/copalib/ obligatory thread

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>>76223070
> Sport Cocoliso
> Atlético Satélite

There's Copa Sudamericana today, too.

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>>76224377
yee, cant wait for Huracan's outcome
if they lose, LMAO, getting btfo by a venezuelan team
if they somehow manage to make it, they will probably end up relegated since they can't handle double competition

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>>76223070
>>76224365
>>76224377

This is now a Sudamericana thread.

Tuesday:

>U.Catolica (ECU) - Petrolero (BOL) 19:15
>Patriotas (COL) - Everton (CHI) 21:45
>Defensor Sporting (URU) - Liga de Quito (ECU) 21:45

Wednesday:

>Huracán (ARG) - Dep.Anzoátegui (VEN) 19:15
>Sun of Murica (PAR) - Caracas Students (VEN) 19:15
>Yellow Force (ECU) - O´Higgins (CHI) 21:45
>Lima Alliance (PER) - Independiente (ARG) 21:45

Thursday:

>Bolivar (BOL) - Tolima Sports (COL) 19:15
>United Merchants (PER) - Boston River (URU) 19:15
>Dep.Cuenca (ECU) - Oriente Petrolero (BOL) 21:45
>Rionegro Eagles (COL) - Racing (ARG) 21:45

>>76224514
also, predictions? for me it's
> Boston
> O'Higgins
> Indpendiente
> Catolica
> DANZ
> Bolivar
> Everton
> Black River Golden Eagles
> Sol de America
> Oriente Petrolero
> Defensor Sporting

>>76224514
Todays Games:
U Católica - Oriente Petrolero
Defensor Sporting - LDU
Patriotas - Everton

>>76224514
>Boston River
>O'Higgins
>Alianza Lima
>Católica
>Anzoátegui
>Tolima
>Patriotas
>Racing
>Sol de América
>Cuenca
>Danubio

>>76224537
I want Everton de Viña del Mar to win. I think it's the only southamerican team with mexican players

>>76224704
>Danubio

That's Defensor Sporting

>>76224737
Lanus had an old mexican a few months ago, can't tell if he is a benchwarmer or already fucked off

>>76224981
Magallon returned to Mexico by 2017

yes who is the "white" Argentine club to support?
like Gremio but for the Primera División
I want to watch your leagues.

>>76225109
Dock Sud

Guys, rank SA coutnries by how good their clubs are, to me it seems to be like this
Argentina
Brazil
Colombia
Ecuador
Uruguay
Chile
Paraguay
Bolivia
Peru
Venezuela

>>76224537
For me, it's the Patriots.

>>76225776
>chilean clubs above ours
I take that as a personal insult

>>76226336
I got relatives from your country I always root for you

>>76226336
>t. Oscar Cardozo

Why the fuck does Argentina have 30 (thirty) clubs in its Primera Division?

>>76225776
It's really up to which parameters and timespans are you using, you can get a more exact approximation by sorting them in tiers

> Argentina/Brasil
> Colombia/Ecuador/Paraguay
> Uruguay/Chile/
> Bolivia/Uruguay
> Venezuela
Again, this my rank which is dedided slightly towards current performance, so it is pretty debatable

>>76226569
all 30 clubs are elite, simple as that

>>76226569
Tl dr:
> populist gov purchases Primera tv rights
> just then Primera Division is mostly composed by just 3 provinces (states) out of the 24 Argentina has.
> populist gov decides to please a complaint no one expressed
> that think is unfair that the whole country 's taxes pays for a league with just 3 provinces
> they thought it would be cheaper to expand Primera instead of purchase second division TV rights
> they were wrong
> promote 10 teams half season

Everything has been better since then tho and it wasn't actually that bad.

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Any matches this mid week?

>>76226802
I like the fact that you returned to a long tournament format. Apertura/Clausura is a terrible meme.

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Please root for us today.

Also in a couple years le loco Abreu's son will be playing in 1st division

>>76225062
>>76224981

And now he's a benchwarmer in the second tier or something.
At least Everton has a u-20 NT player and some other good potential players

>>76226802
>>76226872
must really suck to live in a country with Apertura/Clausura
Also, since Copa Libertadores is only once in a year, does the Apertura or the Clausura decide which teams play there and in Copa Sudamericana?

>>76226944
You are mean german-kun. Having double play-offs in Mexico is a memefest. It really is more entertaining than a long league format.

>>76226989
I feel like its very random, I think it makes more sense to have one competition in league (only) format and one cup with a knock-out format
I am already disgusted by the relegation games (16th of Bundesliga against 3rd of 2nd Bundesliga) that were introduced in our league a few years ago, a league is the fairest way to determine the best/worst of the year

>>76227032
Not so sure, here we all can agree that Chivas and Tigres were the two best teams this season, yet if it was league format fucking Tijuana would have won.

In football you need the ability to win consistently in a long term, but you need also the skill to win as a team single important matches. I think play-offs are not a bad way to define the best of the year.

>>76227091
>but you need also the skill to win as a team single important matches
that's true
but don't the play-offs make the league kind of pointless? I mean you only have to reach top 8 and you still have all the chances to win the title

>>76226944
every FA can do whatever they want with the spots they are given, but it mostly is:
- both last two Ap/Cl winners (can be from different seasons) are awarded with Libertadores spots. This is mostly to compensate the fact that, you know, you just one won a pocket sized league.
- all the remaining Libertadores spots and Sudamericana spots are decided by their position in the "season table" which is the aggregate of Apertura+Clausura performances in the "european season" (june-july)

>>76226944
I imagine the champion and runner-up of each tournament qualify to Libertadores, I dunno.
Anyway, only Bolivia, Chile, Colombia and Paraguay still use the Apertura/Clausura in Southamerica, and Chile will drop it the next year. In fact, here in Ecuador we once tried it system for a season, in 2005; never have tried it again ever since.

>>76226872
>I like the fact that you returned to a long tournament format.
It actually still is a single round tournament, in the end we are having our lowest matches per season since the earlies XX

>>76226944
>>76227260
>must really suck to live in a country with Apertura/Clausura

Unlike what a lot of people online said, Argentina in general have always had a serious problem with the attendance. Apertura and Clausura were pushed to increase both attendance income and TV rights money. It worked, which is why a lot of countries ended up with that system, but it has never been seen by the people as the regular system, it's always been considered a deviation from "normal european seasons", at least in Argentina.

>>76226892
>>76224537
wut, I thought the only uruguayans left were Nacional and Boston River. Neat, lifelong /defe/ fan since the 2014 run

>>76227381
tv money is also the reason why every European league has relegation play-offs nowadays
99.9% of German football fans don't even know about the Apertura/Clausura system, and I don't think it would be ever introduced here

>>76227444
Nacional is in Libertadores, Liverpool lost to Fluminense and Danubio almost made a comeback against Sport Recife, only Defensor and Boston River are left in Sudamericana

>>76225109
There is no racial tension here, which means that there is no races associated with certain clubs
But there is still racism, so a lot of people like to address a race they don't like to a club the don't like

Anyway, there is single club where a ethnic group associates themselves to the club, which is (((Atlanta))) and the jewish community. Not even teams that were intended to do that (for spaniard, italians, paraguayans and armenians) managed to keep a single ethnic group attached to them.

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QUITO'S CATHOLIC UNIVERSITY vs YACUIBA'S OILERS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_0NmP4oXaU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY24pizdqeU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDPBFv6pfM4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufGmsOrD0KE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PplI6oouYvU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AZ6Y4_MZAk
RADIOS http://tunein.com/radio/Universidad-Catolica-v-Petrolero-Yacuiba-may-30-2017-p954112/

U Catolica won first leg 3-1 in Bolivia.

Game should be starting in ~20 bings

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> it begins

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>>76227714

>>76227714
>indocumentado

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>>76224537
>no BR teams

nice

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bozbx0Cj7yM

>>76227701
Weird, my tv schedule said Catolica (CHI).

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>>76227444
Please root for Boston River they're poor but they're going to win Sudamericana

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>>76228559
do it for Gard!

la copa libertadores es mi obsesión

>>76226892
I will root for you m8.

>>76228639
Tenes que dejar el alma und die herz

>>76228559
> Rinde2
kek

>>76227575
>deportivo paraguayo will never win a libertadores in your lifetime
>or anyone else's for that matter
Feels bad man, igual yo te sigo a todos lados

anyone watching sudamericana?

>>76229339
Me.

RIP Petrolero

>>76228111
The shitlords are incoming next round

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>>76227714
Goddammit, those fucking championships are top tier memes, /copalib/ a best.

Quito already made a goal

Streams:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y85Q_1rVOOo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gFng6El6-I

Currently no Patriotas - Everton stream

>>76227701
>La Voz de Maria Radio Live Stream
wut?

FOGO NA BABILONIA

>>76230388
Lol joke, here is Patriotas - Everton stream

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlkPGqerLlY

>>76230432
>"Live: Patriotas vs Everto..." Este vídeo ya no está disponible debido a una reclamación de copyright realizada por Fox International Channels (US), Inc. (“Fox”).

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> Guayaquil made it in Libertadores
> Quito whooping the floor in Sudamericana

Is it, me animo a decirlo, ecuador's year?

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official radio STREAMS STREAMS STREAMS STREAMS STREAMS STREAMS STREAMS STREAMS if you are having troubles with jewtube

DEFENSOR SPORTING vs QUITO'S LEAGUE (not an actual tournament)
http://tunein.com/radio/Defensor-v-LDU-May-30-2017-p954114/
already 0-1 (first leg 2-2)

PATRIOTS vs EVERTONS
http://tunein.com/radio/Patriotas-Boyac%C3%A1-v-Everton-may-30-2017-p954116/
0-0 so far (first leg 1-0)

>>76230548
>Uruguayan champ
>losing to a team in relegation zone
>the defender of sporting

> listening Ecuador's radio
> (...) la Liga ha ganado tan solo un partido oficial en lo que va del año.

holy shit, how?

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>>76227496
And relegation play-offs in south america became a thing to try and save the argentinian giants, who were in serious danger of relegation despite playing in a league they basically commanded (it saved Racing and San Lorenzo, werent enough to save River and Independiente).

>>76227714
>no tenes documentos intensifies
Collage, here we go. Also, can someone post the last one? >we brazilians started to make one for the hue league at our shitty chan, but the pic is too big to be posted here.

>>76230865
Yes, only one and against Bootleg River. They would probably get relegated this year along with El Nacional (the other big team @ Quito) if it weren't for a third team that is even shittier than them both.

>>76230919
I'd like to see relegation play-offs in Brasileirao

>>76230919
> Argentina is responsible for most shit things that happens in latam leagues

kinda proud desu

>>76231112
They dont do this in here because we'd see bigger clubs going down much more. Who you think would have gone down in a relegation playoff between Flamengo and Portuguesa in 2013?

>>76230919
>(it saved Racing and San Lorenzo, werent enough to save River and Independiente

Independiente didn't had play-offs, they went down in direct relegation.
Unless you are talking about the average system. It was made after San Lorenzo got relegated and it wasn't enough to save Racing.
Interesting enough, if it weren't for the average system, River and Independiente wouldn't have been relegated in 2011 and 2013

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>>76228111
S U D A K I N O
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>>76231271
What I meant to say is that not even the possibility of play-offs were enough to save Independiente, I know they were relegated directly.

>>76231188
Wait, wouldn't the playoffs be between 17th and 18th of Serie A and 3rd and 4th of Serie B?

Also, I feel bigger clubs would escape a lot more. I could see Vasco avoiding 2 of their relegations with the playoffs.

Also, Fluminense would've gone down, they were Internacional-tier in that year.

>>76231471
how big is the gap between seria a and b?

how long do you think it's gonna take before the uruguayan rant-poster appears?

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>>76228666
thanks satan

>>76231500
It's hard to measure it, but I feel like Serie B's top 10 teams aren't much worse than A's bottom 10. Most teams that get promoted are relegated the following year, being promoted again after some time. There's a good number of teams in this promotion-relegation merry-go-round.

>>76231471
Oh yeah, I accidentally everything.

>>76231500
Possibly the smallest gap of all south american leagues, especially when you compare the top 10 in série B with the bottom 10 in série A. And there are a lot of traditional clubs with big fanbases on série B, and thats not even mentioning the big clubs that are getting relegated every season (we had one of the big 12 going down for every season since 2012, the last one being Internacional).

>>76231271
>it wasn't enough to save Racing.
Racing was relegated BECAUSE of the average system. Without the average system, it would have never been relegated.

The average system saved River, purposefully.

>>76228559
cancer, que vuelva Huracan Buceo

>>76231741
What are the chances of a big argie going down again in the near future? It seems like they all got back on their feet and are doing reasonably fine after Independiente got relegated and San Lorenzo almost went down again.

>>76231797
pretty low, unless you consider huracan a grande

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>>76231882
Velez is gonna have some really hard years until 2019 if they don't get their shit together.

>>76231726
brazzies have never thought about expanding Serie A? not like the clusterfuck that is argentina right now, but you know, something like 22-24 teams. I mean teams like Paysandu, Guarani, Parana, Goias, Criciuma, America seem like really decent teams for Serie a's bottom sides. And with the amount of Libertadores and Sudamericana spots you pour in Brasileirao, it should be enough to keep the competition interesting. Also you are relegating 20% of your league every year. .

South america /trans/ - I should be studying edition:

>nicolás burdisso's manager has stated that the time for the defender to return to boca juniors has passed, after the centerback was released from genoa

Another player to dismiss a Boca return was Rodrigo Palacio, who signed with Genoa after being released from Inter.

>racing club striker lautaro martinez is close to complete a move to portuguese side fc porto, according to portuguese media. the argie club's prez said he will only sell him if they pay his 12 million euros release clause

Velez Sarsfield have 10 (ten) players going out of contract after the end of their terrible season, and only five of them are set for renovation talks, including Mariano Pavone (that one) and Burrito Martinez (that other one). Hector Canteros is one of the players set to leave.

>sporting wants to sign rosario central midfielder mauricio martinez, and could use teo gutierrez as part of the deal. they see martinez as a good alternative for william carvalho, wanted by several european clubs

Star playmaker Éverton Ribeiro has already said goodbye to his friends and teammates in Al-Ahli, and looks set to a return to hue league to play for Flamengo. The deal is estimated to be around 5 million euros, with the player earning around 250k dollars a month (800k brazilian monies).

>another player wanted by flamengo is former santos winger geuvânio, plying his trade in china. they want to sign him on loan paying only part of his huge wages, similar to what they've done on the dario conca deal

RIP Defensor, Patriotas and Everton on penalties

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What do you lads think of Yangel Herrera? Is he better than Penaranda?

>>76232069
No space to expansion on calendar. Also BR Championship had more than 24 clubs until 2004 with rare exceptions (but with different formulas). 1979, for example, had 96 clubs playing the championship.

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>>76232078
thanks Brasil, keep the info coming as you please

DALE NEGRO CULIAO WENO PAL MOVO AWEONAO NACISTE POR EL CHICOBPERKIN

>>76232100
Your Apertura winner just choked against a team that is second to last here in Ecuador, I hope you're proud.

> NEVERTON

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>PATRIOTS IN
FUCK YEAH

based patriotas

>>76232296
>Just got home and turn on the TV to see if there is a mexican playing for Everton
>Penalties and there is one mexican
>Is the one that misses it and Everton loses

Fuck.....ME

>>76232330
He's pretty shit tho

>>76232078

>league champions palmeiras want to add another striker to their squad, having only william and record signing miguel borja as options upfront. some of the names rumoured are marco ruben (who denied that he'd move away from central), racing wantaway gustavo bou and former u de chile and man united striker angelo henriquez

Milan and Lille are battling for the signing of Santos defensive midfielder Thiago Maia, who won the olympic gold with Brazil last year. His agent is in europe right now, with Santos authorizing the move.

>botafogo said no to the return of former striker ribamar, who got relegated to /bundes/ 3rd division with 1860 munchen, and are interested in signing former corinthians forward luciano, on loan at leganés

Veteran gk Fábio has been released from Figueirense, 45 minutes after his debut for the série B side. After making a blunder and commiting a penalty on the first half, he asked to be substituted on the dressing room, them left the stadium and took a cab. He is already out of the state of Santa Catarina and cited "personal issues" behind the whole thing.

>ponte preta is looking for a striker to replace william pottker, who left to play with inter on the série b. their first target was felipe vizeu, flamengo starlet and brazil u20, who is benchwarming there, but flamengo refused to send him on loan

Uruguayan giants Nacional have already added 2 new faces to bolster their defence: former Boca man Alexis Rolin and Erick Cabaco, who returned from his loan spell at Nancy Lorraine.

>former uruguay and peñarol star diego forlan still hasnt decided if he is going to play another season. he has already started doing head coach classes

Other leagues: couldnt find any news, back to you Argentina.

>>76232330
Canelo?

>>76232346
Redpillme Chilean bro, How shitty are the mexicans on Everton? To be fair they are there because Pachuca didn't want them there

Seems like Patriotas had another mexican for some reason, and he did scored his penalty.

The balance is recovered

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>>76232078
>buys overrated players
>steamrolls the Rio championship
>gets BTFO by shit teams in Libertadores and Paulistas in Brasileirão
>patch the team with some expensive players mid season
>gets into the G5
>buys overrated players
So... this is the power of... Framengo

>>76232441
Post yfw chileans and colombians are doing a reverse "pls watch our league" on you, and its working.

>>76232467
>everton ribeiro, diego and guerrero upfront
>gabriel, berrio and leandro damião on the bench
>marcio araujo, rafael vaz and muralha at the back
>the city of flamengo

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*gana la liga*

>>76232441
>Do you still miss me /copalib/?

Is The Strongest getting stronger?

>>76232507
I miss Mexican Teams in /copalib/, it was a comfy banter

>>76232622
Yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjyFvE6S-zc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf3SZsgFgoo

>>76232391
There are like 4 mexicans and 1 barely plays. From what I've seen Almeida' (the one who lost his penalty) is pretty meh , nothing to write home about, could be easily replaced by an u-20 from the youth team

>>76232689
CABAÑAS was the TORRES of hue football, those were the days.

Who's the Tom Brady of Boyaca Patriots?

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>>76232720
Could this pepe be used as a patriotas pepe?

>>76232701
Yeah, Almeyda is the most known of them and it was bench at best in Pachuca, lad is like u-20 tho. But there was this kid Venegas that I heard played a lot and now he's on the U-20 World Cup

>>76232689
>Ochoa as the GK
>Based Cabañas was still alive

Those were the days my hue bro.

>>76232622
>it was a comfy banter
it was until the finals, when taringos arrived

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>>76232364
>Veteran gk Fábio has been released from Figueirense, 45 minutes after his debut for the série B side. After making a blunder and commiting a penalty on the first half, he asked to be substituted on the dressing room, them left the stadium and took a cab. He is already out of the state of Santa Catarina and cited "personal issues" behind the whole thing.

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/copasud/ nights are comfy threads in an already comfy general. Keep it up

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it's been 6 years and it just struck me
how the FUCK did river get relegated? can someone plase give me a rundown? i don't care if it's long

>>76232622
also, I was just watching these videos a few minutes ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGns7T8zHvY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-olp8-tKHQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVt6AywqRHA

/copalib/ needs more of this shitfest

>>76223070
kek ni yo sabia que jugaban asi esos animales

>>76233876
From what a remember, river won the league in 2008, with that team that had Loco Abreu, Flacao and Buonanotte pre-crash, and Simeone as their DT. Then they finished on last place on the immediate next tournament, and proceeded under a series of shit signings, bad managers and awful finishes in the league, until the title stopped counting for the promedios and the last place started to count, then that great game against Belgrano came on and the rest is history. I'd like a more detailed rundown about it, though.

>>76233876
it has it's own article in wikipedia pap8
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Descenso_de_River_Plate_a_la_Primera_B_Nacional

tl dr: Simeone fucked it up ended last. Then from there River got a streak of bad tournaments (16th=14th, best one being 10th) and they ended up BARELY in the play offs zone (literally one goal away from saving themselves in the last matchday). Then they Colchester'd against Belgrano and boom relegated.
Also bad luck, a lot of results would've saved them in the lasts matchdays, and none happened. Also shit teams got relegated and the recently promoted had memeruns, so it was harder for the bottom 5 (with River included) to keep up

>>76233941
>>76233993
thanks
was corruption also involved?

>>76234218
they said, no one can tell, River got their salvation in their hands, they give it away. When you complain about a ERA PENAL in another match but you choked at home at 90'+3 in the last match you have to start asking if it isn't partly your fault.

BREAKING /COPALIB/ RELATED NEWS:
>brazilian football's supreme court has charged internacional with falsifying documents to try to avoid relegation, and are asking for their suspension from the league (espn)

The brazilian football's supreme court has completed their investigation on the falsifying charges against Internacional, and has compiled 3 (three) volumes of evidences and statements that they indeed altered and falsified evidence to try and avoid relegation. The punishment ranges from fines to transfer embargos to outright bans from playing at CBF's top leagues, and the lead prosecutor has asked for the maximum penalty, a 2 year ban from all professional competitions.

UNDERSTANDING THE CASE: hueland giants Internacional, 2 times /copalib/ champions, were on the verge of getting relegated for the first time in their history, after a terrible season. Before the final game of the season, the Chapecoense crash happened, and some players and the club's management were accused of trying to take advantage of the tragedy to avoid the relegation behind the scenes, despite the team already being in the drop zone at the time. But the last game happened anyway, and they were relegated on the field, after a 1-1 draw away against Fluminense and the other results needed not going their way. The real problem started after the league ended, when they went on the tribunals accusing 16th placed side Vitória, who finished 2 points ahead, of fielding an ineligible player for the entire season, using as its main evidence an email sent by cbf to the club admitting the player was irregular but trying to sweep the case under the rug (the same accusation was made during the state championships, and Vitória ended up being cleared of all charges). But CBF later presented the actual email, that completely changed the context of the words presented by Inter and indeed cleared Vitória, and accused Inter of deliberately manipulating the email to try to avoid relegation.

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>>76238768
they said it couldn't get worse. They lied.

>>76238768
AND IM FREEEEEE
FREEEFAAAAAALLING

>>76238768
UNA CINTA EN TUS CABELLOS

>>76238768
>the absolute state of Brazilian football

>>76238768
You better read this shit, you guys, I have a test in a few hours but took my time to write this for the lulz

>>76231500
it is pretty big.

It is almost impossible to a Serie B that is not a big team who got relegated, and a real serie b team.To play well the whole season in A.

They sell too much players and barely make money compared to bigger clubs in Serie A.

>La Asamablea Ordinaria de la Asociación del Fútbol Argentino aprobó el balance 2015/16, con 223 millones de pesos de pérdida y ¡57 millones de patrimonio negativo!. La reunión se llevó a cabo este martes por la tarde en la sede de la calle Viamonte.

>La situación financiera de la AFA es lapidaria y los números cada vez dan más negativos. Este martes por la tarde, la Asamblea Ordinaria de la Asociación del Fútbol Argentino aprobó su balance 2015-2016, con 223 millones de pesos de pérdida y 57 millones de patrimonio negativo. "Si seguimos el camino de la deuda, vamos directamente a la quiebra. La AFA debe empezar a gestionar ingresos con diferentes marcas", expresó Víctor Blanco, presidente de Racing, una vez finalizada la asamblea.

>Además, para agrandar la grieta entre los dirigintes, la reunión contó con la presencia de 34 asambleistas sobre los 43 habilitados. De los clubes grandes no asistió River, San Lorenzo, ni Independiente. La Asamblea fue dirigida por el presidente Claudio Tapia y su vices Daniel Angelici y Víctor Blanco, representantes de Boca y Racing, respectivamente.

JUST

>>76238768
let's suppose they get suspended for 1-2 years, what happens next? start over from bottom division or they magically reappear in serie b?

>>76239238
Franquicias regionales (como hay en Super Rugby) serían una solucción para el fútbol argentino.

>>76239251
Probably restarting from Série C or D

>>76238768
FEIJOADA
E
I
J
O
A
D
A

>>76239238
How can a league go bankrupt?

>>76239251
Guess they'll have to restart without a division, having to qualify for the série D via state championship.

>>76239332
See NASL

>>76238768
You are really delusional if you think this would happen.

They will pay a fine and that is it

>>76239358
But Internacional has contract with Esporte Interativo. So CBF shall exclude Internacional to EI have less match to broadcast in 2019.

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>>76238768
FOLLOW-UP ON THE BREAKING NEWS:
Inter denies everything, hue football supreme court leaked a fluxogram about the whole case.

>>76232922
Why is he poor anyways? shouldn't he have money?

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>>76239332

>>76239332
mostly bad contracts, gov owning the footy made it worse. A lot of clubs own money to AFA, and they can't or they don't want to pay.

>>76238768
>hueland giants Internacional
>giants
stopped reading right there

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>>76239628
>>>>>>>>"""""""""""""""gigante"""""""""""""""""
>>>>>>>>>>""""""""""""""""""""""""campeão""""""""""""""" """""""""""""""de"""""""""""" """"""""""""""""tudo"""""""""""""""

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>SC Internacional isn't a big team

>>76239378
i can't wait until 2019 so my team receives help from the refs.

>>76239628
I was trying to be "impartial", though I agree with you, Gastón.

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>>76239747

/copasud/ night again
19.15 Huracan (0) - (3) Deportivo Anzoategui
19.15 Sol de America (3) - (2) Estudiantes de Caracas
21.45 Alianza Lima (0) - (0) Independiente
21.45 Fuerza Amarilla FC (0) - (1) O'Higgings

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>>76239781

>>76239831
>le footy lad look
How contrived, Sad!

>>76239831
que controvertido. Triste!

>>76239831
>having a tattoo of my grandma in his chest
i will hunt him

>>76239925
donha xuxa?

Bolivian clubs have a huge advantage at home because of the altitude, but does that also mean that they have a disadvantage in away games? Because the altitude is way lower in all the other countries

>>76233894
>Based Cuauhtemoc Blanco, the only mexican player that really had magic and balls, beating hues
>Boca 0-4 Chivas, when Boca's coach spit on the based Bofo Bautista

I miss those guys, they had personality

>>76232651
ALIANZA T H I C C

>>76240988
No they don't they can functiom normally at lower altitude, but you can't in higher unless you are 20 days there before the game

>>76240988
It's not that bad but yes. Most "powerful" bolivian clubs usually are from La Paz and Cochabamba, which besides the altitude, are relatively really dry climates. The humidity from coast cities (exactly where practically every southamerican country has its better teams) can fuck them up: "overheat", dehydration, fluid retention and everything that carries.
Also, technically speaking, the practically have to change their tactics since crosses, long passes and long shots dont work the same in different altitudes.

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Dang, it's true.

Press F to Inter

>>76242103
>cannibalism.jpg

>>76242103
That's straight outta Temple of Doom.

>>76231188
>>76231471
relegation in Germany regularly saves the big clubs, 7 out of 9 times the team from the 1st Bundesliga won, also HSV were saved by this twice, everybody just wants them to get relegated because they were so lucky too many times, the only time it couldn't save a big club was 1860 München this year (relegation to 3rd division)
overall I fucking hate it but what can I do

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One of our lil niggas is getting out today. I can feel it.

All these fucking retards asking for more clubs in serie A, or even comparing the quality of the bottom 10 in serie A to the """"""""top 10"""""""" in serie B, just kys uneducated underages who know nothing about football.
There is a reason why every year one or two of the meme teams who came from serie B last season will be relegated again. This year we have two prime examples: Atletico-GO(champion of serie B in 2016) and Avai(2nd place in serie B 2016) we are only 3 matches in and its already obvious these 2 will be relegated. Funny thing is the other two teams that came from serie B, Vasco and Bahia wont be relegated because they are actual big traditional teams.
We have enough big traditional clubs to make a fixed clubs serie A, having meme teams like Atletico-GO, Avai and Chapecoense playing in the elite only hurt the quality of the championship, what match do you want to watch more? Flamengo x Internacional, or Flamengo x Atletico-GO? People dont give two shits about some no name center-west club.
The fixed 20 should be:
Corinthians
Palmeiras
Santos
Sao Paulo
Flamengo
Botafogo
Vasco
Fluminense
Atletico-PR
Coritiba
Internacional
Gremio
Bahia
Vitoria
Sport
Nautico
Ceara
Fortaleza
Atletico-MG
Cruzeiro

Keep relegation system for serie B and lower, dont really care.

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>>76244597

>Vasco
>not getting relegated

>>76244597
You mean you want a 15-teams league without relegation?

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PATRICIANS' PARK'S HURRICANE vs ANZOATEGUI SPORT
https://www.youtube.com/results?sp=EgJAAQ%253D%253D&q=huracan
http://tunein.com/radio/Hurac%c3%a1n-v-Deportivo-Anzoategui-may-31-2017-p954122/

First leg: Deportes Anzoategui 3-0 Huracan

AMERICAS' SUN vs CARACAS' STUDENTS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6W8ciR8It8
http://tunein.com/radio/Sol-de-Am%c3%a9rica-v-Estudiantes-Caracas-may-31-2017-p954118/

First leg: Estudiantes de Caracas 2-3 Sol de America

> huracan

>>76244711
I just named the 20-21 teams, and yes thats what I thin would be best, since they are the most relevant teams in the country. Brazil is too big and theres a shitload of worthless meme teams which should never be playing serie A.

> Venezuelan teams

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Wtf, youtube

>>76245042
I would hate it if it was in my country but I'm all in for MLS'd Brasileirao

>>76245125
> lion fucking a white tiger
The White Tiger is clearly Chumacero. Who are the Lions tho.

>>76245059
I kind of feel bad for them,their country is not doing well at all, yet they still have to participate

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The proper definition of professional championship with amateurish organization and passion, that's the Conmebol.

>>76245460
Is that the Bolivians from yesterday?

> Estudiantes are in second division.

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GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL DE RIVER

>>76245460
>>76245512
They were coached by the physiotherapist, their actual coach stayed in Boca because he didn't have a passport. Also, all of their executives quit the team during the week, or something like that.

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>gripe

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>HMM WHATCHA SAY...

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>o fluzão vai com tudo pra vir--

>>76244773
Any radio stream for River's match?

MUH OFFSIDE

>>76245851
http://tunein.com/radio/AM950-Belgrano-s109178/
http://www.radioarg.com/#espn-107-9-fm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Fp-zBM1__Q

CHIMPOUT!

>>76246101
what match?

>>76246129
Flu vs Gremio

NO ERA OFFSIDE

>10-3

>>76246191
The Patriots are playing again? They played just yesterday.

>>76246230
Yes, but I like to watch the Sudamericana.
Aberica is playing in the national league, btw.

>>76246273
Who's the Brady of Boyaca? Also
>memezuelan clubs

>the city of Caracas

>The city of Venezuelan teams

>the hurricane of the patricians park

> 10-3
> dropping a 3-0 advantage at 90'+2

Venezuela should be given just 1 spot for each cup, any other country can do better than what they do.

For me it's Sol de América

Why is a second division team playing an official international tournament

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>"""""""""""""""reaper""""""""""""""""

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>>76246529
bow to the King Arthur

>>76244597
The worst thing is that most people that actually think like this

Honestly, if my club isn't playing against one of the big 12, they might as well play against fucking Paysandu or ABC or Boa Vista. If teams like Bahia and Nautico were so great, they wouldn't be getting relegated every other year. Relegation is one of the biggest dramas in current brazilian football, removing it would only make the league more boring.

Plus half of the ""'"top 10"""" in last year's Serie B was composed by teams who are in your "fixed 20" proposal, while 7 of bottom 10 in Serie A are in the same list, so the comparison seems pretty valid.

also:

>Sport
are the only actually solid team in Nordeste right now, and even they did a Relegated-Promoted-Relegated combo back in 2011-13
>Nautico
spent more time on Serie B than Serie A in the last 10 years
>Ceara
disputed 8 Serie B's in the last 10 years
>Fortaleza
hasn't been in Serie A for 10 years straight, it's actually on Serie C for the last 8 years.

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Soon.

DRIUSSI
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I

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DE RIVER

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

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Just give us the treble already.

>>76246485
their national cup was giving Sudamericana spots. Zulia won, but they were already in Libertadores so the runner-up (Estudiantes) went to the Sudaca.

It happened the same in Argentina a few years ago, but Huracan managed to get promoted before to cup started.

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>>76246924
>mioshit

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LEMON ALLIANCE vs INDEPENDENT of HAZELNUTFIELD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFdH1f4EGFo
https://www.youtube.com/results?sp=EgJAAQ%253D%253D&q=independiente

First leg: Independiente 0-0 Alianza

YELLOW POWER vs BILBO O'HIGGINS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtVn42i0Y3E
https://www.youtube.com/results?q=amarilla&sp=EgJAAQ%253D%253D

Fist Leg: O'Higgins 1-0 Fuerza Amarilla

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>Gallardo working his meme magic tonight

>10-3

Que mas debemos hacer para que nos den 3 cupos directos a la libertadores?

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>>76223070
DELET

>>76246924
>us
But I agree, if someone can win a treble, it's based Gallardo.

>A fucking cat

>>76247509
this
> last 4 libertadores had two parawhys finalist and one semifinal.

>you now remember Mazembe Day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Sl5BpNvN6c

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>>76247867
>el campeón de todo

>>76223070
Hmm those teams must play in lower divisions but Kek I didn't even know they were so amateur-like, at least judging by the clip

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>>76247926
>Big teams don't get relegated

>>76247579
>el peruANO

Bienvenido, hombre

Reminder that Palmtrees are choking against frickin Internacional.

Goal by D'Ale

Colorado mufa interviewed Rolando. Congratulations to Juventus on their third UCL win.

>>76248200
>choking against Binter (soon to be Cinter)
So that's the power of not having Mundial

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>>76248207
Oh, wat do now?

>>76248200
>>76248261
>improvising Felipe Melo as a CB
So... this is the power of.. 90 mijones de reales

>>76248365
Cuca is delusional

>>76248301
Bet your house and life savings on Juve.

le dancing negro Mina is better than Gerome-

>>76248422
Thanks, anon. I'll take your numbers as a liability.

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>MELHOR TIME DO BRASI-

>>76248492
EMPOLGOU

Meu deus do céu o Palmeiras é um lixo

>>76248492
>Comparing Real Madrid to Crefisa FC
Is this the reason trump will build the wall?

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>>76248492
>bottom line
>Tragedia Chape
Are they seriously still talking about Chape there? Has something else happened (besides being 1st)?

>>76248957
That's an old pic

>D'ivesandro

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>>76249117
>bootleg bootleg Barcelona

>>76249159
> bootleg bootleg bootleg Basel

ÃO ÃO ÃO
SEGUNDA DIVISÃO

Copa do Brasil finally interesting now:
Atletico-MG
Atletico-PR
Botafogo
Cruzeiro
Flamengo
Gremio
Palmeiras
Santos

We can have some nice derbies.

>>76249431
this, now that all the lower division teams were eliminated the matches are starting to become more watchable.

HOLAN STRONK

WE ARE GONNA DRONE OUR WAY TO THE SUDAMERICANA

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>>76248492
>>76248622
>>76248759
>those anons were awake until midnight on a wednesday to jinx palmeiras

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>>76249705
you're welcome
thanks for giving us Barrios troxa

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>It's an "Palmeiras wins due to set-pieces and headers" episode
Triggered

>>76249851
>the cheirinho of flamerda

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>>76249705
>>76249759
kek

So far, things are like this:
>Argentina
Libertadores: 4/6 (2 transferred to Sudamericana)
Sudamericana: 4/6 (Racing plays tomorrow)

>Bolivia
L: 2/4
S: 1/4 (Bolivar and Oriente play tomorrow)

>Brazil
L: 6/8 (2 transferred to Sudamericana)
S: 4/6

>Chile
L: 0/4 (1 transferred)
S: 1/4

>Colombia
L: 0/5 (3 transferred)
S: 2/4 (Aguilas and Tolima tomorrow)

>Ecuador
L: 2/4
S: 3/4 (Cuenca tomorrow)

>Paraguay
L: 1/4 (2 transferred)
S: 3/4

>Peru
L: 0/4
S: 0/4

>Uruguay
L: 1/4
S: 0/4 (Boston tomorrow)

>Venezuela
L: 0/4
S: 0/4

>>76249431
That is, if you believe Cruzeiro will advance. Chape still has a chance.

This Copa Do Brasil format is great
>80 teams begin the competition
>Round of 40
>Round of 20
>Round of 10
>The 5 remaining teams are joined by 11 clubs coming out of nowhere
>Of the original 80, only Cruzeiro remains

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>>76249937
>you now remember Palmeiras exchanging Barcos for Leandrinho CNH + three literally whos

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>the city of internacional

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>>76250045
>it's a tu bio o xogo episode

>>76250071
>It's a Patriotas vs Everton episode

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> dat paraguay

tomorrow
- Colombia can be the country with more teams if Aguilas Doradas and Tolima win.
- if Racing wins, then Argentina is gonna be the one setting 7 teams next round.
- Either Peru or Uruguay are gonna save their pride with the winner of Merchants United-Boston River
- Palestino and Iquique are the only chileans left in Conmebol competitions.

>>76250006
>If Cruzeiro loses to Chape, all the 106 matches played before the QF will have been useless, since only the 8 Libertadores teams that joined the competition now will remain

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UNA CALLE ME SEPARA

>>76249991
> dat Venezuela

>>76249431
no underdogs? good

>>76250006
>>76250114
kek

>>76250071
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYg0idT-qn0
It never gets old, jesus christ

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>>76250143
jaja

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>>76249117
/lifelong/ yellow fan here

>>76232296
I dont particularly care about defensor but to be completely fair they they got their best players sold. Their striker was really good and the reason theh were doing so well and he couldn't play the game. Over here doing well in a tournament means your team is getting taken aoart

Also winning apertura is a meme

I hereby declare the death of chilean football.
Savor your NT's moments as of now, because soon enough you'll fall back to Bolivia-tier mediocrity.

>>76249991
From best to worst:
>Brazil
>Argentina
>Ecuador
>Bolivia
>Paraguay
>Uruguay
>Colombia
>Chile
>Perú
>Venezuela

>>76254620
>the Chumas effect

He is a God, isn't he?

>>76239831
Anyone cares to explain why this fucker have Evo Moralez tattooed on his chest?

>>76250175
>timinho intensifies
kek.

D'Ale is a walking meme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi3_1qOHWm4

JUEVES DE SUDAMERICACA
19.15 Bolivar (1) - (2) Tolima
19.15 Comerciantes Unidos (1) - (3) Boston River
21.45 Deportivo Cuenca (1) - (1) Oriente Petrolero
21.45 Rio Negro Aguilas (0) - (1) Racing Club

>>76256808
Bolívar
Bombston
Cuenca
Rasin

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>>76256808
Aguante el Boston

>>76250113
this shit looks better than libertadores

>>76256808
>rasin
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LA MUFA

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>>76256808
Tolima is going to get raped.
Who /lifelong/ here?

>>76259636
>Eagles
>Patriots
>Jaguars
Are you the NFL?

>>76259817
We are a US colony after all.

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>>76259636
Actually rooting for Tolima here. Video related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdPTqKidYZI

Si esto pasa, nos dejan entrar a la CONMEBOL al resto de nosotros?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-4149482/Caribbean-nations-prepare-plans-breakaway-CONCACAF.html

>>76260265
Concacaf is fusion of three condederations:
- NAFU (North America)
- UNCAF (Continental Central America)
- CFU (Insular Central America, a.k.a. Caribbean)

Basicly, it's CFU moving out from Concacaf

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>>76255736
Notice something?

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>>76261046

>>76260265
Don't those island niggers realize that the only reason CONCACAF is relevant is because of Mexico and the US, and that they're a non-factor in the world's football?

>>76262009
They don't give a fuck, they are corrupt as fuck, even for Latinamerican standards. If they lose the Copa Oro shekels, they are doom. It's a really weird move for their part but with the extra teams in the WC, they are guaranteed 2 teams in from the 2026 WC.

A CONMEBOL+CONCACAF(-Caribbean) confederation would be ok. Just 10 more teams and the worse of Central America is a little worse than Bolivia anyway.

>>76262009
>>76262443
But if they successfully separate (with FIFA recognition) wouldn't they get direct WC spots? I don't know what are the real numbers involved but maybe they are using that point of view

Bombston is winning.

All losers from pre-Libertadores should be playing Sudamericana. The cup should be at least seven stages long

>>76262620
They'd probably get 1 spot at the most, and it would be Jamaica or Trinidad and Tobago going every year

>>76262620
It's just a threat, these retarded officials from the islands just want more millions in "development" funds from CONCACAF to swindle. Take a look at how these people talk, they have little interest in actually being held accountable and improving their region.

http://www.insideworldfootball.com/2017/03/03/concacaf-takes-control-caribbean-competitions-opening-jamaica-office/

>Whether he likes it or not, Caribbean insiders who asked not to be named, said that CONCACAF declared war when they tried to influence the election for CFU president at the end of 2016. Having failed to get their man elected they have effectively taken control of the region by force. The question will now be whether they can take control of their hearts and minds having taken control of their financial subsistence and means to govern their own competitions.

NO ERA PENAL

>>76255574
You don't have one?