Do they win without him?
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>>76561588
Better question\
Did they win with him?
>>76561679
Even better question
Did he win with them?
>>76561962
But did we as viewers win with him?
No
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>>76562122
If you were to say that the viewers win with the team, and therefore the team wins with the viewers, but the team also wins with him, can we really win without him?