Andy Murray (GBR/1) -
Freilos
Marius Copil (ROU) -
G.Garcia-Lopez (ESP) ..... 7:6 4:6 7:6
Mischa Zverev (GER) -
Richard Gasquet (FRA) ........ -:- -:-
Borna Coric (CRO) -
Lucas Pouille (FRA/13) ....... -:- -:-
Grigor Dimitrov (BUL/12) -
Philipp Kohlschreiber (GER) .. 7:6 6:4
Ivo Karlovic (CRO) -
Roberto Bautista Agut (ESP) .. -:- -:-
Jared Donaldson (USA) -
Adrian Mannarino (FRA) ....... 7:5 6:3
Dominic Thiem (AUT/8) -
Freilos
Milos Raonic (CAN/5) -
Freilos
Tommy Haas (GER) -
Gilles Müller (LUX) .......... -:- -:-
Florian Mayer (GER) -
Marcel Granollers (ESP) ...... 7:5 7:5
David Goffin (BEL/9) -
Karen Chatschanow (RUS) ...... 6:2 7:6
Nick Kyrgios (GRE/16) -
Marcos Baghdatis (CYP) ....... 7:6 6:4
Ryan Harrison (USA) -
Bernard Tomic (AUS) .......... -:- -:-
Fabio Fognini (ITA) -
Joao Sousa (POR) ............. 6:4 6:4
Rafael Nadal (ESP/4) -
Freilos
Kei Nishikori (JPN/6) -
Freilos
Albert Ramos-Vinolas (ESP) -
Diego Schwartzman (ARG) ...... -:- -:-
David Ferrer (ESP) -
Michail Kukuschin (KAZ) .. 2:6 7:6 6:4
Andrey Kuznetsov (RUS) -
Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (FRA/10) .. -:- -:-
Gilles Simon (FRA) -
Gael Monfils (FRA/15) .... 0:6 6:0 7:6
Ernesto Escobedo (USA) -
Feliciano Lopez (ESP) ........ -:- -:-
Tommy Robredo (ESP) -
Nicolas Almagro (ESP) ........ -:- -:-
Novak Djokovic (SRB/2) -
Freilos
>>75792183
Nice one ;)
Gotta go, thanks for playing
>>75792212
gg have fun :)
like to thank my parents and my nan
what an absolute fucking disgusting disgrace of an OP.
make a new one
>atpfaggots in charge of making a thread
>>75792531
You're even worse dickhead
>>75792550
i know, thats why i never make the threads
>>75792516
t. nadal fag
>Andre Agassi, the former world No1 and Wimbledon champion, is emerging as a surprise candidate to join Novak Djokovic’s backroom team, The Daily Telegraph understands.
>Having announced a complete clear-out of his coaching and support staff last week, Djokovic hinted in his pre-tournament press conference in Madrid that he was looking for another so-called supercoach.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2017/05/08/andre-agassi-could-new-supercoach-reignite-novak-djokovic/
Will he get him addicted to meth?
>>75792516
You make a new one
>>75792667
>Will he get him addicted to meth?
it will certainly alleviate him of his spiritual fears for the time being
leave this disgusting thread and go here. the op is giving me eye cancer
>>75792684
>>75792696
Ffs chill
>>75792696
>its a murrie thread
'no'
>>75792696
>SCAM threads
No thanks
>>75792725
>>75792735
he's the highest seed player playing tomorrow you autists
SAGE this shitty thread
>>75792799
looks like the janny isn't a murrie fan
>complaining to the mods
absolutely fucking pathetic.
kys
>>75792938
the early bird gets the worm
>the absolute state of this
ndy Murray (GBR/1) -
Freilos
Marius Copil (ROU) -
G.Garcia-Lopez (ESP) ..... 7:6 4:6 7:6
Mischa Zverev (GER) -
Richard Gasquet (FRA) ........ -:- -:-
Borna Coric (CRO) -
Lucas Pouille (FRA/13) ....... -:- -:-
Grigor Dimitrov (BUL/12) -
Philipp Kohlschreiber (GER) .. 7:6 6:4
Ivo Karlovic (CRO) -
Roberto Bautista Agut (ESP) .. -:- -:-
Jared Donaldson (USA) -
Adrian Mannarino (FRA) ....... 7:5 6:3
Dominic Thiem (AUT/8) -
Freilos
Milos Raonic (CAN/5) -
Freilos
Tommy Haas (GER) -
Gilles Müller (LUX) .......... -:- -:-
Florian Mayer (GER) -
Marcel Granollers (ESP) ...... 7:5 7:5
David Goffin (BEL/9) -
Karen Chatschanow (RUS) ...... 6:2 7:6
Nick Kyrgios (GRE/16) -
Marcos Baghdatis (CYP) ....... 7:6 6:4
Ryan Harrison (USA) -
Bernard Tomic (AUS) .......... -:- -:-
Fabio Fognini (ITA) -
Joao Sousa (POR) ............. 6:4 6:4
Rafael Nadal (ESP/4) -
Freilos
Kei Nishikori (JPN/6) -
Freilos
Albert Ramos-Vinolas (ESP) -
Diego Schwartzman (ARG) ...... -:- -:-
David Ferrer (ESP) -
Michail Kukuschin (KAZ) .. 2:6 7:6 6:4
Andrey Kuznetsov (RUS) -
Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (FRA/10) .. -:- -:-
Gilles Simon (FRA) -
Gael Monfils (FRA/15) .... 0:6 6:0 7:6
Ernesto Escobedo (USA) -
Feliciano Lopez (ESP) ........ -:- -:-
Tommy Robredo (ESP) -
Nicolas Almagro (ESP) ........ -:- -:-
Novak Djokovic (SRB/2) -
Freilos
pathetic
>>75792938
We don't need 2 threads, you fucking faggot
>>75792925
Reporting threads? Are you 12 and autistic?
You're making me not like tennis
>>75793021
>he wants the wta bracket
>>75793023
yes
so is anyone gonna stop nadal before thiem does at RG?
*saves 10s*
>>75793104
>>75793104
>>75793104
>>75793118
I like this thread
>>75793133
alright gonna post genie anyway
>>75793160
nice, almost ironic
>>75793160
>(You) calling anyone dumb after posting this
ndy Murray (GBR/1) -
Freilos
Marius Copil (ROU) -
G.Garcia-Lopez (ESP) ..... 7:6 4:6 7:6
Mischa Zverev (GER) -
Richard Gasquet (FRA) ........ -:- -:-
Borna Coric (CRO) -
Lucas Pouille (FRA/13) ....... -:- -:-
Grigor Dimitrov (BUL/12) -
Philipp Kohlschreiber (GER) .. 7:6 6:4
Ivo Karlovic (CRO) -
Roberto Bautista Agut (ESP) .. -:- -:-
Jared Donaldson (USA) -
Adrian Mannarino (FRA) ....... 7:5 6:3
Dominic Thiem (AUT/8) -
Freilos
Milos Raonic (CAN/5) -
Freilos
Tommy Haas (GER) -
Gilles Müller (LUX) .......... -:- -:-
Florian Mayer (GER) -
Marcel Granollers (ESP) ...... 7:5 7:5
David Goffin (BEL/9) -
Karen Chatschanow (RUS) ...... 6:2 7:6
Nick Kyrgios (GRE/16) -
Marcos Baghdatis (CYP) ....... 7:6 6:4
Ryan Harrison (USA) -
Bernard Tomic (AUS) .......... -:- -:-
Fabio Fognini (ITA) -
Joao Sousa (POR) ............. 6:4 6:4
Rafael Nadal (ESP/4) -
Freilos
Kei Nishikori (JPN/6) -
Freilos
Albert Ramos-Vinolas (ESP) -
Diego Schwartzman (ARG) ...... -:- -:-
David Ferrer (ESP) -
Michail Kukuschin (KAZ) .. 2:6 7:6 6:4
Andrey Kuznetsov (RUS) -
Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (FRA/10) .. -:- -:-
Gilles Simon (FRA) -
Gael Monfils (FRA/15) .... 0:6 6:0 7:6
Ernesto Escobedo (USA) -
Feliciano Lopez (ESP) ........ -:- -:-
Tommy Robredo (ESP) -
Nicolas Almagro (ESP) ........ -:- -:-
Novak Djokovic (SRB/2) -
Freilos
L M A O
>>75793332
this feels like our resident krautist got his hands on a proxy desu
>>75793348
it certainly appears so
>>75793332
but I did not post that, m8
non-contact sports belong to /asp/, you bunch of faggots
>>75793541
a sport is a physical activity in which you can influence your opponents' performance
kys cuck
>>75793751
Tbf he did say sport, just a non-contact sport. However, he's a faggot and a black person
who do you think will win all of the following matches?
put a W next to who you think will win
Andy Murray (GBR/1) W-
Freilos
Marius Copil (ROU) -
G.Garcia-Lopez (ESP) ..... 7:6 4:6 7:6
Mischa Zverev (GER) -
Richard GasquetW (FRA) ........ -:- -:-
Borna Coric (CRO) -
Lucas PouilleW (FRA/13) ....... -:- -:-
Grigor Dimitrov (BUL/12) -
Philipp Kohlschreiber (GER) .. 7:6 6:4
Ivo Karlovic (CRO) -
Roberto Bautista Agut W (ESP) .. -:- -:-
Jared Donaldson (USA) -
Adrian Mannarino (FRA) ....... 7:5 6:3
Dominic Thiem W (AUT/8) -
Freilos
Milos Raonic (CAN/5) -
Freilos
Tommy Haas (GER) -
Gilles Müller W(LUX) .......... -:- -:-
Florian Mayer (GER) -
Marcel Granollers (ESP) ...... 7:5 7:5
David Goffin (BEL/9) -
Karen Chatschanow (RUS) ...... 6:2 7:6
Nick Kyrgios (GRE/16) -
Marcos Baghdatis (CYP) ....... 7:6 6:4
Ryan Harrison (USA) -
Bernard Tomic W(AUS) .......... -:- -:-
Fabio Fognini (ITA) -
Joao Sousa (POR) ............. 6:4 6:4
Rafael Nadal W(ESP/4) -
Freilos
Kei Nishikori (JPN/6) -
Freilos
Albert Ramos-Vinolas W(ESP) -
Diego Schwartzman (ARG) ...... -:- -:-
David Ferrer (ESP) -
Michail Kukuschin (KAZ) .. 2:6 7:6 6:4
Andrey Kuznetsov (RUS) -
Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (FRA/10) .. -:- -:-
Gilles Simon (FRA) -
Gael Monfils (FRA/15) .... 0:6 6:0 7:6
Ernesto Escobedo (USA) -
Feliciano Lopez (ESP) ........ -:- -:-
Tommy Robredo (ESP) -
Nicolas Almagro (ESP) ........ -:- -:-
Novak Djokovic (SRB/2) -
Freilos
>>75794115
Andy Murray (GBR/1) W- he has a bye so yeah...
Freilos
Marius Copil (ROU) -
G.Garcia-Lopez (ESP) ..... 7:6 4:6 7:6 completed
Mischa Zverev (GER) -
Richard GasquetW (FRA) ........ -:- -:- gasquet withdrew
Borna Coric (CRO) - W
Lucas PouilleW (FRA/13) ....... -:- -:-
Grigor Dimitrov (BUL/12) -
Philipp Kohlschreiber (GER) .. 7:6 6:4
Ivo Karlovic (CRO) -
Roberto Bautista Agut W (ESP) .. -:- -:- W
Jared Donaldson (USA) -
Adrian Mannarino (FRA) ....... 7:5 6:3
Dominic Thiem W (AUT/8) -
Freilos
Milos Raonic (CAN/5) -
Freilos
Tommy Haas (GER) -
Gilles Müller W(LUX) .......... -:- -:- W
Florian Mayer (GER) -
Marcel Granollers (ESP) ...... 7:5 7:5
David Goffin (BEL/9) -
Karen Chatschanow (RUS) ...... 6:2 7:6
Nick Kyrgios (GRE/16) -
Marcos Baghdatis (CYP) ....... 7:6 6:4
Ryan Harrison (USA) - W
Bernard Tomic W(AUS) .......... -:- -:-
Fabio Fognini (ITA) -
Joao Sousa (POR) ............. 6:4 6:4
Rafael Nadal W(ESP/4) -
Freilos
Kei Nishikori (JPN/6) -
Freilos
Albert Ramos-Vinolas W(ESP) - W
Diego Schwartzman (ARG) ...... -:- -:-
David Ferrer (ESP) -
Michail Kukuschin (KAZ) .. 2:6 7:6 6:4
Andrey Kuznetsov (RUS) -
Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (FRA/10) .. -:- -:-
Gilles Simon (FRA) -
Gael Monfils (FRA/15) .... 0:6 6:0 7:6
Ernesto Escobedo (USA) -
Feliciano Lopez (ESP) ........ -:- -:-
Tommy Robredo (ESP) - W
Nicolas Almagro (ESP) ........ -:- -:-
Novak Djokovic (SRB/2) -
Freilos
>>75793541
I'd be ok with divegrass getting moved to /asp/
Did anybody know that Raonic's gfs nudes got leaked? They're pretty good. About what you'd expect considering she's a model
This thread sure has a large quantity of autism
>>75795067
She's pretty much nude in 98% of her instagram posts so no one cared.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BTH3j8DFfmy/
>>75795067
People will say this is a "typical gabriel post" but she sure as hell fucks other guys besides Raonic.
>>75795322
typical gabe post
Gents, just spent some time reading up on the department newsletter in which I am a student. It hilights awards and such that other undergrads have won and basically I'm fucking retarded.
Thx for reading my blog
>>75795254
>degrading you're self for money
How do I sign up?
>>75795322
classic gabe-post
>>75795254
>>75795322
There's some funny shit in there though
Like this
>>75796475
That's really creepy for some reason. He has no body hair whatsoever
>>75796475
she definitely pegs him
>>75796475
He's like 80% legs 20% torso
>>75797896
literally me
genie throwing shade at sharapova
non-shit schedule
Men
12:00 Robredo - Almagro
12:00 Harrison - Tomic
12:00 Karlovic - Bautista-Agut
13:30 Zverev - Coric
13:30 Ramos-Vinolas - Schwartzman
13:30 Paire - Carreno-Busta
15:00 Mayer - Goffin (9)
15:00 Murray (1) - Copil
15:00 Haas - Muller
17:30 Herbert - Pouille (13)
18:00 Donaldson - Thiem (8)
20:00 Zverev - Verdasco
Women
12:00 Siegemund - Vandeweghe
12:00 Zheng - Wang
12:00 Stosur (16) - Duque-Marino
13:30 Vinci - Halep (3)
15:00 Larsson - Begu
16:00 Cirstea - Bellis
16:30 Vekic - Doi
19:00 Bacsinszky - Bertens
21:30 Cibulkova (4) - Dodin
>>75799199
Almagro
Tomic
Bautista-Agut
Coric
Ramos-Vinolas
Carreno-Busta
Goffin
Murray
Haas
Herbert
Thiem
Zverev
fuck Spaniards with their dual surnames tho
>>75799199
CoCo
Ping Pong
Stosur
Vinci
Larsson
Cirstea
Vekic
Bertens
Dodin
>>75799008
I'm surprised someone from India even knows what that means
>>75799199
>Haas
Damn I didn't even know he was there
please save us kyrGOAT
>>75799867
sharapova BTFO
the GOAT
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>tomic
WOW WHAT A QTIE
>>75796475
OH MY GOD
GOD
>>75795552
who's the chick on the left? She's hot.
lads how did kyrGOAT play? I heard he was carrying an injury
>>75795552
has she had surgery?
>>75800006
he played incredible
>>75800032
>>75800006
Enough to get by in the match but didn't try match in the return games.
https://twitter.com/TennisTV/status/861638889735282688
Schwartzmanlet has been doing fine so far.
Schwartzmanlet tore Ramos a new asshole. Sums up pretty much Nadal's competition in Monte Carlo
>>75800263
>>75800264
Scwartzmann has one of the best groundgames on tour. Shame he is a manlet
>>75800264
hey, love your pyro-monks, they're impressive
murray's the worst no.1 ever, what a let down, he should light himself up for entirely different reasons
the lack of Fed is making tennis look like a sport of mugs
at least until KyrGOATs next match
>it's a Ivo 3-tb episode
Classic.
>>75800293
>be mischa zverev
>drubs the scam then says "Federer snaps his wrist much faster so I can't read his passing shot"
is this the worst humiliation a world #1 ever received?
Ivo hit 44 aces against Autista agut, most likeable servebot since Ivanisevic
since when did Paire realize he could play well for a whole match
>>75800313
>is this the worst humiliation a world #1 ever received?
probably, it's been consistant losses all year, expectations buckled him, he alway's played best from a losing position, not top dog
>http://www.wtatennis.com/players/player/316161/title/eugenie-bouchard
>Career titles won: 1
top lel
>>75800321
The commentators said 35, 44/45 was from another match IIRC.
>>75800427
yeaah, it was 44 winners prolly
>>75800446
Stats say 35 aces. 44/45 was from another Ivo match.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1833016-ranking-the-least-impressive-no-1-ranked-players-in-tennis-history
Does Murray make the list?
4 Spanish clay specialists have lost today in Madrid. Good.
>>75800481
what a stupid list
>>75800488
It's the fastest clay court around because of the altitude.
>>75800497
Go to bed, Rafter.
>>75800498
>667 mts
>altitude
top lel
>>75800524
It's enough to make the ball go faster I guess.
Hi is this where we talk about wta?
>>75800497
This 2bh
>>75800589
No, it's tennis
>>75800589
honestly, wta is the only reason be in this thread.
We're watching Goffin v Mayer right?
>>75800589
you can argue about waifus, substance discussion about the wta rarely happens
>>75800530
It makes me wonder how the ball moves at the Quito open.
>>75800688
very fast, that's why some random DOminican has won it 3 times
Zverev is a cuck
If goffin was just 2 inches taller he would be able to win a grand slam. He won't win one tho. sad!
McGuffin
Nadal and djoker play tomorrow?
I have a feeling novak will lose
PUT 'IM INNA GOFFIN
Is goffin, dare I say, elite?
>>75800707
Don't chat shit about Victor Estrella BurGOD
I love the way Goffin dominated in that second set. FLoating like a butterfly and calmly placing the ball dtlines and in sharp cc angles
>>75800984
like angie kerber in her prime desu
>>75795067
hot damn. Raonic punching well above his weight innit
Lads, this KyrSucc combo is beating another very good doubles pair. Is this the future number 1 & 2?
>>75801064
number 1 and 2 in both singles and dubs la
>>75801072
That's not Dimitrov & Paire
>>75796475
kek
that is unfortunate
>>75800524
it's much higher than any other clay tournament in the European swing
>>75800707
delet this right now
>>75801088
i get the reference :^)
>>75800916
I am.
Does Murri have a chance?
>>75800876
based Michael
about when will rafa return to Nr. 1?
>>75801166
YE #1 for the year 2017 la
>Paire beat PCB on clay
didn't that dude literally make a final last week? was it fatigue or what? did anyone even bother watching?
>>75801270
he won, even
>>75801270
>did anyone even bother watching?
no
>>75801270
His leg was strapped. Maybe an injury of sorts.
>>75801347
tough luck. at least Paire is well on his way to #2
>>75801166
Could he actually reach no1 by winning all masters and RG+some random clay season leftovers?
>>75801394
if novak and murri choke then yes
>>75796475
like a newborn deer, looks quite tense in the bum region too
>>75801405
I didn't know Raonic was an Irish name
>>75801394
he's not doing too terribly on non-clay surfaces. final at the AO (ugh) was a really good result. he's only lost to Fed and Querrey thus far. it's a good year for him. but realistically, I don't think he'll be #1. #2 is also a bit of a stretch but it's much more attainable IMO
also, his body has to hold up for the rest of the season. dude's almost 31. who knows what'll happen in the next few months, considering his schedule
>>75801425
>dude's almost 31
31 you say?
pssssh
>>75801394
He could but so could Fed with winning Wimbly/US/good runs there, Cincy, WTF and leftovers.
>>75801425
He lost to Raonic in Brisbane too.
>>75801471
oh shit yeah! fuck, I remember being nervous before his Raonic match at the AO because of how Raonic had beaten Rafa just a week before that
man, AO was a good tournament this year
>>75801491
Funny how Raonic didn't even take a set in AO, (while Zverev took it to 5).
Get off the court Grandpa Tommy
>>75801542
yeah, I was impressed by how much better Rafa's returns were compared to his return performance at Brisbane
>>75801547
dont bully him
based halep was acually clutch af today
I have money on Murray and a few others to win today, so why do I want him to lose so badly /tennis/?
>>75801659
masochism
the mark of a distinguished gent
>>75801618
she's igly as fuck
Anyways, am I the only one who wants to see CoCo vs. Kiki in the semis?
>>75801618
She's my tennisfu.
>>75801667
You think the seeding was fixed?
That match got them so much attention. Genie can get btfo for another year and still not lose her fanbase now.
>>75801686
Are you that short on milk in Venezuela that you still consider these stumps milkers?
>>75801686
good taste lad
>reminder that this precocious brat will win the whole tourney and there is nothing you can do about it
muller BTFO
I never heard an Irishman speaking Spanish before.
>>75801726
If it were only because of her boobs, she wouldn't be my tennisfu anymore, would she?
>>75801760
*blocks his path*
>>75801760
cant wait for him to go short hair and get a more defined jawline.
>Haas
>>75801790
Can't wait to see the vid of him getting dirty with kerber t bh
>>75801775
*Slapfights to the death*
>>75801790
Don't hold your breath m80, I bet he gets all the skeleton pussy with that do
>>75801812
bit of a haas been
>>75801775
>>75801659
You're a degenerate who's got comfortable with the feeling of losing. Like the warm feeling of pissing yourself
>>75801829
>>75801667
Nah he's a dour cunt and I wish nothing but misery for him more likely
>>75801825
>implying his father ever lets him out of training box after the disappointment with the older son.
It's an absolute disgrace for the ATP having Murray as the world number 1.
>>75801858
Probably true.
Mischa is a fucking waster desu
>>75801876
>you now remember Chino Rios was a no.1
>>75801876
>le profit from everyone else having shit form man
>>75801876
He did work hard at the end of the last year. Meanwhile 3 top 10 players don't even hold a title.
>>75801876
he did pluck it from Djoka legit, but he shouldn't still have it
>>75801942
Not saying he doesn't deserve the ranking but it's very underwhelming that he reached the top without ever beating the players who always managed to shit on him in the past.
Did anyone just watch poouile give away first set like a fucking mong?
>>75801967
He did beat Djokovic in the WTF.
>>75801967
he did beat Djokovic at WTF last year. it was a fitting end to the year 2bh
My problem with Murray is less about his results than his pushing, defensive game and weak and immature mentality, this guy should never be the best and shame on Djokovic for allowing it.
>>75802003
>>75802007
and then proceeded to lose in Doha again.
One win is not very significant. Especially because Djoko was already tumbling down
>>75801826
xD
>>75802060
>2.48 MB
>>75802046
Murray is an interesting case: just when Djoko starts going to shit and he can finally dominate alone, he also goes to shit.
>>75802077
classic gabe post
>>75802084
He doesn't Nadal or Djokovic's ferocious will to win.
>>75802136
doesn't have*
>>75802136
0actually he is simply not as good at tennis as them
>>75802084
That's quite bromantic
Oh god please no. I don't want DWL back.
http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2017/05/novak-djokovic-andre-agassi-coach-atp-tennis/65944/
>no American, German, Finnish or French male has won a Grand Slam in 15 years
lmao, time you clowns stopped offering """opinions""" on the best tennis player in the world
>>75802166
As well, but he is good enough to dominate the tour if he wanted.
>>75802184
I do.
>>75802192
t. Wales
>>75802192
oh, and Brazil.
lmao, such a pointless, nondescript tennis nation i even forgot to include them in my post
>>75802136
>>75802166
Hot takes.
>>75802192
Excuse you but Kontinen won AO this year.
>>75802208
We more open era slams than England.
>>75802203
Mury wanted to loose to Memerev?
What is this moonballing faggotry?
>>75802184
>someone wrote an article based on another article
>the original article is purely speculative
journalism is a joke
Pouille is shit now
>Andy Roddick will never coach Djokovic and lead him to the calendar year grand slam
feels bad
>>75802253
That is what happens is no one is willing to pay for writing.
>>75802278
Tbh its a demand-side problem
many people just don't want to read quality journalism. they'd rather watch the tv news or read a 5 paragraph piece than something in depth.
>>75802236
He either was injured or he slacked during pre season
>>75802275
this is PEAK female body tbḩ
>>75802275
>that ass will never be on your face
feels bad man
>>75802338
Haram!
>>75802313
Murray hasnt slacked a day since the dunblande massacre. The shooter was running through the corridors looking for people, Murray threw one of his tennis balls into the neighbouring class room to distract from his own, the shooter went in there and killed 2 people.
Its quite understandable that you get obsessed with tennis after that
Test
>>75802335
this is fucking lowtest
>>75802348
that's not what ur mum said last night xd
Is anyone else getting connection error?
>>75802335
>>75802338
Invited to join the arbiters of good taste club
>>75802386
t. chubby chaser
>>75802386
t hitler
>>75802379
>>75802386
>>75802386
wait a minute, why do we want women with high testosterone again?
>>75802428
Globalist psy op.
>>75802428
germans are weird dudes
>>75802485
it's a stupid meme on all of 4chan. not just with Germans
>>75801064
sock is unironically one of the best dubs players in the world (he should stick to it tbqh) and kyrgios is also very solid
>>75802402
>>75802410
>>75802428
Real goat body if you fags can handle it.
murray is terrible on clay
Who you got to win in Memerev Jr. vs Dasco?
Interesting match up imo. I'm gonna say Dasco in three. Zverev last week in Munich screamed "This is my court" like some fucking bad guy in an 80s sports movie. I wanna see that puppy face crying and smashing raquets.
http://www.menstennisforums.com/2-general-messages/897441-zverev-my-f%2A%2Aking-court.html
>>75802538
looks like shrek in the left and like qt 3.14 in the right
btw what player should I mastrubate to?
>>75802538
'no'
>>75802539
no need for the 'on clay' part of that sentence la
>>75802565
bookies favor memerev
>>75802565
sascha in straights desu
Thiem match is boring
Murry any better?
>>75802565
match of the day 2bh
Verdasco can easily beat him if his forehand shows up and doesn't choke like he tends to. Zverev isn't a top player on clay and Verdasco is in a relatively good form this year
>>75802596
He's just won.
Coprolite sunk
>>75802596
murrie just won
I don't like Headband-Thiem. Looks like he wants to be Federer.
>>75802630
probably does
I'm still annoyed Verdasco never fulfilled his potential. That 2009 AO semi was one of the GOAT matches.
>>75802538
Looks like a Valkyrie on the left and like a Dindu on the right.
anyone have the thiem racquet smash from when he lost to coric at miami?
dimi vs thiem and rava vs kyrgios are some tasty ass 3r matchups
>>75802428
test increases libido therefore a woman with high test will give u more of the fuk
>poo-eel
Bring on the Shitrev match, got 10€ on him
>>75802769
high roller
>>75802661
vamos Verdasco!
>>75802909
based, thanks dude
>Fiasco
>>75802831
Not brave enough like that Canadian
>>75802769
My nigga
>>75802956
/freemoney/ was 2 years ago
>>75802956
Jesus christ I would have probably sperged out and ripped my laptop in half if I had made that retarded bet
>>75803043
>>75803058
>>75803089
always remember
>>61749054
>>75803123
The funny thing is I saw a canadian on here today bragging about making 22k with a picture of his withdrawal, must be him, the guys probably lost hundreds of thousands over the years..
>>75803152
Probably a richfag.
Zverev to lose in 3.
how does zverev have such pencil legs?
>>75803043
>tfw I was in the army so couldnt shit post during the entire tennis season
>>75803236
does Finland still have enforeced conscription or were you just there for the lulz?
>>75803265
Yes.
Who's serve will be the best serve
The fast serve or the man who serves fast
Find out on this weeks episode of overhandfuzzball
damn that point
>>75803231
His body is literally pure sinew, the power in his serve is just from leverage of the long arms
>zverev
kek
Sasha breaking himself with a doubles and a overhead worse than Novak's worst
>>75802713
Agreed, however I'm afraid Ivo will take out Dimi in R2.
MAdrid is interesting as its fast clay, so match ups aren't as predictable as Monte Carlo for example. There Rafa would routine Nick, but not here
>>75802648
Dimitrov this year at the AO is very similar. Diva will prolly have a similar career trajectory to Fiasco.
It's funny to me that everyone seemed to think Diva was gonna be continuing to play like that. Just a few weeks later he was back to his muggery
>when people think Zverev will win slams
>That patented zverev spaghetti drop
>Verdaschoke
we WTA noa
Verdasco is a massive match fixer
>>75803478
All Spanish and Italian players are shady as fuck.
>The war of the wasters
Are they both fixing for a different result?
>le this is my fucking court man
Zverev makes me cringe so hard
If zverev breaks and wins the set this game I will lose my shit
>>75803425
jojjeshruk?
3 Brown serves in a row nothing suspicious to see here folks
>>75803554
post room afterwards
>>75803573
get the fuck out of here, literally how?
>>75803573
>>75803623
>>75803620
YOU JINXED IT YOU FUCK
That dropshot though
>>75803554
>Imagine being 15-40 and losing the game topkek
>>75803573
are u a hacker?
tell me before I get spooked, and then delete this
>>75803662
If he'd have won that game I'd have won a like 120 quid kid, bet on wrong score by accident
>>75803573
Reeee, telll meeee
>>75803573
>tfw I know what you're talking about
kek
>>75803708
He'll tell you in person m80
Look out your wondiw
>>75803623
I browse MTF. You posted pretty much the same thing there just now with a Finnish flag :^) Weird username.
I recognized NID_BTFO here as well. Orka_n probably browses 4chan too, him kekking and all.
>>75803708
>postan on MTF
>>75803708
>>75803684
*looks at your reddit posts*
What are they doing?
How old are those ball girls?
>>75803836
Old enough
>>75803836
classic gabe-post
>>75803739
Cool. I was afraid it would be a concerned relative or something. Would be bit of a nightmare to have my reddit whining accesible to someone I know
>>75803742
find anything incriminating?
what post gave me away? You dont post on MTF?
>>75803862
Like I'm the only one here lusting after them.
>>75803836
surely older than 18, guaranteed by Ion Țiriac's seal of approval
>>75803878
>tfw I cant admit it because apperently Im no anon
FINISH THE FUCKING GAME ALREADY YOU SPERGS
Lmao pathetic
>leldasco
Zverev needs to h*ck off
Verdasco overreacting to disguise his matchfixing.
Hope this Spanish cunt gets bageled now
Verdasco should hang himself tonight if he's not throwing this game
>>75796475
yo whaaaaaat
why is Verdasco so shit lads
>>75803878
All of us other pervs are lusting after their moms, you fucking pedo.
>>75803990
He's one of these certified big-4-shitupfuckers.
Only plays well against in the occasional Slam to throw out Nadal.
>>75803875
>find anything incriminating?
nah just a bit odd that you seem to be a berniebro
>>75803990
B-bad bounces
>>75804044
I-I just post there sometimes
>>75804133
>unironically posts on Reddit
>unironically posts on sanders for president
I will suspend the no bully rule, and bully you forever
>>75804033
too true
Zverev is going to win the slam lads
Cap this post and cap yourself when he hypnotises Nadal into making 50 unforced errors
>>75804022
I'll lust for their moms too, I'm not picky.
Why does he have no control over his length today?
>>75804165
bully me? When you have Drumpf as president? I dont think so ;)
no but seriously I might deserve it
>>75804165
shit off autist
nice backhand
>>75804290
no need to be rude fellow redditor
>>75804323
mr KyleG
>>75804181
You might be joking but he remembers me of Djokovic at his age.
>>75804359
>KyleG
I know you :D
>>75804544
Cannibalism is a crime.
>tfw your the only poster here without a reddit account
>>75804544
uma*
>>75804471
not even me :DDDD he is easy to trold though :DDDD
>>75804584
wrong, i only lurk there
>>75804584
>t. /u/reddit_poster420
>>75804403
I'm deadly serious, I actually think he's improved a shit ton since last year
>>75804584
on this blessed day we are all redditors
>>75803013
can i haz some moni?
>>75804657
speak for yourself
>>75804747
>tfw I only won 20 quid because verdasco is such a useless mong
>[s]Verdasco[/s]
>Cilic
>Berdych
>Stan
>>75804820
it was a good bet desu
>>75804836
death draw
>>75804836
how do I cross out words again?
dicks
12:00 Raonic (5) - Muller
12:00 Nishikori (6) - Schwartzman
12:00 Kyrgios (16) - Harrison
13:30 Almagro - Djokovic (2)
13:30 Ferrer - Tsonga (10)
13:30 Berdych (11) - Haase
15:00 Simon - Lopez
15:00 Cuevas - Mahut
15:00 Fognini - Nadal (4)
16:30 Coric - Herbert
20:00 Dimitrov (12) - Karlovic
21:30 Wawrinka (3) - Paire
cunts
12:00 Arruabarrena-Vecino - Sevastova
13:30 Wang - Kuznetsova (8)
14:00 Vandeweghe - Suarez-Navarro
15:30 Stosur (16) - Halep (3)
16:30 Cirstea - Doi
20:00 Kerber (1) - Bouchard
Did Fiasco retire?
>>75804864
t-thanks man
>>75804955
hot take: coric gonna win the title
>>75804621
He just needs to improve his physical, and feet movement.
>>75804958
I heard he tried to top himself immediately after the match and missed 20 times
>>75804955
you can't cross out words
>>75805039
t. redditor
>>75804955
>20:00 Dimitrov (12) - Karlovic
>21:30 Wawrinka (3) - Paire
>15:00 Fognini - Nadal (4)
>12:00 Nishikori (6) - Schwartzman
These are the matches worth watching
>>75805084
>>15:00 Fognini - Nadal (4)
>>75804988
Yeah and his mental game also, he tends to get broken after a break point a lot.
His serve and backhand are top notch though.
>>75804955
In how many sets will Nagasaki lose to Schwartzmanlet?
>>75804979
hot take, he is so bad that he lost to a Kazakstani journey man in qualies and only got in as a LL
>>75805084
/freemoney/?
>>75805138
>>75805108
u wot?
>>75805111
That's fine for his age.
>>75804955
>how do I cross out words again?
>ferrer v tsonga
I'm leaning towards ferrer on this, am I retarded?
>>75805579
Tsonga barely won against kuznetsov so why no
>>75805814
The odds made me doubt myself for a second
cheers hans
dodin btfoing cibulkova
>>75805579
Both are shit atm.
>>75806078
I can't think of a more erection inducing match up.
>>75806177
classic gabe-post
This girl is so damn slow.
>>75806425
dodin?
she is powerful tho
>>75805579
dont bet for Ferrer he is washed up as can be. They are both old and unmotivated so betting is hard to predict. One of them can have a bad back or a nagging wife/child and it can ruin their game
Tsonga just had a child, which made hi tennis worse but his mental game better. Ferrer is just very old and bad nowadays. However the h2h is 3-1 and on clay 2-0 to Ferrer. So maybe betting on him could be cheeky if the odds are great, but its very unlikely that Ferrer wins
>>75806600
The odds aren't amazing but I see it as a coinflip with heads being 2-1
>>75806643
Haven't watched ferrer this year but if you feel as though that is your probability then you bet.
>>75806643
I wouldnt do it if I were you
>>75806730
It's too late fingol, it's done.
what are the odds for the following:
almagro - djokovic
coric - herbert
wawa - paire
nish - schwartz
>>75806824
I got you https://www.oddschecker.com/tennis/atp-madrid
>>75806824
google nigga, or are wes upposed to guess?
7.0
1.60
1.18
1.13
pure guess work
>>75799892
top QT
more cici please
>>75806824
>almagro - djokovic
Djokoshit is being coached by his brother now so probably not him
>coric - herbert
Coric but he's made out of glass
>wawa - paire
Paire will chimp out like he always does
>nish - schwartz
I thought Nishitkori was injured?
t. armchair opinionist
>>75806868
if betting were legal in the land of the free i'd throw a few bucks at dr ivo @ 14/5 though i see gigor as likely winning
berdych seems the safest bet and 2/5 isnt bad imo
I hope Dodin turns out to be good, I don't want to wait for the occasional GS 1R to watch her.
>you'll never ask a fan to give you a bj on court
Why live?
>>75807004
I've got a couple of quid on Berdych/Ferrer/Djokawinzlol triple desu
>2/5 isn't bad for berdych
I was surprised it wasn't lower too desu
>>75806891
>Djokoshit is being coached by his brother now so probably not him
For real?
>>75807004
>>75807053
>berdych seems the safest bet
contemplate this, last time they played in Dubai in februarty Haase beat him in three sets
Haase has won two titles in his carrer, both in Kitzbuhel, the altitude there is high, much like in Madrid and on clay
Contemplate this before betting on Berdych
>>75807031
pliskova 2.0, she'll do well eventually
>>75807053
>>75807004
In fact the h2h is 2-2
>>75807113
i am literally unable to bet, but if i was i'd certainly back Berdych. He is a better tennis player, and those odds are worth the risk, simple as that.
>>75807163
Pretty weird that you cant bet. What state you in?
I guess that's pretty lucrative for organized crime
>>75807113
Where were you when I was making these bets
I'll cap and post them if i win and if I don't I'll deny they ever happened, it's a win win
>>75807076
nah, he's just Novak's hitting partner sometimes
>>75807212
I've only ever lost money on sports betting so you shouldn't fret
>>75807184
>Pretty weird that you cant bet. What state you in?
I am p sure sports betting is illegal in every state except nevada. perhaps new jersey too?
>I guess that's pretty lucrative for organized crime
it is
thank you based dodin
>>75807239
I'm actually up overall amazingly, but that's only because I put 500 quid on Trump the day Hillary's emails leaked tbqhwyf
>>75807274
cheeky, whatcu make? 2-3 grand?
>>75807116
You can never be sure in the wta.
>>75807274
now thats bold. what was the payout?
you could have given me 100/1 for trump winning the day of the election and i don't know if i would have thrown anything more than a fiver on it
>>75807254
My aunt does it in North Carolina but i think it's one of those sketchy apps or something
>>75807296
>>75807314
I think it was 9-2 at paddypower so yeah 2250
>>75807314
When the emails came out I genuinely didn't think any sane person would vote for her, and the odds didn't even change the next day, it was fucking baffling so I just slapped as much as I could bear losing on it
>>75807385
>I genuinely didn't think any sane person would vote for her,
w e w
you overestimate americans my man
>>75807423
kek maybe, still at least she didn't get in and liberals minds imploded from the shock of not getting their own way for once. Plus money.
So in a way you muricans made my year
>>75807513
Brexit allowed me to buy Lloyds on the cheap so cheers all around
>>75807582
>>75807687
>fucks britains shit up
>immediately after leaves the island and joins fox news
>>75807765
Don't you go talking shit about our nige
He would have made a damn good PM no joke, I also enjoy watching europe throw a hissy fit
>>75807385
>muh emails
followed Yank politics, emails were the most uninteresting of all the Shilary scandal, literally another Benghazi, there there was a real scandal in that they were selling giving arms to Al qaeda affiliates in Syria but the Republicans didnt mind that part
It seems Yank politics are fully dependant on mass psychosis of different sorts
>>75807830
When I was a kid I used to think Britain was cool and sophisticated. Nowadays I hate you more than any other entity on earth. Oh well, at least Scotland and Ireland will leave, soon you'll have to take the "united" out of your kingdom
>>75807877
there is unironically some sketchy shit in the podesta emails. However, the whole ordeal with hillary's personal email server was overblown. the big takeaway is that it essentially proved that politicians can get away illegal shit which anybody with half a brain already knew, hence why it was overblown.
>>75807904
While i am still ambivalent about their leaving the EU, i am a firm believer in Britain to find a way to do well. Its in their dna
>>75807944
>there is unironically some sketchy shit in the podesta emails
I hope you're not referring to the
>muh satanic spirit cooking
The emails confirming that the DNC put the thumb on the scale were prolly the most damaging, also just very anti democratic ofc, but I think that was in the DNC leaks
completely different, but in the publics mind those things were mixed together
>>75807877
>>75807904
wew lad someone get this hothead outta here!
>Britain was cool and sophisticated
hahahaha maybe compared to finland
The emails about her knowledge of Saudis funding of ISIS while still taking multi-million dollar contributions from them, as well as the clinton foundation scandals were pretty serious.
>>75808004
he didn't cope so good
>>75808001
*dabs*
>>75808004
>The emails about her knowledge of Saudis funding of ISIS
Sure, but any serious analyst prolly knew this at the time. OPen secret stuff.
>as well as the clinton foundation scandals were pretty serious.
Recommending some donor for some position yeah thats bad
But all this cheeky corruption isnt much compared to pushing Obama to bomb Libya, which created a law less state, where ISIS is active now. Libya was basically the liberal dollar store version of the Iraq war
also
>>75808065
this hurt Clinton more than all emails put together
>saudis and emails
Why does tennis attract so many autists?
>>75807904
>I hate you more than anything on earth
Because we don't want to pay to build spains roads for the luxury of being dictated laws and enriched by millions of ''''syrians refugees'''?
Plus the millions of poles bleeding our country dry? Suck my dick then.
>Scotland and Ireland will leave
They don't have the balls and if they did we'd be richer, scotland is a financial black hole with nothing but some shale, oil and scotch.
Northern Ireland isn't going anywhere, they literally don't want to.
things I like:
tennis
>>75808204
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ9J-dxEgY4
>tfw we are a few years from the Children of men
>Brits are happy with it for whatever reason
>>75808147
Truly /ourlanklet/
He choked for our sins and came back to win
>>75808229
I like this post
>>75808249
Why do you think the EU is a requirement for civilization?
We're not going to destroy ourselves for some failed socialist experiment that has ruined europe, if it were genuinely democratic then maybe we'd have toughed it out to try and improve it but it isn't.
>>75808229
I like you m8.
>>75808349
>failed socialist experiment that has ruined europe
>The EU
>socialist in anyway
I dont like the EU, I just hate people like you who hate the EU because they are easily manipulated. The campaign was mostly, "please be spooked of foreigners".
I wouldnt shed many tears if the current EU falls into pieces. I like decentralization
>>75808438
lol there's no way you're this naive
Tennis.
>>75808461
Singles
>>75808478
Mixed doubles
>>75808547
Forehand
>>75808444
whatchur point?
in b4 blah blah muh muslims, Merkel
>>75808568
Churchill killed millions of Indians
>>75808568
Backhand
>>75808438
>The EU isn't socialist at all!
>Leave voters are mostly just racists and xenophobes
This is gold
>>75808622
Serve
>>75808661
Volley
>>75808644
>his conception of political terms comes from insane right wingers and Bernie Sanders
I mean the governments of the EU and ECB literally bailed out banks who made bad investments in Greek obligations. The free market is a paradise for big business. Tax evasion has never been easier. The proposed TTIP was going to allow business to sue countries if they wrote laws that threatened the profits of a business.
The rise of the EU in Finland and most of Europe has resulted in quickly widening income inequality.
But somehow the EU is socialist?
http://www.counterfire.org/articles/opinion/18201-why-anti-capitalists-should-be-anti-eu
>>75808786
slice
>>75808819
>Taxing rich member states and funding poorer ones
>Not socialist in the slightest
>>75808868
not if you know what it means
Google says:
>a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole
I.e. when workers controll the factories etc etc, another definition which is sometimes referred to as "state capitalism" is when a strong state owns and controls the factories.
The same way it wasnt socialism when Bismarck created the welfare state to undermine the revolutionary workers. It is not socialism when the rich countries pay more than they straight get out from the EU.
The rich countries profit immensely from the opened markets. For example, the open markets of Italy allows Volkswagen to sell more cars to Italians, which brings in revenue from Italy to Germany. This is a simplification of course.
I implore you to never again claim that the EU is "socialist" lest you want to look like a fool
>>75808868
Poland needs dem roads doe
>>75808832
SABR
>>75809071
None of this is an argument.
Redistributing wealth between the rich and poor is not capitalism, it is communism, whatever definitions you want to throw at me.
The EU is not purely socialist, they allow lobbying from monopolies to make more stringent laws that push out budding businesses in return for funding, but to say it is not socialist in the slightest is retarded.
>I implore you to never again claim that the EU is "socialist" lest you want to look like a fool
*Flourishes fedora*
>>75809223
drop shot
>you now remember thanasi kokkinakis
is that cunt dead?
>>75809374
Politics. No, wait, this is a tennis thread on /sp/
>>75809316
>Redistributing wealth between the rich and poor is not capitalism
it is if it is from poor to rich
>>75809413
He's still in the main draw at RG
>>75809443
Fucking Russia always coming in at random
>>75809413
Still alive and banging, sorry to tell you that m8
Breaking news:
The EU has taken an unprecedented step in the direction of waging class warfare.
There will be a steep new tax on shiny top hats
>>75809443
The best kind of capitalism
>>75809441
Hey man blame the fingol autist, I pleaded, begged the guards to get that hot head outta here!
They wouldn't listen
>>75809316
You're just wrong though. Small scale redistribution does not mean socialism if it is in a society where the means of production are owned privately and the profits are extracted from the workers.
Contemplate the middle ages where the church was collecting 10% of wealth from the people and then filling some social. This didn't make the middle ages any less feudal.
Socialism isn't about the nature of a society's welfare programs. It concerns how the economy is organized and who controls the commons, the lands and the factories.
Catch my drift Brit bong?
>>75809603
YOU WHAT GOOD SIR?
>>75809634
based janitors, true men of the working class
oh btw blame that British Tory who has gotten his definitions mixed up
Fun fact: the greatest exonomic thinkers of all time were concerned about the inherent inequalities resulting for capitalism and many of them sought to determine the best way to reallocate wealth to make the lives of the poor easier.
t knower
>>75809774
That's pretty naive, do you think rich people will let you take their money like that?
>>75809656
To be honest with you I've had this argument so many times on /pol/ during brexit it doesn't interest me even one tiny bit anymore.
Some socialism =/= socialism
Some capitalism = capitalism
Want to leave the EU = Racist
Go to /pol/ if you want a proper debate, I really don't care enough
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjXBRRu3WbA
I forgot how weird looking Kokkinakis is. It's like part wookie part Earthworm Jim
>>75809988
That was recognized which is why they tried to figure out the best way to make the lives of the poor better. Many essentially deduced that the best way to do so would be them reproducing less but that obviously hasn't happened.
>this absolute holocaust of a thread
an utter disgrace from OP to here.
/tennis/ was a mistake
>>75810057
Banged some hotties tho
>>75810086
>Britain bringing up holocaust
Ed pls
>>75810074
I think making the poor live better has nothing to do with money, (you can live very comfortably being poor) but with expectations and knowledge. You have to teach people a) how to live with little money and how to organize their finances; and b) not to make material gains and objects something to fulfill their lives with.
t. poor person
>>75810053
>Go to /pol/ if you want a proper debate, I really don't care enough
Mark of a true intellectual
> Want to leave the EU = Racist
Didnt claim this, it's just frustrating when someone makes a political claim and clearly uses a personal definition that has nothing to do with the definition every single political scentist uses.
This is outside of ideology, you just dont comprehend what socialism means
>>75810221
>didn't claim this
>>75808438
This is my last reply spergo
>>75810190
Is that very realistic? Education also costs quite a lot of money and time m8.
Not disagreeing with you tho
>>75810251
my claim was a general about the campaign but thats uninteresting
I think you should read the wiki for socialism. Then the conversation can have higher quality :)
>>75810303
So does panis et circenses such as soccer or TV shows. Money isn't the problem because poor people are purposely kept dumb.
>>75810320
Tbh you're correct but market-socialism/democratic-socialism (essentially what he is talking about) muddles the picture a bit
>>75810190
>b) not to make material gains and objects something to fulfill their lives with.
This is a valid point, unfortunately I think it is in the interest of certain corporations to have us all feeling empty and wanting to get fullfilled by buying expensive pants or whatever
In many countries people can survive but still feel shit because of relative poverty, people feel bad if their friends and neighbours are much richer
>>75809774
Originally, before industrialization, capitalism was actually thought to be a more equal system than feudalism, unfortunately the early philosophers like Adam Smith couldnt predict the impact of industrialization
>>75810409
tv shows and sports produce a return that is easily realized while education takes years for the return on investment to be realized, if at all is what a numale cuck would say but yeah i agree my man
>>75810491
Which is exactly the kind of thinking that got us into this mess.
>>75810450
>Adam Smith couldnt predict the impact of industrialization
I don't know if I would say that. He predicted really well what the owners of capital would do and realized that the poor would have trouble getting out of poverty. Should read him closer joj.
>>75810535
it is what it is, i suppose. people like it for some reason.
I'm gay btw
>>75810416
definitely, although I dont think that the guy can see difference between welfare capitalism and market-socialism/democratic-socialism (however you want to define it, I dont wanna slip into yet another retarded definitions argument)
>>75810491
>>75810409
Sort of seems like the Yank believes in free will while the Brazilian is more of social determinist
American ideology places so much blame on individuals that it is essential that people believe they have 100% free will
Anyhow my main man Chomsky agrees with you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA5jOdPiZWI
tennis is the only truly patrician sport thoug
>>75810597
> Should read him closer joj
You got it Michael
>>75810658
hot desu, closet or no?
>>75810658
t michael
>>75810672
are you arguing against free will finland?
>chomsky
trash.
if you do read him or mill's economic works lemme know bby, we can have serious discussion all night long
>>75810450
>In many countries people can survive but still feel shit because of relative poverty, people feel bad if their friends and neighbours are much richer
Which reinforces my view that money itself isn't the problem when it comes to problems derived from inequality. Even if everyone had the same amount of wealth, people would find ways to set themselves apart, which encourages and reinforces artificial ways to people to self brand and elevate their own status to compete with the ones that set themselves apart and so on.
The solution is ideological: to stop pure income as being a source of identity, status or potential. For most of history, wealth was just a supplement for a life or existence.
But of course, the only thing that can change this is Time, this generation is screwed.
>>75810672
No offence, but from the little I heard from him, Chomsky seemed like a simpleton when it comes to social issues.
>>75810865
>ideological: to stop pure income as being a source of identity, status or potential.
this is literally the base of western culture though. I'll agree that it certainly won't happen in this generation, but i'd go further and say that I don't think it'll ever happen in the west
>>75810801
read JS Mill's on liberty, not really economic work though
got Ha-Joon Chang's Economis: The users guide in christmas present from relative who studies national economy, its supposed to be good
>are you arguing against free will finland?
nah just analysing your different starting points on free will
> Chomsky seemed like a simpleton when it comes to social issues
He wrote a little book called "Manufacturing consent" the book is actually very important and not small at all
>>75810995
Yes, but familiar and traditional values were usually there to balance things out, now the values themselves are pure hedonistic, as Zizek puts it (just to make it clear, I don't follow much of his thought nor do I agree with him most of the time but this is correct).
I'm not going to read any of this gay shit you're recommending
>>75811066
Yes i know that you've read that ;)
>Ha-Joon Chang is a heterodox economist
Not a huge fan of marxist economists but i may take a look. Tbh don't overlook economic thought in your philosophy studies. Much of it (pre-20th century at least) is not boring. Landreth and Colander have a nice overview if you're ever interested my man.
>>75811101
That is precisely due to the fall of religion and I am not even religious myself.
>Zizek
shieeeet you are gabriel from twitter
>2017
>not being fascist
>>75811066
>Manufacturing consent
>>75811329
Not really, religion has just been coopted for narcissistic and immediate purposes like always (i.e. the fall of religion is a symptom and not a cause), this institution isn't really apart from the world as they like to think.
>>75811101
>quotes Zizek but thinks Chomsky is a simpleton on social issues
just so you know you're wrong, Zizek is just more entertaining because he is a cultural critic with psycho analysis as weapon, while Chosmky is more, "empirical"
>>75810865
>>75810190
>b) not to make material gains and objects something to fulfill their lives with.
As I study rn there is a shift in Finnish education financing from humanistic subjects to "muh stem" stuff. Emblematic for the current culture over all. The west is actually materially quite all right for now. The change that is needed is not more stuff but rather a creative re-organization of society and our values.
As I'm a philosophy fag I come to think of Athens and how your most important duty wasnt to work but as a citizen to discuss, learn, participate in democracy, the arts etc. etc.
>>75811477
elaborate
>>75811517
>a creative re-organization of society and our values.
how, exactly, does this come about?
>>75811517
As I said, I quoted only for this particular issue. And Chomsky is a simpleton precisely because he is empirical.
>>75811329
I'm gonna study some national economics next semester, maybe get it as a minor. My dad is an economist and keeps bullying me when I dont understand the economy.
>>75811526
This is ridiculous.
A barking dog never bites.
>>75811596
that's the joke my man
>>75811517
Yes, you basically reformulated what I said, but better. There's not really a shortage of materials for people to live comfortably in, but narcissistic drive for status and branding makes people miserable nonetheless.
>>75811564
>Gabriel is continental af
my nigga
>>75811562
I dont know how it will come about, but I know it would be good lol
brb gonna read some Hegel then I can tell you
/tennis/ confirmed to be filled with 12 year olds who just found Chomsky and think they're deep.
>>75811732
the proof is in the pudding
>>75811732
Here's how Michael kills pseudo intellectual ramblings in one crazy step
Sam Harris fans HATE him
>just call them 12 year olds
;_; anyway I gotta sleep, I'll return to discuss when I read something other than Chomsky
>>75811564
>Chomsky is a simpleton precisely because he is empirical.
>>75811717
I can't claim to be a Continental or not because I read very little I philosophy after Hegel, I just disagree with the simple materialistic view of humanity.
Good night.
>>75811944
Yes, you can't use a calculator to talk about ideas.
>>75811972
you would not be able to formulate any ideas without materials from which you can reference
>>75812031
Which can only be represented in the form of universal concepts, and from axiomatic concepts is empirical science build upon. I can go full Hegel on you and we will go all night with this.
>>75812133
getting 2 abstract 4 me... these concepts have their root in the material world. they didn't/don't exist a priori.
>>75812294
My point is that you can't think or say actual material things, you can only think thoughts. And the truth behind the material world (whether as natural law or definitions or genus) can only be represented and recognized by thought. It's a two way street: whenever you think you are in the natural world and saw the natural for what it is, you fall back into thought and vice versa (as your post mentions). Thought and being are the same.
So, uh, how's that tennis going, lads?
>>75812488
Can't wait for Wimbledon.
>>75812488
what is thought anyway?
just kidding huebro. I am too dumb to carry on this argument beyond here, though what you wrote seems sound.
>>75812488
some good matches on tap tomorrow and especially thursday
>>75812866
I just want to say that both subjective and objective activity imply each other, but oh well, I'm tired as fuck.
>>75812488
Have you ever noticed that ATP players always practice with each other but WTA players always practice with male hitting partners?
>>75812488
Can it be Fedelel time already?
>>75813419
not until grass season, son
>>75811732
innit
>>75811732
I have a reading recommendation: mein kampf?
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