINTS YEAH HE DA BUESST

>passed him in finals games lost 2x over

>HERES A LIST OF EXCUSES WHY THOSE LOSSES SHOULDNT COUNT THO

>BUT WERE GONNA USE JORDANS WIZARD PLAYOFF MISSES AGAINST HIM IN OUR GRAPHS THO :^3

>>76561992
I didn't say they were an unstoppable obstacle, you idiot. I said they were a great fucking team, which they were.

>if Lebron beats them, they can't be a great, elite team, because Lebron beat them
Then you go on to say he can't beat good teams in the Eastern playoffs playoffs, completely oblivious to that circular as fuck logic.

Get the fuck out of here. You're a goddamn retard.

>>76562012
I never said he's the best because he passed Jordan in playoff scoring.
I never said his playoff loses don't count. I think everyone excuses him for 2007, but he's squarely to blame for 2011. I don't excuse him for 2014 either, but I don't see how you can fault him for 2015 (considering how injured his team was) and this year (considering how well he played individually and the team he was facing).

I never used Jordan's time with the Wizards as an argument.

I'm not a stereotype. Reply to the arguments I'm making, or don't reply to me at all.

>>76562049

you seem to not understand logic

either the celtics are the reason lebron never won a ring or he isnt

in fucking 2009 KG was hurt before the playoffs started

the fucking cavs beat the celtics in the 2nd round

and yet the team who faced teh Lakers in the finals was no the fucking cavs

and nike had to keep running their stupid lebron trash talking puppets while fucking Kobe won another chip literally during the 5 games of the finals

I'm convinced people that genuinely participate in these GOAT arguments are legit retards.

On top of the fact that they're from different generations, Jordan and LeBron are much different players.

If you think you can 100% convince the other side with these "objective" cases (stat based, yet irrelevant due to different contexts), you should just kill yourself now.

Kareem is the GOAT anyway, dipshits... and you absolutely CANNOT prove otherwise.

>>76562080
You clearly don't understand what I'm saying.

I never said the Celtics are a reason Lebron never won a ring. I said the Celtics were a good enough team to dissolve the "there's no competition in the east" argument.

Stop attributing things I haven't said to me and my argument. I'm not even saying Lebron is better than Jordan. I'm just saying Lebron has faced competition in the east.

Also it's really hard to take anything you've to say seriously when you type like a retard and bring up random shit like Kobe and nike's trash talking puppet. You hate Lebron and it's become apparent you're not even trying to be objective.

So yeah I'm done with you.

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>>76561908
Are you trying to say a perpetual 50+ win #1 in the east #1 in defense Pistons team starting billups, rip, prince, sheed, cwebb wasn't any good? you replace any one of those players with bron and they win the finals every year for 10 straight seasons.

>>76561615
Lebron is the GOAT. Better all around player than MJ. Advanced stats even say so. No one player can win a title without an elite supporting cast. MJ's first 3 are legit, second Bulls three peat were ludicrously stacked teams.

>>76562875
>muh stats
Who gives a shit. So many players I'd rather watch. For example: MJ, Iverson, Kobe, Shaq

>>76562105
>Kareem is the GOAT anyway
/thread

>>76561687

They are too dumb to understand the sports themselves.. So they fake knowledge by quoting meaningless stats. Look at the threads on /sp/ for american sports. They never discuss gameplay or tactics. It's just memes, stats and scores.

No one cares how many times you made it. It's all about how many times you won. What the fuck does LeBron wa not, a participation award lmao this ain't little league senpai

>>76561728
>didn't make playoffs first 4 yrs
It was 2, and the 2nd year he missed by one game, and obviously the Cavs were able to draft him first because they sucked, so he gets a complete pass for that. Since the very first thing out of your mouth is wrong, I'm not reading the rest of that shit.

>>76561786
Number of finals all these supposed tough challengers in the east won from 1991-2003: 0

Your confuses deep with actual title contenders. The east had a bunch of good teams, but no real sustained elite competition

>>76563164

ya ur rite dude xD.

bill russell goat

/thred

Lebron fans are still trying to argue that he's better? How many more times does he have to lose?

>>76563424

There's no amount of shit Lebabs won't eat to "prove" he's the GOAT.

Eyyy, more of this dumb shit.

>>76561722
Bullshit. The East was strong in the 80's with the Celtics, Bucks, 76ers, Hawks, and Pistons and Jordan didn't win shit. It was only after all those teams fell off that he started to win. When Jordan was winning Titles the east was a shell of it's former self.

>>76561615
we also don't hear about LeBron being banned from the league for gambling on his own games and pretending he chose to play fucking baseball. lol
And LeBron made something of himself despite a horrible father, whereas Jordan's father was a responsible hard-working family man who inspired his sports career ... who was then killed ▓▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓

>>76561615
>getting to the finals is as good as winning the finals
LOL only a bronsexual would come up with this logic

Lebron fans would serve themselves better by not comparing to Jordan and maybe start small with comparing to Magic

>muh emotion, muh tactics like parking the bus and flopping like faggots

Why are foreigners such faggots?

>>76563667
No it just means Jordan was toothless until Pippen and Rodman showed up. Jordan spent most of his early career bombing out of the playoffs early until he got some help.

>>76563726
Same could be said about LeBron going to the Heat. Your argument just went to shit on the first post.

>>76562889
A lot of people would rather watch J-Will drop dimes off elbow passes, it doesn't mean you'd rather have him than Tim Duncan who was boring as fuck but a phenomenal player.

>>76563752
>doesn't act like a nigger
>boring

Goes to show where the demographics are.

>>76563752
Duncan on the court wasn't really boring though, that was just an ESPN forced idea.

>>76562967
Surely you aren't stupid enough to think that yuro threads are about strategy rather than memes and shitposting?

>>76563744

except young lebron lead a literal WHO cavs to the finals. jordan did not

your argument was shit from the beginning nigger

>>76563744

Pat Riley did a good job keeping Lebron in check off the court.

If Lebron had his way in Miami those first two years. Spoelstra would've been fired and he would've brought in a tool of a coach to run the show.

>>76563744
Didn't Lebron go the Finals with a team of shit in his rookie season?

>these posts
>again
>now complete with pic celebrating KD's accomplishments just because he usurped "LeBum"
Get a new hobby.

>>76561823
Also a very good post.

>>76563593
>▓▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓

this

>>76561823
Believe it or not, but this site has been around for almost 15 years. I know that's longer than you've been alive, but not everybody is still some loser in his junior year of high school.

>>76563744
Lebron took that shit ass 2007 cavs team to the finals. moron

>>76561642
>Bird's Celtics
>Isaiah's Pistons

>>76564454
>>76561642
>MUH 80's
how you gon claim them niggas when jordan never beat them? fuck outta here nigga

>>76561615
>Celtics
>Bad Boy Pistons
>total of 5 titles between those teams during their run


Name a team remotely as good as those teams that Lebron has faced in the East? Mind you those 2 teams are considered 2 if the best teams in NBA history.

>>76563726
He won his first 3 titles without Rodman. Young fags seem to think Jordan played his entire career with Rodman. Jordan played 3 seasons with Rodman, who btw was in his late 30's when he finally joined the Bulls. That wasn't even prime Rodman.

Jordan made 36 great commercials, Lebron's made only 2.

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>>76563726
>toothless
kek
>until Pippen and Rodman
He won the first three without Rodman, grasshopper. Horace Grant was probably better than Rodman anyway. Credit needs to be given to Phil. Even when they had the talent in 88-89 they still only won like 47 games. It's a cute meme to say Phil did nothing but he's unironically one of the greatest coaches of all time.

>>76565106
>Grant was better rhan Rodman

Let's calm down now. Grant was my favorite Bull as a kid, but he is no Rodman. Horace was a better scorer, Rodman was a better defender and a far better rebounder. Grant was a solid player, Rodman is a Hall of Famer.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TWVPhBnyZ5s

They're still trying to compare Jordan and Lebron? Just let it go. Lebron will never be Jordan. Jordan has had his career praised for 30+ years now and people have been looking for the next Jordan for just as long. No matter what Lebron does he'll never live up to the Jordan hype. Lebron is Lebron and there's nothing wrong with that

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>>76565160
friendly reminder penny, shaq and grant knocked mj's bulls the fuck out the very year he left chicago

>>76565035
that was prime rodman. and that was a 3xhof + criminally underrated grant + sharpshooter stacked team before rodman.

>>76561615
Even if bronny wins a ring next year and thats a big if that would make it 6-7 to 4-9

>>76561615
Moving goalposts. Face it, he's a colossal failure on the biggest stage.

>>76561902
Call it boreball again and I'll beat your ass all the way to Canada you unpatriotic fuck.

>>76565081
True GOAT stats right here. Also, Space Jam. His most iconic commercial for WB should be mentioned.

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>>76565745

Imagine Lebron actually having to take hits from that 80s Pistons team and not being able to cry about it and have officials bail him out. Nowadays you can't even breathe on the guy.

>>76566015
conversely imagine those tranny bad boys getting railroaded by a 6'9 300 lb (he'd easily bulk to this) lebron james

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>>76566163
Assuming LBJ goes through his (((growth spurt)))

>>76566207
you do realize he was 6'8 240lb 40yr old balding male straight outta hs, don't you?

>>76566163
Nigga can't even take a little trash talk without whining, as evidenced by last year. He'd get 187ed by them and his shittty flops would've been completely ignored.

>>76566207
Roidddddddddddddddddds

>>76566368
he whines because it works. if the game is tough guy ball he'd infinitely better because he's built like an nfl linebacker

>>76566393
He whines because he's a bitch.

>>76566417
you go with that, kid.

>>76566393
he'd be injured and on the shelf more often

kek look at how much of a diva he was over "cramps," aka "oh shit this HGH side effect is occurring at an inopportune time"

>>76566430
On court Jordan, Pistons, whoever would have beat him easily with trash talk alone because he'd hurt big Bron's fee fees. Add hits and he'd show how eggshell he really is.

>>76566475
and yet he's been injures far less than anyone like him so no he'd get injured less. instead of taking contact he'd be dishing it, able to protect himself better.

>Jordan had to face the Bad Boy Pistons and the Bird Celtics

>LeBron hasn't had any competition in the East since 2009-2010

>>76566504
laimbeers knees would have exploded 10 seasons earlier keeping up with him and mj would snap like a twig getting bodied by him

Memes make me feel better about my hero losing :)

>>76566558
Oww my feelings - Lebron. RIP year one.

>>76564408

>took

you mean he played like shit in games 1 and 2

played like a hobbled broken finger 2010 kobe with a low 20 PER in games 3 and 4

while also needing bobbie gibson to play lights out

especially in the close out game 6

>>76563884

nigga he didnt make the fucking playoffs until his 4th season

niggas dont even know his fucking history

jordan played in the playoffs every season since his rookie year

only 2 years he missed was when he came back at 40 on the wizards and got hurt, they were on pace for 8th seed

>>76562469

the pistons wouldnt even make the playoffs in the west during those years you dumbass

the fucking celtics had a 600% win record and "dominated" teh east, half the fucking teams in the west had 600 and didnt even make the playoffs

during the entire time on the cavs lebron beat just 1 team with a record above 590 before he skipped town.

and needed boobie gibson to play lights out in 2 of the last 3 in the series

>>76566537
chicago bulls with drose in mvp form, the celtics were still a top team one season and the magic were a top team one season.

>>76562349

>the 2009 puppets campaign from preseason expecting Lebron to get back to the finals in the East and face Kobe who just went to the finals the year before and was played all trhoughout the season and into the playoffs isnt something to bring up

>and when he had a golden ticket with KG getting hurt and beat the celtics then couldnt beat the literally orlando whos with the biggest joke center of this era who never won anywhere and is a clown literally joking in game 5 of a fucking sweep the next week vs the lakers

>thats not a narrative about lebron to bring up

>>76566695
i'm sorry but if there are a bunch of 60 win teams that only means the rest of the teams in the west are pure garbage just like your trash logic

>>76566695
boobie gibson is a literal nobody. are you retarded?

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>>76561728
y u do dis maaan reeeeeeeeeee

>>76566739

except its not, they were all great

the fucking cavs division had teh worst win percentage every year while he was in cleveland

these are facts

and you play your division 4 times each fucking team each year, then you play the worst teams in the other eastern divisions 3 times each year then you play the west 2 times a year

and you get 60+ games a year, best record and you then make the playoffs where you beat up on 1-2 teams in the first 2 rounds who most of the time DIDNT EVEN HAVE A WINNING RECORD

I REPEAT

TEAMS WITH FUCKING 400% MADE THE 8TH SEED IN THE EAST MORE THAN ONE TIME

then you get fucking stomped by the first team above 600 each year and ppl wonder why

again, i did this research all during the time

LEBRON JAMES BEAT ONE TEAM DURING HIS ENTIRE TIME ON THE CAVS WITH A WIN PERCENTAGE ABOVE 590 IN THE PLAYOFFS

AND HE DIDNT EVEN SHOW UP IN GAMES 1-2

AND NEEDED BOOBIE GIBSON TO PLAY LIGHTS OUT FROM 3PT IN 2 OF THE LAST 3 GAMES (who also outscored him in game 6)

they then got swept

and next year the first team in the playoffs with a 600 record was the celtics and was the jersey toss game

this is a known fact for years, lebrick got off on 1 and done nights vs teams, in a 7 game series vs an actual team he never won

all his fucking stats he padded in the regular season and in the first 3 rounds most years vs teams with no better than a 0.5 in front of their win percentage dont mean shit

cause aint none of those franchises ever got better or were ever good to begin with during that time

dude has 1 legit championship and its against a franchise....expansion franchise who never went back again

nigga literally has 3 sweeps on record

2007
2014+1
2017+1

and needed 7 games in 2 of his 3 wins vs legit teams and a ton of coincidences or lucky shit to happen which wasnt because of his play, it was cause of someone else making the shot

>>76566819

>a literal nobody who had to play lights out and out score lebron in the final game to get them over a 590 team and then swept the very next week

almost like the story of lebrons career

just like all those nobodies who showed up in game 4 and had to have a fucking NBA 2K 99 OVR edited roster to beat someone online

LeBron lost familia, it's time to let it go. Maybe this time he can build a better team around himself and get a real coach, but probably not.

>>76566985
Someone should fire Legm then. Oh, wait...

>>76566938
>you play your division 4 times each fucking team each year
Yes and there are 82 fucking games in a season. And there are only 4 teams per division. That means the overwhelming vast majority of wins from a 50 win team will come outside their division.
>make the playoffs where you beat up on 1-2 teams in the first 2 rounds who most of the time DIDNT EVEN HAVE A WINNING RECORD
There's more parity in the East than West and there are only two good teams in the West. If the West was so good how come only the Spurs and Lakers won almost every year? Because the rest of the West was complete and utter dogshit, beating up on bad fucking West teams, straight trash, embarrassing you even consider them competitive because of muh record.
>then you get fucking stomped by the first team above 600 each year and ppl wonder why
Because the Spurs, Lakers and Celtics were dynasty tier superteams. Nobody wonders why. Only a complete fucking retard like you holds anyone in contempt for losing to these utterly ridiculously stacked teams.
>LEBRON JAMES BEAT ONE TEAM DURING HIS ENTIRE TIME ON THE CAVS WITH A WIN PERCENTAGE ABOVE 590 IN THE PLAYOFFS
This is just restating the above. The East had more parity so there were less teams above your cherry picked metric.
>AND NEEDED BOOBIE GIBSON
He made Boobie Gibson, a player who would be out of the NBA before his rookie season ended without him.

You're just another completely delusional LeBron hater, spouting cherry picked metrics as defined like you, claiming they mean anything, in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

LeBron single handed derailed one of the greatest teams ever assembled, the Pistons, stacked as fuck with five all star starters and a stacked bench, all by himself with a god awful team and then proceeded to make the finals 7 straight seasons as soon as he had even a remotely decent team and did so against some of the greats including MVP Drose Bulls and Celtics dynasty.

>>76567148
>4 teams per division
+ the one you play, obviously

>>76561728
4 seasons? Bruh LeBron was in the finals in this 4th season.

>>76565919
bruh I watched space jam high a couple of weeks ago, and god damn was that shit good

LeBron has been so good, ownerships have been for the past few seasons beginning to rebuild, not even bothering to challenge LeBron. That's forfeiting and it's better than beating some assembled team. If the best and brightest in the industry are looking at what LeBron is doing a few years ago and realizing their only hope is to begin a five year rebuild, that means he's better than any team they could have built. If LeBron were playing chess, this would be leCheckm8. The West has begun doing the same thing with the Warriors if you haven't noticed. Lakers being the most obvious.

LeBron is so good that when he inevitably fails he has fanboy janitors cleaning up his messes with every excuse and angle in the book for free.

>>76567148

do you remember the nuggets of the 2000s?

that team would have swept the cavs any year

LeBron haters are so good that when he inevitably fails he has janitors shitposting about his messes with every angle in the book for free

>>76567513
yeah they were unstoppable. any team james posey is on is gonna win.

>>76567560
I can even see an attempt in this one. I can't give it a 3*-5 or a more accurate 1-7. Ask Silver for help next time.

>>76561687
because the only thing you can quantify in soccer is how many dicks you suck

>>76567560
I can't even see an attempt in this one. I can't give it a 3*-5 or a more accurate 1-7. Ask Silver for help next time.

OFFICIAL ALL TIME GOAT LIST

1. Bill Russell
2. Larry Bird
3. John Havlicek
4. Bob Cousy
5. Kevin McHale
6. Tommy Heinsohn
7. Kevin Garnett
8. JoJo White
9. Paul Pierce
10. Bill Walton

Prove me wrong

>>76565167
This is what happens when you invite Jordan comparisons before you even sniff the league. You become one of the best of your era but you're still chopped liver.

>>76567856
>paul pierce

lol

>>76562105
>Kareem is the GOAT anyway
>6 Rings
>2 FMVPs
>GOAT

>>76561764
>East was shit when Jordan played and when it was good he never won
The difference is when Jordan made it out of the East the Bulls beat the Western Conference champion every time. LeBron's been to the Finals on a number of occasions purely because of how weak the East is compared to the West, and the results proved it.

>>76571703
If the West has so much better teams than he'd win even easier if he were in the West because whichever team had him would be that much better.

>>76567358
>LeBron has been so good, ownerships have been for the past few seasons beginning to rebuild, not even bothering to challenge LeBron.
Yet a team without LeBron has won two of the past three titles and will likely win next season's title.

>>76571742
Apparently LeBron didn't think so or he would have gone to a team out west instead of choosing an eastern conference team both times he was a free agent.

>>76563593
This isn't about who's the better human being, because there's no way in hell either one would be very high up on that list.

>>76571781
On that same token, if the West is so good, why didn't their greats who didn't make the finals come East for a free trip?

>>76571746
>cherry picking this hard
A team with Lebron has won half of the past six finals.
And you completely missed the point. Good job retard.

>>76571861
Not everyone's a ring chaser. Not everyone controls the GM so their team can have the highest payroll in the game.

>>76571954
No, every player wants to win. And they won before your payroll excuse.

I told you that LeBrony fans only get more delusional when their king loses

>>76567856
Not sure we need to.

>>76561772
Worse yet, he was a Cowboys fan too

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