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Euroleague 2017 Finals: Olympiacos vs Fenerbahce

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Predictions.
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how many bongs?
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>>76041672
when?
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>>76041672
any chance of Greeks enacting violent revenge on Turk fans?
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>>76041691
20:00 CET
http://www.euroleague.net/main/results/showgame?gamecode=263&seasoncode=E2016
>>76041715
Very probably. There already were several incidences so far.
By the way, several media have leaked that the sultan of turkey will be present in the court. That should be interesting.
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>>76041672
I don't really care who wins, just hoping it's going be an entertaining game.
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Here we go...
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>>76043078
It goes on both ways.
http://www.gazzetta.gr/basketball/article/1086873/ta-epeisodia-stin-poli-apo-ti-pleyra-ton-opadon-toy-olympiakoy-vids
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where 2 stream

never watched euro basketball or the NBA before but my new qt3.14 gf moved here from athens and wants to watch with me
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>>76041672
subhumans vs subhumans, hard to support anyone
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>>76043248
Agreed, but reaction does not hold the same moral responsibility as initiation of violence. Either way, the main responsible party are the authorities that let these fanatics "patrol" the streets. You have military people and tanks protecting the stadium but you can't ensure the safety of a few citizens? Even Obradovic asked Fener fans to stop harassing oly fans, and it's outrageous that he had to do so in the first place.


Anyway, enough about that. Regarding the match, I think it's nigh impossible for Oly to win against Obradovic, NBA-tier players, 17000 Turks and most likely the refs as well. The only positive prediction can be made based on regular season matches, where the Oly front line (Milutinov especially) forced Udoh to average 4.5 pts in 2 matches, showing that it's possible to stop him. On the other hand, Bogdanovic scored 27 pts on the istanbul match, so I think luck will make a difference in this one, because if Bogdanovic is on a good day, no defence can stop him. But the deciding factor, as always, will be how well Spanoulis plays. If he disappears from the beginning, it's looking grim.
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>>76043444
>Either way, the main responsible party are the authorities that let these fanatics "patrol" the streets.

turkish airlines own the euroleague, so there you got your answer.
As about your second part, yes pretty much for all those reasons the game's in favor for fener. The great thing about olympiaco's is the teamwork and the friendship among the players, more than half of them play for the Greek national team, so the know well how to take care each other. On the other hand, fener's players are mercenaries, each of his own.
Their main strategy would be heavy defence on Spanoulis, then aiming for pick and roll. Olympiacos has many more answers to just one player.
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>Fener's budget is 2 times higher
>they are playing on their home turf
>referees will be on their side
>easily dispatched of Real Madrid, who finished 1st in the regular season
>Erdogan will be present
Honestly, I don't see how we can win this. If we do though, it will be our greatest trophy yet.
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>>76043316
>where 2 stream
seconded, if one of you greeks finds me a stream i'll give olympiacos my energy
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>>76042118
>20:00 CET
for anyone else who had never done conversions on CET before, this is 3 pm EST
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>>76043316
>>76043816
Reposting from serbro's thread on friday's semifinal:

http://ifirstrow.eu/sport/basketball.html
http://www.stream2watch.cc/livenow/basketball/
http://www.rojadirecta.me/
http://maxtv.ml/index.html

I watched it from the last one.
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>>76043906
thx bro, here's your tip :3~~
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This third place game is so irrelevant.
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>>76045209
i mean, so are the eastern and western conference finals in the NBA this year. you're a real league now.
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Last year's highlights
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>>76046315
Fuck me i forgot about that

He caused trouble with a player right?
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>>76046750
Yeah, but I don't remember the reason.
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>CSKA up +21 already
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This game is even worse than NBA playoffs.
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>>76047200
The whole beauty of the F4 is that they are knockout games, you can feel the motivation and stress from both sides trying to win, you can see it when they gain momentum and when they make nervous mistakes. This 3rd place match has none of that, it might as well be a friendly match, there is no point to it.
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>>76047426
They still seem a bit stressed though
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>>76047677
Real? They're just shit in this final 4, I don't think it has anything to do with stress. Yesterday they simply weren't concentrated/didn't have motivation to win except for Llull and maybe Carroll/Randolph.

But even if they were stressed now, they have nothing to win. Their mindset and feelings don't matter to the viewer.
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It's madness. There like 200 places in Turkey like this to watch the game. It seems it's more important than the world Cup finals.
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>>76041672
Does the winner take control of Istanbul?
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>mfw someone thinks greekshits stand a chance tonight
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For some reason Turks think this win is a national victory that validates their conquest of Constantinople. Shit's crazy.
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>>76047986
Do people there view it as a Turkey vs Greece final?
Also, what do fans of Besiktas think about this game?
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Too bad basketball is going to die in Europe in less than 10 years

This whole Uleb/FIBA is going to destroy this little dignity that this game has.

and China is taking over basketball fast pace.
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>>76048112
Calm down senpai i don't think anyone thinks like that

Unless you are talking about underage youtube commenters and fener ultras
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>>76048363
China? How?
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>>76048075
I thought he was wearing a pepe shirt.
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>>76048363
There is no way bball dies in EU - it's too loved in southeast EU for it to ever be irrelevant
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>>76048401

They are investing big time in basketball, look at how much ex-nba players are making there.

We have couple of players/coaches there as well and they say China is crazy about basketball.
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>>76048363
Didn't this go down in 2000 as well ?

EU basketball has been steadily increasing in popularity lately, it has to be more competitive though. Only like 4 teams compete for the trophy nowadays, and 2-3 others for the final four.
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>>76048467
Only ex-players go there, no one that can actually play at the top level will ever go to china to play
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>>76048436

Yeah but it'll be weaken, we have like 5 different competitions for international clubs + our players that played in ULEB Euroleague are banned(or just won't be able to play) in FIBA EuroBasket next year.
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>>76048362

Yes people think it's turkey vs Greece. Beşiktaş, Galatasaray doesn't matter, they support fenerbahçe except some groups.
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>>76048524
This
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>>76048547
What is the consensus on the fact that Fenerbahce uses no Turk players? Does anyone bring that up or do they just not give a damn? It's kinda weird since you say they see it as Turkey vs Greece.

Also I read that the Besiktas coach said he admired the Olympiacos model and wants Turkish teams to build their base with native players.
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FUCK muslim shits

GO Greeks!
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>>76048658
Can't wait for ikibey to show up here
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>>76048759
Has he ever been to /sp/?
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>>76048640

Those groups that I mentioned say this is not a Turkish team. Although big amount of supporters dont give a fuck bout that.
And Turkey vs Greece is a special competition for us. It wouldn't be that big game if it was cska or real.
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>>76048875
I haven't seen him here.
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>>76048891
Fair, thanks for the info.

Do you follow Turkish basketball at all or just NBA?
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>>76048547
I'm Olympiakos. I hate Panathinaikos if it was Panathinaikos vs a turkish team I would like the turks to win rofl. idgaf. any other greek team I would root for.
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>>76048981
http://www.gazzetta.gr/basketball/article/1086915/kali-epityhia-zeliko-eisai-enas-apo-emas-pic

kek
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I'm trying to follow all European teams. But only NBA playoffs or just finals.
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>>76048998

>gets wrecked in the Playoffs
> return with bus
>"We're with you Zeliko"

Panathinaikos ultras are true cucks
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Well, that was a proper thrash, +24 pts.

On another note, will the Sultan make it to the final?
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>>76049002
NBA playoffs this year are total shit anyway, euroleague is the way to go if u are EU the playoffs had good games and the final four has been great so far
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>>76049076
probably no, it he were it would be bigger news

Hope he does though, it will only make our eventual victory sweeter.
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How many will he score tonight /sp/?
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>>76049283
He will score only a winning buzzer beater three pointer, just to get glorified by every cuck fan who can't see that Printezis does all the difficult job.
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>>76049283
5 points and we get thrashed
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>>76049391
Last game it was Mantzaris and Papanikolaou who did most of the work, not Printezis. Also it wasn't Printezis that made those 3 drives right before the impossible 3 pointer.

Also, apparently this 3rd place game was Nocioni's final Euroleague appearance ever.
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>>76049441
Wasn't talking about the semi final, but usually Printezis does it all, especially on the Greek finals
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>>76049526

Printezis was injured last year but his low post game in general is quite the unlocker

It won't be the same tonight as it will be easy to set up traps for him, but I anticipate some alternative route
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>>76049526
You're joking, right? Last year's finals was all Spanoulis, he had an incredible series and that's not counting the game-deciding shots he made 3 games in a row. MAYBE if you're talking about far past finals, maybe. You can say many things about Spanoulis, overrated is not one of them. And that doesn't count against Printezis' contribution, everyone knows he's the co-leader of the team, rightfully so.
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>>76049624
I just think Spanoulis is underperforming on important matches
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DESU there's no way Oly would beat CSKA in a 5 or 7 game series. They just had a fluke night.
Which means I'm not gonna be satisfied untill Fener beats CSKA in the final.
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>>76049733
He didn't underperform in 2012 semi, 2013 final, or 2015 and 2017 semis. Yes, he underperformed in 2012 and 2015 finals. The conclusion from this is that Spanoulis is an incosistent player. Sometimes he does things no other player can do, other times he just makes naive mistakes and fucks over the team. But overall, he's the person that lifted Olympiacos from obscurity and made us a winning team. He's done so much for the team that fans justifiably excuse his bad appearances. More so now that he's old and his poor performances become more often. But IMO, he's doing quite well for his age, Navarro and Diamantidis never did the things he achieved at this old age, he's still making history for fuck's sake.
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>>76049883
What do people think of Enes Kanter right now?
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>>76049883

How do you like the salary cap btw? CSKA coach Itoudis wishes that NBA styled Playoff series were in effect for the champion, and I can see why he'd do that. CSKA is hoarding tons of money without having to face heavy taxation on players for instance

There's one way to demotivate low budget teams and that is through giving huge advantage to teams that offer more money. Can't see it workin' easily.
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>>76049911
People think he's a scrub who can't play defense for shit.
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>>76043444
turks are scum, but so are greeks and I'll never pity them for whatever could happen to them, considering all the shit they did in the past and are still doing every now and then
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>>76049929
Final four is a way better way than series desu, more drama witha a final four, good for the funs

Itoudis is a shore loser desu, i don't remember him saying anything bad about f4s when he was in panathinaikos and was wining every other year
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>>76049893
>spanoulis underperformed in the 2012 final
nah he didn't, he scored 15 points and he was our second scorer. He also gave the assist to printezis.

He was terrible in the 2015 final though, I'll give you that, and in Greek league finals, until 2 years ago.
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>>76049929
>Ηττούδης
Right, he didn't say anything when he won the Euroleague last year. Also this F4 format is much better and more intense than playoff series, let's keep it that way.
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>>76049970

Much agreed, the way he behaved exactly after the semi final was meme worthy. He kinda lost much dignity after all the debacle.

Not like I value him much myself, but that's another story. I genuinely find Bartzokas a better coach compared to Itoudis who has only had stacked teams
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>>76049974
Fuck, must've confused it with the semi with Barca, but even in that game he scored the most decisive 3pt in the end. You're right, my bad.
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>>76041672

i hope both of them kill each other
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>>76049929
Teams wont start investing unless they think they wont be having any chance winning the title.
This elemination system is fucked up. Even fucking Brose Baskets would win it if they have a lucky night.
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>>76049883
now I'm hungry
>>76049893
>us
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>>76049946
Nobody plays defense in nba
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>>76050015
>even brose baskets would win it

Quarterfinals and regular season make it sure that good teams make it to the semis.

As if the NBA conference finals are more interesting this year.
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>>76048467
m8, Chinese love basketball, the NBA has an office there that runs on a 2 billions $ budget, some sugardaddy are massively investing in it, but the level is abysmal

it has been the same for more than a decade and there no progress at all

they have undred of thousands 7 footers and they can't do any shit with them, their NT died the day Yao Ming retired

all the foreign coaches (Giannakis, Don Nelson's son) said they couldn't do any shit because their PGs are beyond any salvation

basketball is a collective sport where individuals have high responsabilities and often must take over the action or the game, and as such it's deeply incompatible with far-east Asia general mindset, as well as many other collective sports like handball or divegrass
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Here we fucking go. Hope we have a good match.
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stream pls
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They speak English worse than Tsipras does, ffs
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>>76050159
>>76043906
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>>76050169

any streams in english?
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>>76050015
Salary cap wont work.
Greek scums are so nationalistic and emotional faggots who refuse money for the fucking club name.
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>>76050015
I guess you would have been very sad in the 90's when team like Joventut Badalona, CSP Limoges, Partizan Belgrad or Zalgiris Kaunas were winning titles, and teams like PAOK, AEK, Ljubjlana or ASVEL were playing in F4.

In the last decade, F4s have only been 3 teams amongst CSKA/Real/Barca/Pana/Oly/Maccabi + 1 team having a meme year every now and then like Partizan, Malaga or Vitoria
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>>76050203
http://live.robinwidget.org/streamvideo8/fenerbache-vs-olympiacos-live-stream-live-stream-1479313.html
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>That start
well fuck
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>>76050206
>>76049929
meant to
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is this on american tv? NBA TV usually shows these games but they're showing a fucking cavs-celtics replay.
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>>76050206
it would never work because of the different taxations depending on the countries, the massive differences in financial opacity and funding between countries, and the fact some teams have political protection from any failure because of their popular importance. Do you really think Oly, Galatasaray, Real or Partizan would be allowed to fail due to debts? They can do any shit they like without any risk.
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MAKE ISTANBUL CONSTANTINOPLE AGAIN
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apparently Erdogan didn't show up because the Euroleague committee wouldn't give him 500 seats for his personal guard kek
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>>76050219

thanks lad
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working stream

http://maxtv.ml/channels/sport/sk/sk.html
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English stream:

ttp://ifirstrow.eu/sport/basketball.html

http://www.stream2watch.cc/livenow/basketball/
http://www.rojadirecta.me/
http://maxtv.ml/index.html
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>tfw got into basketball this year
>only yuro teams are from the med

pls maek basketbol bigger in uk so we haev team to
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>>76050315
Only Spain has competitive teams both in football and basketball
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>only 2 turks in the fenerbahce starting lineup
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>>76050315
there's technically a team representing the queen's commonwealth in the toronto raptors :3???
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OH SHIT MY NIGGA JAN

GO JAN TEAM
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>>76050370
>2 turks
there's non dumass
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wtf printezis
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>>76050286
Why is he such a little bitch?
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>those free 3pt shots
this defence is not working
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odds fenerbahçe wins
evens olympiacos wins
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>>76050433
rip olympiacos
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>Anthony Bennett, former 2013 first overall pick of the cavs, is on Fenerbahce
wew
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Brat Kalina

B
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K
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>>76050407

there are 2
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>>76050481
Fener's bench

he doesn't play lol
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>>76050407
even mahmutoglu is bosnian
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>>76048019
Mersiiiiiiinnnnn
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>>76050493
they won't play, or barely a few minutes at best

it would take unbelievable circonstances for them to have any relevant gametime
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>>76050511
oh rip
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kill bill is doing ok so far, thank god
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>Fenerbahce has a Bogdanoff

sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeiiiit
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>>76050568
Kek
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when's the commercial break. i need to take a shit.
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Who are the top 5 players in this game?
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Refree is shit
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>>76050610
There is no break in European basketball, sorry mate :/ You have to wait for 2 more hours.
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>>76050610
there's no commercial break

much less, at least

actually, it's quite nice to not have the last 5 minutes of a game lasting 45 minutes because of infinite "20 seconds" timeouts
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>>76050617
Ekpe
Bogdanovic
Spanoulis
Printezis
Datome
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Fucking Kalinic man, 4 3pointers already.
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That hairy Italian boi
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>>76050652
Kalinic over Datome, easily. He's got 12 fucking points already.
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>>76050610
the Erdogan execution break will happen if Fenerbahce start losing
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>Shitnoulis
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fuck kalinic and fuck serbian people
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Horrible 1st period. 26 points is very high for Oly def. If they don't improve the defence, it's all over.
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>>76050687

>serbs are ottoman vassals once again

pottery
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>>76050679
>Kalinic over Datome, easily. He's got 12 fucking points already.

that's just one game my brit fella
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Fener will win

would have wanted Pana vs Oly final but turks wanted this to be their year
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Hahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahaahahahahasjskaakajahahagaagajajajagaahahahakakakskskjakjaskajhahahhahahah*braaaaaaap*


Olympiak...hahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahaahahahahasjskaakajahahagaagajajajagaahahahakakakskskjakjaskajhahahhahahah hahahahahahahahahahahahhahah
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>>76050733
>le turk rapebaby
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>>76050714
reminds me of the 2013 final, real had a 20 point advantage at the end of the 1st period back then
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>>76050617

Bogdan Bogadnovic, will play for the Kings season

Nikola Milutonov , will play for the Spurs next season

Spanulis, one of the best typical euro pgs, master of flop.

Most of the rest of them are ex-nba players
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>>76050722
>brit
lol

Kalinic had an unreal series in playoffs and in this final my man. Datome had a mediocre year overall. No comparison.
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>>76050746
*teleports behind you*
Nothing personal kiddo
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>>76050687
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>>76050687
t. olympiakos turk rape baby
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>>76050747
I don't think it can be done, not in this crowd anyway, and Obradovic has prepared Fener too well to choke.
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>>76050763
Dixon is an ex pro B player

I doubt the Spurs will take Milutinov as it is.
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this nigga right here, he's one of the good ones
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>>76050799
Pau and LMA are garbage, there is still some hope for Nikola
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COME ON OLYMPIAKOS
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>Milu
YES
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any future nba players besides bogdanoff playing here?
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Udoh and Kalinic haven't sat on the bench since the beginning of the match
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Fucking Datome, get your shit together!
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fucking sloukas not performing intentionally
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>>76050834
yeah, but they're still under contract, and they'll get 35 millions $ together in the next season, so they'll have a hard time to get rid of them
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>>76050886
No one eur*league is shit
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http://www.strawpoll.me/13013130
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>>76050886
Milutinov was drafted.

Agravanis could sparks some interest to some franchises too.
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DONT SHOW OUR QTS YOU FUCKS!!!!!
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Wtf spanoulis
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Euroleague: basketball for whites
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>>76050977
that'd be the Utah Jazz, actually.
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wow bogdanoff is too much for yurop
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>vesley
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Their 3pt accuracy is getting annoying
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lmao wtf was that
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Goddamn it...

Can some Turk translate the songs fener fans are singing?
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>>76051009
u mad fukboi? ;)
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>>76051020
Sory my english is shit
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>>76051020
>vura vura vura, kıra kıra kıra, şampiyonluk için, saldır kanarya
hitting hitting hitting, breaking breaking breaking, for the championship, attack canary (canary being the mascot animal)

didn't hear any others yet
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gg we lost
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>game already over

redpill me on which euroleague team I should follow next season
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>Greek commentators talking about refball
Hahahahaha
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>>76051050
a-are you a potato turk?
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>>76051053
Yeah, if they don't make 3pts shots like Fener does this deficit is insurmountable, Fener is much better at defence than CSKA.
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>>76051078
>game already over
>olympiakos is playing

pick one
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>>76051078
Dacka if they can keep their staff and key players
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>>76051078
Vitoria
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>>76051096
kebab student on potato island.
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is obradovic the pop of the euroleague?
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>>76051129
This , 2nd most patrician team after olympiakos
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>>76051135
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>>76051148
yes
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>>76051148
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%BDeljko_Obradovi%C4%87
>He is generally considered one of the best European coaches ever, having won eight EuroLeague titles with four different teams. His list of professional titles won is unmatched by any other current European head coach.

>Revered San Antonio Spurs head coach Gregg Popovich, has been a longtime admirer of Obradović's coaching style, frequently praising him[12][13] and admitting to "stealing his plays".
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>>76051148
either him or krzyzewski
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U0y9YNrkn0Q
>this triggers gayreek

By the way who the fuck cares b*sketball
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>that lucky buzzer beater
Topkek.
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>>76051148
there are quite a few Pop in Euroleague

people usually tend to describe Euroleague as being coach driven and NBA as players driven

it's not really a good thing though, as they often tend to kill the crativity of their players

Euroleague's coach wet dream is to have 12 players playing 16 minutes per game and being 8pts 3rbds 2assists

not that the extreme ballhoging and heroball you often see in NBA is better, though

Spurs 2014 was the best of 2 worlds: great emphasis on collective and coaching while letting the players express all their skills and creativity
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who /supporting olympiakos/ here?

Fener is not a Turkish team, they literally play 0 Turkish players so I don't feel bad for not supporting them. At least Olympiakos has Greeks playing
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I wonder how this game would end if fener had Honeycott instead of Nunally
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ı am greek
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>>76051215
this triggers the turkroach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImPDI_00IUc
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If these two teams moved to the US they'd be the worst teams in the NBA.
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>>76051256
Me thq, exactly for that reason.Besides butthurt of fener and obra fans would be of epic proportions.
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>>76051271
prove it
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>>76051295
we'd beat the nets tbqh
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>>76051295
no shit nigger. NBA rejects like Udoh and Vesely are stars here
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>>76051333
Όχι
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>>76051256
hi~!
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>>76051319
I also love how Fener fans go "m-muh basketball" now since their football team is shit
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>>76051281
Why would this trigger the turkroach?
penaldo may be
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>>76051281
>portugal vs gayreece
why should i triggered you dumb gayreek
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>>76051364
Just like Oly fans
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>>76051364

Nah Turkish fans are quite up for Basketball. Maybe you just realised it.
The turkish Football league will be a top 6 soon, already being a top 10 and big money on the table.
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>>76051387
>>76051376
because we have 1 european trophy
you have zero

who cares about a shitty qualifier game :^)
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>>76051295
true, european basketball hasn't thus far find any solutions to your apes athletic abilities
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>>76051295
not sure about worst, but they wouldn't do well that's for sure

CSKA and Real Madrid are another story though

in the Euroleague finals, you don't necessarily see the most consistently good teams, just the ones that were good for 1 game and made it to th final (final 4 has no 7-game series, just knockouts)
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>>76051396

>any Greek football club
>good

Έχει kαι play off
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>>76051387
because laughing at Turks is as fun in Greece as laughing at Greeks in Turkey.
both for shiet thats irrelevant.
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>>76051401
well, we played a semi-final in 2008
it was such a clutch and fun tournament
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>>76051346
>drawing an horizontal one piece logo somehow will convince anybody you're greek
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Why turks hools uses knifes and attack normal fans while greek hools were walking in Istambul?
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>>76051078
none, follow our volleyball league instead :^)

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAjh7r-m50bUzmnj1RanQtQ/videos
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>>76051396
our football team is shit but the others are even worse tbqh

this year we had the worst players we have ever had, changed around 5 coaches, refball was against us all year long, and still won the league comfortably.
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>>76051400
I know, it's always been the #2 sport in Turkey. It's just Fener fans pretend like winning the euroleague is more important than winning the football league, which isn't true.

They are just mad because Beşiktaş is dominating the football league and will continue to do so in the coming years. They basically won the league today

Fener fans are also known for pretending like womens basketball or volleyball matters
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>>76051409
Reaching a Final Four should be considered enough. At least for Olympiakos and it's budget that's the smallest than any top 8 team I guess, It's considered a success to just reach F4.
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>>76051466

Sounds like Panathinaikos and Aek fans.
Who make fights and open fires in a fckin women volley. Fcking pathetic.
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>>76051466
I'm a Gala fun but fuck Turkish League title
EL is way more prestigious
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>>76051465
Don't forget you got raped by based Abou's BBC
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>>76051466
winning an international cup for the first time in basketball is more important than winning the national football league for the xth time.
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>>76051512
Oh god don't remind me, easily our most embarrassing european performance in recent times, conceading 4 to a 10-man besiktas.
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>>76051533

>Ireland
>basketball thread

something smells fishy
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>>76051509
>>76051533
Just like how GS won the eurochallenge or whatever last year and everyone cared so much, right?

Vakıfbank has been winning volleyball champions league title for years, nobody really gives a shit.

It's sad but winning the football title will always be more important.
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>>76051474
>Reaching a Final Four should be considered enough
Not necessarily, Oly was consistently good throughout the season, they got 3rd place. The small budget just makes it all the more impressive.

PAO had more wins than Fener but Fener played good for 3 games and thrashed PAO, and that was that. And then anything goes in the Final 4. Baskonia could've made it against CSKA too if it wasn't for the refs.

I'm not speaking against this system, I love it the way it is, I'm just saying that the teams that make it to F4 and the final are not necessarily the best throughout regular season. NBA makes it more difficult because weak teams have to go through multiple game series to reach the final.
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>>76051428
>>76051465
You had a pretty good team before 2010
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>>76051568
he's turkish, we covered his origin a little further up
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>>76051455
In 1993, Oly's fan drove from Athens to the middle of France with a dead fan in their bus without giving a fuck. They're not really better.
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>>76051569
euroleague is champions league equivalent of basketball
So, your analogy doesn't work
eurochallenge isn'T even uefa cup tier
BJK also won such a cup, I'm a BJK supporter and I don't even remember what it was called
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>>76051568
i'm actually kebab

>>76051569
you're talking about what turkish football care about. fenerbahçe and galatasaray has always had a solid fanbase for non-football branches, especially fenerbahçe. winning basketball or volleyball is also more important for international prestige, especially for teams with more than one branch, as it creates international recognition.
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>>76051619
>turkish football care about
sorry, meant what turkish football fans care about.
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>it's a Murat Kosova screams uncontrollably and whines about refs episode
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>>76051585

Η ομάδα του Μίτσελ ήταν αρkετά kαλή στην Ευρώπη.

Επίσης η ομάδα του Βαλβέρδε το 2012 ήταν kαλή
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>>76051667
tbf he had a point in most of those
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>>76051508
>aek
Who?
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>that vesely shot
The gods themselves want Fener to win.
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>Vangelis
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BASED MANTZARIS
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>>76051609
>>76051619
True, I know it's important and I like watching basketball more than football but if you ask most fans, they'd much rather prefer winning the league than euroleague.
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If singles olympiakos wins
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Spanoulis playing like shit as always
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>>76051777
wew
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>>76051777
jej
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>>76051777
>3 singles
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>>76051777
Hahaha, based
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>>76051777
noice
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>>76051777
Holy shit what i have done
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>>76051777
>>76051816
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>>76051798
ib4 hits contested game winner
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>>76051742
normally this is true, but for this game people seem to be in a nostalgic, national pride mood, with all the public screenings all over and what not.

>>76051777
god bless.
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>Printezis and Spanouls are shit
Of all days, why today.
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>>76051816
>French humour
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I hate Datome and his stupid hipster beard and hair so much. He even hangs out in the most hipster places in Istanbul.

fucking hipster faggot god damn I loathe his ass
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pretty cool to have a real atmosphere after watching several weeks of NBA "make some NOOOOOIIIIIIIIISE D-FENCE" playoffs
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Fucking traitor
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>>76041672
If Fenerbache win I get ~200$. Fuck off Spanoulis with your clutch shit.
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the prodigal son strikes hard
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this is like watching a warriors game where every fucking 3 they take goes in
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>>76051951
M A D
A
D
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>>76051931
i know right, american sports themselves are very entertaining, but american audiences are like tv show audiences, or even worse, like canned laughter.
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>>76051992
anon this is nowhere near the style of a warriors game
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>>76051836
that's why he will never be an elite player.
You can never play in big leagues by just playing a few good minutes in the game.
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>>76051982
>implying you put $1000
>without any proof
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milutinov looks nice
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>>76052069
When did I imply i put 1000$?
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>>76051931
>>76052005
a real issue with this is that stadiums are retarded with the noise level and constant music playing in the past couple decades. basketball should be treated like football with nothing but an announcer but its constant loudspeaker bullshit at NBA games
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it's ogre
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>>76052099
1.2 je kvota ovde bila.

Ili si stavio 1000, ili ne znas da se kladis
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well, thanks for trying I guess
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>>76052174
Ili sam se kladio na jos 5 drugih parova i ostao mi je jos samo fener. I tu je 1.45 na fener.
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3 missed layups
Ffs
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inb4 Oly comes back in 4th quarter and wins as usual
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>>76052174
>>76052233
Speak human
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good game greeks
maybe next time
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>>76052266
Haha, no. They don't play against CSKA.
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>>76052266
Fener isn't CSKA. This defence is monstrous, Oly can't crack it. They stood a chance if they cut down on the deficit, but 13 pts is too much. Fener is infuriatingly accurate from 3pt line.
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>>76052118
the american public, from what i've seen and heard, expects to be a customer on every occasion and isn't willing to take initiative in entertainment. sad really.
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Fuck spanoulis
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Fener is actually a Balkan mix team
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can any of these teams beat an nba team
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>>76052343
He isn't even the worst today at least he has 6pts and 6 assists, Printezis on the other hand is horrible.
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>>76052233
Onda se kaze da cekas Fener za neku sumu,
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EKPE GOING BEAST MODE HOLY SHIT
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Freaking Udoh blocks mang
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Ekpe is like playing against some kindergarden kids
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does pero antic wear eye make-up? his eyes are always so dark.

>>76052400
occasionally maybe, but they'd have no chance of success in the nba.
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>>76052400
knicks and clippers maybe
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Dubs and olympiacos wins
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i don't care if they're a turkish club, obradovic is my favorite basketball related person ever. FUCKING GOAT
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>>76052566
JESUS CHRIST ALREADY, ARSLAN
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Fuck this 3pointer memechucking. I now understand why /nba/ keeps moaning.
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>>76052566
KEK HAS SPOKEN
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>>76052566
the trips from before override the dubs, sorry.
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>>76050433
>>76051777
>>76052566
Scriptfag
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>10/19 3pointers
You can't win against this.
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Spanoulis and printezis cost us this match
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>>76051583
Honestly though, Pao-fener was not such a "WOW" outcome. We re talking about teams 4th and 5th and Fener is a more decent team with a far more decent coach.
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>>76052636
Lol believe it or not it's all me and it's just luck
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>even Antic scoring 3 pointers
Is the game scripted like FIFA?
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chokelimpiakos strikes again

they will lose the greek finals aswell
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>>76052698
I wish I could believe you
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how come ekmek udoh didn't win the defender of the season award?

also, these motherfucking 3 pointers man, wew.
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>>76052662
Win with them, lose with them. They can't always perform at their peak, especially when Obradovic has adapted his defence on keeping them down.
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What went wrong
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>implying Oly even had any chance
I repeat Fener is no champions unless they beat the CSKA
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*sighs of relief*
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>>76052732
You a team's fan that was thrashed 3-0 from this Fener.
Or a team's fan that lost to monaco?
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>>76052732
We (>) can't get past AEK currently, that's a reach.
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>>76052759
Never had a chance, really. Budget is too low and Fener has literally everything going for them. The fact that they made it this far is impressive by itself.
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>1/10
>spalelis

kek
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>>76052754
Obradovic knows them well from Pao.
Id say coach lost this, leaving Kalinic so much space early in the match.
Add the fact that Fener are playing at home.

Its 2014 all over again. Playing a F4 at madrid vs Madrid.
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>>76052834
Yeah, very bad luck for Oly to reach finals against home teams twice.
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>>76052826
>Turkish team
>literally zero(0) Turks played in the Final Four
???
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If Obra wins this, will he become the GOAT coach in all of history?
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>>76052400
CSKA and Real would fight for a playoff spot in the eastern conf I think. The others would occasionally beat NBA teams but would just be at the very bottom.

Anyway it's really hard to make a good estimate because of the rules differences. I don't remember any European team beating an NBA franchise under NBA rules.

>>76052662
Spanoulis cost as many games as he won for Oly. Just live with it. People tend to remember only the games he won, though.
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>>76052905
come in belgium turkroach, i will stab one of your fans to death i swear to god motherfucker
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>>76052884
Fener is an Ottoman team, with Ottoman players like Sloukas, Bogdan, Antic
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>>76052952
>lelgium
not even a real country
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>>76052761
Cry more
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it's officialy over
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>>76052884
reclaiming old ottoman borders desu.
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>>76052952
wow so hardcore
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>>76052884
>who is Bobby Dixon
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>>76052994
then why are disgusting turkroaches like yourself all come here ? i hope we will genocide turkroaches one day :)
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>>76052905
I'll consider him GOAT only if he decides to take a smaller team and bring it to the title, instead of just coaching superteams with infinite budgets.
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>that fluke
lel

>>76053046
because cucked euro-governments give free payouts and euro women prefer turks because euro men are effeminate pussies.
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>>76053132
Didn't he casually destroy CSKA and the likes with much smaller budgets when he was at PAO?
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It's ogre, gg wp
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>>76053132
>who is Pana
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>>76053182
Oly did it with much smaller budgets too. Obradovic imo is one of the best ever, but he only works with already established teams, and puts them to the top.
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>Anthony Bennet is now a champion

HE IS NOT A BUST
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>>76053182
You are confusing him with Diamantidis and Batiste
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>>76053182
PAO was nowhere near a small team and a small budget.

Well, CSKA was not in the same dimension as the rest, indeed, but the players they had were not especially better than PAo's ones. It's just that they paid them twice the price for no reason just because they could.

And anyway, it's impossible to really estimate Greek teams' budgets, way too much opacity.
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>>76053179
nice memes, my "irish" friend
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hello what is going on itt
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>>76052575
I still don't understand why your countrymen treated him so shitty earlier this year
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAk3vEC35fo
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>Bennett being given pity gametime
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>>76053296
It was in 2011
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>>76052905
I don't think anyone is really good honestly but he is certainly by far the best coach right now.
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Thank you Fenerbahce!

ATA's team..
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>>76053182
>PAO
>small budget
top kek

Their budget was much higher than Olympiakos's budget today, and olympiakos has managed to reach the final 5 times (winning it twice) in the past 8 years with average coaches
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>>76053413
:3
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>>76053132
he already did that back in 1992, their average age was 21. this will be his 9 euroleague title and he has two world cup golds, two olympic silvers, one eurobasket gold and one eurobasket bronze, and god knows how many league titles with a different clubs in different countries. no one even comes close.
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>>76053255
Do not compare what Olympiacos has achieved with what PAO has achieved.

While what both have done is monumental, Olympiakos had a great dose of luck in both F4, while Panathinaikos was always greeted with the worst possible refereeing against CSKA.
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>>76053413
ATAM ATAM SEN KALK BEN YATAM
>>
Well-deserved win for Fener, miles and away the best Euroleague team ever since the playoffs. Congrats.
>>
ObraGOAT

Fuck Fener. Olympiakos more Turkish than this Fener. Probably they have some Anatolian migrants at least.
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>>76053435
Αnd smaller than Olympiacos budget at the same time you fucking genius.
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>>76053457
Obradovic is the luckiest coach in existence ffs, he has won 5 euroleague titles with a difference of less than 2 points
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>>76053449
one world gold and one olympic silver was as a players, just to clarify.
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>a team of international mercenaries winning
>somehow this is a turkish team

yeah, nah.
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>>76053348
Red Star and Partizan fans are like Fener/Besiktas fans

Red Star fans got cocky past couple of years because our Erdogan is Red Star fan, and ever since he came to the power in Serbia (2012) they won 5 titles in a row and have nice financial aid from the state.

They baited him at the game, and Obradovic fell for it, after the match he said that he is bigger Serb than all of them are(which is true) and now that became shitty meme.
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>>76053040
Not a Turk
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>>76053556
it's an ottoman team
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>>76053556
Well, your players aren't even allowed to get in the country
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>>76053556

isn't this true for basically every somewhat popular club team in europe now? lel
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>>76053435
Can you remind me what was the annual salary of Childress?
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>>76053561
Hardcore fans truly are the worst.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Željko_Obradović#Coaching_achievements
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>>76053639
>Olympiacos' budget today
>Talks about Childress
>The budget of pre-2012 euroleague winning Olympiacos is somehow relevant to Oly's euroleague victories from 2012 and after
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>>76053637
nah olympiakos had like 4 greeks in their starting 5
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obradovic would be GOAT even in nba
>>
Ekpe Udoh

NBA bust to Euro league Finals MVP.

Beautiful story. Fuck Anthony Bennett tho.
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>>76052428
Ispalio si se, ne seri, pokrij se usima.
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Post cute Turkish boys
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>>76053728
No way NBA players would accept the way Obradovic treats his slaves. He would be fired in pre-season for pissing out whatever 20 millions $ contracts guys the franchise has.
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>>76053348
as the anon before me said, it's just a rivalry between clubs.
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>>76053830
This thing legitimately scares me.

If I saw this thing in real life I'd legitimately try to hide from it.
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>>76053811
Glup si.
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>>76053842
lmao he was still shouting at players at the end of this game even tho they were up by 20. Imagine him doing that to Lebron or something
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>>76053842
kek, this
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>>76053561
t. Salty Grobar
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>>76053905
Ruckaj sendvic
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can Udoh play in the nba?
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>>76053876
Don't be afraid anon :3
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>>76050047
im willing to put money that the worse NBA team would beat any euro team
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>doesn't play a single minute
>lifts the cup

fucking melih mang..
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>>76053958
I think he can, but only as a bench player.

He doesn't want that and signed with the Turkish team instead of a NBA team as a third string center.

Still a bust tho.
>>
Imagine being Dimitris Diamantidis in that Finals series and having to be all like "damn, Spanoulis, you fuckin' fine, all clutch with your tight 3point shots and horrific bald head. I would totally admit you're on the same level as me, both as a player and as a person." when all he really wants to do is rest as a champion in his bathroom. Like seriously imagine having to be Diamantidis and not only play in that match while Vasilis Spanoulis flaunts his disgusting travelling in front of you, the favorable referees barely concealing his shameless cheating and luck, and just sit there, quarter after quarter, overtime after overtime, while he perfected that game winning shot. Not only having to tolerate his monstrous fucking flopping but his haughty attitude as everyone on the bench tells him he's STILL GOT IT and DAMN, VASILIS SPANOULIS PLAYS LIKE THAT?? because they're not the ones who have to sit there and watch his vlach fucking gremlin face contort into types of grimaces you didn't even know existed before that day. You've been having nothing but a healthy diet of Doubles and Triple Crowns and later alleged referee victims for your ENTIRE CAREER coming straight out of the boonies in Piraeus. You've never even seen anything this fucking disgusting before, and now you swear you can taste the sweat that's breaking out on his dimpled armpits as he sucks it in to writhe it suggestively at you, smugly assured that you are enjoying the opportunity to get paid to sit there and revel in his "refuse-to-lose (for that is what he calls himself)" attitude, the attitude he worked so hard for with sub-par opponents in the previous seasons. And then the coach calls for another time-out, and you know you could kill every single person in this court before the studio security could put you down, but you sit there and endure, because you're fucking Dimitris Diamantidis. You're not going to lose your future retirement over this. Just bear it. Hide your face and bear it.
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>>76053449
Comparing era is hard and unfair, though. 1992 Partizan was young, but it was already filled with really strong players (I mean, Djordjevic, Danilovic, Rebraca, Loncar, Dragutinovic, Nakic...). And there was no real superteams like we see nowadays, it was pre-Bosman judgement and Cotonou treaty, teams were filled with locals.
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i can't wait for eurobasket this year. WE NEED TO TAKE IT LADS
>>
>Turkey
>Euro

What did I miss?
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>>76052774
are you the fan of a team that has 3 euroleagues and whose biggest legend is a panathinaikos reject? kek
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>>76053958
he couldn't before. maybe he improved enough to be a useful bench player now, but watching him over the season i think it's apparent that he needs to feel like he belongs to truly play his potential. he probably wouldn't be as good if he was just another player.
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>>76054032
Is this pasta?
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>>76054032
>>
Anthony Bennett is a bonafide scrub.

Worse than Kwame Brown.

Doesn't deserve to be holding the trophy or be in the picture with the rest of the team.
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>>76053995
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>>76052905
only if he goes to the NBlel and win it with the Pistons
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>>76053637
yeah, but Turkish teams are really pushing it to the extreme
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>>76054089
it's the schawzenegger / jamie lee curtis pasta.
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>>76054063

NBA won't let Nikola Jokic
Bjelica injured
No Boban Marjanovic


None from ULEB Euroleage can play in FIBA Eurobasket(No Bogdan Bogdanovic, Nikola Jovic, Marko Simonovic, Kuzmic)
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WHAT A GOD
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>>76054201
>marjanovic
he's a meme, and they said that jokic is gonna play, they can't forbid players, only if he's injured. it's only his manager being a retard and saying how they won't let him go (he has the same manager as majranovic, dude's a scumbag, look him up).
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LMAO THE HIPSTER FAGGOT GETTING A SHAVE
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>le haircut man
kek
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euroleague teams can't beat nb-
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>>76054281
Still this ULEB vs FIBA will fuck us over

+ NBA is not keen on letting our players play for national team overall, not just those three
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>>76054341
Berlin beating the 2014 Spurs is one of the biggest "what the fuck" moments in basketball history.
>>
>>76054406
it was a weird moment

Berlin had their best team ever, Spurs were on the road for a very flaky season that ended by a 5th seed and a 1st round elimination against the fucking Clippers.

to be desu, the Spurs fielded a team that was full of benchers and rookies too
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>>76054406
That game winner tho.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scKjYBrypvc
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>>76054576
They had all their starters out there and lost the game on a buzzer beater.

Take your damage control out of here retard.
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>>76054672

was it worse than this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5WwOvpvFgg
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should i feel good or bad? (Besiktas fan)
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>>76054348
FIBA vs ULEB is annoying and hurting a lot, but the NBA grabbing all the youngsters is worse.

Just look at all the players who left in the last 2-3 years and that never had any significant time in Europe...

Bender
Hernangomez
Porzingis
Zizic
Zipser
Hezonja
Bogdanovic
Jokic

just for those who come to mind immediately
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>>76054832
good? a turkish team won a major title in basketball and you pretty much confirmed the football league win, nothing to feel bad about.
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>>76054711
Ricky Rubio!
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>>76054838

almost all of those are going to be busts, so they'll return dw lad
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Give me a quick rundown on how Greece has played. I've been in the hospital for a few weeks and just got out.
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>>76054711
That was worse. You can see how hard they were trying. Pau and Kobe took that game very seriously. They respect and know international basketball.
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>>76055015
CSKA choked as always on the semis.
General didn't and naturally got the easy win as they had the higher quality roster.
Oly fought well but couldn't overcome this.
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>>76054838
It'll be a combination of many different things including what you said, + Chinese money, NBA didn't raise the minimum pay for our rookies, they are looking for something to change for their college players to earn more.

and our current basketball state is just madness, defnitely stepping down from early 00s/90s
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>>76054955
Well, of course. The draft is all about potential, not actual level as a professionnal player. For most of them they probably left too early. Waiting 3 or 4 more years would have given them much better chances to fare better.

Plus NBA is also a lot of luck and being at the right place at the right time. Just look at how the Jazz left Gobert to rot on their bench until they sent Kanter away. If not for this move, he'd probably still be rotting on his bench and being called a bust.
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>its another "Obradovic wins Euroleague" episode

Just ban him already
Put a bucket of cement on his feet along with Murinio and throw them to the sea
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>>76054032
Holy shit
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>>76054032
Props to you sir
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>>76054832
Feel good. Another cup for Turkey and we won the league. Let's hope we can bring in some good players to boost our European campaign next year, who knows maybe we can go on to the finals in Europa League next year.
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Don't be sad greek bros, we are both hellenic. This cup for hellenic unite.
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>>76056132
Tbh m8
You need Turkish players to boost your league
This is how good leagues are made, by investing on local players
See Spaniards and Germans at footy and Greeks and Spaniards at basketball
Anyone who has a big badget can build a winning team, point is forwarding your own players and this will lead on watching very good games on your local league
For example we have Olympiacos(3 *)- Panathinaikos(6* ) -Aris(3*) and even then noumerous teams are rivaling them on the Greek League, not to mention the National Teams victories in Europe and World

Its better for everyone to invest to your own players
Our football teams are just buying people from abroad and the Football league is a shitshow
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BU KUPA SADECE YUNAN PİÇLERİN ANASSININ AMINA DEĞİL GALATASARAYLI VE BEŞİKTAŞLI TÜM OROUSPU ÇOCUKLARIN ANASININ AMINA GİRSİN


FENERBAHÇE ADAMIN KOYAR!!!
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Sarı
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>>76058983
Lacivert
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Imagine if nba crowds were like this
https://twitter.com/EuroLeague/status/866406621009850368
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>>76059027
şampiyon
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>>76059132
FENER
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>>76059045
>https://twitter.com/EuroLeague/status/866406621009850368
>sitting down
>muh kiss cam
>too fat to dance around
>you might as well stayed at home watching cable
>my asscheecks hurt
>i'd rather be with tyler fucking my sister now
>get shot
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>>76059045
On the other hand, in the NBA people don't get stabbed randomly around the stadium, and there's no need to have 1500 full-gear anti-riot security forces in and around it to prevent things from going full shitstorm.

Stuff like Malice in the Palace happens every years in some countries (and it would be considered as some soft banter). Pana and Oly fans destroy their stadium every now and then when they happen to lose a game in the finals, just as an example.
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>>76059324

>On the other hand, in the NBA people don't get stabbed randomly around the stadium, and there's no need to have 1500 full-gear anti-riot security forces in and around it to prevent things from going full shitstorm.

i unironically prefer this to customer fanbase
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>>76053842

co-coach went to him smiling at end of the game and obra said "why are you smiling like retard? we got game at wednesday" kek
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>>76053887
>1;25
>20 points ahead
>YOU FAGGOTS BETTER KEEP UP
>but we are 20p ahead and there are like 80 seconds....
>I HAVE WON SUCH GAMES, YOU KNOW NOTHING OF THE WORLD

You know he is right
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>>76059399
Imagine Obradovic coaching Westbrook. He would have a cardiac arrest 3 minutes into the game. Or would just try to headbutt him.
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>>76059494

lel
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