*wins meme league*

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*memes win league*

*wins 4 consecutive league titles in 2 different countries*

>>75790594
went to brighton today lads, pretty nice town.

>>75791657
is Brighton the shithole or Bradford?

>>75791703
Bradford is New Pakistan, Brighton is Gaytown

>>75791720
there were quite a few hipsters and emo cunts desu

Cesc is the first person to ever have 10 or more assists in 6 EPL seasons
He's also had only 11 starts and has 11 assists

>>75791605
Shame Serie A is a meaningless one team league

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>>75791863
This is Juve before Conte

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>>75791605
*wins every major european league title*

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>>75791863
This is Juve after

>>75791883
>Udinese
What went wrong?

>>75791863
To be fair Conte was the coach in place when Juve took back the throne. But yeah, with the structure they have in place (possibly the best not only in Italy but in the world) it was going to happen sooner or later.

Also Conte never made Juve perform in the CL.

>>75791896
>>75791883
Ibra left; nothing to do with Conte

>>75791863
remove juve from serie a and you basically get epl

>>75791883
Beautiful, what a shame all of this competition has been lost.

>>75791916
>Udinese
>Not Milan and Inter
lel

But to answer your question, Udinese memed their way to fourth place twice thanks to Di Natale and Alexis Sanchez (and then got knocked out immediately both times which led to Serie A losing a CL spot to the Bundes)

>>75791932
Remove Bayern from the GBL and you get the Dutch league. Well, ignoring the fact the Dutch still has a team left in Europe

>>75791928
Yeah, going from 7th to 1st means nothing, Zlatan also only scored 14 goals that season, Robinho and Pato also scored 14

>>75791959
nope, if you remove bayern from bundes you get a slightly better epl

>>75791928
Ibra made Juve go from the 7th place to the first? Damn.

>>75791959
Typical anglocentric world view
Just accept the fact that all your teams are underperforming m8

>>75791965
Well, Ibra was still in Milan for their first title. He scored 29goals in Serie A. Career record for him at this moment.

>>75791993
Right, but we're talking about the season before Juve returned to top, where he was losing form before running off to France

>>75791928
>Anglos before Zlatan tore up the EPL
Meme player la. Never proved himself in a good league. He'd flop in England la
>Anglos now
Zlatan departing Milan was enough to shift the whole power balance of the Italian league for at least a decade. Class player la

Really makes you think

>>75791969
conte is a great team builder but he will struggle at taking chelsea to international top level

>>75791863
Ibra's Milan was better than any team he's had to compete with in englel

>>75791967
The Bundesliga hasn't outperformed the PL WITH Bayern so excluding them would be even more unfair. It's like you ignore every other German team getting rekt.

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>>75790594
Easy. I mean Ranieri won it the previous season, how difficult can it be

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>>75791928
>Ibra left; nothing to do with Conte

>>75792047
Sarri's Napoli would fuck the epl bloody and so would the likes of Dortmund (under Tuchel)

German teams went out to respective cup winners, real and ajax (gladbach to schalke)

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>>75792025
This to be frank, but he was exactly what Chelsea needed for fix the catastrophy >mouyes left behind. Motivator and team builder non plus ultra. Who knows though, perhaps he matured a bit and will perform better on continental stage now? Conte is still quite young, just compare Milan Allegri and Juve Allegri. Managers take some time to reach their peak

>>75791585
Is that a Christmas present? What country is that?

>>75792062
A load of bloated shit to detract away from the rest of Bundesliga's pathetic results.

>>75792062
I support Napoli and decided to watch United this season for the Zlatan bantz. Fuck me if it isn't the most uninspired football I've seen considering the amount of money and talent they have. They LITERALLY play on the same level as Inter do in the Serie A (aka meme level).

As it is now, Napoli would destroy United 4-0 unless Mourinho went full park the bus to keep the numbers down

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>>75792062
>Dortmund under Tuchel
>Good

>>75792062
napoli sure, dortmund? lmao

>>75792091
They're both Europa League tier, pretty pointless comparison

>>75792113
Dortmund have defeated Bayern twice this season

>>75792106
Tuchel's Dortmund team has amazing highs and horrible lows. Which is why they're underperforming in league play and doing well in the cups.

>>75792091
>>75792062
Agreed completely. Napoli's offence would end up with over 100 goals in their PL season, what holds them back in Serie A and Europe is defence - not like that would mean anything in England. They took the lead against Real Madrid in both legs before conceding 3

>>75792127
That makes the whole EPL Europa League tier then considering your second best team couldn't even beat Leverkusen and Monaco this season

Good night

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>>75792091
>all those Napoli manlets getting elbowed by Fellaini

>>75792130
and? they have been terribly inconsistent this season, literally the liverpool of germany.

>this team would do well in my imaginary scenario, just ignore any other tangible measurements of their ability and focus on this one which can't be disproven

>>75792139
What holds Napoli back is lack of quality players, in other words lack of money. You simply can't expect Raul Albiol, Hysaj, Ghoulam and Reina to perform on the levels of Chiellini and Bonucci over the course of a season.

>>75792144
That would also mean about 10 PL teams are CL QF tier.

>>75791585
Why are all of their teeth so fucking bad? Or is it just the filtering on the image?

>>75792144
How is Monaco, a team winning the league and in the Champions league semis, Europa League tier?

>>75792170
They're just normal teeth m8, you're blinkered by the phoney cosmetically enhanced teeth all Americans have

>>75791928
He left the season after that, same as T. Silva and all the old guard

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>>75792159
Well, they did get 90 million for Higuain, that's a quite big sum to invest into improving first team. And considering they're now CL regulars, money shouldn't be a huge issue. For winning your group and getting knocked out in first elimination round you still get about 35 million in prize/patricipation money alone, not counting dozen other sources of income.
They're 2 CBs and a GK away from guaranteed 2nd place in Serie A (maybe giving Juve harder time than they're used to) and CL quarters-semi quality.

>>75792159
Napoli's biggest problem, just like Roma(way worse tho), is their ability to perform when it really matters. They're almost both on par with Juve in Serie A, when the teams meet in Serie A it's usually very equal games.
Of course, Reina and Albiol are banter, but it's not really that holding them back

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*wins CL*

>>75792355
good bait

>>75792355
british teams could sign entire real madrid squad and still not win jackshit internationally because of how self-destructive the EPL is. It makes you forget how football works, down to the very basics. And every failure will be apologized by TV pundits

>>75792467
how is it self destructive exactly? why hasn't the same happened to other leagues?

>>75792355
>Mertens

>>75792478
more athleticism required
no winter break
league cup congesting fixtures

>>75792355
Why would Roma buy all these shitty players?

>>75792497
>more athleticism required
if pacy players can exploit the premier league why can't they exploit other leagues?

>no winter break
maybe but feels like a cop out

>league cup congesting fixtures
not an issue; just play reserves

>>75792478
Because of how the game is played.
The games against teams like Stoke, Burnley, West Brom, Bournemouth etc. are no decided on the merits you see in other leagues, like technique, tactical setup, but "passion" and grit, aka. whos willing to slaughter the other the most.
There's so many injuries, and the games are so physical that even quality players signed from other leagues forget how to play against non "passionate" teams

>>75792170
Photographer for some reason boosted the vibrance to dangerous levels without adjusting things like teeth etc.

Aka shit after photographer

>>75792537
>if pacy players can exploit the premier league why can't they exploit other leagues?
Its kind of a catch 22; you pacy niggers to compete with the other pacey niggers, but in the CL the better quality players overall are not pacey niggers and you can't buy them because of all the pacey niggers you brought

>>75792497
>more athleticism required

no clue how to pass a ball, so you run it
no clue how to position in defense, you run it
no technique to play a ball quickly, so your forward has to run faster


english poverty league

>>75792556
what's stopping this from happening in other leagues?

also bournemouth aren't a "passionate" team they play like a lower mid table la liga team desu

>>75792575
hmm I wonder who's gonna win the bundesliga next season

might stick a fiver on bayern

poverty league (and country)

>>75792225
Dude fuck off and stop rationalizing those atrocious crypt-keeper teeth

Bitch ass nigga gon talmabout "phoney cosmetically enhanced teeth all Americans have". Ho ass.

>>75792571
This, too many players are just physique merchants one way or the other. They often look like good prospects because they're stronger than other players when they're all young, but their technique and brains will never develop.
I honestly don't understand why so many teams put so many niggers in their academies. Their IQ is on average 25 points lower or so, they'll never be the smart players who can perform the tactical tasks they get, and usually they're mediocre technically

>>75792593
There's always an idealized version of football, and that is different from each other country/league.
There is a certain way that brits feel football is supposed to be played, and it's almost always reflected in the teams.
The italians value tactical planning much more, actually it's not even valued, according to Ranieri, who said the players didn't seem interested at all in setting themselves up tactically, so he really had to compromise a lot with this.
Conte is a bit different because he has so many international players, but if he was coaching a team like West Brom, he would have the same problem.

>get this wop in the EPL and he couldn't do shit
>352 will never EVER win the league
>how can memebacks compete with the likes of Januzaj?!

>>75791928
>british "people"

>>75792556
What's the point in being technical if you lose 7-0 every time you play a big club?

The difference in the Premier League is that every club has history and pride and thus wants to win at all costs. It's not like La Liga or Serie A where the little clubs are happy just to be taking part.

>>75792593
It's not seen as the 'done' thing, it comes from the old English view of football as a replacement for war, the players would charge around and not even pass, passing wasn't done in English football until the late 1800s at the earliest, meaning tony pulis etc teams are seen as acceptable, whereas the players would probably refuse to do similar in Spain etc
>>75792640
It's a massive problem in England, all the pacey players get scouted because they tend to perform well at youth levels. I remember a player I played with got scouted by a few big clubs and got loads of hype, he couldn't beat anyone in 1v1 had no passing ability, could barely finish he was just tall for his age and very pacey so looked good against not developed teenagers who tried to play football

>>75792724
It's engrained in English football culture, I agree, but it still doesn't make it less true that this might actually be keeping the league as a whole down

>>75792781
It wasn't keeping the league down between 2005 and 2012 when we had 8 CL finalists and 3 winners

>>75792731
Exactly, notice how most of the new talents coming through english academies are almost entirely wogs, most mulatto it seems, but still.
It's a well known fact that blacks due to genetics have a slightly higher level of testosterone, therefore hit puberty earlier and have an easier time building muscle.
However we(whites) are usually heads and shoulders above in intelligence(IQ) and that actually means a lot in the modern game

your explanation:
>brits are le stupid oafs that like hoofball and everyone hates tactical players so clubs spend millions on tactical players and teach them hoofball because they''re dumb xD

my explanation:
>premier league teams are actually good and the reason they don't do well in Europe is because they make a shit tonne of money in the premier league already and so focus their efforts on that. Clubs like Tottenham and Arsenal literally do not care if they embarrass themselves in Europe

>waaaah Napoli would walk the PL

>waaaah Dortmund would walk the PL

>waaaah Roma would walk the PL

Wish I could filter morons that claim hypothetical scenarios and mix leagues.

>>75792478
too much money, makes the players care less

>>75792934
>sevilla would win the epl by christmas la

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>>75792934
hard facts are the least thing britpakis should be trying to summon

>>75792953
as proven in
>>75792927
they don't even care about being competitive as long as they farm enough money for their jewish owners.

>>75792724
the fact that you have no clue about foreign clubs doesn't mean they have no history

belgium's gent has a much history years as the oldest englel club, big deal, nobody gives a shit about either turd

the eplel is like burger king: absolute trash for the lowest dregs of society

>>75792927
The explanation should be found somewhere in between. But it's also clear that English teams do a terrible job at scouting. When you look at the transfers made into other leagues, even other top leagues, like Serie A and La Liga.
For example Darmian, total mismatch from United, was never meant to play in England. Paloschi, same story, not a player for the Premier league. Southampton actually know what they're doing, so there's a few exceptions, but overall, I think English clubs do a terrible job at transfer, and foreign teams know that english teams have a lot more money, so they've actually stared asking for more money if an english team enquires

>>75792833
That was the peak of the EPL's athletic edge over other leagues. Italian teams would barely last 30mins before getting gassed. Now the other leagues have caught up physically and your pacenogs don't scare anyone.

>>75793036
Touched a nerve I see

>>75792724
>The difference in the Premier League is that every club has history and pride and thus wants to win at all costs. It's not like La Liga or Serie A where the little clubs are happy just to be taking part.
nice meme, I wonder if you actually believe this
And same goes to the danish boy
Italian teams show as much grit as any other yuro teams, actually far more than most of europe

Shit like this is bullshit
>>75792556
>The games against teams like Stoke, Burnley, West Brom, Bournemouth etc. are no decided on the merits you see in other leagues, like technique, tactical setup, but "passion" and grit, aka. whos willing to slaughter the other the most.

>>75793042
that sounds reasonable, what do you think the reason for it is? too much money leading to them being careless?

>all the bong bashing going on ITT
Damn, what happened?

>>75793091
I actually prefer Serie A, but it's clear that the games are not played with the same intensity.
Sure, you have teams like Crotone, but still they're not nowhere near as aggressive as Burnley for example. Crotone to a much greater degree play on equal terms with the bigger teams, actually I think they're better than the relegation teams in England
>>75793111
I guess, but it's just a personal observation that English scouts looks for the wrong things, or don't even look at all, like I think was the case with Paloschi and Darmian.
But yeah, I think the biggest cause for this is money, if you look at the amount of signings made each season by Premier league clubs, it's at least 30% of the XI changed each season, it makes it very hard to establish a tactical identity and a good dressing room culture

>>75792994
What a compelling and extremely rationally well thought out argument.

>>75792355
Not enough belgians, not gonna work.

This other shit 'the english league is more physical, the italian league is more tactical, the spanish league is more technical' is such a meme
The PL isn't more physical than Serie A and Serie A isn't more tactical than La Liga or the PL
There is no inherent problem in english football nor in italian football, these things just go in cycles

>>75793269
Go jerk off over your FUT packages kiddo

>>75793228
>they're not nowhere near as aggressive as Burnley for example.
What makes you say that? Any relegation team in Serie A can be as agressive as any relegation team in England
In fact if you are only talking about agressiveness, Serie A has far more fouls and red cards

>>75793328
*tips fedora*
Go watch more Crotone you fucking hipster

>>75793328
you are the one talking about 'pacey nogs' boy

>>75793333
>Relating cards and fouls to aggressiveness
Try to actually watch the leagues, it takes so much more to get a foul/get a card in England. Take Acquah against Juve for example, in Serie A, those 2 yellows are debatable, but common in Serie A, in England those wouldn't even have been fouls

>>75793391
Yeah, I said they're overrated and clubs shouldn't invest in them
>>75793389
>Fuck, this guy knows more about football than me
>Better call him a hipster

>>75793269

Just to reinforce your point; Isn't Serie A the highest scoring league this year? I could be wrong.

>>75793426
It's only because it was against Juve

I also have to correct myself here, there is indeed an inherent problem in italian football, thanks for reminding me

>>75793426
Acquah was an obvious yellow card in every league.

>>75793487
it's a mess, In don't know what's going on, most teams seems to have given up on defending but it's pretty fun watching them not giving up and still trying to outscore the opponent

>>75793476
Watching shitty teams doesn't make you more learned m8

>>75793489
>Juve is the problem
Yeah, there is an inherent problem. Too many clubs have loser mentalities all the way up to the board, think Roma, Inter and especially Fiorentina.
>>75793487
Fuck, so many people in here correlating non related things

>>75793598
Roma, Napoli, and the likes indeed have shit mentality for winning trophies but that does not apply for the little teams' mentality for winning matches, the "grit" is there when they play
Just because Roma are happy with their 'eternal second' title it doesn't mean the league as a whole lacks grit

>>75793580
Correct, it doesn't, but it's besides the point anyway.
However lower table teams shouldn't be out of reach for /sp/, it's fair to bring in Crotone, because it fits the point I'm making, using the clearest example, so you can understand what I mean.
>>75793671
You're really missing the point I'm trying to make here. I don't disagree with what you're saying, but we are just saying completely different things

>>75793598
EPL has a loser mentality. Shit teams park the bus and hope for a draw or not a bad loss, which is usually why less goals are scored

>>75793735
Perhaps, idk. I think generally there is this idea in England that giving your all is good. So if you give 100%, but end up losing 3-0, it's ok, because you gave your all.
You could call that loser mentality, or participation trophy culture.
So if there is no fear of disappointment by losing, then yeah, you'll lose

>>75793598
Anyways the inherent problem is corruption, just to make you an example
After the last WC fiasco the FGIC president resigned and they had to name a new one, they choices were:
The young Albertini, who wants to renew the whole system, get rid of corruption and value youth development
or
The old decrepit Tavecchio, sponsored by the mafious trio Lotito, Silvio, ADL, who wants to keep the status quo and fatten himself

Of course they elected the second, some things never change

>>75793734
what's your point anyway?

>>75793804
But's that's not what happens, if anything that's Spain. English teams at the bottom offer no attack whatsoever. At least in Spain Madrid and Barcelona don't often keep a clean sheet because the small clubs get something off

>>75793735
So the shit teams should just roll over?
It's also a bit rich given a shit team won the PL last year and did very well in the CL.

>>75793860
No, they should try and win. You win by scoring more goals

>>75793804
That is an English mentality. A lot of times i've wanted to question things but they just keep wanting you to do the same thing. Probably a bit of arrogance, that they don't want to question their methods when things aren't going well and just think more of the same will suffice.

>>75793804
You're massively misinterpreting the effort thing. The fan mentality here is that high effort is the absolute bear minimum. It doesn't make a loss excusable, people will just be massively fucked off if their team has lost and the players haven't put a shift in.

>>75793882
And conceding less.

>>75793936
You can only concede less if you score

>>75793835
Tavecchio made a nigger joke, I was sold from that point on. Tavecchio still puts a lot of focus on talent development, and this season it really looks up for Serie A, with Barella, Chiesa, Barreca, Orsolini, or just Atalanta in general this season. Maybe that's not the work of Tavecchio, it seems a bit too early for that.
For example look at Italy's u21 team now compared to even the last batch, where players like Dezi, Batocchio and Molina were part of the squad

>>75793973
Ffs even Trotta and Longo were part of the team

>>75793957
"You start with a point". For all this talk about Brits can't into tactics it's ridiculous to then blame teams for not going gung ho against better teams and massively opening yourself up defensively

>>75793804
This couldn't be more wrong. Fans are extremely results minded, Man City fans are even beginning to turn on Guardiola because he isn't winning things. In other leagues, people are given time and this means that managers and players can grow into a club and achieve success, the same isn't afforded to professionals in England because a lot of money is at stake when it goes wrong.

>>75794123
>In other leagues, people are given time

Not Serie A, they each go through about 6 managers a year

>>75794123
For fucks sake, you're beyond any chance of redemption. You literally have no fucking clue, you miss everything I say. Only case that looks good for you is if you're trolling me.
Go rape your sister paki boy

>>75794169
The owners are disgusting, that's why. Look at Cellino with Leeds.

>>75794213
It's part of the fun of Serie A. It's not a perfect, but for me, it's by far the most entertaining to follow

>>75794308
The mismanagement off the pitch is what kills it for me. Luckily enough things look to be improving, but it's been a significant factor in the decline of the league from the best to second from last in the top five.

>>75794398
Depends on how you define the strength of a league. Imo Serie A is stronger than the Bundesliga and La Liga(Bottom table teams are very banter, teams like Granada are even worse than Pescara)

>>75794509
Personally, I hate when La Liga is professed as the best league of the top five. Managers like Moyes, Gary Neville and Tony Adams are deemed acceptable for teams there, and their top teams perform in Europe but mostly have easier runs than teams from other leagues. Only three I have respect for are Atletico, Real and Sevilla this season.

>>75792518
underrated post

>>75792467
I feel that any of the top 4-5 epl teams would content for a title in another country simply because they wouldn't be in the BPL. Not because they're squads aren't good enough but as Pep's learning at city, its fucking hard to really gain consistency. When you're Bayern or Barca, they can just take weeks off without any real competition and just make sure they're primed for Champions League. (not saying those city is as good as those teams, they're not)

>>75798191
I doubt Bayern or Barcelona would find the teams in the bottom half of premier league any more challenging than what they face now. The truth is that the best teams in England just aren't on the same level as the best teams in other leagues at the moment.

>>75792088
lol, underrated, nice burn Joao

>>75793269
>There is no inherent problem in english football
This is just so wrong though. And people ITT are making the mistake of measuring league quality by how far individual teams get in the CL rather than actually watching the respective leagues. England does not produce technically gifted and tactically intelligent players and you literally cannot argue this

>PL is a meme shit league
>poop wins first 6 games
>Pep will walk it in his first season
>poop gets EXPOSED
>B-based conde winning it in his first season
Bit sad desu.

>>75791605
even mouyes has done that

>>75790594
Is he really going to Inter? Is he really that stupid?

>>75798961
When?
>>75798969
No. He said if he ever did leave Chelsea it wouldn't be to go back to Italy

>>75792355
>mertens
>nainggolan

really activates those almonds

>>75790594
>half of them are spanish
what did premier mean by this?

>>75798417
we produce a lot of genuinely great players, the problem is we always have shit managers

>>75798417
but they take them from abroad duh

>>75799865
Why?

>this thread

I haven't seen this much devoted non-shit-posting in a long time. It's almost like a forum meant for discussion.

>>75798969
Hell no

>>75799865
>nainggolan
>Not rating Nainggolan
>>/reddit/

>>75791605

does FUCK all in the cl

hilarious

The problem with the english league is the inability to have good midfielders. In the whole league, only Chelsea has a a decent midfield.

This is the issue, not the lack of the break, the number of games, or silly things like >>75792556

Why are there no good midfielders? because clubs don't need them. The defending is so poor that all you need is either someone to hoof it or a "talented" winger to win games.

>>75792170
normal sane teeth don't shine brightly white like in propaganda adverts

inb4 Chelsea pulls a Lester next season

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>>75792355
*wins everything*

>>75802544
spurs have a much better midfield than chelsea

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>>75802905
>uinronically implying

Dembele is the best midfielder in the world right?

>>75802905
Sure thing buddy

>>75802266
Nainggolan is a reddit player though

>Last three EPL champions are teams that literally could only be stopped by the players themselves sabotaging their managers
>Neither of them seem like they'll do any sabotaging now
Are we looking at an era of Chelsea/Leicester dominance for the next decade?

>>75808038
>Leicester

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>>75808081
>Implying Leicester aren't the second best team in England behind Chelsea
This is the table after they managed to get rid of Ranieri

>>75808133
I really like this table

>>75808133
Against shit teams. Leicester only won because all the big teams imploded

>>75808025
No, he plays for a reddit club, but he's not a reddit player.

>>75802905
>le orcish shirt tugging with four cynical fouls per game man
>le dribble like hazard but have zero creativity or end product man

good post.

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*wins champions league*