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The great debate
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Kobe isn't even top 10

Lebron top 5
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>great
>debate
Lebron.
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Kobe doesn't even pass Wade
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>>75748962
>tfw we never got a Kobe vs LeBron finals
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>>75748962
Lmao this debate ended like 8 years ago

Kobefags just hang onto muh rings while LeBron is statistically better than Kobe at everything other than FT%
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>>75748962
lol Kobr is the definition of a chucker. he tanked his status as a great player by playing for too long and not changing his game to compensate for his age. He is probably still top 20 tho.
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It might have been a debate before Lebron went to Miami.
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Kobe singlehandedly ruined the lakers for the last 5 years of his career, that takes him out of any GOAT contention
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It's not a debate LeBron is better in every way possible
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Kobe wasn't even the best player on his team when he won half of his championships.
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>>75751810
Gasols advanced stats in the playoffs are just as good as Kobes.
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>>75751810
Derek Fisher > Kobe
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>>75749346
Should've happened in 09 and 10
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wew as time goes people become more and more anti Kobe. You will really tell me that Magic is better than Kobe?
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>>75752045
Magic has AIDS.
Kobe raped a woman.
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>>75749923
He didnt do much for them after Shaq left either, not until Gasol and Bynum showed up to clean up his bricks.
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>>75749346
feels bad man
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>>75752078
what he did with the kwame brown and smush parker Lakers was amazing.

Your starting point guard was no longer NBA caliber after he stopped being your teammate.

Your starting center was actually worth a minimum and a 12th guy off the bench.

Your side kick is just a 6th man.

Your 3rd scoring option(luke walton) is actually only good enough to be the 7th guy off the bench.

Mo williams had the same stats the season before he joined the Cavs and became an all star. Kobe has shit teammates at the time.
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Lebron has made the finals 7 years in a row

Kobe couldn't get passed the first round without Gasol
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>>75753862
>made the finals 7 years in a row
>kobe still has more rings, but lebron is "better"
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>>75753923
>losing in the first or second round is better than making the finals and losing
This argument is fucking retarded, like when people say Montana > Brady because he's 4/4. Any season you don't win a ring is a loss. It just means they lose early more often.
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Nobody except absolute retards would pick Kobe over Lebron if they were starting a team from scratch. Kobe wasn't shit unless he had top tier big men propping him up while Lebron has always been undoubtedly the best player on his teams
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hey nerds 5 > 3

all the analyticals i need
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kobe was more clutch than lelbron therefore more exciting to watch
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Kobe was a chucker. He's not even top 20 all time. Lebron is top 2 all time and close to passing MJ
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>>75754386
So Robert Horry (7) > Michael Jordan(6) ??
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>>75754484
we're talking about GOAT candidates here bro, keep up
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>>75752357
Interesting. Kobe has shit teammates for 4 years and never gets passed the first round and misses the playoffs once.

Lebron has 7 years with shit teammates and makes the Finals once, the conference finals twice, and the semifinals twice.
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>>75754696
the east is absolute garbage and has been for almost 2 decades

lebron had to assemble super teams twice to win rings, and even then got assblasted by the spuds (who should've won the first one but got bailed out by ray allen) and the mavs. he straight up quit in the celtics series and should haunt his legacy forever

kobe had >shaw and gasol yes, but the fact they lost to the celtics big 3 shows it took a super team to beat them. lebron is a freak of nature physical beast, but eventually his body will wear out and we'll see if he can rely on his shot
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>>75748962
Name a better player than Kobe when it came to clutch time
Pro tip: you can't
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>>75753862
Lebron still needed help to get to the Finals, its doesn't matter who you are you need other guys, Lebron's only won championships with other big time players. Its nothing to hold against him nor Kobe for needing a Gasol to win.
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>tfw never a Wade vs Lebron in the playoffs
>never a Lebron/Wade vs Kobe in the finals
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>>75756069
Michael Jordan. Six Rings. Undefeated in the finals.
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>>75754528
but according to your logic 7>6 right?

FOH you aren't ready
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>>75756069
>Le chuck up and play man
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LeBron's stats and finals appearances are absolutely inflated because for his whole career, he played in a very shit Eastern Conference. The only teams that gave him a run for his money in the playoffs were the Magic and Celtics, and he fucking lost to them. Kobe had to deal with much tougher competition in the playoffs.

Kobe>LeBron
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Lebron fans arguments are terrible
>Kobe had most his rings with Shaq! He's a ballhog! Lebron made the finals 7 times!
For one, Kobe has the same amount of rings without Shaq as LeBron does. Two, Kobe never had to force a big three in order to make a championship team. Three, the western conference has generally been more stacked come playoff time for about 15 years now. Four, Kobe actually has more assists than any other SG in nba history
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>>75756725
Man I hope Kobe is at least giving you that good dick for kissing his ass this much
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>>75748962
Kobe has better shooting/scoring skills, Lebron everything else.
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>>75748962
The """debate""" ended when LeBitch had to get carried off the court after cramping up in the finals. Kobe was a real nigga who made two free throws with a torn Achilles
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>>75749228
>>75749512
>>75749615
>EIGHTEEN PLUS

MODS DO YOUR JOB
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>>75754220
Name one time Lebron won anything without a superteam around him. You can't.
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>>75756725
Kobr threatened to leave to Chicago before they got Pau, Odom, and Bynum
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>>75749346
>66 win Cavs
>61 win Cavs
>Failed to reach finals

Leroids choked on purpose to avoid Kobe and the Lakers and save his career from a for sure finals loss to Kobe.

(((David Stern))) even went as far as to vetoing the cp3 trade to stop the formation of another super team and thus leaving Leroids virtually no real competition and a chance for the league to finally capitalize on the next "Jordan".

Thank God for the 2011 Mavs.
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>>75753862
>>75754696
>East fags
Not an argument. The east is trash. LeBron is still better than the overrated chucker that Kobe was
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>>75756899
can't even call it, need to go back after both retire
t. Bombstonfag
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>>75756809
>Kobe has better shooting/scoring skills,
He just chuked a lot. Kobe was an awful scorer that took half of its teams shots
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>>75756922
I'm just talking on paper, not taking into account decision making/shot selection. he'd probably be on par with Jordan on that front if he didn't take ill-advised shots so much.
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>>75749615
>playing for too long and not changing his game to compensate for his age.

Kobe has the most fundamentally sound style of play other than MJ himself. Maybe if you didn't just start watching the NBA in the past two years you would know that he tore his achilles at 34 years old while carrying his shit team to the playoffs.
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>>75756624
Facts

Lehype would not be able to take the 2008-2010 Lakers to 3 straight finals

Also Kobe faced hand checking his 1st 3 rings

Kobe > Lehype
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>>75756868
Newfag

Kys
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>>75757107
Lol well maybe he should have quit after the injury like a smart person. He didn't need the money, he just had a massive ego and couldn't stop chucking garbage.
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>>75748962
24 is 1 greater than 23
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>>75754696
Didnt you read what I wrote? Kobe's teammates were so much worse than LeBron. LeBron's teammates deserved to be in the NBA. His starting 5 could be a starting 5 in any winning team. In 4 of Kobe's starting 5 teammates. half were not NBA caliber players the other half were bench players at best. The 3rd best player on the Lakers in 07 was Luke Walton ffs. In what playoff team is Luke Walton your 3rd best player? Fact he took those team to the playoffs and won playoff games is as big of an accomplishment to what LeBron did pre heat.
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>Literally who vs. the GOAT
tough call
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It's not even a debate. Anyone ranking Kobe over LeBron is fucking delusional, knows nothing about basketball, is lying or all three.
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>>75757019
No he wouldn't Kobe needed to chuck as much as Westbrick to get worse stats than MJ. Kobe statpadding had worse stats than MJ playing normal
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>>75757127
Kobe got carried by Shaq and became a mediocre memechucker when he left
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One of them tore his Achilles, shot and made two free-throws then walked off the court under his own power.
The other got a cramp, cried, and had to be carried off the court by his teammates.
Really tough call desu
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>>75758196
le carried by shaw and gasol man
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LeBitch dickriders
>Final appearances don't mean a thing, unless you get the rings ;^)
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Lebron has been better since the 2006 season. Better defender, rebounder, passer, and scorer. Better than Kobe in literally every basketball skill there is. Laker fans are a plague and should be gassed.
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Kobe if you're born before 1997

LeBron for ppl born after
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>>75748962
>c-championsips aren't everything, i-it's about the level of play

Then Durant is better than Lebron.
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>>75749346
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5abeR-Jr30
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>>75760907
but lebron is better in literally everything but FT's compared to durcant you retard gypsy fuck
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>>75762969
>but lebron is better in literally everything but FT's compared to durcant you retard gypsy fuck
Durant is a better scorer,shooter,3 point shooter,basically the same at rebounding, a better stealear and blocker than LeBron
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>great
debate something that is clear at all wtf?
lebron is the obvious choice
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>>75763178
>better scorer
no

>better shooter
yes

>3 point
no

>rebounding
no

>stealer
lmao no

>blocker
alright you just memeing at this point

i'll give durant he's a great shooter. but at everything else he's just average. also lebron passing is honestly top 5 in the league. why didn't you even mention that stat?
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>>75763600
just some quick facts

lebron has scored 240 points this playoffs season to durants 122.

lebron is .566 fg% to durants .53

lebron is .486 3pt% to durants .409. also lebron has more 3pt shot attempts

11 blocks to 5 blocks

17 steals to 4 steals

51 assists to 17 assists

63 rebounds to 43

durant only leads lebron on free throw % and has less turovers

take your pick
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>>75763600
>>75763600
>no
This is objective.You are denying the obvious
>no
Durant's worst season from 3 is better than Lebron´s best season from 3 if you don't count the rookie year
>no
>7.2 vs 7.3
Pretty much even.LeBron has a slight edge
>>blocker
>alright you just memeing at this point
>Durant
1 block per game
>LeBron
0.8 blocks per game
>but at everything else he's just average.
No
> also lebron passing is honestly top 5 in the league. why didn't you even mention that stat?
You said that Durant was worse except at FT and I proved you wrong
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>>75763810
LeBron has played more matches and more minutes per match. You alredy knew this but you posted this I don't know why
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>>75764012
cool. his percentages are higher than durants. durant is also younger than lebron, but lebron still plays more minutes at a higher level than. i really hope you're not trying to imply durant is better than lebron. he's good but i'm pretty sure everyone on the planet knows lebron is the best player in the world
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>>75764145
LeBron is playing against East conference teams. Of course his %are better. He is basically playing against crap
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>>75756624
If Lebron and Kobe swapped places, Lebron would have 7 rings and Kobe maybe 1.
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kooby is a more better player then lebren james is. he has one more champyonechips than james and he avarage 35 point a game one year
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>>75768899
Lebron has 3 rings.
2 with wade and bosh both respectively the stars of their team before james got there and 1 with irving and love both respectively stars on their team before james joined.

I dont want to hear anything about hurr durr kobe had this amd hurrr lebron had that. The way I see it Lebron has had 4 superstars on his championship teams. Kobe had one in shaq and an allstar (not superstar) in gasol and a great supporting cast. Fuck off.
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Literally only babbys who need to be force fed their sporting opinions by the media would say Lebron.
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>>75769162
>Bosh is a superstar but Pau isn't
lol wtf, prime Gasol shits on Bosh. Did you even watch the 2013 playofs? Bosh was completely useless. He was destroyed by freaking Roy Hibbert

Pau on the other hand shut down prime Dwight Howard in the finals.

But sure, let's hear more about how Bosh is a "superstar" and Pau isn't
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LeBabby needed a lot of help.(Weak eastern conference, multiple super stars on team, refs)
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>>75769440
I agree with Pau being better than Bosh but >>75769162 point is still valid.
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>>75769486
>Kevin Love
>superstar
pick one
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>>75769440
Pau got to the lakers with limited defense skills and much older. His early to mid years with the grizzlies were his best years and adjusted his post up game when he got to l.a.
Bosh was still considered a franchise player when he got to the heat.

Even if you cancel those guys out lebron still had irving and love. I'll still stick by my original post.
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>>75769569
Sorry buddy but every team wanted love when he was with the wolves deny it all you want.
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>>75769569
hurr hurr memes

Of course he's a superstar
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>>75769540
It's not valid at all. LeBron has had literally 1 teammate his entire career with superstar impact - 2011 Wade. After that Wade's injuries killed him, he wasn't close to a superstar was 2012 on. By 2013 he was inconsistent as fuck. By 2014 Wade was basically done.

And don't even get me started on calling Irving/Love superstars. Cavs wouldn't make the playoffs in the East without LeBorn. Not to mention BOTH WERE INJURED IN 2015, so LeBron's supporting cast in the 2015 finals was actually terrible. The one year they played they won the title.
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>>75769569
This
>Love and kyrie are trash
>Lelbron can't win a championship without a superteam
which is it /sp/?
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Its time to stop posting when I read dumb shit like irving and love werent considered stars before they joined together.
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>>75769717
see >>75769719
By your logic Kobe had 3 other superstars when Nash and Dwight went to the Lakers. They were superstars at one point right?? Kobe couldn't even get to the finals with such a stacked team!

You're flat out lying if you think Wade/Bosh/Kyrie/Love had superstar impact WHEN THEY PLAYED with LeBron.

You're also ignoring fit. The reason the guys LeBron played with were considered stars was their scoring. You get diminishing returns there. It's why Jordan's teams were so killer with Pippen such a great defender/playmaker. Same with Rodman, they did other things on the court so their skillsets didn't overlap with Jordan.

It's also why Draymond is so important to GS. Curry/Durant are better than Draymond but I actually think GS would be hurt the most by losing Draymond vs the other two

Funny how you ignore the injuries in 2015.
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>>75769717
>>75769718
he is horrific. every team wanted him because back then every team wanted a big man who could shoot. his defense is awful and he could easily be replaced by Ilyasova or some other no-name

imagine if they still had Wiggins. Wiggins isn't a superstar but they would be undeniably better
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>>75769849
meant to quote >>75769689
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>>75769849
>superstar impact when they played with LeBron

Obviously becuase as superstars they all lead their teams and then ended up on a team where Lebron took the lead. Their talent doesnt then somehow become less you fucking moron.
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>>75769717
Are you guys blind?

Of course Love's going to look worse when he's the 3rd option vs the 1st option with Rubio setting him up.

Same reason Bosh's game got neutered.

Honestly the Cavs and Heat would have been better off replacing Irving and Wade with a couple quality role players. LeBron and shooters automatically gives you an elite offense. Give him some defenders and shooters and you're good to go instead of Wade and Irving iso on offense and be lazy on defense.
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>>75769903
Do you even watch the the NBA?

I have no idea how anyone can think Kyrie and/or Love are superstars? How do either impact the game outside of volume scoring?

How did the Cavs do prior to LeBron coming back? How did the TWolves do with Love?

ZERO playoff appearences
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>>75769849
>old and injured nash
>unmotivated diva howard with back issues.

We're talking injuries? Bynum in 08. Could have made a huge difference never a star but he was up and coming.

Lebron has had more young stars still near their prime on his team. Nash was done and howard was rented. Injuries happen yeah but to really say something like irving and love wouldnt have done shit without lebron is a bit of a stretch.
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>>75769903
Nash/Kobe/Pau/Dwight

4 superstars, 4 HOFers, 2 MVPs, 30+ all-star appearances.

0 titles, couldn't even make the finals
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>>75770020
ooh so now context matters?

acting like Wade was 2012-2014 (especially the last two years) is prime Wade is a joke.

2012-2014 Wade is comparable to Dwight on the Lakers

Also, Bosh was miscast as a 3rd option and not allowed to maximize his impact.

Also the best skillset of ALL of the LeBron's best teammates is scoring. He's never had a Pippen/Rodman/Draymond to affect the game in other ways. Or a big man capable of great defense.

Bosh turned into a good help defender but he was getting abused by Roy Hibbert and ancient Duncan in the playoffs. He never got close to even Pau's level of D.
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Wade against the Spurs in the '14 finals

15/3/2 with a .504 TS

oh, and some of the worst defense you'll ever see

true "superstar" right there
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>>75769162
You think Kyrie is better than prime Pau?? You think Love is better than prime Pau??

One of the dumbest things I've ever seen. I hope you're 18 and are saying this because you only remember Bulls/Spurs Gasol
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LeBron will go down as the stat-king and probably the better player but Kobr was so much more fun to watch
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>>75770664
To each their own, I'd rather see godlike efficiency with high BBIQ and surgeon like dominance versus setting yourself up 1 on 1 and executing against a high degree of difficulty
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>>75766187
Durant is on the fucking warriors you hating spic fuck, they're literally undefeated
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>>75756896
>that flag
>sucks off LA
biased much?
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>>75756549
>Tfw you'll never see MJ, '11 rose, scottie pippin, roddman vs shaq and kobe, lebron, magic vs curry, Durant, westbrick, both isaiah thomas
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>>75760823
I was born in 1997?
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>>75754220
Kobr's the kind of player on the playground that takes a bunch of terrible fade-away shots and misses until about the 6th try and everyone goes "ooooooh!!" when he finally makes it.
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>Eastern conference arguments

You realize if LeBron played in the West he'd have much better teammates as well, right?
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>>75773952
and if the east is so easy why aren't superstars going there?
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>>75774189
>KG going to the celtics
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>>75760823
I was born in 86 and it's easily Lebron. Kobe wasn't even the best player on his own team during his first three ships.
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>>75760823
90 here

Doesn't even make sense. Kobe and LeBron weren't at their best in their younger years, although they were probably the most fun to watch.

I rarely come here, do you guys actually let non-US flags have opinions about basketball?
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>>75749346
Thanks Leltics
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>>75748962
who dabs better? then we'll have the answer
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>>75748962
It's not even a debate. Lebron is a better all around player, not even questionable. Fuck outta here
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>>75756887
Kill yourself
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LeBron 10+ years better than Kobe's best year. Not much of a debate to be had.
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I'm pretty sure if Kobe could do it all over he would do two things:

1. Never rape that chick
2. Be more social and friendly, especially with his team.

Jordan wasn't nearly as much of a ball hog as Kobe was and as a result he made his team better. Kobe would often shoot his team out of games, something I don't think lebron would ever do.

Anyway LeBron is a good tier above Kobe imo and this is coming from a lakers fan.
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>>75774189

Because the owners and front offices in the East are dumpster fires. Have you not seen the front offices of the bulls and knicks??
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Why is this troll thread still up? Stop trying to KObr relevant by comparing him to lelbron
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>>75778323
LeBron cant hold Kobe's jock. You millenials know you can't talk about the Mamba since you never saw him in his prime. Mamba would never lose to Dallas like that. #mambamentality
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>>75779001
Lmao Kobe won back to back championships then got sweep by Dallas
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>>75779022
Mamba was old and didn't have two superstars next to him. Mamba wouldn't go scoreless in the 4th.
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>>75779001
>millenials
You're 99% likely to be a millennial too you dickfaggot, otherwise you wouldn't be a kobefag.

and also this >>75779022

Really the worst example you could have chosen.
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>>75779068
Not an excuse, he won the title two years in a row then got swept. Pathetic
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>>75779204
I guarantee you he completely forgot about it lmao

It was the same year too.
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>>75772441
kys
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>>75779204
5 rings, count em. Mamba had already accomplished all he needed to as the indisputed best player of his generation.
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>>75779510
Duncan also had 5 rings
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>>75779510
>5 rings, count em.
How many Finals MVPs
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Knock knock
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>>75748962
kobe gets hyped up by LA fuckbois. not even top 10
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>>75748962
Cavs have a worse winning percentage than the fucking Nets without him playing since 14, and he's got a ring and 2 finals qppearences and likely 3 with garbage around him like he always has had in Cleveland.

Overrated shit for help on Miami as well(especially later on)
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>>75748962

Lebron has been the better player since about five years ago. If he had a Phil Jackson tier coach, he would have been in his own dynasty already.
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>>75752045
Magic was better than Kobe

.>>75766187
And Durant's team has 4 All-Stars in their starting line-up, and won the most games this year.

>>75779001
The same Mavericks team that swept the Lakers.
And Kobe's prime was when he missed the playoffs, then made the 7th seed the next two years, got eliminated in the first round (twice) and then cried for a trade.

Gasol and Phil had to come back and gift him 4 and 5.
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>>75779831
>Overrated shit for help on Miami as well(especially later on)
For whatever reason, people use the Ray Allen and Millers threes to overlook the fact that most of the team were coasting during those runs. If I remember correctly, Lebron had to play every position on the floor in order to get the team through that first run.
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>>75780035
It's really disappointing that he never got a great coach. I think his early confidence issues might not have been a thing if not for that. I also don't think LeBron ever really respected any of his NBA coaches.
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>>75757347
that crusty nigga would average 18/7/2 now
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>>75780170
>I also don't think LeBron ever really respected any of his NBA coaches.
He has overruled basically all of them on more than one occasion. I think the only coach he really respects is Popovich.
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>>75748962
There is no debate. Kobe isn't on that level, but a tier below. This is already common knowledge.
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>>75780252
Coach K is probably his favorite coach.
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>>75780252
he also doesn't mind Lue. he listens to that midget.
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>>75780241

dude, he would average like 10ppg. 10/12/2
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>>75757971
Lmao Lebron had absolutely no one on his team that came close to being as good as Lamar Odom who was with Kobe his entire shitty tenure before Phil Jackson and Derek Fisher came back, Pau Gasol was handed to him for practically nothing, and Andrew Bynum became the 2nd best Center in the league when healthy.

Lebron's best player was fucking Zydrunas Illgauskas. The only other player on his team that could even average more than 10 points a game was Larry Hughes.
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>>75779367
no YOU!
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>>75748962
This ain't 2008 anymore.
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Kobe is like Eli Manning while Lebron is like Peyton Manning. The latter is known for choking especially early in his career but the talent is on a completely another level.
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>>75756899
>muh east
The Pistons, the Big 3 Celtics or even the Pacers were certainly no joke. Meanwhile some teams in the west got overrated to fuck and back just because of their conference, especially those fucking Steve Nash Suns.
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>he literally unironically has Kobe in the top 5
>he literally unironically and has the audacity to have Kobe in his top 10.
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> kobe
> all time great
Quite the imagination some of you have
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>>75756887
wew lad
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>>75783326
Current Eastern conference is garbage. I don't know what the bad boy pistons have to do with the current crapties
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Kobe is a better basketball player but LeBrons a better leader, point guard, team player, husband, dad aka an emotional SOB.
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Put LeBron on those Laker teams instead of Kobe and they win the title everyone year from 2000 to 2006. 7 rings. That's a fact
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>>75788543
>Kobe is a better basketball player but
lolno
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>>75760823
91' here. Lebron is clearly superior. Anyone who thinks otherwise is being mentally memed by Kobes threepeat, as if Shaq didn't win finals MVP for all of those rings. If Lebron were on the same team as prime Shaq they literally would have gone 82-0.
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>Lebron gets to play in the woeful eastern conference
>Still only has 3 rings
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>Kobe "brick" Bryant
>Good

forever the Diesels little brother
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>>75760823
Not even close to true. Sure maybe people who started following in the early 2000s are more likely to be Kobe fans. But go earlier than that and you'll see most people have LeBron over Kobe and it's not close. Hell most people from that time have Magic ahead of Kobe with LeBron above both.

Hell I've seen a lot of really intelligent posters age 40+ actually have Jerry West above Kobe. I'm talking about placed like APBR / realgm player comparison board. Lot of them actually saw Russell / Wilt play too and still have LeBron ahead of them with Kobe on the outside of the top 10 (usually in the 10-14 range).
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>>75752045
Magic is higher in his position rankings than Kobe is in his position.
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>>75794112

I hate this meme.

Magic wasn't better than Kobe you fucking retards, I don't even have Magic top 15.
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>>75779706
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>75794188
isiah > magic
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>>75794188
I assume you're at least 50 years old to say some shit like this right?

Or are you one of those pathetic kids who ranks players he's never watched
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>>75794469

46 next month

>>75794286

100% Isiah was better than Magic, agreed.
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>>75752045
Magic is better than any current player you subhuman shit skin
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>>75754042
>be the best player on a team good enough to make the finals
>get beat multiple times on the biggest stage because you choke

People that can't understand the argument are retarded. Getting knocked in the first few rounds means the team can't go the length and isn't indicative of a player's skill. Look at Bron in the cavs teams that couldn't get past the Celtics. It wasn't (all) him, even though he did literally quit on his team in one of those series like a weak little bitch, it was because his team wasn't good enough to get to the finals. When you're good enough to get to the finals though, that's when a star is there to make a difference

Lelbron is lucky that the warriors exhibited the biggest choke job in the history of the sport last year.
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>>75748962
In their primes Kobe was better but overall it goes to Lebron.
Kobe was unstoppable in his prime and he averaged 40 PPG while being being one of the best defensive players in the NBA. Lebron may have a better FG% but Kobe regularly put up circus shots day in and day out.
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>>75798652
>being being
Fuck
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Kobe shits all over LeBrick. He's an actual skilled player.
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>>75798652
>>75773898
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>>75786701
You're a literal retard. Lebron beat the 53 win Pistons team that previously won a ship on his road to the finals.
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>most missed FGs in history

stupid chucker doesnt even make top 25 all time
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both great. also, fuck KD
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