Is he right?

no 90s basketball is 100000% more competitive than the garbage thats on the court right now.

>>75850924
No way. The Jazz, at the very least, were seriously tough.

>>75850967
how many hofers and how many rings that team have?

>>75850957
Wouldn't that mean the top teams are better at the expense of the next tier? Also>comparing eras with different rules and prevalent strategies

>>75850924
>Magic Lakers
>Malone and Stockton Jazz twice

>3 great teams
>lebron beat them on his own

An injured Golden State team which involved the NBA suspending Green a game for the most trivial bullshit?

An extremely, extremely young Thunder team? Cowshit is a dumbass who's trying to associate the players on that roster in their current form (Durant, Westbrook, Harden).

A Spurs team which required a wacky last second Ryan Allen 3 pointer to squeak by & get a game 7? LeBron didn't make that 3 pointer.

This only becomes a conversation if Lelbron can win 6.

>>75850987
Dumb argument. The teams he faced have no rings because of Jordan, but because they were bad

>>75850987
Two Hall of Famers and one of the best coaches in NBA history.

>how many titles do they have
zero, thanks to Jordan.

>>75850987
>>75851046
Not*

>>75851019
>magic lakers
not the team people think when they say that

how many chips that jazz team get, shit how many 60 win seasons?

>>75851029
>Kicking another player in the nuts after you've been warned is trivial
>Injured team
>Thunder w three players who were later MVP tier
>Trying to discredit beating those Spurs in any way when LeBron was the best player in the series.

If you are going to argue against it, don't go down looking do stupid

>>75851125
It's a leaf, what do you expect

>>75851101
>Regular season matters
They had 64 wins then 62 in the years they faced Jordan

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>the hairy peepee state of Houston

>>75850924
>basketball
whom cares

Jordanfags just can't help but hold onto the past. LeBron is greatest basketball player we've ever seen, and only blue pills still see it any other way

>>75851013
>>75850924

Jordan and the bulls beat
> 91 lakers
> 97 jazz
> 98 jazz

There are 3 nba teams with all time great HoF talents

91- Magic who had HIV
92 - Blazers led by Drexler (literally who?)
93 - Fat boy Charles Barkley

96 - Supersonics (meme team)
97- Jazz (team with good individual players, sort of like 2012 OKC)
98 - Jazz again

Stockton+Malone Utah Jazz was an alltime great team that would have dominated any other era besides the Jordan era. You had a top 5 all time PG in Stockton and a top 5 alltime forward in Karl, plus very solid role players.

LeBron would have gotten destroyed by Malone on his first drive to the hoop, cried and complained to the refs, then proceed to shit the bed and act scared the entire rest of the series.

>>75851205
>Jordan needs 15 hall of famers to beat anyone halfway decent

>LeBron defeats all time great teams with scrubs from the YMCA

Really gets the noggin joggin

>>75851244
do you watch basketball?

>>75851252
Jordan league the league in win shares mate and was the only player who could get above 20ppg

>>75850924
>2012 Thunder was better than 92 Blazers, 93 Suns or 97-98 Jazz
No. Way.

2016 Warriors and 2015 Spurs may have been better teams than any team Jordan has ever faced in the Finals, but saying MJ never beat a great team at this level is just plain wrong.

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>>75850924
Reminder that the Bulls would have swept Cleaveland and Miami and Golden State and every other "team" they call great now

>>75851252
Jordan had only pippen for 3 of them and then rodman and pippen for the other 3.

Lebron played with bosh and wade for 2 of his rings.

Lebron is playing with Love, JR smith, and Irving.

Shut the fuck up kiwi. You dont know shit

>>75851328
if they were from each era you are definitely wrong

they couldn't keep up with the 3

>>75851354
>Rodman
Seriously declined after 1996 season. Pippen was great defensively but was not the same offensively as having Kyrie and Love

>>75850924

I didn't want to believe it, but the more I thought about it, the more I think the bastard is right.

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>1 less DPOY
>1 less MVP
>3 less Championships
>3 less Finals MVPs
>4 more losses on the biggest stage, the Finals
>4 less All-NBA defensive teams
>9 less scoring titles
>3 less Steals Leader titles
>2 less Dunk Contest titles
>1 less All-Star game MVP

>>75850924
The nigger beat Magic Johnson.

>>75851101
It was the entire team minus Jabbar. They were getting old, but still a outstanding team.

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As a rule of thumb, if Colon Cowturd is talking about anything except gambling on NFL games (and even then, he almost always goes with the lines Vegas puts out), he is wrong.

>>75851492
Magic was 30. Two years younger that what Lebron is right now.

>>75851290
>tf
>tp

>>75850924
>The Suns w Round Mound, marjle, and Kevin Johnson
>Sonics with Kemp and the Glove
>Jazz with Stockton and Prime Malone

This is retarded oh my fucking lord. Not only that, the Bulls came from the better conference, and in 1998 had a lower seed than the Jazz.

Fuck this is dumb

>>75851252
And how many of those players would still be in the hof if they hadn't played with Jordan?

Sonics might be a meme but they did sweep the two time champions with prime Hakeem and eliminated Jazz

>>75851125
The Thunder were the youngest team in NBA history to make the finals. Those guys clearly weren't the players they are right now.

>Spurs
They more choked that series away than the Heat beat them. Recall how they faced again the following year? Recall how badly the Spurs raped them? Because it was the most lopsided finals in NBA history.

>losing to the Mavs
Every team Jordan beat was better than that fucking Mavs team. That will always be a massive blemish on Lebron's resume.

>>75850924
the thunder were not a great finals team

none of their best players were in their prime yet

>>75851539
> fuck this is dumb
> we are talking about cowshit
yah....
Id expect this from a retard like cowshit who is only a few steps below skip on shit posting but what gets me pissed is the retards in this thread who actually agree with this terrible opinion

>>75851539
None of those were great teams. You're proving his point.

>shit, no one's made any kind of Jordan comparison yet today? I'm on it!

>>75850924

Thunder werent great

>>75851581
> those arnt good teams
Please just stop with this tired meme. Jordan handily beat those teams and 2 of them had top 10 all time players on their teams. Not only that, everyone know damn well the bulls would have won 8 straight titles if jordan didnt go postal after his dad died.

>>75851203
Even though all his stats are inferior to Jordan's.....huh?

Golden State last year was better than any team Jordan beat, but other than that, LeBron's resume isn't particularly special.

If he beats them again this year, he will have beaten 2 teams that are better than anything LeBron ever faced.

>>75851581
Oh a 60+ win Sonics team with Shawn Kemp and one of the best defensive players ever in Gary Payton is just awful.

Oh man all time assists and steals leader and MVP winning Karl Malone led team just fucking suck.

Jeesh Marjle and MVP winner Chuck were some of the worst players to ever play the game.

Sure kid.

>>75851737
better than anything Jordan* ever faced

>>75851238
>Drexler (literally who?)

Retard

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>>75851728
Look at these "king" stats at the same age as Jordan and his last losing finals

>>75851581
Barkley's Suns were a great team. They could have won a title and lost three years in a row to the actual NBA champion including two series decided on incredible shots by Paxson and Elie.

Stockton-Malone-Sloan were a great team as well. They would have won two straight if not for Jordan.

Drexler's Blazers may not be considered a great team, but Bulls were the outsiders in the 1992 finals despite being the defending champs.

Late Magic's Lakers were not a great team, they were totally rusted. Sonics weren't either. Blazers may be considered one. Suns and Jazz definitely were.

>>75851737
>75850924
> golden state was better than any team jordan ever faced

The nba is so watered down right now the bulls managed to win 2 games against the celtics. There is literally no arguing. 90s ball had the most dominant HoFers to ever play the game in that span. Toughest competition and you could actually play defense and not get fouls called.

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>>75851728
Now look at at these for MJ

LePoop stain fans are a bit blinded and they're getting louder and more annoying recently

He is not correct. LeBron has only beaten one truly good team in the Warriors last year.
I'll concede that LeBron is the greatest of all time if he wins this year, but until then, absolutely not.

>>75851252
Try checking who Jordan played with during his first 3peat. Their third best player was Horace Grant. A solid player, sure as fuck not a HOFer.

>Lebron has played with more Hall of Fame talent over his career

Jordan played with
Pippen
Rodman
Parrish (he was like 45 years old and didn't play much)

>Lebron has played with
Shaq
Ray Allen
Wade
Bosh
And guys like Irving and Love are well on their way.

>>75851798
>Lakers weren't great
Still had Magic, they were really just without Kareem
>Sonics weren't either
Defeated Stockton-Malone and swept the back to back champions Rockets

>Jordan
Left his team and the Bulls went to the ECF in a tough game 7
>James
Left his team and they shot down to one of the worst in the whole league.

Jordan was carried by superstars, Pippen is objectively better than Jordan.

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@75851875

Not even giving you a you for such low quality bait

>>75851798
People underrate Kevin Johnson immensely.

That was a solid 20pts 8asts guy.

Quick as fuck & a leader of men.

>>75851875
bad b8. should have left the last part out for full effectiveness

>>75851832
Lebron also played with Ben Wallace

>>75851811
Fucking Curry, Draymond, Thompson, Barnes, and Bogut starting, with Speights and Igodola on the bench? That is a ridiculous team. 4 max contract players, a really good center, with one of the best benches in the league.

That was a monster team.

>>75851454
>has played in more career games as well

People keep forgetting this. Lebron has already played longer than Jordan, yet all his stats are worst.

>>75851913
KJ is a HoF snub basically every year, he is criminally underrated. Dude casually averaged 20-10 in the regular season and still managed to step up in the playoffs.

>>75851737
No they weren't. The fucking Thunder had those fags beat but choked. The Warriors last year were massively overrated.

>>75851125
>later

keyword

>>75852046
The fucker is steps away from being a Senator.

He's pretty good.

>>75851964
> superstar team
> beats up on completely shit league that is the nba.
> plays 1 good team and gets exposed after the cavs figure out how to beat meme chuck.
Literally no. Ill say it again, teams in the nba were chalked full of power houses during the 90s. The fact teams like the bulls make the playoffs rn should tell you everything you need to know about the quality of talent in the nba.

>>75851798
Drexlar's Blazers made it to 3 NBA finals. They were a great team. They just had the bad luck of running into 3 of the best teams in NBA history.

>Showtime Lakers
>Bad Boy Pistons
>Jordan's Bulls

>>75852090
Oh wait. Wiki is telling me he may be a sexual deviant.

Remember when people were arguing about Kobe being better than MJ? good times. I can't wait for Lebron to retire.

>>75851913
>>75852046
KJ was better than fucking Steve Nash. I still don't know how or why Nash got so much credit for literally never doing anything.

>16 seasons
>never made the finals
>only made the WCF once

>>75850924
Yep. He's right.

>>75852105
This is why people who go "literally who" at the Glyde should be banned from posting about basketball opinions.

>>75852137
>JFK
>Clinton
>Trump
>Jefferson banging slaves
>Ted Kennedy being an alcoholic

American politics tell me to never stop dreaming

>>75852213
Wait a second.

Teddy totally drove drunk & killed that girl.

> meme chuck 2016 is better than any team from the 90s
> meme chuck stat pads and beats up on the league with literally 2 good teams in it.
> meme chuck almost lost in the wcf to the warriors
> meme chuck doesnt know what its like to have to run an offense when defenses were actually allowed to play
> bulls would win 8 straight titles if jordan didnt try baseball
> bulls had to beat the lakers, jazz, blazers, sonics, and bad boy pistons (considered the best defensive team to ever step on a court).
> jordan played less games than lebron and has the better stats

Lebron babies have no leg to stand on. No argument other than "L...lebron is better...b...because I...I say so!!"

>>75851205
And the Spurs and warriors aren't?

>>75852172
I blame the whole sportscenter and highlight reel cycle. Muh flashy dimes kinda took precedence over actual statistical superiority for a bit.

also
>best convo on basketball history happens outside of the general
I miss these kinds of threads.

>>75852104
What does is say about Jordan that the Bulls went further in the playoffs with Pippin but no Jordan than Jordan without Pippin every time?

Jordan couldn't even get past the first round without Pippin. LeBron dragged a shit garbage team to the Finals that had the worst record in the league after he left.

You put LeBron on ANY team, it's gonna get to the finals. You put Jordan on the worst team, he'll just chuck like Kobe and never get past the first round.

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>>75850967
The Jazz were ok. Not great. They wouldn't be contenders today. Not enough firepower.

The teams LeBron has had to face are loaded with 3-4 hall of famers each! MJ only had to face, max, 2 hall of famers. Magic and worthy (who was injured) and Stock and Malone. But that's it. In fact, it was MJs Bulls that had the most hall of gamers in the 90s.

>>75851557
This is the sort of extensive qualification and goalpost moving that is now required

>>75852259
Deep state wanted em all dead, but Ted's super liver filtered out the roofies the CIA tried to get him with and he jumped out of the car in time.

>>75852213
>This is why people who go "literally who" at the Glyde should be banned from posting about basketball opinions.

Some people forget or don't even know that he was on Dream Team. Clyde doesn't get his due imo

>>75850924

No. Lebron hasn't even beat one. And he's lost to 4 mediocre ones. Seriously how do you lose 4 times with a free path the finals playing in the weakest conference in NBA history?

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>>75852287
>Pippin

>>75852287
Yea thats cause the nba now is fucking trash. No one is even close to lebrons level. Hes all time great material no doubt but the competition in the 90s was so steep jordan couldnt will a team by himself when almost every team had 1-2 Hofers as well.

>>75852271
>>75852271
no cause the league is shit.

>>75852287
>You put LeBron on ANY team, it's gonna get to the finals

Yeah any team in the East

also this line is so full retard you are probably exposing yourself as a lebron supporting bot

>>75852323
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ye8KvYKn9-0

>>75851978
He's played longer than Jordan including the Wizards years?

>>75852339
>heat cramps

>>75852264
Jordan had better stats because he actually factually played in a far shittier league than LeBron ever did. That's why Wilt could drop 100 points in a game.

90s basketball talent is stupidly overrated. The talent in the NBA now is better than ever.

>>75852383
Yep. He passed MJ this season but no one seemed to talk about it

>>75852383
Yes.
Jordan only played 14 seasons including his Wizard years. One of those seasons he came back from playing basketball with like 15 games left in the NBA season.
This is already Lebron's 14th season. He has played in more career games than Jordan.

>>75852412
wilt and jordan didnt play in remotely the same era you fucking retard. Wilt was one of the first black guys allowed to play basketball in the nba. Jesus christ are you dumb.

>>75851019
Magics Lakers of the 1991 finals were not good. Kareem had retired and James Worthy was injured. That's why the Bulls ran through them and won in 5 games.

The Jazz team was the best team MJ ever faced, and that was/is a group of 2 ringless stars!

Be in had to beat Duncan, Parker, Ginobili, Leonard... all champions and hall of famers.

Also the Warriors. Probably at least 3 hall of famers. And champions.

Don't forget the Thunder... ringless dudes, but Durant, Westbrook and Harden are hall of famers and mvp candidates.

>>75852383
Jordan so good he was a degenerate gambler & the Chicago mafia took his Da' away, yet he still won everything till boredom.

>heat cramps
nigger, you live in Miami

>>75852383
He indeed has.
LBJ- 1268
MJ- 1251

Including the playoffs

>>75852482
people will fall for this

>>75852482
Totally dismissing Brakley, Drexler, Payton, Malone & Stockton.

>>75850924
Well he hasn't beaten a legendary team like warriors. And Jordan's stats are inflated because zone defense was illegal.

It's funny that Jordan dickriders are now doing premature damage control by saying "It doesn't matter if LeBron wins because Jordan played better competition"

The NBA has consistently increased in talent base to pull from as the sport has continually grown more popular. 90s talent being better than now is absolute bullshit.

>>75852526
>>75852533
lel

>>75852412
>The talent in the NBA now is better than ever
This too

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>>75852287
Lebron played in a much weaker east. This is fact.

And a couple of those Lebron wins were against the Celtics without Garnett and the Bulls without Rose.


Lebron has beaten like 4 more 50 win teams since....but clearly is still well behind Jordan in the same amount of seasons played.

>>75852565
>le 70-win teams eliminated shoop incoming

>>75850924
this dipshit said the spurs were done in the rockets series lol

>>75852357
I don't know why people like this guy bother.

>>75852561
A league of sensitive pussies.

There use to be brawls on the NBA court & now you twitter about your feelings

#soft

>>75852606
Then someone could make a "number of times on a 70 win team" shoop

>listening to a professional troll

>>75852538
Defense was much better in Jordan's era.
Also he played against zone defense at 40 years of age playing for the Wizards. And he averaged 22 pointsa game at 39-40 years of age. You are a fool if you think 26 year old Jordan couldn't handle zone defense.

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>>75852549
>>75852561
> the nba is increasing in talent
> literally 1 guy who will be an all time great form the last 2 decades (lebron)

90s ball made more talent than any era ever. This isnt even debatable.

>le ditched espn for twice the money and half the audience and a DJ booth man

>>75850924
lol lebron didn't win a fucking thing without major major help either

and what's this "players come to him for pay cuts", not a single god damn guy went to cleveland the 1st time he was there

>>75852626
>>75852652
I meant that people would fall for that stupid post, but yeah I agree. I mean most of the MVP candidates aside from Kahwi and even Weststats are huge refbabbies. Harden and IT are refmasters and Lebrick is just a flopper one of the softest big men I've ever seen.

Didn't Lebron in 2014 play in one of the worst Finals performances for a team in history? Or something along those lines

>>75852652
It's also not quantifiable. It's counter to logic considering the expansion in talent base and early/extensive training, and you're expecting us to respect as a trump card the eye test of someone who was probably an infant at the time.

Ok

>>75852667
Colin Cowherd gets paid to audibly shit post for 4 hours a day

>>75852645
>i don't care if i'm wrong i just want to be interesting

lol right

this guy is literally raising another man's kids

and who the fuck does 30 sponsor reads during a show with commercials

>>75850987

Well they had 2 Top 50 greatest all time hall of fame players, and a Hall of Fame coach.

MJ dicksuckers think that 90s basketball had better talent despite increased US population growth since then, increased global talent in the NBA, and the evolution of athletic conditioning.

Dumbasses.

>>75852693
Hell, Jordan was a refbabbi, he could also take a hard foul like a god damn man.

>>75852723
It's such a cop out. He means what he says. Like when he said the Spurs were done against the Rockets he meant it. He wasn't pretending.

>>75852696
He played well. Spurs played unreal on both sides of the ball. Wade and Bosh were absolute garbage and so were all the aging role players (Allen, Battier, etc. )

>>75852711
It is quantifiable because I can count the number of well established stars in the 90s who made a legacy. There are literally zero (0) players drafted in the 2000's who have made a legacy to last forever except lebron.

>>75852752
I mean it's plausible it was better then, but they submit it as fact and mock people when challenged. Pathetic.

>>75850924
I can't believe you're arguing with a fucking Colin Cowherd clickbait hot take.

>>75852775
He probably did. My point is that his show is built around antagonizing fans. Not in the Dan Lebatard "this is meaningless bullshit anyway" style either.

>>75852777
No, I remember they kept bringing up a stat like the margin between Spurs and Heat were the worst in history or something like that.

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>>75852753
He had to.

Flagrant fouls didn't even exist his first 6-7 years in the NBA. And teams like the Pistons took full advantage of those rules.

>>75852711
I mean a counter point to that would be the fact that some of the worst teams in nba history have played in the last 10 years. We saw the reverse 96 bulls in the Sixers going 10-72. Boobcats going 7-59 with a .106 win record and the 12-70 Nets.

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>>75850924
The Sonics were legit, but Gary Payton was injured during the series so it hurt them.

I miss them ;_;

it is actually true

the only contender is the jazz and it still doesnt count. lebron beat the spurs, okc aka jazz tier, and the memerriors with the best season in nba history. case closed

>>75852838
Bring that era back.

Pls.

A bunch a cunts is what they are right now.

remember when hayward came on about esports

and then colin said he has a step son

>>75852862
>leaf skipping the whole thread just to shitpost

lel

>>75852867
You want to keep it?


Realize Jordan played through it.

>beaten three
Warriors last year for sure
'13 Spurs you could convince me
Who's the 3rd?

>>75852752
Teams were without a doubt better.
There was a legit 7-8 teams that were legit title contenders. Now it's basically two fucking teams, because everyone wants to team up to win. There is no competition in today's nba.

>>75852785

You can make the same argument about Jordan and the 90s except for maybe Hakeem. Nobody is going to remember Stockton/malone, Clyde, bball playing Barkley, etc. 10 years from now

>>75851029
>Ryan Allen
>Trying to talk NBA
>you

You talk like winning is bad.

OKC had Durant, Westbrook, Harden, and Ibaka. That's a damn tough lineup at any age.

That Spurs team he beat might be one of the top 15 single season teams ever.

Yeah he took a "pay cut" is that why he sells something like a shitty podcast ever 3 minutes. Fucking underwear and shirts and luggage and legalzoom what a greedy vain conceited douche canoe.

>>75852711
And teams today tank like a boss.
Teams tank so much that the league is thinking about changing how the draft lottery works, to stop teams from doing it.

Challenge pls find me a player drafted 2000 or later who has made a notable lasting legacy. Lebron James, D-Wade Steph are the only ones. Everyone else was a flash in the pan meme player or has never done shit ever.

>>75851252
He dragged that 08 Cleveland team kicking and screaming to the Finals. Other than that, he's been playing with nothing but hall of famers.

Jordanfags have now reclused themselves to the standard that LeBron can't ever do anything in their minds that would make them consider he's better than Jordan

>muh 90s defense
>muh 90s talent
>muh lebron has now played more games in the league than jordan

They are desparate and scared. LeBron has always obviously been better than Jordan despite their nostalgia of flu games that were really just hangovers.

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>>75852931

> no one is going to remember all time greats 10 years from now.
this whole post holy shit lol

This is evidence you have no argument

>>75852931
You mean a bunch of young fags who know nothing about basketball. Most basketball fans know these people and how great they were.

>>75850924
Well, on the other hand, Lebron never faced a good team on his way to the Finals in any of those 3 seasons

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Nick Wright is 10x worse.

https://twitter.com/getnickwright
>no justice, no peace is more than just a catchy slogan on a t shirt.

>>75852965
Teams tanked in the 90's too. Tanking for Tim Duncan is the most famous example. The Celtics were 100% unapologetically tanking, but the Spurs who were tanking because David Robinson got hurt anyway won the lottery.

In the 80's the 1st draft pick went to the highest bidder I think.

>>75853022

People are going to say the same shit about KD, Curry, Westbrook, etc.

>>75853013

>muh eye test
>evidence

pick one

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>>75853037
LEBRON JAMES LMAO

>>75853061
Its not an eye test when I have quantifiable data to prove my claims.

what i don't get is how people can hold him responsible for 2007 and 2015

i get 2011 that was a straight choke job but jordan had those against the celtics and pistons

he had 3 straight 1st round exits and then lost to the pistons 3 straight years

that's should count against him, it seems people have been brainwashed into thinking jordan was god and never lost fucking joke

>>75852931
>Nobody is going to remember Stockton/malone, Clyde, bball playing Barkley, etc. 10 years from now
Boy I wish I had reaction images saved to this device

MJ punched Steve Kerr so hard he took him out of the 2017 playoffs

>>75853055
Once again facts prove you wrong. Over the last 10 years (Lebron's era) we have had like 6 of the worst teams in NBA history in terms of win percentage. Teams now aren't even trying to hide the tanking now.

>>75851382
Rodman averaged 15 boards a game. That's not dropping off. Also, cocaine is a helluva drug. That said, he's a top 5 power forward.

>>75851832
Shaq was clearly past his prime at that point. Fat and out of shape. That's not fair to put him on there. Why not put Juwan Howard on that list as well?

>>75852383
Jordan took two years off because the mafia killed his dad.

>>75853079

>muh legacies are quantifiable data

Fact: Dirk has a better legacy than every ringless player from the 90s.

>>75853066
I thought that was Manu Ginobli for a second.

>>75851238
All of those were great teams except the Lakers.

>>75853124
Right, but offensively he was always trash, with the bulls. It was up to Pippen and Jordan to score and nobody in their right mind would say Pippen was near the offensively talent as Jordan; only defensively

>>75852965
Your opinion of "made a legacy" doesn't count as objective quantifiable evidence you retard.

>>75851382
wtf are you talking about rodman was voted #1 defensive player at his position in 1998

scottie was #1 at his

jordan at his.

i just rewatched the 98 finals on youtube they literally said it during one of the games

>>75853164
they have all the games from the 98 finals on there?

>>75853164
>>75853149
see here, I'm talking about offence

>>75853094
>i get 2011 that was a straight choke job but jordan had those against the celtics and pistons
Can you please point me to the time when Jordan scored 8 points on 25% shooting in a crucial play off game?

If you can't, then please kindly fuck off with your revisionist history

>>75850924
no way Oklahoma was a great team

>>75853149
Rodman was also their stopper. When they needed someone to shut down a player, they used him. He was one of the few guys who consistently gave Shaq in his prime problems.

>>75851238
>Drexler
>literally who
man what

>>75853006
>>75853006
>heat cramps

>>75853094
Once again check the teams he played.
The 80's Celtics and Bad Boy Pistons for like 4 straight years. Lebron has faced who in the playoffs again?....Bulls minus Rose 3 times......Dwight Howard and the Magic?! An old Celtics team minus KG? Lebron faces no one in the east, because the east sucks now.

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Lebron has never had a 1st round exits and he did that with way less help than lebron

he made the finals with this joke of a roster, let's not forget the east was good back then

>>75853187
oh ok offense...tony kucuck coming off the bench averaging 19 a game in 1998 lol

>>75853180
yeah they have all of jordan's playoff games on youtube, not HD but they're there

>>75853137
They have the stats and HoF records to prove this you ass hat. And check when dirk entered the NBA. I'll wait. >>75853150

Is it any coincidence all the greats except for 3 people who dominated the 2000s are all from the 90s?

Wade LeBron and Steph and the only ones leaving a long term impression

>>75853209
>>75853189
typical responses, the fact is jordan struggled when he had no help

also lets not forget he had scottie twice againsts the piston and still couldn't win, c'mon on people wake the fuck up

>>75853055
David Robinson was injured & that team was David Robinson.

Plus that Spurs team lucked into that pick. Spurs had like the 10th worst record.

>>75853215
>Lebron has never had a 1st round exits and he did that with way less help than lebron
He also plays in something that can not be even called an NBA conference

>>75853215
>he made the finals with this joke of a roster, let's not forget the east was good back then
No, it wasn't. The east was only good for 3 years from the Celtics big 3 coming together, with Dwight's Magic and Cleveland.

In 2007 it was just some old geezers from Detroit

>>75850987
Go away, Andrew Gaze

>>75853215
less help than jordan*

>>75853215
In a shifty east.
You keep ignoring this.>>75852565
It's no opinion, it's fact.
The east fucking sucks now. You think Lebron would have made it to the Finals with that roster going up against the 80's Celtics or the Bad Boy Pistons? That team would have gotten swept by both teams.

>>75853254
Can you please point me to the time when Jordan scored 8 points on 25% shooting in a crucial play off game?

>>75853218
No, in 98 he averaged 13 a game

>>75853270
>In 2007 it was just some old geezers from Detroit
confirmed for not knowing shit, keep sucking that jordan dick you delusional faggot

>>75853223

KD is literally going down as one of the top 5 scorers of all time. Westbrook is the modern big O. CP3 is one of the greatest PGs ever. Not to mention the players who actually made their fame in the 00s, despite being drafted in the 90s like Kobe, KG, dirk, etc. You are talking out of your ass

>>75853223
Durant, Harden, and Westbrook are all gonna be consideted all-time greats you dumb shit.

>>75852931
>Nobody is going to remember hall of famers

>>75853254
You mean when Scottie wasn't an all-star yet and was called soft by the entire league? Pippen grew into a star over the course of 5 years. Jordan didn't run off to join the Pistons in his prime like Lebron.

This YouTube channel has most of the games, there are other ones. This is 1998 where they kicked Bill Walton off and had him answering people's emails lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZCnAND5FYM

>>75853317
They weren't when Lebron faced them. They were a bunch of 21 year old kids with no experience and it showed in those finals.

>>75853316
KD is a fucking scrub who cant win without joining a championship team already

CP3 cant fucking win shit

Westbrook hasnt won shit

Yea all those 90s players who killed the 2000s. Face the facts the 2000s are a fucking joke for talent. The fact you can only name those few players at that is a testament to the talent. Im giving you a 20 year window and you named 4 people, some of who were from the 90s era.
>>75853317
Still havnt won shit. 3 people over 20 years kek

proving my point

>>75853338
lebron didn't join the celtics, he made his own team because boston did it first

the big 3 thing is new, don't forget that

>>75853218
Toni never scored more than 15 a game until Jordan retired and the Bulls team was blown up.

>>75850924
>three
I can only think of the 73 win Warriors. the '13 Spurs were great, but I think the teams Michael beat are better than them. and the 2012 OKC was good, but was very inexperienced and doesn't hold a candle to the those teams MJ beat.

Cowherd just baiting for clicks like usual.

2011 mavs would have beat literally every Jordan bulls team

>>75850924
ha....hahahahahahahah.....hahahahaha

*breathes in*

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

*inhales deeply*

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

>>75853409
not the 96 team but i agree other than that

>>75853377

>bringing up wins when hyping up 90s players other than MJ and friends

Hilarious Irony and no, I'm not about to name all of the HoF players drafted from 00s

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Why are manlets such high level commentators? He took over for Marv Albert after the arrest.

>>75853357
Durant was paraded as Lebron's "successor" well before that finals.

>>75853403
>the '13 Spurs were great, but I think the teams Michael beat are better than them
the '13 spurs are easily among one of the 10 best teams of all time, probably closer to top 5

>>75853432
There arnt that many ill give you a tip.

>>75853377
you can say that about 90s teams too

>clyde going to the rockets to ring hunt
>barkely doing the same thing and still not getting it done
>Ewing cant fucking win shit
>Payton hasn't won shit
>Stockton can't fucking win shit

excuses excuses

>>75852357
So why did the bulls do so good without him?

>>75853409
They would have gotten swept.
That Mavs team also would have more than likely lost to every team the Bulls beat.

>Lakers
toss up but my money would have been on Magic.

>Blazers
would have run that Mavs team out of the gym.

>Suns
Also would have crushed that Mavs team.

>Sonics
only team I think the Mavs would have had a chance against.

>Jazz
Would have best the Mavs in 5 games.

>>75853464
>the '13 spurs are easily among one of the 10 best teams of all time, probably closer to top 5
>58 wins
>7th ranked offense
>3rd ranked defense
>didn't even face the #1 West seed because of injuries
It's not even a top 5 Spurs team of all time

>>75853452
And what has he done to prove that even 6 years later?

>Jerry Stackhouse was called the next Jordan his first few years in the NBA
Means nothing if you don't do shit on the court to back that up. Durant hasn't done shit but join a 70 win team to try and win a title.

>>75853464
>probably closer to top 5
yeah right. even their record doesn't reflect that.

>>75850924
>>75850924
hell no. jordan faced two teams in the beginning way better than lebron did pre 2010.

>>75853493
suns weren't shit
sonics like you said
blazers weren't shit
lakers were old as fuck
jazz like you said

c'mon bro, Jordan's career is overhyped and you know it

Lebron is bigger, faster and more efficient than jordan ever was

The spurs and Warriors were better than any team Jordan faced in the finals

>>75853536
>this flag

lol that spurs team was fucking elite.

>>75853552
>regular season
>counting
pick one

>>75853571
Never seen him play.

Filthy millennial. You can die.

>>75853485
They had Pippen become a mvp candidate and BJ Armstrong and Horace Grant had career best seasons. Grant left after that season, and the Bulls were the 8th seed in the east until Jordan returned the final 15 games. He jumped the Bulls up to the 5th seed after being gone for 2 fucking seasons. Next season they won 72 games after being the 8th seed without him the year before.

>>75853571
>more efficient
>played more games
>played more championship games
>half as many rings

kek lelbron ain't shit.

>>75853585
yup and he came back from a 3-1 deficit

he also took the warriors to 6 games without Love, can't believe people don't give him props for that, jordan would've never done that

what the hell is wrong with being the second best or third best player in history?

>>75853571
>bigger
Yes.

>faster
Nope.

>more efficient
Also no. Once again numbers back this up.

>>75853634
if you ain't first, you're last faggot.

>>75853627
>>75853598
stay mad old fucks, your nostalgia ain't shit and deep down inside you know lebron is the better player

better defender
better scorer
better shooter
and he didn't need the refs help to win

>>75853641
Regardless.

Jordan powers through something called "heat cramps" out of sheer will.

>>75853634
Nothing, but LeBron is still better than Jordan.

>>75853627
>>75853641
>>75853598
>>75853536
>>75853655
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M-KCulzJqg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmlfiMDUTQ4

>>75853660
Jordan was a million times better on ball defender than Lebron. Never mind the bantz head games he'd throw as to make people cry.

DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHO JORDAN IS?

>>75853660
>Jordan has a defensive player of the year
>Lebron doesn't
>Jordan is 3rd all time in steals
>Jordan has more career blocks than Lebron
>Jordan has 10 scoring titles
>Lebron has 2


How can you be better when all of his numbers are worst? Please explain this anon?

Does everyone agree that Jordan and LeBron are the 2 best best players of all time regardless of who's first and who's second?

>beat no great teams
>beat Barkley, Kevin Johnson, Dan Majerle, Tom Chambers, Cedric Ceballos, and the best 1 year player to ever play
>Beat arguably the greatest statistical duo in top assist+steal man and pedophile malone twice
>Clyde Drexler literally putting up Lebron's numbers+ terry porter and elite bench/side pieces.

>>75853710
>>75853700
jordan played in the man to man era, were iso ball was a real thing

lebron has to play against zone, which is fucking retarded

do you guys even know what true basketball is?

>>75853700
LeBron bantered Curry to death in last year's finals.

>>75853719
No.

As it stands here.., Magic is #2, & Jordan beat him.

>>75853668
>lose a finals because it was too hot

Seriously wtf was that shit?
Old Boston Garden had no air conditioning at all. Many older players said playing games with 100 degree temps was the norm.

>>75853736
You're dumb.
Carmello Anthony continues to be a thing.

>>75853719

first off, Kareem is the greatest player of all time. Don't buy the nike hype. 2nd, Jordan is almost objectively better than Lebron. I don't see many compelling arguments for Lebron besides him being more physically gifted

>>75853757
>magic is #2

top fucking kek, i bet you think Kobe is a top 10 all-time player

>>75853759
LeBron was a bitch early in his career, nobody denies that. He hasn't been one for years though.

>>75853776
>Carmello Anthony continues to be a thing.

explain

>>75853777
this nigga gets it.

also, checked

>>75853744
>Does it once

Jordan did it in practice... to his own teammates.

>>75853736
Jordan also played in a era where flopping didn't really exist and teams would try to fucking cripple you if you came to the rim. No hand checking fouls either. Guys like Harden are prime examples of fags were excell due to the era. The soft rules help fags like him.

>thinking Jordan wouldn't put up 40 a game in today's nba

>>75853780
Are you denying Magic?

You fuck. The fucker won 5 chips by the age of 29 & then caught AIDS.

look, the NBA changed the rule to make MJ greater, because he was such a draw.

before that, they changed the rules to try to make Wilt less great, because he was so dominant.

you tell me who was better?

>>75853744
>Curry

Probably the most overrated player in the NBA the past decade. Curry is soft as fuck and lucky he has guys like Klay, Green and now Durant to hide all of his flaws. He is basically a smaller James Harden. Today's rules are made for guys like him.

>>75853777
Wilt is the true goat

do you know how many rule changes were made because of him?

>>75853828
he's a legend and one of the greatest ever but not #2

that's insane, you are implying he is better than wilt and kareem

you seriously can't believe that

>>75853799
One of the best scorers in today's NBA. Yet he is nowhere near Jordan in terms of offense. If he can be successful in today's NBA, you know damn well Jordan would have a field day.

>>75853888
He won his first chip replacing Kareem at the 5 spot as a rookie.

He was a point guard.

FUCK YOU

>>75853836
>dominant
>two rings

wilt was absurdly gifted and an all time great but Bill Russell was undeniably the best of that era

>>75853894
a field day?

you realize he was allowed to hand check and they expanded the restriction area for him

he was a baby and a cash cow, david stern elevated jordan

no one is elevating lebron, everything he has done has been earned

>>75853925
those celtics teams were stacked though, wilt was the better player

>>75853925
Wilt was better than Russell.
Bill played with more talent and better teams. Try comparing their actual numbers and not just the rings.

>>75853964
but that's the thing Wilt played for numbers, Bill played to win and other players in the league said they would rather play with russell

not to mention Bill literally Shut down wilt in the finals

>>75853925

This Russell meme is stupid. He had HoFer coming off the bench. Wilt was undeniably a better player

>>75853988
this is about talent bro, Wilt was a freak of nature

he once dunk a ball so hard it hit someones foot and broke it

he would miss his free throw on purpose and then dunk them

he once scored 100 points, c'mon bro don't be delusional

>>75853991
you can be a great player and play with other great players

Jordan played in a much more difficult and physical era. Also, he was able to single-handedly take over a game and kill you!!! I don't recall anyone ever making jokes about Jordan disappearing in the fourth quarter of any big game ....but we have all heard plenty of LeBron Jokes. By the way have you ever heard of the LeBron rules? No but you have heard of the Jordan rules...
1. Jordan
2. Kobe
3. LeBron

>>75854032
I've only seen it happen once.

Tom Brady every fucking year.

>>75854032
but that doesn't mean you are better than others

kareem left the bucks to join the lakers

are we not going to hold him responsible for that?

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>>75854046
>2. Kobe

fuck off retard

>>75854059
>kareem left the bucks to join the lakers
He got traded and the Lakers sucked when he joined them

Jordan could never be goat because he was a degen gambler and bet on games. Same with harden after tonight

>>75854059
well kareem already won the bucks a championship

he went to L.A. for money and fame, wasn't ring chasing really, didn't know the lakers were going to get Magic Johnson.

>>75854126
but he still left so that must mean he was a pussy that couldn't win

that's the logic you use against lebron

>>75854135
he had oscar though, lebron didn't play with anyone close to his talent until 2011 and look what happened, he's been in the finals ever since

>>75854139
Who wants to be in Milwaukee?

It's ugly & dangerous.

>>75854168
Who wants to be in Cleveland?

It's ugly & dangerous

>>75854168
Did I mention the freezing cold & crazy small market atmosphere.

>>75854194
you mean the harsh winters Ohio has?

>>75854139
>getting traded to the 2nd worst team in the league
>leaving in FA to form a super team with your buttbuddies
>the same thing

>>75854139
also I don't fault Lebron for leaving, he would have been the best player no matter what team he went

Kareem won the bucks a ring, Lebron's legacy was complete when he won the cavs a ring

it's hard to compare eras but I'd put Lebron 5th or 6th depending on one's view on Magic Johnson

>>75854190
Cleveland ain't even in the top ten.

Tbh senpai, Milwaukee makes the South Side of Chicago look like quaint suburbia utopia bliss.

It's the Honduras of America. Yeah people are dying there, but it isn't making the news.

>>75854216
>staying with a bunch of scrubs and an organization that makes bad decisions
>going to LA and playing for the most popular team in the country

yea you sure got me polak shit

>>75854254
Chicago's problem is lack of structure

i've talked to people that live there and they say you can avoid the chaos easily, there's gang struggles that are leading the murder rate

it will calm down sooner than later, you watch

>>75854267
the knicks were more popular at the time

>>75854254
also East Cleveland ain't no joke bro, just like you said it might not make the news but it can get real quick if you take a wrong turn

>>75854267
Who gives a shit if they were popular? The Lakers were a dogshit, 30 win team when he joined them and it was just Kareem and a bunch of nobodies for 5 years until they drafted Magic.

With free trips to the finals in the Leastern conference he damn well better have 3.

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>>75854577

>>75854589
I can custom form fit a bathing suit to display my giant cock too.

Yet my fat gut, never mind that.

>People forgot that the Bulls beat the best New York Knicks of all time.

What a Shane /sp/

>>75853925
Russell wasn't even the best on his team. They had no free agency back then. His team literally just stacked HOFers at every position while no one actually remembers a single one of Wilt's teammates till he joined the lakers.

>>75850987
3 HOFers

>>75851354
>jr smith
fuck off retard

does colin cowherd talk about anything other than lebron? i've literally never seen a video of his posted on the internet that wasn't about lebron

>>75854959
Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers

>>75851775
>>75853196
he is a literally who though

>>75851454
>getting to more finals means your worst
>implying not every season is a try
>implying le god wont end up with 7 when all is said and done

That 2011 performance should've put any discussion about LeBron being better than Jordan on hold until he wins at least 5 rings. And he better win this year.

>>75854719
>best nicks
>never got a ring
Ebin

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>>75853816

Fucking this.

Refs nowadays treat the whistle like bagpipes

>>75853816
hand checking was a jordanbabby rule you utter moron

>>75851832
>Shaq
Yeah a 40 year old Shaq with more blubber than muscle GTFO

>>75850924
yeah because michael had to beat the pistons in the eastern conference finals and larry and the celtics in the eastern conference as well....

>>75850924
Sort of but not really, the seattle team and jazz teams were both worthwhile.

The Lakers were max shitters at that point, they had magic who was good but Kareem was gone and Worthy was injured, Colin's right there.

Drexler is shit.

Charles was good but honestly they almost got swept in the first round, he was the only good player.

I'd dispute Colin on the OKC thunder being good, that year they weren't. James Harden was okay, but nowhere near his ability is now as was Russel. The only good player was Durant in many ways.

Spurs and Warriors tho, that's some fuck. The warriors team was stronger than whatever Jordan faced no question, and the spurs whilst nearing the end of their prime were still all extremely good + young K.

>>75855968
The Warriors team got exposed hard in the playoffs. Only this Warriors team is better than Jordan's competition

>>75851238

>91- Magic who had HIV
-wasn't diagnosed for 3 more years, this was still SHOWTIME! lakers ball
-Note: the bulls had to get past the 2 time defending NBA champs (Pistons) as WELL as get through the 3 time champ (Celtics) to get to that final. That 91 run was harder then any run LeBron has ever had to face, and that lakers team was easily better than any team LeBron has faced or beaten in the NBA finals.

>92 - Blazers led by Drexler (literally who?)
Clyde "the Slide" Drexler is a fucking hall of famer, 10 time all pro, and voted one of the 50 greatest BBall players in the world you fucknut

>93 - Fat boy Charles Barkley
Hall of famer charles barkley at the peak of his game in phoenix, perhaps the 3rd best player in the league at any point in time durring his career. That Suns team was fucking stacked too, easily better than any team LeBron has faced or beaten in the NBA finals.

>96 - Supersonics (meme team)
Shawn Kemp, McMillan and Gary Payton, Payton being perhaps the greatest defensive player of his generation overshadowing McMillan who was perhaps the best defensive PG in the league. this was a fucking beastly basketball team which was a nightmare to play all fucking season, they were a 64 win team. this wasn't a "meme" team, they beat some tough teams (2 time nba champ rockets, and the Jazz who would run to two more nba championships in the following two years)

>97-98- Jazz (team with good individual players, sort of like 2012 OKC)
Two hall of famers, including the greatest point guard in nba history in John Stockton (he not only holds the assist record by an absurd number, he also holds the STEALS record by an absurd number), with one of the top 3 power forwards in nba history in Karl Malone. This was a well oiled, well coached offensive and defensive machine, that shot fucking 90 from the FT line, and just ate teams alive with the pick and roll; perfecting it to the point there simply was no defense for them.

Shut up.

>>75855174
>>getting to more finals means your worst
lebron never had to get through the mid-80's Celtics, or the late 80's pistons.

Two teams/dynasties which are reguarded both statistically and historically amoung the greatest teams who ever played in the NBA. The first 3 bulls championship teams weren't even all that great. They had pippen and jordan, and not much else. It wasn't till jordan took that 2 year break that chicago actually bothered to build a real basketball team which basically made the last 3 championships a heck of a lot easier on jordan.

>>75856134
damn this is one of the best posts ive ever seen on /sp/

>>75851454
LeBron has never been swept in the first round. Jordan has twice

>>75853382
>he made his own team because boston did it first

Jesus Crust this post is retarded

>>75856134
>Clyde "the slide" Drexler
dumb cunt seppo

>>75851238
You're an idiot.

Although I was too young to have watched 91-93 I still remember 96-98 and I can tell you that SSS and Jazz were much better than any team on the league right now.
And I still remember how Jazz were refballed hard at one point.

Go home, kiddo.

>>75852412
>The talent in the NBA now is better than ever.
when will this meme end?

>>75857140
>LeBron has never been swept in the first round. Jordan has twice

swept by the eventual nba champion celtics with a bunch a no-names + jordan. Jordan by himself taking the whole celtics team to the wall, including the greatest single game by a player in an nba playoff game when jordan laid 63 on the celtics, causing Larry Bird to proclaim that they didn't play against MJ, they played against god disguised as MJ. http://www.nba.com/history/jordan63_moments.html

Jordan ONLY EVER BEAT SUPERSTARS WHEN THEY WERE OLD.

Jordan was in the right place at the right time, and had the help of Pippen and a deep bench.

Every superstar Jordan beat was a team old and/or broken as fuck. Jordan sucks, get over it.

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>>75850924
>it's a LeBron vs. Michael episode

>>75852292
>They wouldn't be contenders today. Not enough firepower.
Unless they played in the East.

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>>75856134
BTFO