None of you guys actually think messi is top 5 yet alone the

I think messi is too damn good to be categorized, he's an alien beast

dunno about all time but he's the best I've seen in my life

>>76113657
it's all nostalgia. at some point, Messi was indeed top 5 ever. he was a magical little fucker who could literally destroy entire defenses and score the most beautiful goals.

now, he's just a goal poacher like Ronaldo, but scores less. at some point Messi had 5 balloon doors while Ronaldo had 2. now it's going to be 5 each, with Ronaldo being 3 years older. this alone proves my statement:

Messi has gone from elder god to scoring less tap ins than Ronaldo.

>>76113697
If by alien beast you mean Iniesta baby, then yeah sure.
>>76113705
So you only casually care about football? Even Kaka during his small prime was better.

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he's pretty good

Messi is hors category like in the tour of france

The GOAT of all GOATs

best i've seen desu, although i've only been watching since 2003, but no one comes even close

>>76113714
>>76113928
>flag

Haha. Alright.

Of course not. He is a system babby and an Inieste /Xavi babby.
Not one accomplishment for the Argie NT. Fake and gay GOAT

>>76113714

messi has more goals this year than ronaldo you fat autist

>>76114739

>FIFA Youth World Cup
>Olympic gold medal
>World Cup final
>continental finals lost in penalties

he's gone the entire way in every single age division, and for club he's won it all.
It says a lot when managers change, players change, but Messi is the constant to reach every final the sport has to offer.

>>76113657
best i've seen too. still 0 titles without xaviniesta. never proved himself outside the system. I'd put him in a top10 for sure.

>>76114779
>FIFA Youth World Cup
u20
>Olympic gold medal
u23
>World Cup final
not a title
>continental finals lost in penalties
not a title

So this is the power of... Missis.

Best player i've seen so far.

Pero eso no le quita lo pecho frio, muerto de mierda.

For the simple fact that messi cant achieve what ronaldo achieved in the premier league, is why ronaldo is better

>and then he went and cucked messi in his own league
>based

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>>76115060
u wot

since Ronaldo arrived to Spain, Messi won more trophies (both leagues and CL's), and also scored more goals in fewer games

>>76115060
>what is international level

>>76114796

you are lucky to be eliminated by germany and not argentina

>>76115105
Still no titles...

>>76115087

Don't bring stats into arguments it's not fair to Ronaldo.

Typical tsunaldo fan

>lol messi can't win a trophy and can't score goals meanwhile ronaldo wins the champions league and euro alone hahaha

>>76114796
If Biglia scored his penalty it means Messi would be better because he'd have a title with the NT?

You people are just stupid, you only discuss looking at numbers. This ain't basketball

>>76114755
>this year
>zero trophies outside Copa del Mickey Mouse
lmfao

>>76114779
>but Messi is the constant to reach every final

and choke

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>>76115138
>chokes in the 2014 WC final
>chokes in the 2015 copa america final
>chokes in the 2016 copa america final
>Messi is goat la
>it was Higuain's fault la

what about Messi himself scoring his penalty?

Tsu and Messi are literally the two best players football has seen to date

Based Romania is here.

Spics on suicide hotline.

>>76115168
That's the second CA final, in a CA that didn't count. It wasn't an official Copa America, it was just a Centenario special

In the CA held in Chile he scored the penalty

>>76115138
>it's Biglia's fault la

>>76115168
>he didn't score, therefore he did nothing

In that case, Ronaldo was useless for most of the Euro 2016 tournament, and only deserves credit for scoring against the "mighty" Wales and Hungary.

>it's one player's fault that a team of 11 players on the pitch failed

>>76115189
You literally are Romania on proxy.

>>76115191
>that doesn't count >>76115168

top kek

>>76115168
>what about Messi himself scoring his penalty?

Then everyone would praise him and say he is the only reason for winning the cup. Since he missed everyone blames Higuain. Because Messi missed. Blame Higuain because Messi missed. Really makes a lot of sense

>>76115200
>implying missing the definitive penalty is the same as "non scoring"

yea sure m8. keep telling yourself that.

>>76115233
Blame Biglia too la' >>76115138

Idiots, by the time Messi missed his penalty, Chile was already losing because Vidal missed his own. Messi's penalty literally did nothing wrong, it was Biglia that missed the 2nd penalty and got Argentina eliminated. Also, penalty shootout wouldn't happen if Higuain could do anything right. There's a reason he did not leave the stadium with the team and called his brother to pick him up. He literally DID NOT TRAVEL TO THE HOTEL WITH THE TEAM.

>>76115323

He also did not take the plane with the team and instead took a private flight to colombus with his brother. That's how ashamed that fat piece of shit is.

>>76115200
>tournament won
>useless

>>76115323
>i-i-i-it's higuain's fault la
>i-i-i-it's biglia's fault la

>>76115462
>>76115489
wow strong arguments!

>>76115539
>0 (z-e-r-o) titles without Xaviniesta

wow so this is the power of the so called GOAT

>>76115539
and what's your argument?
>wow so many finals la
>0 won
>we goat la

>>76115594
He won the last CL without Xavi and the last league without both

>>76115654
>the last league without both

u wat

>>76115654
>literally having to lie to defend your country man on an animeforum

nah m8, just give it up already

>>76115668
Iniesta scored a goal and gave 2 assists, you can say he pretty much didn't play

Are you unironically suggesting Iniesta carried him to the 2015-16 league title too?

>people talking about xavi iniesta when messi won the 2014 champions league with xavi not playing and iniesta playing 25 games
>people talking about xavi iniesta when spain couldn't even get out of the group stage after they were found doping and messi got to a world cup final with a bunch of EPL players

>>76115689
So you're basically lying?

>>76115694
>implying Iniesta weren't the best player in the final
>implying they didn't won 1 wc and 2 euros (the exactly sum of what Messi choked) without missis

>>76115713
How the fuck is Messi meant to win titles without Iniesta when they are both loyal 1 club players? He has to wait 3 more years until he retires just to prove you? you are retarded

>>76115747
So is Iniesta argentinian now?

>>76115747
>Xavi left
>Alves left
>Iniesta is pretty much dead now
>Suddenly Barca can't win nothing bar la ilustre copa del rey

What did he mean by this?

>>76115747
>How the fuck is Messi meant to win titles without Iniesta
exactly lmao

Ronaldo won titles with Drenthe and Anderson

really makes you ponder reality

>>76115803
It means that Barcelona are now a mediocre team with no fullbacks or midfield and that Messi carried them so hard this season it's surreal.

>>76115813
Do you seriously not have a life outside sucking cristiano homo dick?

>>76115820
Carried them to where? The one who pulled the strings out in the remontada was Nerman, not Messi.

>B-but muh messi IS the system
Yea sure

>>76115803
Three points off winning the league.

Are you saying they're finished

>>76117772
i

>>76116108
>2nd in a 2 horse-race
>can't even reach semifinal
>only managed to get into qfs because of massive refball

sure they're not finished m8..

>>76118051
Good attempt at trolling, but the gypos do it better

2/10

>>76118051

>2nd in a 2 horse-race

Real Madrid has won 2 leagues in 8 years with their "best player ever" Hhahahahaha

>>76113714
>he was a magical little fucker who could literally destroy entire defenses and score the most beautiful goals.

Yeah whatever you say burger.

>>76120288
it's true though

>>76115654
>Lying
Suarez won them La liga last season. He finished the season with like 8 goals in his last three games.

>>76115654
wow 2 (two!) trophies

>>76121125
>success is only ever down to a single person

Go away, fat fuck

>>76118882
He kept Madrid competitive against one of the greatest teams of all time playing in teams with Adebayor, Drenthe, and Diarra and managed to win a few CdRs along the way.

>>76121188

di maria and bale won those CdRs

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>>76121188
>CdRs

>>76121188

Nigga what are you talking about. Penaldo didn't even play in the Copa del Rey becuase he was out with injury, just like in the Euro final. The man is a fucking fraud. No one ever watches the games it seems. I'm so tired of mother fucking wikipedia pundits.

>>76114779
You loose your virginity when you insert your penis in a girls vagina

Not when you make out

madrid have a constant stream of top players

only madrid fans claim xavi past his prime is the best midfielder ever, messi has had to win with much less and with MORE SKILL.

ronaldo is a poacher. messi is a trequartista. a skill player.

I can't wait to Juventus to fuck Madrid up in champions league final.

But Ronald is the best ever, but he scores when it matters. Hurr durr

Dybala is gonna fuck Madrid up.

>>76128816
You seem new.

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>>76118882
But if Messi is best ever, then how come Real (twice) and Atletico managed to slip through the cracks, huh? Not to mention Real repeating in 2007 & '08? Why didn't this mechawizard Messi, supported by the magical midfield tercetto and Puyol-Pique and Henry/Zlatan/Eto'o/Villa/Neymar/Suarez win 10 in the row and 5 CLs in the row? After all, he's THAT good, right?

>there are people ITT that think international trophies are about skill and not luck
wew, lads

>>76132057

>Shrek República trying to cover for their shit performance at international tournaments
>Haha we only lost because we were unlucky hehe

>>76128499
>poacher
>trequartista
>tipsfedora.jpg

>>76132127
Do you think Portugal won Euro 2016 through skill

>>76132127
you are literally lucky that 90% of your WT plays together for the rest of the year in 2 clubs and that you have a good manager

every tournament is like putting a whole new squad together with a new manager and trying to win a league

Messi is the greatest to have ever lived

>>76132163
> 90% of your WT plays together for the rest of the year in 2 clubs
wat

no, and he didn't deserve that consolation price for being the "best" player on the 2014 when everyone knows that le cut inside man should have won it

>come on /sp/ after 4 years
>people are still calling the GOAT a system babby
>even though xavi is gone
>even though iniesta has declined
>even though he still carries barca

yeah ok

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>>76113657
actually not
this is the greatest player i've ever seen, pic related

Ronaldo will retire as a goat. I can see him winning another league and cl next year. Messi peaked too early, he has been on decline for quite some time now. He'll be dead in two years.

>>76132204
What he means is that the entire German NT practically plays for one of two clubs so they can already play together as a team. It's actually quite similar in Spain (even though they got raped at the WC). Players from other countries play all over the world or play for a host of different clubs so when they come together for the NT they need time to "gel". He's also pretty much right.

>>76136037
>mfw because Messi is younger he can still play two years longer than Penaldo
>mfw he does exactly that just to fuck Penaldo
>mfw the governing bodies allow it to happen and gives him favourable treatment because they're corrupt in favour of Barcelona

You can only have one or the other. Either Penaldo retires as GOAT and the governing body doesn't favour Barcelona/Messi or Messi retires as GOAT for the above mentioned reasons.

>>76115191

>it was just a Centenario special

Ya it meant so little that he threw an autism fit and retired from international football. Dumb spic

>>76121240
>You
I'm talking about the one he scored a last minute header in to make it 2-1. Adebayor was on the field that day.