Is there a way for LeBron to pass MJ as the GOAT?

Winning 3 straight would help
In all likelyhood Lebron will end his career with more points, rebounds, assists, blocks, steals than Jordan, and maybe even a better %

>pass #4 all time
>become goat
doesnt work that way

>>75697160

If he beats this warriors team he is the GOAT

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>>75697281

Is there a way for hawaii to pass them both as the goat?

>>75697281
Classic spuh post

>>75697303
And if he doesn't he's forever out of the discussion because that will give him 5 (FIVE) Finals loses.

I don't understand how niggas consider him even top 5 All Time when he already has 4 (FOUR) Finals loses and he played like dog shit in 2 of them.

He already did.

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By beating the memeriors again

Name one final team that Jordan play against that were as good at GS

He will be GOAT to all you little faggots, just like Kobr was GOAT to previous faggots, Jordan to older faggots and Russell to the even older faggots. In summary, you are a faggot.

>>75697381
>final losses
Stupid argument. Is getting bounced in the first better than losing in the finals? Every final you don't make it to is a lose and so Jordan is 6-9 and Lebron is 3-10

>>75697411
>Is getting bounced in the first better than losing in the finals?

What difference does it make, both teams won't win a ring, Jordan only lost in the 1st round twice and never missed with the Bulls while LBJ missed the playoffs twice and got bounced in the 2nd round in 2010 when he won MVP. Once Jordan hit his prime he never lost, can't say the same for LeBron.

>>75697510
>Never lost
His first year back after the retirement, he lost in 6 to the Magic

>>75697535
He came back the last week of the regular season that year and wasn't in Basketball shape.

>>75697577
So? You said when he hit his prime he never lost. If Jordan was confident he could play in the playoffs who are you to tell me otherwise?

>>75697160
He lost three finals, he never will.

Nah no one is ever touching Michael. Lebron would have had to beat the Mavs for the 3peat in Miami to come close. Missed too many opportunities.

>>75697702
He lost 4 (soon to be 5).

2007, 2011, 2014, 2015, 2017.

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>>75697160
The thing LeBron has going for him is that the competition has improved dramaticly since the '90's. There was only a couple of good teams back then and then one of the best teams ever. It was really unfair back then. Lebron in every finals, expect in '11, has been the underdog. Whereas Micheal always had the considerably better team and was never the underdog. So, LeBron's accomplishments are weighed more but Michael still edges him. If LeBron gets two more rings, especially one against this warriors team, then he will go down as GOAT.

He's already the GOAT

People who disagree need to do therapy to cure their unhealthy nostalgia

>>75697702
>rating a player's individual skills based on team results
Jordan's Bulls were fucking stacked

Do you rate Bosh over Rodman? Do you rate JR Smith over Pippen?

Michael Jordan has the edge because his scoring ability is unmatched. MJ at 40 years old had a better post game than Lebron.

If he wins 1 Defensive player of the year he will surpass Jordan.

>inb4 buhh waddabout dunk contest titles

its a complete joke these days, who cares

>>75698929
>popularity contests define a player hability
Next thing you're gonna say is that the MVP is a relevant award

>>75697160

Children who imply man who won 11 titles isn't GOAT will never be good posters

Nothing matters. Lonzo will be the unarguable GOAT in ten years.

>>75698955
He will be the next Dante Exum

>>75697398
Jerry Stackhouse Rookie Year

-Stackhouse tells the story about his first encounter with Mike as a rookie
-So Jerry is guarding Mike as Mike brings the ball down the court. Jerry is waiting for him on the other side of half court.
Jordan makes eye contact with Stackhouse and starts the trash talk of course
JORDAN:Which Side?
Jerry doesn't say anything back because he knows Jordan is trying to get in his head.
JORDAN: Which Side? STACKHOUSE: Whatever man, just play ball man JORDAN: I'm not saying what side do you want me to go by you, thats gonna happen regardless, I'm going to put you on my poster today so I am asking you what side you like of yourself and I'll make sure that when I dunk on you I know what side you want showing."

>>75698955
Lonzo will be a bust. He is too dependent on his daddy.

I can just imagine he gets drafted by a team other than the Lakers. He won't be able to cope without daddy with him all the time.

>>75698929
Too bad Lebron hasn't played defense in the regular season for years

>>75697577
>last week of the regular season
>played 17 games

must have been a busy week

>>75697381
5 finals losses is the end of it? so 4-4 is better than say, 10-5? get the fuck out of here you idiot. finals losses dont matter, only finals wins matter. 6 to 3 atm

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He'll never surpass the true GOAT.

>>75699210
these young bloods don't even know

>>75697395
>Name one final team that Jordan play against that were as good at GS

Uh... Every one of them? Plus the Knicks and Pacers from the East.

>>75699210
Bill Russel?

>>75699420
wew

>>75698775
>The thing LeBron has going for him is that the competition has improved dramaticly since the '90's.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! The East has been huge joke ever since Garnett and Allen started declining in the Celcucks. The rise of Derrick Rose was awesome but then the injuries happen. The East is shite, LeBum's teams would be Round 2 exit in the West.

>>75698775
This is a load of shit. The NBA has been watered down over the years by expansion. It was strongest in the 80s when there were 22 teams. That makes Bird/Magic dual GOATs.

>>75697160

MJ is the product of a watered down league.

He was an elite player but couldnt compete with peak celtics, lakers, or pistons. He only won titles with a league diluted by expansion and injuries to superstars.

If LeBron even pushes this absurdly stacked warriors team to 7 hes the unquestioned GOAT

>>75697160
>Is there a way for LeBron to pass MJ as the GOAT?

No chance, that ship sailed after the 2011 Finals when the guy had a 8pt game in the series. LBJ can maybe pass Magic for 4th All time but that's where it stops. Russell, Kareem and Jordan are safe from LBJ. Lonzo Ball has a higher chance of passing Jordan than LBJ does.

>>75699553
good post. I think lebron has passed Magic tho

>>75699553
Kek you MJ dick riders act like Jordan never had a bad game

>>75699210
Devin Booker?

>>75699656
But Jordan literally scored 120 points per game while playing five on one.

>>75699656
Jordan saved Earth from the Monstars, go fuck a sheep

>>75699553
Jordan lost 3 years in a row to the Pistons

>>75699718
And then he beat them.

>>75699431
Wilt was better than Russell. The Celtics were just a GOAT team. One man can't overcome five by himself.

>>75699745
Yeah, after they won two rings stirght and gotten old, you nigger :^)

>>75697160
Space Jam 2

>>75700863
>gotten old

not an argument

>>75698775
LeBrons Cavs wouldn't beat the pistons.

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>>75697398
>Kobe
>a GOAT to anyone of any age including all literal faggots

Anyone else feel like Jordan wouldn't be that good nowadays? He couldn't shoot 3's, and he played when there was still the illegak defense rule so you couldn't have help defense waiting to limit his drives. If you played him now, couldnt you just sag off and concede long shots and have 2 guys waiting back to stop any drives? Why would he be any different than DeRozan looked yesterday when the Cavs focused on him?

>>75699420
>all of them
Lmao, no

>>75700961
Yeah it is.

Are you going to tell me that mj during his wizards years were just because he is shit and not old?

Fuck off

>>75697395
Spurs, Rockets, Jazz would destroy the Cavaliers, Warriors.

>>75700961
>getting old in a sport is not an argument
Slav Jordan dick rider plz

>>75701022
Jordan would just change his game to whatever was effective. That's what made him GOAT. Rather than just a physical freak like lebont.

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>>75697160
wait has lebron played more basketball than jordan?I mean since he joined the league as a teenager has lebron played more basketball than he lived life?

>>75697398
no one considers kobe at all except bandwagon LA fags

>>75697411
>so Jordan is 6-9 and Lebron is 3-10
so even then Jordan is twice as good

Kill himself and be reborn again

>>75697160
Has LeBron surpassed Kareem?

>>75701022
Bruh really?So you are saying kobe who played in this league couldn't get points?

What are the best basketball shoes?

>>75699210
>Scoring 100 against Whities who played as a second job.
>GOAT

Lets be honest, NBA didn't start until the 70's,

>>75701498
Kobe was an inefficient chucker, yeah. Massively overrated.

>>75701350
>Jordan would just change his game to whatever was effective
How do you know that? Have you taken a time machine back to the past and made Jordan play against today's players with today's rules?

>>75697160
>Hand checking

Lebron would fucking dominate every era of the nba and shit all over jordans bulls

>>75702196
MJ is still the greatest scorer of all time, this era would just give him a shitload more free throws and he would likely work to improve his 3point shooting like everyone else post-Curry.

Honestly no, LeBron could win 7 straight titles from here on out and he'll still "never be Jordan"

>>75701458
In everything except regular season career scoring, yeah probably.

He already is, dragging the first Lebron-era Cavs team to the playoffs five times is an achievement more worthy than coasting with Pippen and Rodman

>>75698890
Wanna talk about stacked look at lebron in Miami.

>>75702453
Pippen > Wade or Bosh.

>>75700863
Slightly older. The pistons said that when they were playing against them they realized they were playing against better versions of themselves

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>it's a memebron is better than jordan episode

>>75702407
But he won't win

>>75702480
>8 pts in the finals
MJ had great teammates but he stilled played he didn't coast like lebron does. He made his own points on top of his teammates.

>>75697395

MUH BAD BOY PISTONS

a lot of MJ is just mythology

like i've never got why people continue to imagine that it's better to lose before the final than lose in the final

>>75697160
He must have his mom killed by the mob over a huge debt for that to happen.

>>75702196
I don't need a time machine. I'm an oldfag and saw him live and the way he evolved his game. One thing you can't understate is his character/will. It's on another level to Lebron. Lebron is like a 16yo playing against 12yo's.

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>>75701195
Bad Boys Pistons were in their 40s when they finally lost to Jordan? Huh, did not know that, you live and learn, I guess. Huh.

No. Won't even pass Kobe.

>>75701022
>He couldn't shoot 3's

14 yr old detected. Go die in fire.

ITT: Delusional Jordanfags

>>75698929
>Lebron
>defense

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>>75708500
kek kobe isnt even top 10 and lebron is easily top 5

>>75708500
Why are all Kobe fans such casuals?

ITT: Bronsexuals who think DeRozen, Fatwry, Lance Stephenson, Celcucks, Derrick Rose, Noah and Al Horford are worthy obstacles to the Finals. Nice """""conference""""" you got there, East.

Here's the list of """""centers""""" and """""power forwards""""" LeBum had to steamroll through over the years: Joakim Noah, Roy Hibbert, Jonas Valanciunas, Al Horford, Myles Turner, Taj Gibson, Tyler Zeller, Thadeus Young, David West. Such competition, much wow. And the mighty PFs such as Jae Crowder, DeMarre Carrol, Paul George, etc. Totally comparable to the Jordan murderers, guise.

>>75708452
Not my argument

You dont have to be 40 to be old in nba 30 would do and most of them were.

>>75699546
The same argument could be made for why lebron never got past the Celtics big 3 before he got to Miami. Neither of them had any help early in their careers.

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>>75701022
>He couldn't shoot 3's

>>75712447
His career % is like 33%

>>75712268
Also, he needs 2-3 more rings and to pass Karl Malone on the all time scoring list. His choking in 2011 and not being able to win one game in 2007 can't be forgotten just like that

>>75712524
>2007
i know you hate lebron, but come on dude
that 07 team had absolutely no business being in the finals
the 2nd best player was a washed up slightly-above-average larry hughes
there was ilgauskas and varajaeo trying to guard a prime Tim Duncan, and literal whos guarding prime ginobili and parker
keep in mind they only got there because lebron scored like 20 straight points against a great pistons D to close it out, looking superhuman in the process

He's just BARELY top 5 right now.
If he wins against the warriors this year, he is undoubtedly top 5, and most likely top 3.

The Warriors are unfair. They out-matched the Cavs last year completely in the head-to-head but LeBron managed to somehow tap into his jesus-gene and win. But now Warriors are just miles beyond LeBron.

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if the Cavs got swept this year.

Overall, if LeBron wins this year, he objectively enters the Top 5 and can start being seriously considered as the GOAT.

If he BTFO the warriors again

every player in the league now is better than every player before, which means lebron is #1

friendly reminder that Lebron has yet to surpass Kobe and he probably never will

also friendly reminder, Kobe has TWO MORE RINGS.

>>75712774
This truth will trigger LeBumfags

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Imagine LeBeta having to get past these guys in the ECF. He can't even handle the bants from Charles Barkley during the regular season. Laimbeer, Rodman, Mahorn, and Thomas would mind fuck him.

Fuck, Lebron got punked out by Jason Terry, Jason fucking Terry!

>>75713719

the realest nigga, of the most real nigga era...bill laimbeer...

>>75713719
I feel like if hard fouls were allowed in the modern NBA LeBron wouldn't do that badly, simply because he's big and strong, and also because being beaten up by the players who hated him would have toughened him up.

But yeah, I don't think he could have withstood the Bad Boys. Jordan couldn't even withstand them, he only started winning when they got old.

>>75712514
and that is with the shortened three point line for 3 years

>>75713783

laimbeer and mahorn were 6'11 and 6'10 and built like brick shit houses. even lebron's football build couldn't take much "tap-tap" from them

>>75712514
Jordan would've just turned himself into a great 3pt shooter if that was the best method to win. Guy used to hit fadeaways from the baseline like it was nothing.

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YOU'RE FUCKIN DEAD LEBETA

>>75699197
In your scenario 10 > 4 so finals losses is irrelevant dumbass.

>>75701022
>MJ and derozan in the same sentence

>>75702138
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G94iJr8ZbzM

Idiot.

>>75701022
>Imagine Jordan against the no touching allowed defenses of these days.

>>75699210
Steph Curry?

>>75701209
>Rockets
Please fill me in on the time Jordan beat the Rockets in the finals

>>75697160
No.

>>75697398

This is the most /sp/ post ever.

>>75701518

Tmac 3s

>>75713992
Your dumb ass said 5 finals losses disqualifies him permanently. Idiot.

>>75713719
legod would put them all on their asses considering he is 6'9" 280 and the most athletic basketball player ever, one of the fastest and quickest too in his peak

He already has

>>75697395
All Of them you underaged teen.

>>75697160
he already has

>>75716997
Lmao, sure, oldhead. Some two man show utah twice, old man aid johnsom lakers, one man show dexler, two good players and super old white man sonic team, and charles and the literal whos.

Wow, good one.

GS team is way more stack than then, faggot.

>curry
>klay
>dray
>kd
>and a good bench

If he won a chip on a team in the West I'd consider it

>>75712514
And he was not the designated 3pt shooter. I think that's a pretty good pct.

What was his 3pt clutch % btw?

>>75700594
If Wilt was on those Celtics teams instead of Russell, they still win all 11, maybe more. Wilt was just a fucking freak of nature and one of the best defenders ever, along with Russell. if Wilt played today he'd be the most dominant and biggest big man/player in the league by far. He would literally be unguardable.

>>75708693
>>75708693
Every 90s "superstar" is ridiculously overrated. The 90s was one of the weakest basketball eras since the 50. Over expansion and the gap between modern athletes dilutes the fuck out of that league. Everyone always talks about all the great competition Jordan faced, but he routinely beat them, resoundingly, so he fucking great could they actually have been? I watched, they weren't. The 90s is one of the most overrated periods in the league thanks to the mega global advertising campaign surrounding Jordan

>>75713719
Jordan never got past them until they got old and worn down. Same as the Celtics and 76ers. Jordan never beat those guys in their prime.

>>75713852
>>75713852
laimbeer was the fucking Kelly Olynyk of the 80s lmao. Built like a brick shit house the guy was a string bean asshole who was only "tough" cuz he did dirty shit, like cheap shotting guys and stomping on players broken feet. Robert Parish cleaned his fucking clock in the middle of a game and Laimbeer stayed the fuck away from Parish for the rest of their careers.

Bill sucked, but he was irritating, but he was a dirty cocksucker. The Pistons were "good" at defense because they hit you like 5 or 6 times after the bucket was scored or whistle blown.

>>75712579
I don't hate the guy but he couldn't win one game. That was really disappointing if you saw what he did to get to the finals

>>75719241
>21 years old
>team full of literal who's
>playing against arguably one of the GOAT teams at their prime

Aside from Duncan in 03 and Hakeem in '94, LeBron in '07 is the closest anyone has come to "winning a ring by themselves".

>>75699420

shut it you filthy gpy nigger

you can suck the pus from cysts off your grandmothers nomad vaginer

did you start watching basketball when your country received internet for the first time this year?

>>75697160
Taking more roids

>3-4

>>75719224
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu8Da3pe9h0

legendary

1:01 he a good boy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtBSIni2P6Q

Based Parish doesn't give a fuck

>>75715762
I don't know anything about basketball but i've found this channel recently. How is he not the GOAT? Apparently there's proofs he has the best physical abilities the game ever saw and has numbers no one could even dream attaining. So?

>>75699656
Jordan literally never scored less than 20 pts in any playoff game. Jordan had single digits scoring games 5 times in his career

>MUH MJ WAS PERFECT BASKETBALL GOD WHO COULD DO NO WRONG AND WILL NEVER EVER BE SURPASSED AND COULD DEFEAT ANY TEAM OF ANY 5 PLAYERS IN THEIR PRIME BY HIMSELF BECAUSE HE WAS THAT GOOD AND FLAWLESS HNGHHHHHH

I do agree Jordan is still a better player than LeBron but I take exception to the mythical pedestal people put Jordan on. He's the GOAT but don't get carried away.

>>75713719

The world isn't ready for a hardened Lebron that's in Fuck You mode 24/7 instead of when he gets tired of certain teams.

>>75719499
>>75719499
>that flop by Laimbeer after all the shit he started
>literally stomped on McHale's foot and refractured it
>knock another player out and there are no ejections

Parish didn't hit that motherfucker hard enough

>>75719619
t. someone who didn't watch MJ play live

He IS on his own tier. Always there would be arguments about who is the second better player because Jordan is the undisputed GOAT.

>>75719729
It seems like MJ is on his own tier because of all the overblown overhyped retards he beat up on. That's like propping up LeBron James for beating the Raptors and the Hawks every year.

Atleast LeBron didn't get a family member killed over his horrible gambling habits.

Wow staying out till 3 am at an Atlantic City bookie the night before a playoff game is exactly the kind of GOAT I look for.

>>75713852
It's funny watching old people misremember things

>>75719756
If you actually go back and watch the games from the 90s, it looks like top-tier high school ball now. Strategically is was played laughibly bad, even as a kid I understood this.People who shot 45% from 3s were still frowned upon from taking too many shots from there for fucks sake.

>>75719853
If Jordan played today in the constant 24/7/365 media cycle he would be the most hated athlete on the planet. Dude was a drunken gambler who was always out with strippers and shit. As it was, before he finally won, the sports journalists of the day lambasted him for being a selfish chucker who only cared about scoring titles. Jordan habitually yelled and bitched at referees for entire games too. This stuff is all casually forgotten tho because of the ridiculous hype cranked up by the retards who grew up watching him play and see him as a Superhuman God

>>75720114
I work with a guy that idolizes him. He's the mexican embodiment of a not good at basketball Jordan. I hate him.

people will always over rate the players of their own era

in 50 years time nobody will even discuss lebron compared to jordan, wilt and russell. hes only relevent because hes the best right now(barely)

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He already has

>>75720240
Statisticly the best player to play the game isn't going to be irrelevant as long as basketball is relevant

>>75697273
Wow nice inflated stats in a meme no defense league. Not even comparable to Jordan's era.

>>75699197
He doesn't have 10 wins faggot

>>75697160
The only ground that hasn't been covered by a GOAT is to win FMVPs with 3 different teams.

>>75719363
No bro, i didn't expect him to win, I'm a spurdora but after what he did to Detroit i thought he would have gotten one game. But he didn't get any. That's my whole point Iverson won a game in LA against Shaq and Kobe

>>75721109
>>75721109
AI had the DPOTY, coach of the year, 6th MOTY and was the MVP. LeBron didn't have any of those on his team

>>75699074
Fucking epic.

>>75721237
And how useful was mutumbo against Shaq? I get what you're saying but that spurs team wasn't as good as that Lakers team and AI's teammates were just as useless as bron's

>>75721408
Mind you uselessness =/= skill but i hope you got that

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>Any GOAT discussion
>Not having MJ or Kareem #1

Can you guys just shut the fuck up if you know nothing about basketball?

LeBron is not the GOAT and probably will never be GOAT. It's possible but unlikely. (Currently, it's Kareem.)

Stop the disinformation please. If you're over 30, you know for a fact that LeBron isn't the best over.

>>75721408
Who did the Spurs throw at LeBron? Bruce Bowen, Ginobili? A big step up from Tyron Lue. Cavs had no one to throw at Duncan let alone Parker. Anderson Varejao and Boobie Gibson?

>>75721451
I think you're completely ignoring the AI comparison. The Lakers outmatched the 76ers at every position (unless you count AI as a point guard) much like Cleveland was outmatched at every position but sf. He got one, bron got zero. In Miami when all his teammates were getting whooped he got them one. That's all I'm trying to say, at least get one. There was no way he was winning in 2007, we all know that but my argument is that as great as he was in that season he couldn't even get one game against the spurs.

>>75720540
Take off your nostalgia goggles.

Lebron has beaten the mid 00s Pistons, who had consistently one of the best defenses of all time

He's faced and beaten Kawhi and Igoudala and Draymond, all NBA and DPOY players.

"But muh handchecks and muh toughness!!!"

Shut the fuck up with this idiotic argument. Any defense with a semblance of complexity was literally against the rules in Jordan's era.

>>75721447
Also of note, blocks and steals started being recorded in 1973-1974. Kareem started playing in 1969-1970 with the Milwaukee bucks.

That means he played FOUR years without his blocks being recorded, AND STILL ended up 641 blocks behind #1 Hakeem Olajuwon w/ 3830 and 100 blocks behind #2 Dikembe Mutombo with 3289.

There were approximately ~82 games per season from 1969-1973. That's a total of 328 games.

To be first all time in blocks, a prime Kareem would have had to have had 1.95 blocks per game (doable). To surpass Mutombo, a prime Kareem would have had to have had .30 blocks per game (easy).

>tldr, Kareem is GOAT and the difference is even larger than it looks like on paper.

>>75721447
>not having Bill Russell as undisputed number one
>americans.jpg

lebron is just a big lard. he can only do what he does because he's genetically gifted with a huge frame. he just drives his fat fucking ass down the lane and if anyone tries to challenge him he gets free throws

>>75698775
Are you retarded? Mj went against birds Boston, ewings new York, wilkins Atlanta, barkleys sixers, Reggies pacers, the Hornets when they had the twin towers, Orlando when they had penny and shaq, hardaways Miami, prices cleavland all in the east

In the west he had to deal with the best Utah team ever, barkleys suns, hakeems rockets, magics lakers, payton and kemps Seattle, clydes Portland, run tmcs golden state, robinsons San Antonio, and even shit teams like the Nets had players like petrovic who were capable of carrying games.

Lebron played a large part of his career in arguably the weakest nba Era in the past 35 years. An Era where Joe Johnson was considered one of the best sgs in the league. Even then he couldn't dominate the league like Jordan did because a geriatric spurs team dominated him like a shit skin dominates Swedish men. Even now the league isn't that strong and players like james cum catcher harden are superstars when in the 90s he would be an even memeier starks.

Lebron will never catch Mj. When Mj went against a powerhouse east team in the Pistons he kept coming back harder and stronger each year. Patience paid off, pippen came, and he dominated on the back of struggle. When lebron went against a powerhouse east team in the Celtics he literally stormed off the court like a toddler throwing a tantrum, quit on his team when the series wasn't over, and then ran to Miami where he played on a team he put together himself. And when he faced adversity on his new team he went back to his old team who had 3 no 1 picks stacked up and shaped the team to his choosing again.

>>75721720
>germans
>talking shit about an american sport they know nothing about
>determining GOAT by titles won

In that case, the following players are all better than Jordan and Kareem:

Bill Russell
Sam Jones
Tom Heinsohn
K. C. Jones
Tom "Satch" Sanders
John Havlicek
Jim Loscutoff
Frank Ramsey
Robert Horry

>mfw

Also krautfag, total NBA points:
1. Kareem 38387 in 20 years (1919 pts per year)
4. Jordan 32292 in 15 seasons (2152 pts per season)
156. Bill Russell 14522 in 13 years (1117 pts per season)

>>75721823
Are you retarded? LeBron went against the Big 3 Celtics, Carmelo in NY, Horford's Hawks, DeRozan and the Raptors, PG's Pacers, the DRose Bulls, Orlando when they had Howard and Jameer, the Big 3 Wizards, the powerhouse Detroit Pistons New Bad Boys, the last years of the Kidd and Carter Nets. Al in the East.

In the West he had to deal with a Mavs team loaded with Allstars and Wade and Bosh and everyone else disappeared. A young bucks OKC squad with 3 future MVP candidates, the fucking New Age Spurs and the GSW superbuddies. He lucked out and only dodged the Kobe Lakers because he couldn't get past the Big 3 Celtics.

>>75721953
>Horry Argument
Nigga, please. If Finals MVP had been a thing back then, do you know how many Bill Russell would have had? 11! He would have more Finals MVPs than Kareem Abdul-Jabbar would have Finals appearances! He would have been the best player in each Finals series, something that neither Kareem nor Jordan (because let's keep it real, the deserving 1996 Finals MVP was Rodman) can claim.

Bill Russell was the elemental piece of the most dominant sports dynasty in post-WWII America. He competed against a league that, whilst in its infancy and, obviously, not as advanced as the current league, was not diluted to near-breaking point because of overexpansion like the NBA was during Jordan's days.

He was the master of mental manipulation. 99 % of all players, all time, would get demoralised when asked to play against Russell. I am certain of that.

He and his team played in a way that could be transplanted without any adjustment to the current age and would still have a shot at a playoff run. Look at the footage that actually is available on YouTube.

Once you get off of wanking to meaningless ppg and join the real world, where winning is the only thing that matters, you will realise that there never was - and probably never will be again - a bigger winner in basketball.

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>>75701022
>Jordan couldn't shoot 3s

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>>75719224
>I watched YouTube clips

>>75719196
>Jordan never got past them until they got old and worn down.

Shut the fuck up lying dirtbag, Isaiah was 29 and Dumar 28 at the time, you lying and deceiving cocksucker, you can spin as much ashit as you want to fit your narrative, it doesn't matter.

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>>75722173
>Carmelo in NY, Horford's Hawks, DeRozan and the Raptors, PG's Pacers, the DRose Bulls, Orlando when they had Howard and Jameer, the Big 3 Wizards
>Carmelo in NY
>Horford's Hawks
>Carmelo
>Horford
>Big
>3
>Wizards

>>75724377
Even Bosnians know the 90s were more stacked though no one was as stacked as the Bulls.

>>75701438
This.

>>75724392
Jordan made Pippen by playing with him from the scrap, he didn't sign him as a 4-time All Star from Springfield Niggers on a 120 mil. dollar contract.

>>75712774
Kobe never carried a team. Name one season he did. Westbrook is doing more in OKC then Kobe did between the Shaq and Gasol/Bynum eras. Cleveland is not a contender without LeBron. LeBron has carried teams, some real shit ones, too.

>>75712690
>Not even top 5.

This is why you don't smoke crack kids

>>75697160

friendly reminder that kobe is the GOAT

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How can he be the GOAT if he hasnt even passed the mamba yet?

>>75724512
07 Cavs team was arguably the worst team to make the finals minus their best player

Also people talk big shit about how impressive the east was in the 90s but in one of the two yrs Jordan was gone the 95 Magic won the east, one of the poorer teams to make the Finals, and the year after he retired in 98 a fucking 8 seed Knicks team won the East. All his opponents in the west were middling. The 90s expanded at a greater rate than the talent that was being produced. 90s was shit basketball, I dare someone to sit through one of those games on Youtube.

>but muh handchecks

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. LeBron James (Could be 1st by the end of his career)
4. Magic Johnson
5. Bill Russell/Wilt Chamberlain (huge debate)
6. Bill Russell/Wilt Chamberlain (the debate that made basketball intellectuals scream with each other)
7. Larry Bird
8. Kobe Bryant
9. Tim Duncan
10. Shaquille O'Neal/Hakeem Olajuwon/Oscar Robertson

>>75722173
I'll give you everything except the Mavs series. lebron choked and Wade carried them. It's the only blemish on LeBron's record in my opinion.

>>75725520
Change it to

8. Shaq
9. Duncan
10. Kobe

And its perfect

>>75726395
>the only blemish on LeBron's record

same here, shit was so disappointing. He was trying to do the same shit in 2013 and 2016 thru the first 4 games. he just goes into that passive mode in the Finals. fuck

EVERYONE STFU, STEPHEN CURRY IS UNIRONICALLY THE GOAT. LITERALLY CHANGING THE GAME AS WE SPEAK

>>75724336
>bbbut 2 guys were almost 30
Only one spinning is you assblasted nigger

>lebrick
>top 5

top kej

>>75724336
the Pistons literally collapsed and were never the same once Jordan finally got past them in '91 ECF. Isiah retired a few years later and the rest got traded or were already traded. Jordan beat Bad Boys on their last legs and shut their window for good. literally the definition of old and worn down

its like saying the Celtics weren't old and worn down when LeBron finally put them down in 2011 and 2012

>>75699668
That monstars team was full of chokers and busts.

>>75724336
Thomas was carrying so many injuries by that age. Everyone got traded off.

Jordan could never beat them without Pippen, and even so, lost with Pippen also.

>>75713992
Sorry I'm not good at conversing with autists

lebron is unquestionably the greatest basketball player of all time. the only question is how far ahead of the pack he finishes.
true hoops fans know this and any time some shitter says "b-b-but muh jordan muh bill russell" your opinion has already been dismissed. go sell stupid somewhere else.

>>75698775
stupidest thing I've ever read on this board

>itt slav jordan dick rider btfo countless time

>>75728682
>greatest basketballer playing in the most garbage era

Sure is to look good when you're a topaz in a pile of pig shit.

>>75731260
Jordan's era wasn't that good. It was basically the same as today, 4 contender teams, 1 or 2 stacked teams and the rest could barely afford a star and a bunch of scrubs.

Jordan didn't start winning until the Pistons dismantled and the Bulls became the stacked team.

>>75697160
He already has.

lebron is objectively a better player than jordan

this coming from someone who actually is old enough to have watched jordan play

IMO AT LEAST

>>75721619
>Beaten Kawhi
Ok

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>>75731363
>Bulls became the stacked team.

I wonder what happens if we did this for Lebron's teammates

>>75721619
None of that even comes close to the 80's Celtics & Pistons.

Never mind the sick cunt early 90's Knicks.

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MJ retires after his first 3peat and Lebron is the GOAT. Too bad he came back and got another 3peat.

>>75731583
btw, this number doesn't change that much to the extent of all the other GOATs during the second 3peat

>>75731653
just jumping in this convo to say you're autistic

even jordan himself said lebron could of played in his time. lebrons a badass mother fucker, accept it

>>75719536
It all comes down to eras imo. Jordan came after Bird and Johnson boosted the NBA to new heights and just took off. Prime Wilt would still be an absolute monster any time from the 80s until the current era.

>>75731583
It's not very different, at the end of the day he played with another two HoF players under one of the greatest coaches ever.

I think it's very early to tell if Love or Irving would make the HoF. Wade and Bosh are safe picks imo.

>>75731698
Play? You didn't ask if he could play.

You asked if he was better than Jordan.

>>75731714
i think kyrie could become hall of fame, he's still young and kicking ass. i don't think love is that good

>>75731698
Also this. Put Lebron in any era and he finishes top 3 all-time.

>>75731714
Pippen isn't HoF without MJ. Rodman was 35 when joined Chicago. Phil Jackson is a hack, as evident with the Knicks.

Kyrie is a HoFer for sure. Love will get in to. If Mourning can, he can.

>>75731731
listen you retard. you're talking about how good/tough the teams were "back in the good ole hay day hyuck hyuck"

i'm just boosting in this bitch to let you know his airness himself said lebron could handle it

>>75731757
>Pippen isn't HoF without MJ
That's bullshit.

>>75731762
Ok OK. Who guards Jordan in today's era?

Not a fuckn' sole.

>>75731787
*soul

lol, Them fishes can't guard shit.

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>>75731660

>>75731787
No one has to individually seeing as you can actually use Zone defence

>Heat cramps

>>75731781
No it isn't. Grant Hill is better than Pippen at everything and he isn't a HoFer. If Pippen didn't play with MJ, he'd be remembered the same way we do with Mookie or LJ - just a good player from the 90s.

>>75731814
Was waiting for this. You should make another shoop with how many 70+win seasons all those players had. I'll wait.

>>75731787
Lance Stephenson

>>75731842
You do realize Pippen had his best year without Jordan, right?

Literally took two years off in his prime to play baseball.

You people should be ashamed of yourself.

>>75731842

Grant Hill looked like he could have been the goat until injuries destroyed his career. There is no shame in being worse than a healthy Grant Hill

He has to get 6. Its possible

>>75731922
I know that. My original point was that Pippen doesn't become THAT Pippen without MJ next to him. He was basically Andre Roberson before picking up most of MJ's game during his early career with him.

>>75731965
Exactly. Put Grant Hill with MJ and MJ still wins 5-6 rings.

>>75697160
All Lebron has to do to tie with MJ is beat the 2017 Warriors. To pass MJ as the GOAT, Lebron has to 3peat by winning next year. He doesn't have to win 6 if 2 of those came from beating the 73-9 Warriors and the KD Warriors.

>>75732109
Mj dickriders will still say 6>5. If bron gets 6 its undisputable in my mind. Still possible. Jordan was about 32 when he got #4 so its very possible. But id say improbable

>>75732214
Lebron has already played more minutes than Jordan. He'll decline faster

The point being, the game became too easy for Jordan. He got bored with the game. Leaving many years on the table.

>>75732250
Cool broscience

>>75732291
>broscience
Yeah wear and tear is broscience

>>75732214
If he gets 6 then there is no question Lebron is GOAT. The reason why MJ fans bring up 6 though is because not only 6 rings but also 6 Finals MVPs. The others who contend for GOAT all had another guy win Finals MVP on the same team.

Kareem had Magic and vice versa, Lebron and Wilt only have 4 Finals MVP between them, Russell never played in the award's era and even then its likely Cousy or Sam Jones would have won one at least. Shaq and Kobe and only have 5 between them. MJ has 6 and I can't see anyone beating that. If Lebron can get 5, that would be enough for me for him to be the GOAT

>>75732109
Pippen was a instant impact player as soon as he left the bench. For all we know, without him Chicago wouldn't have those titles.

Also, Grant Hill will end up in the HOF, of course he would've also helped Jordan in his cause.

>>75732324
Thinking theres a direct correlation between minutes played and its exactly the same for every player is broscience yes

>>75732356
So Grant Hill makes it, but one of the all time greatest outlet passers in history doesn't?

>>75732356
>For all we know, without him Chicago wouldn't have those titles.
Yeah. This is why its fun to speculate, that is if you speculate with people who don't go apeshit if you disagree with them.

>Also, Grant Hill will end up in the HOF
Lets hope. He was my favorurite player growing up.

>>75732409
I'm saying Pippen without Jordan was still a HoF caliber player.

New Zealand anon is saying otherwise, good discussion desu.

>>75732459
I was talking about Kevin Love.

>>75732379
Playing more will mean that you're breaks down faster
There's a reason why Basketball player knees are more fucked up than regular peoples: They jump a lot more
Lebron has played more than Jordan and so his body will break down sooner than Jordan's did, who took two retirements

>>75732492
Oh, I said it was too early to tell. He's certainly on pace.

>>75732528
Love has to be. People forget about his historic seasons in Minnesota. Not 1st ballot but definitely a HoF player, he'll have to wait like Chris Webber

>>75697160
Play in a conference (West) where his megateam has some real competition

>>75732495
Kobe was putting up 60 point games at almost 38. I guess nobody told him about wear and tear

>>75732631
He averaged 17PPG that season, aside from the season he got injured and his first two in the league it was his lowest. If you watched that game you would see that the Jazz were basically feeling sorry for Kobe and wanted him to have a nice exit

>>75732495
Lebron is not a regular human.

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>>75697160
In 10 years Lonzo Ball will be to MJ what Tom Brady is to Joe Montana today.

>>75732631
He had a couple of season ending injuries during his last seasons in the league. While it's very specific to the subject, he's not wrong in theory.

>>75732631
>kobe single handedly beat the jazz at age 60
>CP3 couldn't even beat the jazz in game 7 at home to save his playoff career

damn the clippers were a fucking joke

>>75732686
Fultz is better.

Don't get hit by the hype train.

>>75732677
>jazz felt sorry for kobe
Lol stop. Nobody played more minutes than kareem and he didnt start slipping til like season 18 or 19. Barring injury Lebron can contend for another 5 years minimum

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>>75732686
>invoking the name of Joe cool in a post about Memezo Ball

I've officially seen it all fẩm

>>75732804
To be fair, Kareem's game allowed for him to play that long along with his yoga.

>>75732898
Point is there is no magic number of minutes where players cant play anymore. There is literally nothing to suggest lebron doesnt have several more seasons in him. Especially how the cavs coast through the reg season

>>75732930
Not to mention teams resting is a thing now and not just the Spurs.

>>75697160
Yeah when people forget what MJ was like.

>>75697160
he already has. Anyone who thinks he hasn't is retarded.

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>>75732727
No. Super athlete trained from birth. New era of NBA is going to be ushered in.

>>75697160
Win a championship in the west

>>75723345
Bill Russel got outplayed on multiple occasions by opposing big men in the playoffs

>>75731814
>the same team everyone mocks for going for 73 wins

>>75697160
IF he beats the Warriors this year, maybe 1b to MJ's 1a.

>>75731842
The regular season doesnt matter

>>75697160
You best be joking. Lebron can't even surpass Kobe as Assistant to the Regional GOAT.

>>75733493
>Making an "The Office" reference
What year are you stuck in and how can we help

>>75721109
RARE FLAG
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>>75713719
Lebron getting punked by Terry