If technical sound mma fighters pursued boxing instead, what

Technically sound in MMA = arms wider then your mom's hole for grappling advantages =/= boxing stance

>>75679120
>shoots heroin

>>75679174
still too soon desu

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post octagon murder

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boxing is for when there's no mma or kickboxing on

>>75679241
i watch local orgs but was amazing

>>75679086
All of these guys would be the boxing equivalent of a WWE jobber.

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>>75679257
you're in for a shock

>>75679273
I hope you aren't implying that Conor is going to beat Floyd.

>>75679290
fuck off doubter

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>>75679298

He won't though

>>75679298
I'm just being real. Floyd is a world class athlete. Conor is an Irish plumber who pretends to be one. I do find it funny that he's going to make 50 million and never step foot in the octagon again.

>>75679330
Conor is going to KO Mayweather inside three rounds. Just beat the fuck out of him and barely get touched.

Also, Anthony Johnson would KO Anthony Joshua inside ONE minute.

>>75679326
he will
>>75679330
>Floyd is a world class athlete.
>Conor is an Irish plumber who pretends to be one
fuck whatever else you said, one trains to box and one trains to box, kickbox, grapple and does jiu jutsu.

>>75679349
>rumble v joshua
wew

>>75679355
I'm sorry to offend you but there are no world class athletes in MMA. When you pay your athletes(im using this term very loosely) 8 grand to show and 8 grand to win you really shouldn't be surprised when you have a roster full of drywallers and baristas. No decent athlete is going to agree to step into the octagon for chump change. The fact that conor has been begging Floyd for years for a payday speaks volumes about mma.

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>>75679386
>there are no world class athletes in MMA
kys

>>75679386
>Jon Jones
>Not a world class athlete
You're retarded. Both of his brothers are in the NFL, it's in his genes.

>>75679386
>No world class athletes
>Yoel Romero, Olympic Wrestling Silver medallist in 2000
>Daniel Cormer, Captain of the Olympic Team in 2008
>Henry Cejudo, Olympic Gold Medallist in 2008
ffs

>>75679386
most mma fighters are literally Olympian wrestlers and boxers you dickhead

If they were good enough to be boxers they would be, instead of fighting for peanuts as Dana White's bitches

>>75679386
Holly Holm is literally a SIXTEEN TIME World Boxing champion.

Think before you speak.

>>75679423
They want to be fighters, not pathetic pillow tappers. Nobody bases their career solely on money.

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>>75679412
His brothers are world class athletes. Jon is unironically the failure of the family. He's 6'5 and can't even dunk. He knows it and that's probably why he roids and abuses drugs so often. He is the best athlete in MMA but that really doesn't mean much.

>>75679423
This, any ufc fighter would be a boxer if they had the skills to do so. Hell, most of them would rather be working for Vince McMahon over Dana White.

>>75679433
Let's break this down
>Henry Cejudo
Olympic Gold Medallist
>Yoel Romero
Olympic Silver Medallist
>Daniel Cormier
Captain of the Olympic Team
>Holly Holm
Multiple time World Boxing champion
>Alistair Overeem
World Kickboxing Grand Prix Champion
>Khabib Nurmagomedov
Multiple Sambo World Championships
>Semmy Schilt
4 Time World Kickboxing Grand Prix Champion
>Joanna Jędrzejczyk
6x World Muay Thai Champion

You can be a world class combat sport athlete outside of boxing, you know?

>>75679466
see
>>75679470
Why would Olympic Wrestlers want to be boxers?

>>75679470
Sure but boxing is the only one that's respected and the pay reflects that. MMA is a joke and not a funny one. The biggest draw in MMA history was a professional wrestler who came in and dominated your so called world class athletes with minimal training. If Brock could do that then what would a guy like lebron or von miller do?

>>75679477
The paycheck

>>75679497
The biggest draw in MMA history is Conor McGregor. Regardless, that's not the point here. You claimed there was no world class fighters in MMA, which I clearly disproved.

>>75679497
Brock got beat the fuck out of the sport.

A rugby league player dominated boxing.

>>75679501
Yes, I'm sure Daniel Cormier needs a big paycheck...

A rugby league player beat the fucking shit out of the guy that put Mayweather on fucking queer street, LOL.

Pillow tap is a fucking shit show

>>75679497
Also >>75679513
Brock was literally kicked out of the sport of MMA with a ruptured stomach due to ALISTAIR OVEREEM, a WORLD KICKBOXING GRAND PRIX CHAMPION.

Eh?

>>75679510
If they were world class they would be boxers. Just because you win a medal in some shit tier sport doesn't make you a world class fighter. Brock is also a bigger draw than conor and a better athlete as well.

>>75679525
Daniel Cormier, after only training striking for six months, beat the fucking shit out of Lucas Browne standing in his third ever MMA fight. Cormier sent that piece of garbage back to the shitshow that is boxing, where the competition is a little easier and where Browne went on to win a world championship

FUCKING LOL.

>>75679517
Daniel Cormier would suck Floyd's dick to get the opportunity conor is getting. Conor honestly has no business being in a boxing ring but he talked his way into a squash match with Floyd for big money and I respect that.

>>75679525
Why the fuck would wrestlers want to be boxers, you mong? Do you not understand that some people might not want to box? Some people might just want to train in wrestling, or jiu-jitsu, or muay thai? You've literally already said that you can be a world class combat athlete outside of boxing, but now suddenly, you've changed your story and said 'you can only be world class if your a boxer xDD'

Are you honestly this retarded?

>>75679524
Then brock had to come back after he healed up just to save ufc 200. You guys forget that he took a break from his pro wrestling to save the sport of mma.

>>75679539
kek

>>75679545
I said fighters. Fighter and athlete are two completely different things. Boxers just happen to be both and the pay reflects their skill level.

>>75679550
>Save the sport of MMA
I'm sure people would of still bought it, regardless of Brock Lesnar. Nobody even likes Brock Lesnar, only WWE fans who's entire fanbase is autistic.

>>75679567
>Me: 'You can be a world class combat sport athlete outside of boxing, you know?'
>You: 'Sure but boxing is the only one that's respected and the pay reflects that'
You literally agreed that you can be a world class combat athlete outside of boxing. Stop backtracking.

>>75679569
Brock saved that shit show and beat the shit out of hunt in the process. Brock fucking Lesnar had to save the ufc and their biggest show to date.

>>75679584
Why aren't you responding to the Aussie saying DC beat the fuck out of Lucas Browne, who is now a boxing world champion?

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>>75679569
MMA fans are pretty autistic too

>>75679593
I'm sure he did in an mma fight.

>>75679606
DC literally outboxed Lucas Browne and TKO'd him in Round 1.

Let's face it, a big reason why MMA is so popular in the US is because it promotes white Anglo fighters that the fans can identify with.

>>75679622
Champions by race
>HW: White
>LHW: Black
>MW: White
>WW: Black
>LW: White
>FW: Black (Brazilian)
>BW: White
>FLW: Black
Noticing a pattern here?

>>75679615
DC always has the threat of the takedown and is a big reason he is successful in the stand up. If you take that away he doesn't offer a whole lot.

>>75679622
Arguably the top 3 greatest MMA fighters of all time are all black. You don't know what you're talking about.

>>75679622
It's basically the new pro wrestling.

>>75679628
What do you not understand here? HE STOOD WITH A CURRENT BOXING WORLD CHAMPION AND BEAT THE FUCK OUT OF HIM. If boxing is so 'world class', why didn't Lucas Browne just knock the fuck out of him in the first couple of mins?

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>>75679644
Boxers can't even beat rugby league players.

>>75679644
Stand up in MMA and the sweet science of boxing are two completely different things. Do you honestly believe that DC would have the same result in a boxing match? Why are third worlders so fucking dense?

>>75679660
Put a boxer in an MMA cage and an MMA fighter will win. Put an MMA fighter in a boxing ring and a boxer will win. That's not my point here. I'm not saying MMA is better than boxing or boxing is better than MMA, you don't understand my point here. I'm saying that it is very possible to be a world class combat athlete outside of boxing and many of them ply their trade in MMA.

I have no nothing against boxing, it's just that I find it insulting to say there's no world class athletes in MMA when you literally agreed with me, then backtracked.

>>75679676
LeBron James is a world class athlete. Find me a LeBron in MMA.

>>75679676
There are world class fighters in MMA. Fighter and athlete are two different things. MMA doesn't pay well enough to attract world class athletes and that's a fact. Why would a Dez Bryant agree to get kicked in the head for 20 grand when he can make hundreds of millions playing football over the course of his career?

>>75679692
Dez Bryant would get killed if he tried to step into the cage so who gives a fuck

>>75679701
Dez would most likely dominate the pseudo-sport with minimal training let's just be honest. The gap in athleticism from football to mma is insane.

>>75679715
No he would not. He would get his glass jaw shattered inside 3 minutes by anybody. NFL players suck shit.

>>75679715
You're fucking ridiculous dude. People don't watch fight sports for the athleticism. Athleticism has nothing to do with it.

>>75679725
Brock Lesnar is easily the most athletically gifted person to ever step foot in the octagon and he won the sports biggest prize. That same brock who dominated mma couldn't make the practice squad in the nfl. What do you think would happen if you took one of the world's best athletes and trained him to fight? He would dominate mma in ways you have never seen. Also if you think nfl players are pussies you are very wrong.

>>75679745
Sports=athletics
Now somehow people don't watch them for the athleticism?

>>75679749
Brock did win with athleticism, he won with wrestling, and he did not dominate MMA. He went 1-1 with Frank Mir and was then beat out of the sport and exposed as a roiding fraud.

>>75679749
Brock also got his shit rocked a bunch of times. Athleticism isn't important.

>>75679776
Did NOT win with athleticism*

>>75679762
>Now somehow people don't watch them for the athleticism?

They watch fights for technique, willpower, intelligence, drama...not for athletics. That's for gymnastics and basketball.

>>75679776
He won with athleticism. His amateur wrestling isn't anywhere near Olympic level so let's not pretend he's Kurt fucking angle and he hadn't done it competitively in a decade. He was just more physically gifted than everyone else and it took a life threatening injury to dethrone him.

>>75679806
You can honestly see the same technique and fighting skill in the ufc at your local bar between two drunks. It's really not some high level sport.

Connor washed out of boxing in amateurs lol he has no shot against Mayweather. You know Mayweather is only going to agree to fight if it's boxing rules.

>>75679825
He had the wrestling advantage over Mir, the size advantage over old age Randy, and he beat Carwin by Carwin gassing himself out.

He then got beat out if the sport.

>>75679843
Ok man, whatever, you super hate UFC, I get that. Either you don't watch combat sports or you're too young to drink, because bar fights are pathetic.

t. bouncer

>>75679873
He had a life threatening disease man. He got beat up pretty bad but he was nowhere near healthy. The athletic commission should not have let him fight in the first place against Cain. This was almost as bad as when they let cm punk fight.

>>75679874
You must bounce at a gay bar. I've seen some pretty brutal bar fights.

>>75679905
Excuses

>>75679918
I have too. There's no technique, intelligence, drama, tactics or fighting skill. You know you're being a stupid faggot by suggesting drunks have the same fighting skill and technique as people who train for decades for this shit.

>>75679925
It's called the truth. Healthy Brock was a force. He got sick and went back to wrestling where he makes a lot of money to do nothing.

>>75679965
I have literally seen mma fights in the ufc where there are two guys with their eyes closed aimlessly swinging on each other. That's bar brawling tier.

>>75679086
lol if you think an above-average striker in mma can compete with pro boxers.

>>75679872
It has to be a boxing match. The ufc can't afford Floyd.

>>75679983
Rugby League players can. Maybe the threat of the tackle had Mosley shook?

>>75679966
It's called a work and you got worked. Brock is a pussy who wasn't cut out for the fight game.

>>75679326
>lands a million hits
>doesnt really hurt the guy

holy shit mma is gay. these dudes cant fight.

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>>75679983
MMAustism is a serious mental disorder.

>>75680008
You can't seriously think brock is a pussy. He may not be the goat fighter but he's far from a pussy. He only gets shit on because of WWE.

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you're kidding yourselves if you think boxers are better strikers than mma fighters

>>75680028
In terms of UFC fighters and fighters in general he is absolutely a pussy. He made a big excuse and bowed out back to where he can be a bully in peace and people don't hit back.

>>75679645
Drunk adults watching fights and Autistic men watching mandrama are the same thing
really makes me think

>Fail at boxing
>Go do MMA

Try and tell me otherwise. Looking at the "striking" in MMA is cringe worthy. The way they throw punches with shit technique and no power behind the punch is funny as fuck.

A failed boxer "Conor McShitor" is literally dominating the MMA with his shitty boxing and no ground game.

>>75680057
It's been admitted in this very thread by mma fanboys that UFC is the same as WWE. Vince McMahon just pays better than Dana White.

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>>75680057

>>75680004
Being tough and athletic counts for a lot in boxing. Maybe the rugby league guy was gifted?

>>75680068
It speaks volumes about mma as a sport when a guy who couldn't box and was working as a plumber is now the best fighter in the world.

>>75680068
Reverse that. See Lucas Browne.

Conor McGregor has never lost a boxing bout.

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>>75680069
americans are just mad because not only are the majority of champs white, theyre not americans either.

>>75680077
It most definitely does. You can't wing punches with your eyes closed in boxing and expect to get anywhere. It takes speed, precision, skill and naturally quick reflexes to get anywhere.

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>>75680009

you're gay

>>75680103
MMA was a fad like wwf in the 90's. It's dropped considerably in popularity in the U.S. over the last 5 years. I don't see it ever being as popular as it used to be.

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>>75680109
boxing is dead

>>75680109
That's because a BJJ specialist with no hands doesn't exist in boxing, but in a fight that BJJ specialist is still going to choke you out no hands needed.

>>75680081
thread.

>>75680128

>It's dropped considerably in popularity in the U.S. over the last 5 years.

It's literally just coming off its most successful year ever.

>>75680136
It most certainly isn't.

>>75680128
yeah that's why it's ppvs keep destroying boxing in sales

fuck off idiot

>>75680081
And yet still an mma fighter wins in an actual fight with a boxer.

>>75680151
They also do more globally these days. It is not as popular as it was in the U.S.

>>75680168
The only ppv that sells well is when conor fights. It's the same in boxing with Floyd although Canelo may end up being a draw.

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Where are the spicy boxing webms though

>>75680085
Lucas Browne is a shithouse. He got one jammy win over an old man was was gifted a paper title

He would literally die in the ring against Anthony Joshua

Australians can't fight, full stop

>>75680168
Anthony Joshua has sold more PPVs in the UK than McGregor has in America with a 5x smaller market

>>75680137
BJJ is a meme. They dont have the technique of judokas and they cant strike. BJJers have been exposed several times. Sambo is a better martial art for simply kicking peoples asses and if you really want to learn how to fight your really just better off joining a boxing/kickboxin gym.

>>75680229
This, Browne was a can and Anthony Joshua is a fucking soldier. Cormier beating that bum is no accomplishment. Silva, the diaz brothers and conor all want to be boxers and that says a lot about the prestige in boxing vs the prestige in MMA.

>>75680249
Lol, they practically give away Joshua's PPVs for free compared to what Conor's cost because nobody will order it otherwise.

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>>75680228
right here
>>75680249
prove it, mcgregor has undisclosed numbers so i'd like to see your insider info

>>75680204

UFC have broken 1m PPV buys 14 times in the last decade, Conor was on 3 of them.

Besides that, right now GSP, Jon Jones and the Diaz brothers could all easily go out and pull 1m with the right fight. No-one in boxing beside Floyd is doing that.

>>75680293
Joshua just pulled over 1.5m in the UK alone and will probably break 1m every outing now. Against Tyson Fury or David Haye he'd easily pass 2m

Canelo vs Golovkin likely hits 1m or thereabouts in the USA too

>>75680293
Jones ain't breaking a million with out a good opponent and a strong card. Nate won't with anyone but conor. Nick is a fucking meme. GSP will do good business as long as he keeps winning. If bisping beats his ass he will not draw like he used to.

>>75680321
Raise the price, dork.

Haye vs Bellew also hit ~900k

Boxing is definitely the king of combat sports in the UK and it's not even close

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boxing is for nerds lmao

>>75680321
Canelo vs Chavez is going to break a mil easily over here. Cinco de mayo is a serious boxing weekend. Canelo vs GGG will probably do 2 million easily since its the most hyped match up since Floyd vs Manny.

>>75679086
Cody would KO any boxer
Conor would be champion
Frankie wouldn't do anything
Rumble would dominate for sure.

10 Pound 4 pound best boxers on the planet
1.Mayweather
2. Conor
3.Cody
4.Rumble
5.Masvidal
6.Lomachenko
7.AJ
8.Lawler
9.Pacquiao
10.Duffy

>>75680321

>AJ vs Wlad: £19.95
>Conor vs Diaz 2: $59.99

S M A L L T I M E

>>75680321
only because he fought a famous past-prime wlad. he'd have had 1/4 of that without klitschko.

>>75680343
I can see that being true. Every brit I've ever met at the bar loves boxing and will gladly talk sweet science for days.

>>75680338

>Jones ain't breaking a million with out a good opponent and a strong card

It's almost like I didn't already say with the right fight. Jones/DC is cracking 1m easily. GSP/Bisbong is cracking 1m easily. Nate's stock is way up after 196 and 202 and could easily pull in a huge number on his own merit.

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>>75680361
this barbarism isn't a sport..

>>75680383
Around 600k was his basic rate against nobody opponents before now, but the Klitschko fight has catapulted him into superstardom so I doubt he ever does under 1m again unless he suffers back-to-back defeats or something. He literally gets primetime coverage on BBC News and front page coverage on the main newspapers. He's a true star, not some Instagram celeb like McGregor

>>75680434
You are 100% correct. It's human dog fighting.

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>>75680449
That ref should be embarrassed to pick up his paycheck.

Let's be honest, Joshua vs Klitschko was more exciting than any UFC fight ever. Nothing beats a real heavyweight boxing contest

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>>75680447
the sport of real fighting is only dog fighting if you're a sheltered little bitch

>>75680479
It was trash. Boxing is never good.

>>75680479
Once another Tyson comes along in america all these mma fans will jump on board and pretend they always loved boxing. Heavyweight boxing will forever be the pinnacle of combat sports.

>>75680488
Only brain dead drunks give a shit about MMA. There is a reason it's referred to as a niche sport.

>>75680514
Yeah, butt hurt old boxing faggots at the BBC pushing forced memes.

>>75680496
Boxing has the deepest cultural legacy of any sport in the world. Tune in to any football game or tennis match or UFC and the commentators will be using boxing analogies to describe the action because boxing is the king of sports and everything else just a pale reflection. In fact UFC wouldn't even exist if heavyweight boxing hadn't inexplicably gone on hibernation for 12 or so years. But now it's back baby. AJ makes MMA fighters look like the crude unathletic little hillbillies they are

>>75680548
Johnson KOs Joshua in one minute.

>>75680501
I kind of wish Deontay Wilder was the real deal because he has the look, the personality and the power, but unfortunately he just can't box. Maybe Darmani Rock will be the guy. But in the meantime the UK will carry the torch

>>75680565
>Johnson

Literally don't even know who that is mate

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>>75680514
yeah because only retards understand the combination of muay thai, boxing, wrestling and bjj in contrast to straight boxing

wew

>>75680583
Because you only follow pillow tap

>>75680583
https://youtu.be/U2LdFnJktug

>>75680589
The majority of mma fans don't know an armbar from a right hook. They only know that conor mcgregor talks shit and throws soda cans at mexicans.

>>75680610
Like most normal people

>>75680583
Rumble Johnson. He's one of the few mma fighters I wish would have chose boxing early on.

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>>75680610
rumble would unironically KO any boxer inside a round, any weight division

>>75680572
It might be another 5-10 years until there is an American heavyweight to rule boxing but there most definitely is a 14 year old kid who was bred to box in a gym training right now to be our new Tyson.

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I hope all of you purchase the mayweather/mcgregor scam. I hope it costs double in Australia and you still buy in

>>75680673
It's a huge cash grab. It's going to be the boxing equivalent of cm punk vs Mickey gall. Floyd breaks rocky's record vs a huge bum and will make 150 million to do it. Conor gets a huge payday and retires and sends mma fans into a frenzy.

>>75680611
where are his coaches though

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>>75680692
will you suck my dick apologetically when conors left goes right down the middle and drops floyd

>>75680751
No, I'm a Midwestern American and we don't get down like that. I will be shocked if he manages to land one punch on money.

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>>75680794
scared

>>75680751
You don't know what you're saying. I am all but certain that most MMA-only people think the sport of boxing will be like kickboxing without "kick." Floyd will crush the round scores in a boring fight. This guy probably hasn't been hit hard in ten years. MMA virgins and all other casuals will be broke and mad at paying for a shit fight they didn't understand where their hero loses. This might finally kill boxing with all the MMA fans who will be so mad.

>>75680861
This fight honestly shouldn't happen. The athletic commission should be ashamed for even sanctioning it. Conor can't box and they are going to let him fight the p4p #1? This fight makes no sense other than Floyd robbing mma fans of their money.

>>75680861
It might kill both sports. Floyd cruises to an easy decision that drives away casuals and conor gets a huge payday and retires never defending his belt in the octagon for a second time in a second division.

>>75680925
Because the commission, Conor, and Floyd, are going to make millions off of it? Do you even follow boxing or are you just butthurt at MMA

>>75679569
Lesnar is a lazy boring faggot and he should be fired ASAP

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>>75680925
>Conor can't box

>>75681113
I get the money aspect of it but the athletic commission is there to protect the participants and sanctioning a fight between one the greatest boxers of all time and a guy who has never had a professional boxing match is highly irresponsible on their part. It is America where money trumps all so the fight will happen and make a shit load of cash. I am butthurt about Floyd getting 50 off of an mma guy though. I would rather see him fight canelo again or even a young up and comer.

>>75681194
He will look very slow against Floyd and it's not going to be an entertaining fight.

>>75681207
it's not going to be as one sided as you think. Then again, you dunno shit since you're calling a counter puncher slow.

>>75679418
>Sergei Khartonov, 3 silver medals in amatuer competition in boxing, Master of sports in boxing
>Fedor, russian olympic judo team alternate, several gold medals in Sambo competition
>Stipe Miocic, MLB prospect in college, Division 1 NCAA wrestler, Golden Gloves champion
List goes on and on

>>75679501
The paychecks for boxing is drying up in the US. MMA fighters are underpaid, but there aren't any new stars in boxing from the US. Wilder isn't a needle mover at all. He's got 180k twitter followers.

>>75679525
Brock especially now isn't as big of a draw as McGregor, the last PPV he was one barely broke a million on a stacked card and the gate was almost half what the UFC 205 gate was. After getting demolished by Cain and Overeem he's not a legit contender and his stock got damaged.

>>75680249
The sky PPVs are like what? 18 pounds? US PPVs are $60 USD.

>>75679497
>respected

By fat neckbeards like you maybe

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>>75679524
Brock got knocked down with a liver kick, not a ruptured stomach. That kick would drop anyone. This was also after he got demolished by Cain and had lost before that. He only got the heavyweight title because he fought a guy much older and smaller than him.