You now remember the second group stage in the CL

>You now remember Milan

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>yfw no more clubs like Standard Liege or Valletta in the ucl

>>76106849
>Deportivo
How?

>>76106849
The absolute state of that group B

They may as well get rid of the group stages altogether now. When was the last time a first seed didn't qualify?

>>76106873
are you literally about 15 years old?

deportivo won la liga in 2000 and were constantly at the top of the table around the late 90s and early 2000s.

they got to the CL semi-finals in 2004

>>76106873
Deportivo crushing manure at old trafford was pretty epic, pic related was a bad year bad thoug

>>76106873
Tristan and Makaay you underaged bellend

>>76106873
Still clinging to Super Depor era

Was pretty based because you got to see all these big clubs play each other. Nowadays that's regular and boring. The excitement quickly died after the first few iterations.

>>76106925
>>76106936
I only started watching football about 5 years ago desu

>>76106925
This. So sick of new people. We need to come up with a name for them so they can be ostracised with it.

>there are people here too young to remember Deportivo being a consistent CL team
>there are people here too young to remember Barcelona being an absolutely dogshit Arsenal-tier club in the early 2000s
>there are people too young here to remember Valencia, Deportivo and Real Sociedad being title challengers ahead of Barcelona
>there are people too young here to remember Leeds getting to a CL semi
>there are people too young here to remember Newcastle being a Champions League team

get out of my board and go do your homework, kiddo.

>>76106849
>every group had a Spanish side
>every group had an Italian side
wew lad

>>76107020
"yank"

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>tfw none of those groups would be competitive today

still, I'd like a second group stage

>>76107032
>>there are people here too young to remember Barcelona being an absolutely dogshit Arsenal-tier club in the early 2000s

m8, >we didn't even made the group stages sometimes, way worse than arse

>>76107113
but they were back then.

there would be different teams in it these days.. if you took the teams from this years last 16, and stuck to the constraints that teams from the same country cant be together, it would look something like this

Barcelona, Man City, Monaco, Napoli
Real Madrid, Benfica, Bayern Munich, Arsenal
Atletico, Dortmund, Leicester, Porto
PSG, Sevilla, Juventus, Bayer Leverkusen

would be pretty competitive IMO.

>>76107155
how many years do you think it'll take before barcelona becomes arsenal-tier again? will i get to witness this in my life?

>>76107032
This.

It's exactly why i say football comes and goes in cycles.

Heck in the 90's Real Madrid were shite too

>>76107162
02/03 was the only time they did that second group stage shit?
tbqh it seems interesting, but it'll pretty much mean 4 extra games in a season already stacked with games

>>76107032
>yfw no one will remember Patetico in 5 years

>>76107172
Between 2005 and 2010 they regularly lost to Olympique Lyonnais

>>76107162
>Barca, Monaco
>Madrid, Bayern
>Atletico, Dortmund
>PSG, Juve
Would look the same

>>76107170
Without a Doubt, you'll also witness Man United, AC Milan and Liverpool getting major titles again, and clubs like Bayern, Real and Juve fading away

If there's one thing that's true in sports it's that no one stays on top forever

>>76107199
No that's how it used to work

>>76106873
Youre supposed to be 18 years or older to post here

>>76107172
feels like it was more exiciting back. there was less of a gap between the top clubs and everyone else.

globalisation has just led to super clubs getting bigger and bigger and more dominant. smaller clubs don't have a chance now.

now with the 6 super clubs in england, and only 4 champions league places it won't be long until the champions league is revamped again so suit the superclubs. or some sort of european super league is established. i'll give it 5 years max

>>76107199
Nah, I remember it was there since at least the 2000-01 season

>>76107162
the outcome would be the same, juve played endless finals during the 90s and early 2000s, favourites would still make it

>>76107170
I don't know. As a barça fan i think it's starting basically because there isnt a good manager. I thought the same when Luis Enrique was hired though.

But Guardiola years changed it all, not only for Barça but for Halal too.

Now the press stays away from the team, back then was a constant attack, there's some kind of style that you can always go to if something fails and fans are much less prompted to ask to sack everyone. Customers around the world allow to have more money. And there's Messi

It affected Halal too because they had bad years in terms of politics and that was so butthurt that they ended up spending a billion on a team. Back then when one was winning, the other one was shit, now are both fighting at the same time and it looks like it will be like that for a few years.

>>76107170
never, ever.

the big clubs are too powerful.

barcelona finished 6th in 2003.

something like that will, never, ever, ever, ever happen again.

>>76107270
I would like to see a European Super League.

But things aren't that bad, Leicester unironically won our league last year, and Red Bull came 2nd in Germany

>>76107170
by 2020

>>76107233
not sure about bayern since i've never really followed bundesliga or them in particular, but out of all the giants of football i would say that real madrid is the only team that was always at a high level. sure, they constantly failed in UCL from 2002 till 2014 but they've always been relevant in the league and pretty decent in europe. juve got relegated, lpool biggest achievement in last years is 2nd in the league and an UEL final, milan is absolute shit since they last won the cl, man united has about 3?4? seasons being shit.
can't really see real turning that bad anytime soon. also can't see barca turning that bad, but it's more likely to happen.

>>76107032
>I'm old because I remember Alan Shearer and Roy Makaay xD

Cute. I bet you never watched Eric Cantona live.

>>76107317
Would you say that after Messi's "era" is done barca will fall into a man united-like pit since Ferguson left?
I'm a Real fan(or customer, call me whatever the fuck you like) and can't really say I'm not biased but I've always felt like >we always have been great and barca only started their dominance since pep and messi

>>76107324
isn't man united a big enough club then? i'd say they're even bigger in some areas than barca yet they're still shit since ferguson left

>>76107032
Just because someone started following football seriously in the last few years doesn't make them automatically underage

>>76107354
All in all its all down to the players and management.

If Ronaldo had gone to Real and not been a success, I don't think they'd be at the level they are now. In the same way once BBBC retire for Juve and Allegri moves on , if a club like AC get the right investment they could take they're spot, Liverpool have one of the best young managers in the world atm, but will they sign an Aubameyang or a Nathan Redmond.. United, they're in a bad spell but still winning things, Mourinho feeds off negative energy, can they get the players in attack to supplement they're Stoic defending.

These are the factors that will dictate who's on top, there's alot of randomness

>>76107354
>not sure about bayern
They ended up playing in the Europa League in 2008

>Real Madrid
>pretty decent in europe
I guess so, aside from their six consecutive years getting eliminated in the round of 16.

>>76107395
Messi will create some sort of depression, who knows what player will be there and what condition. 10 years ago Barrça thought they were going to dominate for years with ronaldino, 2 years later he was sacked and gave his number to a 19yo kid that half of the world didnt know and signed a coach with no experience at all that everyone thought that was going to be sacked in less than a mont. So you can't say things for sure.

Halal won more trophies, was way more succesful in the domestic league during the 50-70 era with no doubt. But it started to change back then. What Barça has and Halal doesnt is the hability of destroy itself after winning something.

But if you are less than 30 you've seen more years of Barça dominance than Halals.

>>76107354

The german tap seems to be running dry with absolue shit like Rode being brought in

>>76107457
Ronaldo played a big part in Real's latest succes, but I'd say not as big as Messi did in Barca's last 10 years.
Juve needs to figure out their defense for the next seasons since it'll be pretty tough after BBBC retires, yes. I'd watch Serie A constantly if AC would get to their prime level, man I miss them.
>>76107460
Yeah had no idea about Bayern, my point stands including them.
As for Real's six consecutive eliminations in RO16, I'd say that's still better than not even making the groups or finishing third. That combined with somehow domestic succes it's pretty okay for a bad spawn of time.

>>76107378
no obviously not.

i'd kill myself if i was a 30 year old and still posting on 4chan.

>>76107484
>a 19yo kid that half of the world didnt know
Come on, everyone knew who Messi was after the 2007 season where he copied both of Maradona's most iconic goals and after his hat-trick against Real in that season.

>>76107521
Me too, really liked AC.

Roma are looking pretty good in Serie A atm tho

>>76107531
So then don't pull the oldfag card next time.

>>76107550

They've been absolute shit in Europe. Would expect more from Napoli desu

>>76107484
Messi is kind of a different story than Ronaldinho. He played for what, 5 years? He had a great input in barca's succes but with Messi it's a whole new thing. He started and will probably end his career at barca. The team that made Pep famous was purely amazing. That's why I'm thinking it may kind of collapse when he's done with football/barca.
I'm 24. Yeah, it's been a few painfull years to be a Real fan.

>>76107441
>Just because someone started following football seriously in the last few years doesn't make them automatically underage

but their opinion is automatically irrelevant tho.

>>76107032
>there are people here too young to remember ipswich town winning the league in 62
>there are people here too young to remember geoff hurst's hat trick in the 1966 world cup
>there are people here too young to remember uruguay winning the first world cup
>there are people here too young to remember when footballs were made out of ox testicles
>there are people here too young to remember when football didnt exist
>there are people here too young to remember when britain had a bunch of colonies
>there are people here too young to remember when William the conqueror won the battle of hastings
>there are people here too young to remember when hadridn built a wall to keep out the scots
>there are people here too young to remember when casear crossed the channel and attempted to subdue the brittanic tribes

YOU FUCKING YOUNG FAGGOTS DONT APPRECIATE OUR HISTORY DO UR RESEARCH REEEEEEEEE WHY DONT YOU REMEMBER EVERYTHING

>>76107550
>>76107578
Roma and Napoli seem(to me) as a 1(2, 3, whatever) season wonder. While AC has the potential to dominate football as they've done it before.

>>76106849
Second group stages look to me like the most balanced way of doing cups, I wish Libertadores would try this sometime since people in South America have no regards for their calendars anyway.

>>76107593
>11 year old detected

>>76107582
Not just Messi, him and Xaviesta are/were the best trio and core to a team ever. Hard to imagine them being bettered in the long distant future.

>people born in 1999 are 18 now
When will this stop?

>>76107661
Yeah that's what I meant with "the team" but couldn't really remember all the players and there were a few other greats like Puyol and such.

Football is changing so much. Its such a physical game now.

That's the reason you don't see many number 10's like there were back then, players like Rui Costa, Aimar, Sneijder, Kaka etc. They just don't have the space to play in

>>76107582
What i meant was that expectations or what i can think, specially being as pessimist as >we are, doesn't matter because there's always something.

And big clubs have ensured themselves enough money to always have something

>>76107378
>>76107566
>canadian
>implying he watched cantona

lmao

you started watching football in 2014 you lying cunt

>>76106872

Standard Liege is an absolute based club

Anderlecht always shames belgium when they go to Europe by getting BTFO everywhere, Standard actually played with heart and determination

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>>76107521
>I'd say that's still better than not even making the groups or finishing third.
I guess so, but at the moment it was terrible for Real especially since most of the other "greats" (Man Utd, Liverpool, Milan, Inter, Barcelona and Arsenal) were all doing really well in Europe.

Nobody could have foreseen most of those teams going to shit and our current era of Real/Barcelona/Bayern (and I guess now Juve)

>>76107593
the difference is i don't expose myself ignorant buffoon, because i already know plenty about the eras i wasnt old enough to watch.

there was somone in /fifa/ the other week who didn't know who jimmy greaves was. made me seething

>>76107697
Still much faster and technical than it used to be than say in the 80s - muddy pitches with everyone kicking the shit out of each other.

Deep lying midfielder becoming a specialised role more and more probably has a lot to do with the lack of classic number 10s. Look at how Kante completely shuts down anybody for example.

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>>76106936
>tfw no one remembers me

>>76106910
>Arsenal 3rd

>>76107324
You overestimate how competent the rich clubs are they let their teams turn into geriatrics without doing anything all the time

You now remember the Intertoto Cup

>>76107578
>>76107606
Roma and Napoli don't have the environment to be serious contenders, they are too obsessed with Juve to admit their mistakes and fix them. They need a lot of professionalism at every level if they want to be serious contenders.

>>76106849

gotta give Locomotiv Moscow some credit for even grabbing a point in that group

goddamn

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>Roma
some things never change

>>76107531
Might as well kill yourself now. Id rather be a newfag in my late 20s than posting on 4chan in my teens and early 20s when I could do whatever I wanted.

>>76106910

That Group B was probably stronger than Group A. Valencia was big in those years, they reached the CL Final in 2000 and 2001. And Ajax was still a big gun.

>>76107807
Why did that annoy you?

>>76106872
>Valletta
Ah yes, the 12-0 aggregate drubbings

>>76106936
>not mentioning prime time Juan Carlos Valeron


drop dead, you a fake nigga

>>76106936
>>76112095
>forgetting based Djalminha

GTFO

>>76107531

See you in a few years qt

>>76112100
Valeron is the big chief lad

>>76112110
Djalminha was their superstar, boy

>>76106849

That was fucking great as a Newcastle fan, we basically got an extra 4 CL games. Then we spent all the money on Woodgate who played about 20 games before leaving to become a Real Madrid legend.

>>76112159
Newcastle were fucking shit in the CL.

>>76112170

Uh, no sweetie.

>>76112177
Yes you fucking were. You never reached the knockout stages, were dumped out in the pre-group stages one season by Partizan.

You were shit.

>>76112207

>never reached knockout stages

Because there was a second group stage you retard

>>76112170
>>76112207
>madckem

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>>76106849
you now remember mourinho's inter

>7 years ago

>>76107717
Yeah anderlecht dont have the same standard

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Let's have a browse and Newcastle's "great" CL campaigns. kek

>>76112241

Looks solid to me senpai, they beat some good teams.

>>76112263
>getting knocked out in a qualifier by partizan
>winning only 11 of 24 cl games
>solid

Fucking thick bath snatcher Geordie

>>76112241

All things considered there's some alright results in there, you plastic.

>>76112281

It's the champions league, 11/24 wins is decent. They beat Barcelona and Juventus, you don't do that if you're shit.

>>76112285
>desperately trying to defend their shit cl record by pointing out a rare win against some decent side

Lel.

Newcastle in the CL were shit. The facts support that

>>76112296
>11/24 wins is decent.
No it isn't, it's dreadful hence why your CL campaigns were a fucking failure.

>They beat Barcelona and Juventus, you don't do that if you're shit
Once. You played Barca four times, lost 3 and won one.

Rubin Kazan beat Barcelona, Bremen beat Juventus. One result doesn't disguise the fact you were shit.

>>76112118

Djalminha was the La Liga Recoba. World class talent who could only be bothered to turn up once every 6 games.

>>76112218
ripip Chivu

>>76112343
>the opinion of a child with a dodgy memory

>>76112358
He's right though. Endless talent with 0 motivation or work-ethic. Pure hue.

It all ended when he headed Irureta instead of a ball

>>76112281
>>76112302
>>76112326
>its dreadful

no it isn't you absolute oddball. they got 50% win rate from 3 tough groups ns got results against Barcelona, Juventus and Inter along the way. pretty good record.

dont think you'll find one person on this board who agrees with you that tat is a "dreadful" record. trying to paint out that everyone who disagrees with you is a delusional Newcastle fan isn't going to work, champ

now clean up the spaghetti hoop stains from the front of your t-shirt you dribbling, angry mess.

>>76112412
>no it isn't you absolute oddball.
How fucking deranged are you, bath snatcher?

Lost 10 and won 11 of 24 games. Failed in a qualifier against Partizan Belgrade, didn't even get out of the first group in 1997. And you're desperately trying to convince us it's "solid".

If the only positive you have one win against Juve and one against Barca, the you really are a desperate silly bastard.

>>76112409
He was the best thing in Deportivo during his time there especially the year they won the league.

>>76112412
>they got 50% win rate from 3 tough groups
Also, 7 wins from 18 group games is not 50%, you simple cunt.

>>76112118
lol typical Brazilian flaky one season wonder who got replaced when the iconic Valeron arrived

>>76112438
No. Not even close.

Makaay and specially Diego Tristán were much more important, Mauro Silva was elite as an old-style DMF an Valerón did the same that Djalminha but without fancy tricks or being an asshole

>>76112428

At least 3 people have disagreed with you anon, maybe you just have higher standards than everyone else. Either way you are obsessed.

>>76112476
>one season wonder
Ah yes, confirmed child who was still in nappies in 2000/

>>76112488
Actually he was. He pretty much pulled the strings in that Deportivo team that won the league.

>Diego Tristán
Lel. He wasn't even at Deportivo when they won the league, you fucking tit.

>>76112516
A pathetic tripfag and two Geordies renowned for their inability to be reasonable and objective? Yes, you certainly showed me. kek. You'll be telling me Newcastle are the 8th biggest club in Europe again.

And tell me again how Newcastle were great when they were dumped out of a qualifier by a shit-tier Serbian outfit?

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>>76112541

>being this mad

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>>76112546
>being this deluded

We need to remove group stages and go back to European Cup style single elimination all the way

Sadly this means less money for the big clubs so it will never happen

>>76107170
Wait for the little midget to retire. 1CL without him, 4 with him

>>76112594
>We need to remove group stages and go back to European Cup style single elimination all the way
Why? What's wrong with the format now?

>>76107170
I doubt it. They're one of the most attractive clubs in the world, have huge revenues and far and wide supporter base. They could literally buy a successful team in the way their rivals have done

>>76112594
>We need to remove group stages and go back to European Cup style single elimination all the way
fixed draws left and right

>>76112348
>1 shot vs 26 shots 2nd leg
>only shot was chivu
>eto'o rwb
kek

>>76107162
>arsenal still get bayern

I'm putting money on Bayern winning Europa League to be honest, theres no way UEFA don't find a way to get Bayern playing Arsenal over 2 legs

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>>76107697
Nah, it's just that depending on 1 player to create play is easier to neutralize. We've been having GKs being rated on how they pass, that's the level we're at

>>76107032
It really is summer huh?

>>76107233
>Man United ... and Liverpool getting major titles again

I can easily see a Cusb tier drought with Laeverplop and Man United getting relegated and slogging along for decades

>tfw we don't live in the timeline where guidetti scores that chance

>>76112523
Big fan of how you can't let go of your childhood when the realization that the player you mindlessly idolised as you played Crash Bandicoot on the PSX isn't as good as you think he was.

>>76118403
At least I can remember him. You were too busy on your mummy's tit end.

>>76118403
>PSX

You mean PS1.

>>76118448
I like how your only defense mechanism is "no, he's good because I say so" and "haha, you're young" like that doesn't mean you're going to die sooner and I can still exploit my youth.


>>76118471
Yeah. But so many people called it PSX that it will do too.

>>76118724
Yeah, cos your argument against my view is so well thought out and compelling, you utter melt

>>76118761
And yet, you can't oppose it. Respect Valeron my nigga, kicked your donkey fraud of a superstar out of Galicia all the way to Vienna lmao, the dude barely even was a factor for Brazil

>>76119097
Nor can you oppose me. Every criticism you've levelled is just as applicable to yourself, you deluded child

>>76106910
This season

>>76119241
I'm not opposing you, you replied to me first. Therefore, you are the opposer, oldtimer. Ol' yeller backing a low-budget Denilson while Valeron gets respect from the greats, unreal

>you now remember Baraja and Vicente

>>76119553
>I'm not opposing you
So why are you sperging out then and getting upset because I pointed out Djalminha was tip top at Deportivo, while you claim he was a one season wonder?