He is one of the greatest QB ever. However the reason he has

Is it the volume of your cell phone?

>leaf in charge of phoneposting
>volume bar is on
kek

Blount? He literally disappeared in both Owls

>>76458813
>>76458826
You are really funny. Do they have stand up up where you're from?
>>76458835
Who cares about one game, Blount edelman gronk Hightower, and some others have always been consistent thanks to bellichecks system, Tom Brady is a big reason but not the only reason they won, therefore he cannot be considered the goat off wins

>>76458936
So who do you consider GOAT then? Sure as fuck not Montana if you want to take away individual success thanks to having competent teammates

>>76458968
I may be biased but to me the goat is not someone who neccesarily did the best on paper (wins, passes, rush etc.), to me the goat is the person who did the best they could with what they have and also posses elite skill. To me it's Dan Marino, but not many would agree with me. Tom Brady did excellent with what he has but I'm just not sure if he himself is an elite player, im probably wrong. I just can't get out of my head that another elite QB in his position would have been successful too. I mean look at how bellicheck brings in no names and undrafted players and makes them juggernauts, it's amazing. I can't really name any other coach who does that consistently like him.

>>76458785
you mean to tell me that someone needed the help from a team in a team sport? what a shock!!?!?!?

>>76459334
>>76461853
>>76458936
Read u schmuck

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what would you say if someone showed you this pic?

>>76462371
>implying Giselle would sully herself with Fumbles

>>76458936
Blount disappeared the entire playoffs in both Owls except for that game against Indy which isn't that impressive having in mind that Jonas Gray ran for over 200 yards on them that season.

Gronk missed half of last season.

Hightower doesn't play offense.

None of them were in the first 3 Owls.

Dan Marino won jack shit with a HoF coach in Dan Shula for almost 20 years.

You are retarded.

>>76462371
Go seek help

>>76463660
Dan Marino was playing with sub par defense you dummy, you need defense to win, it's essential. What would a coach have to do with lackluster players, a coach can only do so much.

How many games have new England one because of stellar defensive plays (sacks, turnovers, intercepriins) and fluke catches and drops, many surrendipitous moments. All those players you discredit in some moments have for the majority of the time contributed heavily to their success or end result. It doesn't matter if it's even those mentioned, take any year and bellicheck made some no name a force of nature or at least excellent. Stick to soccer olé

>>76463836
And that's just the no names without even the bona fide stars

>>76458785

I agree. Don't think he could've done it without the love and support of his wife.

>>76463836
So you discredit Brady because he had good defenses. Sounds legit.

How many games have New England won because of Brady? How many games have New England lost because of their defense or fluke catches and drops? They lost two Owls because of that, mind you.

I didn't discredit any player, I stated facts. Blount was a non factor in both playoff runs, Gronk was injured last year, High doesn't play offense and Brady has three Owls without any of them. But yeah, it's all Belichick and any other QB would have 5 Owls with him.

Stick to whatever sport they play in Canada.

>>76463870
Which bona fide stars has Brady had on offense? 1 year of Dillon, 2 of Moss and just 4 full years of Gronk including his rookie season (he missed a good chunk of the other 3). Name another one that's not a short white receiver that wouldn't play half as good with any other QB.

>>76458785

>However the reason he has five is in the pic related.

Letting his black teammates bang his wife if they play well?

I guess thats pretty good motivation

>>76462371
Will he ever learn?

>>76464029
Branch, brown, Moss (even tho he didn't win with him) , but mostly players bellicheck cultivated and formed. The Patriots proved over and over that they can win with out Brady because it's bellicheck steering the ship, there is no winning without his plays and tactics, he's a football genius, Tom is bright too but he's not an overlord. I was saying that there were also bona fide stars not many tho, that just goes to show the power of bellichecks system.

>>76464029
Sorry I was rude earlier forgive me, and are you saying edelman and other short white recivers are only good if Brady throws to them?

>>76464433
Branch and Brown weren't stars. They were okay but they weren't even top 20 receivers in their prime.

Belichick is a mad genius but what proof there is he can take any QB and make him elite? 2008, with one of the easiest schedules I can remember and one of the best teams in NFL history, the team didn't get to the playoffs (at 11-5 yeah, again with a D-II schedule) and this year they only played 4 games without him, the two most difficult with a QB that will be starting next year for some team at a hefty price (and would be starting this year if NE didn't ask for the first born son of everyone who asked for him). Both Brady and Belichick make each other better, and Brady's the primary reason the "system" (which isn't really a system, they've played everything from a ground and pound, to a spread air raid, to a no huddle quick pass offense and everything in between) they can go by without elite talent at offense.

>>76464475
Edelman and Welker would be good players, but no one would think of them as stars is what I'm saying.

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>>76462371

Tom is a known cuck.

>>76463836
>defenses win championships meme
They can't be a tragedy but the only consistent thing in winning a super bowl in the last 25 yrs is good QB play. The only two exceptions(Ravens 2000 Trent Dilfer and Broncos 2015 Peyton Manning) it was only overcome by having historically great defenses. Those are arguably the two greatest defenses of all time.

The only thing you absolutely need is a great qb or good one playing great during the season(like Brad Johnson in 2002)

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Fuck off Manning bros

>>76464714
This is why I don't really like getting into debates like this becuase they just boil down to hypothetical realities. It is obvious that Brady and Bellicheck are a one two punch, but what others like myself think is that is becuase of the system bill has set in place. This could mean two things, that bill can develop any QB in time with a standard skill set into a star or that if you actually put a QB with an elite skill set ex: Rodgers you would get something more indomitable. Again we will never know. The fact that this sport is so crucially two ways, meaning you don't have wins with only defense or offense. And we can confidently say that New England has won bowls with the help of horrid play calls and unbelievable flukes but that happens in sports so I'll grant them that. Brady is a very gifted quarterback, extremely intelligent, persistent, and accurate passer. But I can find this in other guys. I'm not confident to take him over someone else who has more promise. That's the brilliance in bellicheck, he's confident enough because he sees what others don't. He basically crafts his own game. He is one of those rare people that can gamble like that and still have made a calculated guess. I would like to ask Bill in all honesty if he had the choice to go back in time and take Rodgers or Brady (this is just hypothetical as an example) or another person, just from what he saw and knew then, would he have still took Brady. Becuase I'm sure he did what he could with what he had. Then again maybe that's always been his philosophy, to mold the underdog

>>76462371
Why you showing me a pic of a 2 and an 8?

>>76464891
We can go back and forth all day, at the end of the day, I just don't think, as of right now, he's the greatest. I think many would have flourished in his circumstance. And a lot of times luck plays a big part in sports recognition, just the nature of the randomness of play. You don't win games without preserving your lead. There is no point arguing about offense without defense, they're worthless independently

Blount sucked complete ass in Super Bowl 49 and played the worst game of this career in Super Bowl 51.. there's a reason they sent his ass packing this offseason

Danny fucking Amendola is the most clutch player in these games, right next to edelman

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>>76458785
>not liking the pic

>>76466097
>one game
please leave southern american

>>76466145
i dont have insta donald

>>76466097
He's still a all time Patriot, had Patriots hall of fame potential. Easily the best runningback we've had since Dillon.

>>76466201
>the best runningback we've had since Dillon
The reason for that being New England hasn't had any talent at that position since Dillon.

>>76466232
how many rb are better than blount

>>76466267
Kaepernick

>>76466201
BJGE was better than blount

>>76466267
It's still unknown how they'll perform but I prefer the Gillislee and Burkhead combo rather than Blount.

Not every RB is good for the same things but I'd say there are no less than 15 players who are better, and I'm not counting rookies.

>>76466364
>doesn't name any
i trust bill over you no offense

>>76459334
The best is Sammy Baugh if we re going off skilled qbs. Dude led the league in touchdowns, interceptions, and punt yardage. He played offense and defense. Inb4 some millenial or Boston fan says older players don't count

>>76466383
If you trust Bill you'll agree with my view of the Gillislee-Burkhead duo being better than Blount, especially given that both signed for more money.

The best about Blount wasn't that he was good, but that he was cheap. He was let go in 2014 and he was let go this year because he wanted to earn more than he's worth.

Anyway, if you want a list of better RBs than him, in no particular order:

>LeSean McCoy
>Jay Ajayi
>LeVeon Bell
>Lamar Miller
>DeMarco Murray
>Ezekiel Elliott
>Jordan Howard
>Devonta Freeman
>David Johnson

I think we can all agree on those 9 names. Then, players I think are better but someone can try to debate it:

>Bilal Powell
>Isaiah Crowell
>CJ Anderson
>Melvin Gordon
>Mark Ingram
>Todd Gurley
>Carlos Hyde

And if you like old and washed up dudes, AP and Lynch.

That's not including scat backs as Sproles, White, Coleman...

>>76466456
well technically thats a different era, its MUCH harder to play now
>inb4 geezer says kids dont know jack

>>76466558
anyone of those teams would take lagrette blount in a minute and hed posssibly start. money doesnt mean anything, bill uses players how he pleases, like you siad earlier depending on the scenario some excel better at the time. money is just to shut players up or get them to stay.

stats also only display what happened, not what could happen. Brady likes to throw the ball. he throws more than he runs the ball. SOme teams rely on rushes more than others.

>>76466707
Literally none of those teams would take Blount. Proof: he signed for $1.25M, if he was good teams would've been fighting to bring him and he had to wait until mid May to sign for barely any more than minimum salary. Meanwhile, both Burkhead, Gillislee and White signed for more than Blount with the Patriots. That's 3 running backs that Belichick deemed more worth paying for than Blount.

And New England was one of the most balanced teams this season. Blount racked up almost 300 carries, 2nd in the league behind only Elliott. They ran a lot all year long, at 3.9 per carry and taking almost every chance at the goal line. Oh, and he's useless in the passing game.

Literally his best asset is/was being cheap so the team didn't have to spend many resources at the position.

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>>76464815
You do know that was an artistic fashion ad in a womens mag and those dudes were professional models and homos too?

You think she fuks every person, male, female, animal, product, shoe, child, purse, etc she touches or takes a fashion pic wirh????

You been watching way too much porn my nigga. Life aint a porn movie. By your logic Brady has fuked all his teammates since they all have hugged or carried him.

>>76466803
Yea I they want to invest in the young guys instead, that's bill speciality forming them when they are ripe. Other teams don't need blunt since they have thier own or they can't afford keeping him. He's coming off his best season. The money and contract stuff I don't really pay attention too because it has no indication of what will come out of it, but that's just me.

>>76467018
That's actually a really cute photo aha

>>76458785
Btw the pic is supposed to highlight his team, not just Blount

>obviously

>>76467741
Okay, I'm going to break it down for you.

>Patriots didn't commit any money to the running back position in the last years
>Blount was playing for just a little more than minimum salary
>less than league average, year after year
>the one time he did get more money was WHEN HE WAS LET GO TO PITTSBURGH, so they deemed him NOT WORTHY of spending resources on him
>has career year
>team signs THREE running backs for prices much higher both in money and in % of cap spent than Blount
>namely, Gillislee is earning THIS VERY YEAR more money than Blount in his entire Patriots career
>Burkhead is getting just about 200k less
>White's new contract makes him ON AVERAGE one million MORE than Blount in his Patriots tenure

It's simple, the Patriots valued Blount because he was cheap as fuck. The two times he's wanted money, he's been let go.

>Other teams don't need blunt since they have thier own or they can't afford keeping him

You literally said that any team would take him and make him start ffs. And his new contract is like 500k more than minimum salary for a vet or maybe even less, he was cheap af because no team wanted to actually spend money on him.

And the contract and money stuff indicate the expectations the team has in you. If nobody wants to pay you, nobody wants you, and if teams are throwing dollar bills at you, they want you and expect you to perform like a super star.

Here's a list of backs that signed BEFORE him and for more money:

>Latavius Murray (Vikings)
>Eddie Lacy (Seahawks)
>Adrian Peterson (Saints)
>Mike Gillislee (Patriots)
>Rex Burkhead (Patriots)
>Danny Woodhead (Ravens)
>Jamaal Charles (Broncos)
>Marshawn Lynch (Raiders)
>Lance Dunbar (literally who?!) (Rams)

If Blount was as good as you say and any team would want him, these ones had him cheaper than all of these players. And all of these teams obviously wanted a running back, as evidenced by the fact they actually signed one.

Really it's easy.

James White supremacy is the only reason Brady has that 5th ring.

>>76458785

>Leaf in charge of taking a screenshot
>Hits volume bar first

:|

>>76470123
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i said hed possibly start. fine ill give you that hes valued much lower than other QB's, i still dont think money indicates worth. example being every player that nobody would want initially but then bill morphs them into a super star. i dont pay attention to finance, so ill give you that there. im not sure how this ended focusing on blount. the picture was meant to show that its a team of players surrounding Brady that helped him achieve his 5 ring status. all these players immensely succeeding from bills system.

>>76471171
*i meant RB