is it the most insanely difficult trophy to win?

Even Spain won one of those.

only because it's every four years, that doesn't mean it has any quality on it. overrated trophy by south america and memes. even the charity shield has more merit.

Only great footballing nations win it. You don't see memes like Chile, Portugal, Colombia, Mexico, USA, Belgium, Greece and Denmark winning it

>>76257119
after how many tries? do you remember that time you poached fucking Puskas + Di Stefano but failed anyway?

>>76257093
you only need win like 5 or 6 games to get it. whats so hard about that?

>>76257155
>Only great footballing nations win it. You don't see memes like Chile, Portugal, Colombia, Mexico, USA, Belgium, Greece and Denmark winning it
Since when are we a meme and not the greatest powerhouse in this world?

There are bunch of discontinued trophies that are impossible to win these days.

Maybe not the single most difficult but certainly the most difficult to win back to back

>>76257178
they've resorted to diego costa now lmao

>Spaniards being special snowflakes about his only, refballed, WC

wew

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the QUESTION should be phrased as "is it the most insanely difficult trophy to win if you're not italy, germany, brazil or argentina?"

>>76257093
It's this thread again.

Yes. Yes it is.

>>76257093
No, we have five.

>>76257093
>most insanely difficult
needs more words to describe it 2bqh honest

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You need a whole system and a processes, so yeah, not every country is calpable of taking the heat, its not enough with shiny players you need a team.

>>76257093
Nah. Especially with all the corruption in FIFA.

We don't want it anyways.

oh boy here come germany and brasil talking shit and waving their dicks
we almost had a real discussion going
abandon thread

>>76257295
>A
>FUCKING
>LEAF

Yes, it's the most sought after trophy in the world

>>76257153
This.
Tournaments require you to be good for a handful of games and one bad refereeing decision can destroy any chance you have of progressing. A league (a real league, not the Champions League) is harder to win because you have to be consistently good and have to play everyone. You can't rely some meme team knocking out "the big boys".
If it was held annually it would be as worthless as the League Cup.

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>>76257319
>arsepained Englishman that can't accept that his team is shit and will never win the World Cup again
wew

>>76257319
cuck

>>76257208
lel you all got inflated ego since that fluke victory last year

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>>76257093
Yes, the Krauts are the solid fav for 2018 at 5/1,
convert that to percentages and it's around 17%.
Those odds are not that far wrong but clueless fags here will tell you that Germany mustwinlol.

tl;dr yes it's fucking hard to win the WC, a lot has to go right even if you're the best side

>>76257319
This is true but somehow tournaments like WC and CL are more prestigious even though leagues are harder and more demanding.

It didnt look very difficult to win when Germany BTFO of Brazil. Looked more like taking candy from a baby. For some international jokes (like England or the US) it's insanely hard to win but that's like saying it's insanely hard for an amateur boxer to win the heavyweight title. If you're a good team and you get hot at the right time, it's not that hard to take it.

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>>76257466
>>76257319

>british opinions on winning the world cup

Inb4

>USA

You're in the same boat as us. And no, your byzantine history doesn't really matter at this point.

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>>76257477
He's ignoring the fact that the pressure rises with each game, by the semis it's total hell, the entire country stops. How many good teams and individuals have we seen sperg out? .

Only good countries have won it so far. The furthest a meme country has made it is semifinals (Turkey and Korea in 2002). And then you have to go back 50 years to find Sweden or something in a final.

>>76257093
scripted? probably that
non scripted? anything not related to FIFA or IOC

>>76257642
>scripted
Great meme.

>>76257155
>You don't see memes like Chile, Portugal, Colombia, Mexico, USA, Belgium, Greece and Denmark winning it

I hate to tell you this, but England is a meme

>>76257230
kek

Seems like France is due for a WC doesn't it?

I'm going to put money on France winning it and Russia to the quarterfinals (corrupt country hosting a corrupt organization's tournament)

>>76257093
Without massive corruption and refball? Yes. Apart from that, no, just look at England.

>>76257696
England was not a meme in the 60s

>>76257719
On paper they are.

>>76257740
They pretty much bought that wc so I'd say yes.

>>76257719
They deserve nothing.

>>76257213
Underrated.

Its basically impossible for half the competitors to win it so ya

>>76257719
>France winning anything with the current muslim overlords running FIFA
They're betting on Neymar and Brazil.

>>76257178
Don't forget having to rely on the most boring style of football to ever be employed

>>76257178
Di Stefano never participated in a World Cup

>>76257517

>your byzantine history

That include sending our puritan dregs to birth your fucking nation?

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>>76257119
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

GREAT WORLD CHAMPIONS TIER 1
>Brazil
>Germany
>Italy
>Argentina
>France

TIER 2
>Spain
>Uruguay

TIER 3
>England

Should have won it
>Netherlands

>>76257768
I bought France was already one of the most mudslime Euro nations though, why wouldn't they be allowed to win over all the racist Slav ones

>>76257878
>Argentina
>great
'No.'

>>76257899
>made it to 5 finals, spawning from 1930 to 2014
>won 2 in epic fashion scoring 3 goals in the finals
>had some of the greatest players in all decades (Di Stefano, Maradona, Messi)

>>76257914
Not him but you have the same amount of wcs as Uruguay, so why is Urugay one tier above? not fair senpai

>>76257893
Slav countries aren't winning anything either.

>>76257933
because Uruguay stopped being relevant in 1950

>>76257878
>should have won it
>no hungary

>>76257936
Desu Poland needs a more complete team but at least they've proven they can develop some talent at all

Russia is definitely gonna rig their way into quarterfinals in all likelihood

>>76257954
You're right. My bad. I apologize to the magyars

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>>76257093
please stop making these threads
they make me sad

>>76257946
That's not true, they reached semifinal 2 editions ago, while you have been stuck in qfs for ages (with the exception of last edition, ofc).

>>76257982
reached semifinal and got blown the fuck out

it was korea/turkey tier

>>76257878
thanks portubro

>>76257946
>cups won by argentina since 1994 = 0
>cups won by uruguay since 1994 = 2

>>76257991
well, if you think you deserve to be one tier above just because you won 2 silver medals, who am I to tell the opposite.

>>76258041
Because we always have competitive teams. Uruguay has no chance in 2018. Argentina could win it.

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>>76258051
>competitive team
>Argentina

>>76257991
so? your 1978 was pure thief and 1986 let`s not talk about "la mano de dios"

>>76258024
>[random measure] in [random interval]

World Cups in the past 45 years
Argentina 2
Brazil 2
Uruguay 0

>>76258051
>could

>>76257183
this desu

Yes you 'qualify'. But you have contenders that get to beat up the likes of Luxemburg, Macedonia and Haiti.

>>76258067
All 6 goals vs. Germany and Netherlands were legit

We lost in 1990 because of a dive, admitted by the referee later on

>>76257183
>>76258074
>faggots that discount the psychological challenges of a World Cup
Thank God Americans don't care about football.

>>76258051
dude...if you lose next game in Montevideo you will not have chance in 2018 because you will not even particpate.
You basically had to cry like a faggot and cheat your way in FIFA to make Messi play against us the next match.

>>76258093
>if you lose next game in Montevideo
>Messi starting
lool

>>76258082
>argentine talking complaining refball

lol

>>76258101
Remember when you lost 3-0 to us when Messi started?

Messi chokes on the international level. Every time.

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>>76258082

>>76258101
Uruguay rekt everyone at their home except we, and just because they were without Suarez.

I'd be afraid, my friend. I'd be very afraid.

>>76258104
Argentina only got refball-help in a quarter final game vs. England... which was revenge for 1966 when England refballed Argentina in a quarter final

Argentina is the only country in history to lose a final because of refball (a fake penalty)

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>>76258117
>this fucking hermano

>>76258101
>if you lose next game in Minerão
>Messi starting
>get rekt by 3-0

>>76258110
Remember when that was the only game Argentina didn't win when Messi started?

>>76258124
Name another instance of refball favoring Argentina in a world cup besides 1986 quarter final

>>76258101
>remember when messi started in 2011 argentina`s copa america and you get eliminated against us?
we still drink your tears from that cup

>>76258127
I wanted to play Brazil in the World Cup, but you got trashed 7-1

it will be the same as the last time when Caniggia eliminated you, can't wait for 2018

>>76258140
>2018

need to qualify first la'

>>76258132
Small teams celebrate their victories against Argentina forever. Like Colombia still taking about 1995, Peru still talking about 1970, so you have Uruguay and Chile talking about 2011 and 2015-16. But time goes on and Argentina is still competitive and the other teams keep clinging to the past.

>>76258140
At least we'll be there, hermano.

>>76258149
>so you have Uruguay and Chile talking about 2011 and 2015-16

looooooooooool

Friendly reminder that los hermanos volvieron a su casa sin la taza.

>>76258163
Friendly reminder that Sampaoli is going to win in 2018 easily

>>76258163
Kek. You can't be more sín titulo than that.

>>76258169
Again, you won't even be there.

>tfw Argentina is so big that literally all the other CONMEBOL nations ally against it
every thread

Serious question: how is this situation for los hermanos if they lose against Uruguay? Again, genuine question, no ironically.

>>76258185
>implying
That's like saying everyone gangs on Tottenham because they're big. They're not, they're just that disgusting. Same goes for you.

>>76258178
>y-y-you won't even qualify
Argentina has a real coach now and Messi can play all 4 games (3 of them are fucking easy too)

Guaranteed +12 points

>>76258185
>content being a mere gatekeeper

let's say you're a world class player and a phenomenon for your country, you have max four chances to do it

e.g. ages 20 24 28 32

so many outside factors can happen and stop you achieving it

>>76258193
Highly unlikely that they'll qualify, I think. I'd have to look up more specific information to be sure, but
>effort

>>76258208
>3-0

>>76258199
Only salty South Americans gang up against us, probably because historically they lose more against us than they win, so the few times when they win they never shut up about it.

The rest of the world keeps talking about 7-1

>>76258193
We qualify anyway because the other 3 games are easy

>>76258229
They can keep talking about the 7-1 all they want, we laugh alongside them. No self-respecting Brazilian gets defensive about the 7-1, for it was an absolute joke.

You, on the other hand, get super defensive whenever even the slightest blemish on your ''''''''team'''''''' gets brought up. Once again,
>3-0

>>76258149
dude, we trash you in every final we play since ever
olympics of 28
copa america 16,17,20, 23,24,26,35,42,59,67
world cup 1930
we trashed you in every cup you made in your home like 2011 or 1987

>>76258225
>muh eliminatoria
see you in Russia, it'll be a repeat of the last WC game Argentina-Brazil had

>>76258241
Venezuela is easy, Peru is bloody difficult right now (if you look on the last 8 games, Peru is the 2nd nt with more points) and Ecuador away is a guarantee defeat since you already lost at home.

Not that easy it seems.

>>76258261
I won't see you in Russia, because you won't qualify.

champions league is harder for sure

you could argue euros is harder but i dont wanna get into that

in the world cup, there are weak links in every team. look at teams like argentina/germany, top teams but have weaknesses, wheras teams like real barca bayern have no weaknesses comparable to those. there are some great players stuck on shit national teams, but in CL every good player is at a good team so there are more top players to go around. also these players play and train with eachother every day, know their tactics inside out and have better managers

>>76258259
>28
>16,17,20, 23,24,26,35,42,59,67
>30

lmao, Uruguayans actually memorize every single victory against Argentina

Meanwhile the actual statistics say that Argentina is like 30 games ahead of Uruguay head-to-head

Lol no. Major cycling trophies (giro, tour de France, Olympics) are much more fucking difficult than this meme tournament

>>76258185
that is not because you are big, is because you are insufferable assholes

>>76258259
lol argentina eterna freguesa

>>76258267
>argentina
>losing with Messi starting
kek, 90% of the games won

>>76258261
Just pray to not be a final senpai, last 3 times you saw what happened. If yout didn't, grab a look:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDj79lKwP9I&t=546s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5hfcMjIAoY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WPSAaQRHMo&t=261s

>>76258297
>3-0

>>76258280

I'm surprised you pointed that out instead of every final being before my parents were even born

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>89 - 59
little uruguay thinks they are big

>>76258297
hello there, repechaje

>>76258280
do you know that exist something called wikipedia?

>>76258304
kek, you can't be more cuck than that

i love SA banter desu.

feel bad for argentina, good team but happen to have the GOAT footballing nation as their rivals. should have just picked someone shit like peru as a rival like we did with scotland

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>>76258259
>28
>16,17,20, 23,24,26,35,42,59,67
>30

And they said Uruguay clings to the past!

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>>76258313
Shut the fuck up, Hector. I don't even want to know what these stats would look like if we hadn't been cucked by Felipão and Dunga, I think I might've actually felt bad for you.

>>76258349
or >we did with the neverlands

>>76258278
While I agree with most of your post, WC is played only every 4 years. That means that if you fail to qualify (like us in 1990 and 1994), no matter how great your players are (prime Papin, Cantona and Ginola anyone), you just wasted a generation and a shot at it.

>>76258225
if they lose against us, they will get 6 points (locals against venezuela and peru) probably they will reach their last game against ecuador in quito needing the 3 points for the 5th place and leave ecuador out.
If venezuela or peru made some crazy shit and take a draw they will go directly to sucide watch.

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>>76257285

there is no cup

>>76258394
>If venezuela or peru made some crazy shit and take a draw
>If
Because you're expecting los hermanos to NOT choke under pressure? Come on, Gabriel.

>>76258394
Reminding that Peru is unironically doing their best right now.

>>76258367
we did not play more finals against them after the 67, but we won 4 more copas america after 1967 and argentina only 2.

>>76258411
>>76258427
well I expect the argies to take out their true nature (gallinas) and lose some of those games but right now is an "if"

>>76257850
Never ever Lands

>>76258477
I personally can't wait to watch a World Cup without Argentinians. We could go out in the group stages and I'd consider it a great World Cup just for that.

Does south america want messi to win the WC, or would prefer him to retire having never won something outside of barcelona?

>>76258522
I like Messi but I hope he never, ever wins a World Cup. Happy Argentinians would bring me misery.

>>76258522
Messi seems like a good lad...but I cheered when Germany score in 2014 final against Argentina

>>76258522
retiring without ever been a WC and living in the shadow of Dieguito Maradona...

>>76258522
I'm completely indiferent, but at one point this drought must end. They are 27 years sín titulo.

>>76258569
I haven't cheered so hard at a football match before or since the 2014 final. Fuck me, seeing Brazil win is good, but nothing compares to the joy of seeing Argentina lose.

>>76258590
They'll reach 40 (forty) years sin la taza, mark my words.

>>76257155
America will win it though. Not in Russia, not in Qatar but they will win it in the next 30 years.

>>76258590
2018 is a none
2019 Copa america is in brazil is another none
2022 withour messi is a none
2023 icopa america in ecuador for their 30 consecutive years? maybe

>>76258650
If they ever start to seriously care about football, then yeah, no doubt they'll become a powerhouse. Too bad I just don't see that ever happening. Americans are too attached to their ''''''''''sports.''''''''''

>>76258650
don't delude yourself

>>76257093
It should be held every 5 years instead of 4. If the majority of players realistically only had one chance at playing in a WC it would mean so much more.

OFFICIAL SOUTH AMERICAN NATIONAL TEAM RELEVANCY POWER RANKINGS
chile
uruguay
brazil
POWER GAP
colombia
POWER GAP
argentina

>2014
2 European teams in the semis
European team wins the final and 3rd-place match
>2010
3 European teams in the semifinals
2 European teams in the final
European team also won the 3rd place match
>2006
4 European teams in the semifinal
6 European teams in the quarterfinals
>2002
2 European teams in the semifinals
would be 3 if not refball favoring homeside vs Italy&Spain
European team won the 3rd place match

I am actually not trying to state which the best confederation is in this post, because I know that many non Europeans believe the spots are unfair. I wanna ask even my fellow Europeans the same.
How exaclty is the Euro anything lower with 11/16 teams reaching the semis in the last 4 world cups being European. It's literally just an extra match and a group stage with some filler teams of Asia-Africa-Oceania-Northern America proving my point.

>>76258650
people is saying that since Pele`s Cosmos time, but is like >>76258687 say
They need to make football one of their meme sports first

>>76258051
>Uruguay has no chance in 2018
What did he mean by this?

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Objectively, this one: the F1 World Drivers Champion Trophy.

You have to be regular through the whole year, in around 20 events in which the smallest single mistake can leave you out or kill you. And you have to deal with mechanical issues beyond you. Drivers have to endure forces as high as 6g every lap in every race and lose as much as 3kg every race out of sweat. While at the same time you have to focus on developing next season's car. Even winning the most races a season isn't an assured Championship.

This makes drivers like Michael Schumacher even more impressive.

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>>76257584
Argentina 2014 was a fucking meme, anon

Think about it, the likes of Ricky Alvarez and Sergio "I can barely make saves without 10 defenders covering me" Romero have 2nd place medals due to that team.

>>76258687
you really believe this?


America is a giant country, with a lot of immigrants from Italy, Spain, and Latin America
and they have 2 good players.
Uruguay have 30 people, and they won 2 world cups, and yes it was Mesozoic Era, but they managed to reach a Semi final recently.

It is not about caring, it is in the DNA, They will never win a World Cup, caring or not

>>76258772
>Driving
>Relevant to /sp/
Pick one.

>>76258772
>This makes drivers like Michael Schumacher even more impressive.
I know, avoid dying on a car crash and end up a vegetable skiiing.

>>76258278
CL is of a higher quality but any world class player is infinitely more likely to win a CL than a World Cup.

Like someone said before, a player gets to play in max 3, maybe 4 (5 with god tier luck) World Cups. One off-day in the KO phase and you gotta wait another 4 years.

>>76258753
He was saying that Urugay is currently qualifying while Argentina is going to REPECHAJE.

>>76258779
>it is in the DNA
You'll excuse me if I don't subscribe to the determinism meme. They could be good if they cared, they just don't.

>>76258798
Nah, a lot of players go to 4 wcs.

>>76258687
>>76258746
Surely, maybe they said that in the days Pele and other stars went to play in America, but nowadays is when you actually see soccer as a relevant sport in schools and colleges, there are sell outs in almost every MLS match, and the country has finally invested millions in soccer training centers. And it was impressive the amount of american fans in the last WC. Maybe they didn't understand shit of what was happening (which made the kinda cute lol, like jap or korean fans), but they were there, caring about their team and supporting. There was an actual youth talent serch system under Klinsmann and they had a decent run at the 2014 WC. It is pretty clear to me they will eventually win it.

>>76258693
>nicaragua

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>tfw will be atleast 2022 before >we can win the world cup

>>76258789
>implying it isn't

>>76258833
And you'll bottle it then too.

>>76258820
you think 51 in the entire span of history is a lot?

>>76258830
>Guatemala
you can't talk shit either

>>76258805
It is not about logic, Hungary had a brilliant team, reached 2 finals and lost to an inferior side.

Do you think Hungary will win a world cup in 30 years?50 years?70 years?

Mexico cares about football, have a big country, a reasonable league, and they will never win it.Just like they never won a Libertadores.

It is about DNA, you can't buy that, money will not win a world cup

>>76258830
its possible they will win it one day, but i still dont think they understand how to be good. they push athleres because theyre 6'6, or are on steroids etc, and not on technique. their best players came through foreign teams youth systems and they dont let their players play in the MLS until they are 22, so their development is super slow unless they leave

once in a while they make a donovan or a pulisic, but you need a whole team of those level of guys to win the wc.

even useless countries like sweden can make a larsson or ibrahimovic sometimes, one or two good players doesnt mean much

>>76258854
wat?

>>76258845

n-no we wont

>>76258881
>It is about DNA
Once again, I'll remind you that determinism is a joke. Stop going to /pol/.

>>76258881
Mexico gets fucked by their FA

a lot of national teams do, it has nothing to do with muh DNA. Hell, not too long ago, Brazil was a joke thanks to Felipao, and Dunga's efforts in 2014-2016.

>>76258892
51 players who've been to 4 world cups

>>76258908
I'll agree with the hermano. It's not about fucking DNA, it's poorly run FAs.

>>76258881
i dont think its DNA like genes, but its no luck that brazil have been good since the start etc. i think its more that every person there loves the sport, and starts kicking a ball when they are babies. and are taught by people who have seen/lived the best players in the world. its in the DNA of the country not the people

its easy to become good at football when everyone else in the country is a genius at it, american kids cant learn about being good because every previous generation was shit at it so if youre taught by shit youre gonna become shit

>tfw 2018 most likely the last chance for Messi to win the WC.

>>76258874
We're infinitely better than any country in Central America and you know it. Don't try to enter a dick size contest if you don't have a dick to compete with.

>>76257878
I would put argentina as tier 2,

>>76258933
>brazil have been good since the start
No we haven't. Before 1954 our press used to mock our national team for daring to think we could rub shoulders with the Europeans.

>>76258937
And he won't even be there.

>>76258942
you get assraped by Honduras, El Salvador and Costa Rica, don't pretend that you're hot shit

>>76258960
ok but nobody here really counts the world cup before the 60s, and even then it was a total meme before the 70s. if you asked the people around here when did the world cup start i doubt they would name anything before 50s

what i mean is if youre a kid and what to learn say a rabona, you could ask any random hue and they could probably teach you, in america if you wanted to learn maybe 5 people in the country can do one. its just harder when the infrastructure isnt here

>>76258522
I as a South American (Florida) would love to.

>>76258882
I understand your point, but they are having progess on that. This last few years they had some decent players with Donovan, Howard, Depsey, Jermaine Jones, etc.

Before that they had some others not as good between 94 and 2002 like Cobi Jones, Brian McBride, etc.

and before that they didn't have shit. America was absolutely non existant in the 80s, 70s, 60s.... I literally have no idea how they got to 3rd place in the 30s to be honest.

My point is, maybe they'll have some 4-5 good players in Qatar, maybe in 2026 they will have 7 good players, in 2030 they will get to the semi finals and in 2034 they might actually win it, or at least be recognized as a superpower. Who knows?

I just don't think they want to stay as a mediocre nation forever in one of the very few aspects they aren't a superpower, specially with all the growing popularity football is having nowadays in america

>>76258908
>>76258922
>Poorly run FA
Like every South American FA?
CBF is one of the most corrupt organizations in Brazil, the president can't even board a plane without being arrested, yet we still have 5 WCs.

>>76258960
In 1930 a lot of players in Italy were Brazillian and Argentinian
We are the only team to be in every WC ever.
Yeah the "press" said we were bad, but the press is also a joke

.>>76258898
kill yourself, it is not about philosophy, it is not about logic, it is not math.

>>76258937
don´t worry there were a lot of great players that never won a WC...altough much fewer that never won anything with their senior National Team.

That happens in a team effort sport, you can be the best of the world but if your teammates do not rise to the challenge you are fucked.

>>76258983
I wasn't talking about football m8, that's the thing when your country is shit in every aspect, you can't realize there are other things. Too bad you're only relatively relevant at baseball and literally nobody gives a shit about it

>>76258650
>Guatemala

More like GuateBUENA!!!

>>76258983
damn argentina is mad

>>76258881
>>76259023
Brazil was shit between 1970 and 1994, and shit again from 2007 till today

>>76259023
>Like every South American FA?
Don't mistake corruption for incompetence at currying football talent. There's a reason for the abundance of Brazilian in European football. The CBF, for all its corruption, is good at growing great players. The same can't be said of other FAs.

>it is not about philosophy
Oh fucking forget it. (You).

>>76259078
>Brazil was shit between 1970 and 1994

the best NT in pure talent was in that period that, dumb central american cunt

>>76259078
>tp
>tf

>>76259053
we are talking about football, and even then at least i can get outside my home and don't fear being murdered, stupid indio

>>76259066
That's Nicaragua, you public school drop-out.

>>76259094
And still were shit in the most important international tournament

>>76259111
>we wut blanco n sheeit
Calm down Argentina, you got so mad your blue got saturated.

>>76259111
>at least i can get outside my home
>indio
kek, thanks for letting me know you're just trolling

>>76259113
>getting baited this hard

>>76258911
that's a lot dude

ill never understand how mexico is so bad. they have similar (natives raped by Mediterraneans) DNA as south america, have money, huge country 3 times as populous as argentina, good climate, its their only sport, free trade of performance enhancing drugs everything going for it yet not only are they bad, they've never been good

>>76259148
Again, shitty FA running the show. Just look at the effect the CBFs incompetence's had on us since 2002.

>>76259134
nice non argument, midget

>>76259041
It's Higuain's fault, I suppose.

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>started watching football between the 2006-2010 WC
>loved watching Robben play, was the reason I got into football
>watch the 2010 world cup
>root for the netherlands
>they make it to the final
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5pKj1ttZ6Q
>then https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNNP8Km9caE
>tfw Robben will never lift the world cup after scoring the winning goal

It still haunts me to this day lads, I can't look back on those moments without getting infuriated. Holland deserved it, Robben and Sneijder deserved it. Puyol deserved a red

>>76259148
cartel keep lopping off all the good prospects' heads probably

>>76259182
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNNP8Km9caE
>crying for a penalty

NO ERA

>>76259220
kek

>>76259078
1994 ironically worse (except 1990 one) than the national teams before but still won it.
1990 For what I remember Brazil did not deserved to lose with argentina, but that is how it is the WC
1986 Brazil was great with socrates, careca, falcao, zico, etc
1982 Brazil was great, they deserved the WC as a cruyff netherlands deserved in their time
1978 Brazil did not went to the final because goal difference with argentina
1970 Brazil got out of the final because cruyff netherlands

>>76259182
>Holland
What country is this?

>>76259093
>The CBF, for all its corruption, is good at growing great players

you are joking right?
You really should search for more information before going on a crusade in a pinoy board to justify your rational, and deep pondered thoughts in
CBF offers no money, or any economical stability, to maintain a good youth program.
Agents can prey like vultures on any talent.
And even in Professional level they fuck up, we lost 2 Great players because CBF was too dumb to treat the situation with less pride

Or fucking up chances to win a World Cup because they have to call players who are nike whores

>>76259155
And the incompetence wasn't before 2002?lmao
having retards coach the team, and before that being a Military Regime branch.
Or the lack of competence suddenly stopped in 2016, because Tite magically fixed everything wrong with our system?

>>76259232
*1974 not 1970

>>76259093
CBF has nothing to do with growing players, wtf are you on m8?

>>76257093

hardest trophy is the English Championship (second division)

While subhuman monkeys argue about 11 man in a field. I live in the best nation on earth. How's the favela life, Tyrone Maradona?

>>76259305
lel

>>76259305
>best nation
>Switzerland
Good bait.

>>76259148
they have a psychological problem too.
They always think they are better than what they really are so they tend to underestimate the rival, not take the needed precautions and lose.

>>76259148
You possibly can't understand what's it like to live in a country with economical problems. I bet with so many people interested in football in England even the government supports the FA and funds it.
Saddly many things like friendly matches that a team can travel to play (or pay the away team to come and play) , proper scouting of native players in foreign countries , top technology facilities are things hard for many FA countries to keep up with the economically fine countries.
Not to mention that when the economics are bad, FA is most usually corrupt , taking money from agents or teams so that they pick their players "based on talent and form". You can't build a decent team like that, there's always speaking about it in the locker rooms and obviously some players who deserved to get called up instead might turn their backs to the team later.

An incident like this happened at a friendly Turkey vs Greece. There was an Greek-Australian guy who played for Greece and then chose Australia. Something happened and Greece lost a 0-0 away draw with turkey 3-0. The player had interest from a Chinese team and, being called up to your NT and playing to it actually makes your worth a lot higher. This country is corrupt af.

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>>76259305
Nice, good for you!

>>76259331
You are aware that apart from possibly Football culture Switzerland is better at everything else than Brazil, rite?
You know there is real life too rite?

>>76259356
How is their sopa de macaco?

>>76259356
Being better than Brazil doesn't make it 'the best nation in the world.'

And of course it's better than Brazil. The only places that aren't are the war-torn shitholes in the Middle East and Africa.

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>"The most difficult to win trophy? It is Lionel Messi!"

- Cristiano Ronaldo dos Santos Aveiro

>>76259366
uma delicia!

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>>76259305
pretty good

>>76259371
Which country would you consider to be the best in the world, fellow primate?

>>76259333
>lose 0-7
>esto no es la copa de oro, señores!

>>76259399
Norway.

>>76259421
Have you been there?

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>>76259408

>>76259399
isnt a loaf of bread 9001 dollary doos in switzerland?

also isnt it full of albanian/romanian gyppos?

also isnt it cold as fuck?

still way better than here though

>>76259428
Yep. Lovely place. Would easily live there if I spoke the language.

>>76259408
lmao

>>76259399
any country with a rectangular flag

>>76259399

switzerland

>>76259399
france

>>76259337
Sure i know it is hard in Europe, when you have a decent FA and you compare to yours.

but in South America every FA is like that, every one, it is built in.

and we are better than Mexico, Greece, Russia.

>>76259436
>isnt a loaf of bread 9001 dollary doos in switzerland?
Pretty much, but the Swiss can afford it.

>also isnt it full of albanian/romanian gyppos?
Yugos and gyppos, yeah. They flock to the wealth of others.

>also isnt it cold as fuck?
No.

>>76259421
Extremely high taxes and very harsh winters, police state and getting more Muslims than they should, beautiful in the summer though. Good try though

>>76259467
A fellow patrician, come home hans man.

>>76259481
>accentuate the negative
(You).

>>76258650
i will screencap this, see you in 30 years

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>>76259471
Friendliest rivalry in football

>>76259499
Come visit

>>76259511
You think central americans live that long?

>>76259481
you got no sea
you are irrelevant in every sport,slightly relevant in footy
i guess these are ur only netagives.

>>76259525
Ha can't afford it and if he could, he'd get the Oprah Winfrey treatment.

>>76259534
I love your beaches and overall your people are great.

>>76259511
>>76259533
>Brazil
>Romania
>implying anyone of you will live that long

>>76259511
ok
>>76259533
>brazil making a joke about third world countries
kek

>>76259558
i actually have cancer so i am not worried

>>76259558
I won't die before 50, Franz.

>>76259551
if you knew them from a greek's aspect you d understand they re ripping you off every way they can. but country is so cheap that it's still cheaper for you.
example:Greeks get a beer for 3 , a tourist in a beach bar where receipts are hard to find, might get the same beer for 5.
we deserve the crisis

I unironically would say the best country in the world to live would be in (western) America making 150k. Had such great holidays there.

>>76258285
This

>>76259558
>implying 4chan will live that long

>>76259608
>we deserve the crisis

why, it seems like you are smarter than mountain jews

>>76259630
A population where honesty and trust are honored and common makes countries a much better place my mammal brother.

>>76258993
>Miamifag detected

>>76259630
>why
Because they don't pay taxes with the money they jew from tourists and then wonder why the state can't pay pensions (which were higher than in most actually functioning European nations).

no lie this is a 100% post i don't feel like living in Switzerland , norway, countries like that.

i mean they probably are great countries but i just like Brazil, and living in a big city with strange shit happening, it makes every weekend feel like a catharsis you know, specially when there is a good game going on

>>76259630
everyone is selfish here.
people voted based on which of their friends would get them a regular job for the country if they voted for the X party.
That happened for 30 years.
Add the fact that we were in debt since the country's creation in 1800 for making railways and in the 1900s for making roads.
Also add the fact that EU experimented on us with some measures they forced us to accept in order to get inside EU which ruined our economics even more(change of coin from drachma to Euro favored Europe and brought us disadvantage) and VOILA. Greece paying debt meme. So everytime i see a german crying out about how they pay me, wish they knew how politics work.

>>76259630
kek i have a story about that. my grandad is swiss, born there and everything. one day he left to go into business with a greek, and the greek stole all the money and fled. they never found him

they are both smart in different ways. they are smart at taking your money illegally, whereas the swiss are smart at taking your money legalls

>>76259690
>this much bullshit
Our country is shit. Stop rationalising it into being enjoyable.

>>76259690
You re not used to it friend to live in a country where the capitalist system actually works. To a country where crime rate is low and people actually go to their jobs. It seems pretty exotic for your relaity.

>>76259690
Does it not bother you to see extreme poverty? I'd feel guilty constantly seeing people work for a 100 dollars a month.

>>76259692
i dont blame the greeks for the EU sucking dick, i blame the germans/french for letting all the poor countries join. no offence to greece but it doesnt offer the EU much, same with a lot of the poor countries they let in, it could have been good if theyd just kept it to 10 or so elite rich countries etc

>>76259679
You are aware of the rules that applied to Greece for joining EU by a mostly german then comittee? Like closing half of our factories and selling taxless produce like Oranges and Oils? Your media is literally saying a one sided story.

>>76259700
You should go back there. i dont know if 1/4 is enough for them to let you live there but if you have relatives and stuff there i would go, better than living here. youd have to ask a swiss if they would take that though or if you need to be atleast 1/2

>>76259747
They could have accepted poor nations without Economical advantage for EU. If they wanted a United Europe as the name sais they could have allowed many countries to just join for Geopolitical, Humane and Culture reasons. With so many tourists from Europe who no longer need passport and coin change it's a big advantage for the common folk who wants to vacate in countries like Croatia,Greece,Portugal.

>>76259733
>>76259733
>Does it not bother you to see extreme poverty? I'd feel guilty constantly seeing people work for a 100 dollars a month.

I do what i can to help, if i have money i buy some food for anyone who needs.I am not Jesus but if i can help i help.

i don't live in a poor city tho, maybe it is harder for other brazillians on this thread, but for me life is pretty good.And i enjoy south america, i love the people around here.
>>76259705
sorry if that is your experience, i am not defending Brazil, i couldn't care less about nationalism , i just enjoy it here.

>>76259713
>To a country where crime rate is low and people actually go to their jobs

but that is no fun is it?jk
we are all products of our environment, right, and i am glad i was born here, because it is who i am today.

>>76259834
You are the reason this country will never grow. You just accept it 'for what it is.' The whole of South America remains a shithole because of attitudes like that.

And before you even start, no, I don't live in a particularly poor area of Brazil. I live in São Paulo, the only civilised place in this shithole. Life is good, but that doesn't blind me to how dire this country is.

This thread is no longer about sports.

SHUT
IT
DOWN

>>76259901
yeah whatever

>>76259911
Precisely, politics and thoughts are no fun! Buy the newest Barcelona jersey and focus your life on your closest team! Let others do the thinking for you.

>>76260033
Flag checks out.

>>76260033
Let (((others))) do the thinking for you.

>>76260033

your post and your flag are confusing me

>>76260163
Ironic

>>76257477
>leagues are harder and more demanding than the Champions League.
LEL

>>76258650
To win a WC you must have
>enough youth playing football
>a solid formation system for teen players
>a strong football culture, passion and knowledge
>a solid, competitive pro league where your young players can learn
>at least 3 very big clubs which concentrate national talents and are serious in international competitions
USA lacks a lot of these

>>76257319
instead of knock out rounds the teams qualifying to quarter finals should partecipate in a mini tournament won by the one with the most points.

>>76257850
>When she feels it in her guts

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>>76257979
NO ERA PENAL toothpaste

>>76260652
CHI

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>>76260670
Abdul please, it wasn't a penal tho

>>76260726
CA

It was a penal tßh

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>>76260772
No it wasn't Muhammad

>>76260800
NO

Have one of your manlet family members stomp on your toes and tell me the pain doesn't warrant a penal, dirty Sanchez.

>>76260826
I've had heavier boxes fall on my foot than that little tap he got famm

>>76260850
Were those boxes opponents in a football game? Cause then it would be era penal

>>76260870
Wasn't a penal because a flop shouldn't define the game.he floped because he knew we would win. It's a mute point tho because they were eliminated anyway

>>76259753
>the EU accession of that textbook illustration of every economic nightmare, Greece
If only France hadn't failed to prevent one of the worst ideas in EU history. Us founding members shouldn't even have allowed Southern Italy in. Only other richfag countries should have been allowed in. Now even Iceland have reconsidered and don't want in any longer while the likes of Norway, Switzerland and soon the UK (+ potentially others) stay out of this mess.

>Ireland were the poorest member when they joined
Now the thieving pikeys are among the top. In fact it has been a huge benefit for all the poorfag countries.

>>76259807
Greece got itself into this mess. Of course 80% of the funds never should have been lent to Greece in the first place which without it showing some real structure reforms, getting rid of its massive and corrupt bureaucracy, shunning its addiction to socialism (which it could never afford) and developing a modern economy. Poland, Estonia, Czech Republic, Thailand, Chile, Slovenia, and many other countries can do it and so can Greece - there are no excuses. While running around blaming everyone else for the crisis without changing its own profligate ways and dysfunctional economic system and government, might ease the sting of the humiliation that Greece now faces - but it is certainly not constructive and does nothing to address the underlying issues. Greece is where it is today because of its own doing (not that it's directly the fault of the of the Greece's citizens, but they are certainly the victims and the ones who will suffer most along with the European tax payers who paid for these loans. It's obvious that one can borrow unlimited sums as long as the return on the funds is substantially higher than the their cost. In this case the funds were largely wasted. The vast sums Greece chose to spend on the Olympic Games alone should have been a an excellent indicator to anyone paying attention that this money was being poorly invested and that Greece did not have its priorities in order. Look at what Russia spent on the Sochi games, another massive waste of money while the Russia's essentially tertiary economy and Plutocracy goes down the toilet.

There are 239 million registered male footballers in the world. Only one 23-player squad can win the World Cup. That leaves a 0.0000096% of winning the World Cup if you are a registered footballer.