/nfl/ general - BEAST MODE RETURNS edition

$wag Kelly

FUCKIN'........ afc south

I have it from an NFL insider that if marshon lattimore is there at 5
Eagles are trading up

>>75528831
if the eagles are doing it, it must be wrong

DRAFT DAY BITCHESSSSSSSSSS

FUCKING FINALLY

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>.@AlbertBreer on Eagles pick at 14: "I've heard Derek Barnett here."

mite b cool

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so corey davis to the eagles is pretty much confirmed. neat

>>75528831
>>75529297
>>75529329
THE EAGLES ARE DRAFTING LITERALLY EVERYBODY AT #14

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>>75528757
>mfw the Jags trade away Bortles for a 6th rounder and draft Trubisky
>mfw they make the playoffs

>>75528831
>giving up multiple picks to get a player at the deepest position in the draft
even Howie isn't that retarded

Just heard eagles are preparing a trade package for Myles Garrett
Nick Foles in the mix

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>>75529386
If the cost isn't too high why the fuck not?
He is the standout best measurables and great tape far above the next highest two being Quincy Wilson/tabor and Marlon Humphrey
With Sidney Jones gone and gareon Coney under rape accusations
Cornerback just got a lot more thin
Lattimore is the only corner worth a top 20 pick maybe Humphrey for a zone team, I personally mocked him to Miami

>>75529442
Good luck.

>Browns sources say that they are set at #1 and Mitchell Trubisky is not happening. "We know who we want." Also, "Our new defense is based on attacking, Myles fits exactly what we want to do."

Unless the Eagles give up the next 4 years of #1 picks, I don't see it happening.

>>75529457
>eagles picking a corner who gets burned deep
p l e a s e n o ; _ ;

>pick up Garrett
>trade out of twelve for more picks

Honestly what I see happening

>>75529479
Sashi was pretty clear that trading down this year isn't happening. They're actually going to either stay or move up depending on their set draft board and who they have as the best possible player. I think they may even jump up for a DB or Safety if Trubisky goes to the Jets and they can't make a deal with the Titans. The Titans GM was a Belichick understudy and he is young, willing to trade down, acquire picks and play it smart. They'll field every offer for #5.

>>75529442
Just heard that you're retarded for listening to that and given it even a second of consideration.

>>75529511
Could the Brown's plan be to keep unproven QBs and use the extra funds to beef up every other spot on the team? Could be cool. Seems like they are already doing cool stuff with that extra cap space.

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These numbers decide who the redskins pick

>1-2 DT
>3-4 DE
>5-6 RB
>7-8 CB
>9-0 S
>Dubs Trade down for picks
>Trips Solomon Thomas drops in their laps
>Quads They pick a kicker


Please be kind. Go skins.

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>>75529609
Rolling for Seahawks

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>Jordy, Cobb, Adams, Bennett and GERONIMO
>#1 RB is a converted WR
>great pass blocking OLine


give me 2 reasons why this team isn't throwing for over 5000 yards?

>>75529609
packers

1-2 CB
3-4 RB
5-6 ILB
7-8 OLB
9-0 defensive lineman
dubs trade down

>>75529457
to move from 14 to 5 their second and fourth picks
I appreciate your hot take, but their are people who are paid for their bad opinions that aren't nearly as high on lattimore as you are
It also needs to be noted that both Howie and Schwartz put a higher value on edge rushers than corners

New to NFL. How interesting is the NFL Draft event? The time is right after morning wake up, so maybe I'll watch it if it's not boring.

>>75529609
Nice. Maybe >we won't be shit this year

>>75529699
Day one is exciting, but the best part are any crazy trades. No idea how this year will be.

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>Raiders have two winning seasons in a row

I literally never thought I'd live to see the day. Honestly, part of me is still waiting for the Carreer ending injury, huge FA bust signing and descent back into 4-12 at best.

>>75529714
How good was last year?

>>75529740
the two big trades happened way before the draft which took most of the fun out of it but it's never not a good night

>>75529699
Don't believe them It's pretty boring if you're new to NFL. There can be 15-20 minutes between picks being announced on day 1

If you don't know much about college ball or how most NFL teams rosters are already stacked then its probably not for you

>>75529801
Yeah, other than few names that are often mentioned (Garrett, Trubinsky, etc), I'm completely blank.
But I just realized, how do I watch it? Just google 'watch ESPN online' or sort?

>>75529658
TJ Watt confirmed

Cowboys traded dak for #1 overall pick
Resigning Tony Romo
More details shortly

>>75529834
Not sure if NFL.com is streaming it for free but they may be

If not I use http://www.vipbox.me/ to stream games through the season. They will certainly have a stream for the draft however they have a lot of ads

>>75529834
yes nfl.com has it for free
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/live

but really unless you're familiar with teams and players i'm not sure it's worth staying awake for.

BUT it is hours of discussion of teams and players and things, and that's a tempting oasis when there is no actual football for months.

>>75529936
Got it. Cheers.
>>75529965
As I said, the time is right after wake-up time here. Though probably if it takes about 10-15 minutes per pick I can only stay for a third or so until I go to work.

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>>75529882
I like it!

>>75529609
Roll for Jags.

>>75528791
TITANS
H
E
Y
E
A
R

For me, it's Paddy Mahomes

Fuck sake lads thought the draft was tonight. When will they move it up? should be start of April.

>>75530163
Laughed heartily

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>mfw the broncos draft a QB

When will Kay Adams be mine?

https://twitter.com/JasonColeBR/status/857568309453230081


Please never change browns. Is the browns the most fitting name took a teams performance in sports?

>>75529801
I don't even know who's good this year even while watching college football

>>75530240
come on, mate. the rest of us are experts. we've all watched hours of tape on all the prospects.

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>>75530224
Why would they do this? Doesn't this go against everything DePodesta and Sashi are trying to do? Is there pressure from the owner or is there something I'm missing?

>>75530224

The NFL needs to seize control of the Browns. Fucking give to a Children's Hospital to run and they'll do a better job

>>75530288
You're missing that it's a tweet, not an official pick.

>>75530224
>https://twitter.com/JasonColeBR/status/857568309453230081
>CLG: Trubisky goes No. 1 overall in McGinn's mock

I haven't been following much offseason football but is this true? Are the Browns really going to pass up on an obvious number one pick to reach for a QB? Holy shit. Cleveland fans, you need to mutiny. Your team clearly does not speak for you and they have no interest in turning that ship around.

>>75530321
See
>>75530314

If the Brown's go for a QB that early, then the owner is just calling shots and the team is officially in the shitter again. Even if he turns out to be great, its pretty obvious the front office wouldn't risk that much on him.

>>75530288
from what I've read a lot of people have hinted Haslam is pushing for Mitch

what I'm hoping is this causes a chain reaction for Jamal Adams to fall to 6

49ers now take garrett, bears take thomas etc etc

>>75530356
Jets gonna get Leonard Fournette senpai

Reese, I plead to you, for the love of god just take a Tackle.

I don't give a fuck that it's a weak tackle class, any LT is better than Flowers.

>>75530379
thats definitely not impossible but I don't believe Macc values the running back position that much.

>>75530351
Exactly that, even if Trubisky turns out to be the literal GOAT it's still a bad move taking him at #1. No other team values him that high and even if you trade back 1 spot with SF and only add like a 7th round pick for the trouble you'd still get Trubisky and additional picks

Let's be honest though, none of us have ANY idea how other teams value Trubisky.

>garrett
>good
>ghost when they play against ole miss' shitty line

Also, holy fuck, why does /sp/ hate Trubisky?

>>75529600
Keeping what they have right now and sticking to their board seems to be the plan from what I can tell. Honestly, its a deep defensive draft, so that could work in their favor for this season, and they could focus more on offense next season by adding some better talent at the skill positions and possibly a franchise QB in the 2018 draft, the problem is that if they win a few games, they could knock themselves out of the San Darnold race (if he does come out instead of staying for his RS Junior season) or Josh Rosen (even though he hasn't proven anything so far). After those two, no one else really jumps out or projects to be anything more than an OK quarterback. Maybe Josh Allen could be one, but he needs to have a pretty good year and a major bowl victory, which will be hard because he plays for Wyoming in the WAC, and G5 teams will find it damn near impossible to make the CFP.

Either way, they can drastically improve their defense in this draft as long as they stick to the BPA philosophy.

>>75530443
>played 13 games his entire career
>going to be weeden 2.0

>>75530443
I don't hate him

he's just being incredibly over valued, similar to Goff

he should be a late first at best

>>75530410
Bad move. He won't last that long. Someone is going to reach for the top qb. It happens every year. If you think he is going to be good then take him.

>>75530458
Trubisky played in an offense that's much more pro ready than the shit Goff was playing in.

>>75529609
Roll for 49ers

I hope there's a QB rush and 4 go in the top 20 so the Fins get a good player to drop to them

>>75530472
being in shotgun 99% all the time isnt a pro offense

Again I think he's a good prospect but to take him over Myles Garrett or anyone else in the top is the definition of a reach

There is a clear number one this year right?

>inb4 on /sp/ disagrees

>>75530468
San Fran isn't going to take a QB, even the worst negotiator of all time would be able to leverage the #1 pick to get at the bare minimum A SINGLE additional pick. The Browns have multiple advantages, one being the first pick and second being the chance to select Myles Garrett. I'll say it again, if the Browns draft Trubisky at #1 it will be a big failure regardless of how Trubisky turns out

>>75530536
never put your trust into Cleveland

>>75530472
Not really, UNC primarily ran a spread with Marquise Williams, I think they modified it a little bit to fit Trubisky, but still ran primarily out of the shotgun instead of under center. That's one of the big problems is adjusting to three step, five step, and seven step drops from under center. Its one of the biggest knocks on spread QBs. Not that there aren't a fair amount of shotgun sets in the NFL, but with running the football and play action being important staples, running bootlegs and such, its a tough adjustment to make. Why? I have no idea. I'm still of the belief that every QB should be able to take snaps from under center no matter what just as a mandatory part of the position. Look at Watson. He rarely, if at all, took snaps from under center, and ran the hurry up a good bit with the up tempo stuff that doesn't work against the dynamic defenses in the NFL. Another thing that got me about Watson was during Grudens QB camp, every play he threw at Watson, with the advanced verbiage, threw him for a loop. Almost like if he has to call plays from the huddle instead of just "Tiger 2" or "Purple right 6" or whatever simplified quick offense calls they used, he is screwed. Scary to think that the NFL may have to change a bit to cater to those guys.

>Bleacher Report's Jason Cole reports there is "growing chatter" the Jaguars will select Clemson QB Deshaun Watson with the No. 4 overall pick.

god damn I hope this is true

Watson and Tribusky off the board in the first five picks would leave a lot of good players

Hoping for a Leonard Williams 2.0 situation

Sashi Brown seriously seems like he has the potential to be a great GM, but holy fuck, Jimmy Haslam is a cancer.

which teams are likely going to have the best draft?

denver
tennessee
dallas
san diego
seattle
cincinatti

imo

>>75530659
God he is going to be another ej manual

>>75530662
What makes it worse is he was a minority shareholder with the Steelers so because he's been around success he thinks he's successful and knows what to look for in players. I can't imagine how bad it has to be for Sashi dealing with him

>>75530662
Podesta plays a big part of it as well, plus how they're all inclusive with the coaching staff as well. They work in lockstep with Hue and his coordinators about what they need. For once in a long time, it seems they have a competent and innovative bunch. You're right though. JH is a turd, but he was spoiled as a partial owner/shareholder in the Steelers organization where he saw Ben lead them and a great D for years. At least his wife appears to have common sense and hopefully can reel him back to stay the fuck out of football operations and stick to the business end.

Jersey or tee today lads

>>75530720
Wear a t-shirt and jeans man, be comfy.

>>75530735
It was 104 yesterday, IDK what kampfy is anymore :'(

>>75530772
just ascend into the afterlife. i hear its very comfortable there

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>>75530772
In that case, cutoff tshirt, basketball shorts. It'll be okay, man. Drink some beers to. At least that's what I'll be doing during the draft. Right now I'm stuck in work clothes on break.

>>75530662
I am very lukewarm of Jimmy, I'm glad he's putting up money for FAs and such, but he just gets these weird impulses to try and actually run the team. At this point I wish he'd just sit down and let his wife take over his position. She seems MUCH smarter than him and actually seems to know what's going on.

>>75530846
She's even smart enough to get rid of the new autistic uniforms and wants to go back to the classics with an alternate white helmet (early 1950s Browns teams).

>>75530872
I want nothing to do with white helmets, but I'd welcome pretty much anything over the new turd uniforms. Hate them and that stupid smirking dog so goddamn much. 2020 can't get here soon enough.

1 0 H O U R S
what do i do to pass the time

>>75530872
>White helmets

yucka pucka

>>75530889
It wouldn't be awful. Just as an alternate. White helmet, jersey, pants with the classic stripes.

>>75530891
shitpost on /nfl/

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Who are my Eagles gonna take?

>>75530891
Play 1 game of madden on super slow

>>75530947
ross

>>75530899
>It Wouldn't be awful

yes it would

>>75530959
>le ebin run fast in a straight line man
no thank you

>>75530969
its not up to you

>>75530969
He's friends with D-Jax

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>Browns
>Wear orange color
>Steelers
>Dont wear steel color

>Seahawks
>Don't play underwater

>>75530989
>Broncos
>Aren't the vehicle OJ Simpson evaded police in

>Bengals
>Aren't the band that sings "Walk like an Egyptian

>>75531007
>Jets
>don't even know Benny

>Cardinals
>aren't even Catholic

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>>75530989
>New York Jets
>New York Giants
>Play in New Jersey

>>75531054
>the only thing separating the 2 is a single bridge

>>75530679
based on what?

>>75531089
I thought real New Yorkers hated New Jersey

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>tfw everyone has the toxins taking a qb

Stop
No
We have a pedestrian secondary and two gaps in the oline.

The only non secondary/oline pick I will accept in the first round are OJ Howard, TJ Watt or trading down and taking Gerald Everett.

The day of reckoning is upon us.

>>75531124
Also please sign Jay Cutler already Rick Smith.

Garrett will be a bust.

>>75531124
Howard isnt going to fall out of the top 10

They keep calling Jamal Adams "Jaylon Adams" on First Take.

>>75531350
i dont get it.

>>75529609
Roll for cincy

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>>75529609
rolling for philly

>>75529699

It will be boring and meaningless to you because you don't know the players or teams. Don't waste your time.

>>75531124
wouldn't taking Watt at the Texans pick be kind a reach?

>>75531555

Not really. He has late first/early second value.

4 / 27 / 2017 draft day!
1. Cleveland Browns: Myles L. Garrett, DE - Texas A&M
2. San Francisco 49ers: Solomon Christopher Thomas, DE - Stanford
3. Chicago Bears: Marshon Lattimore, CB - Ohio State
4. Jacksonville Jaguars: Leonard Fournette III, RB - LSU
5. Tennessee Titans (from LAR): Mike Williams, WR - Clemson
6. New York Jets: Mitchell “Mitch” Trubinsky, QB - North Carolina
7. Los Angeles Chargers: Jamal Adams, S - LSU
8. Carolina Panthers: Malik Hooker, S - Ohio State
9. Cincinnati Bengals: Reuben Foster, LB - Alabama
10. Buffalo Bills: Corey Davis, WR - Western Michigan
11. New Orleans Saints: Derek Anthony Barnett, DE, Tennessee
12. Cleveland Browns (from PHI): O'Terrius Jabari "O. J." Howard, TE - Alabama
13. Arizona Cardinals: Jonathan Allen, DT - Alabama
14. Philadelphia Eagles (from MIN): John Ross III, WR - Washington
15. Indianapolis Colts: Christian Jackson McCaffrey, RB - Stanford >cucked from childhood favorite team
16. Baltimore Ravens: Takkarist Jaune McKinley, 3-4OLB - UCLA
17. Washington Redskins: Malik McDowell, 3-4DE - Michigan State
18. Tennessee Titans: Jabrill Peppers, S - Michigan
19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Dalvin Cook, RB - Florida State
20. Denver Broncos: Ryan Ramczyk, OT - Wisconsin
21. Detroit Lions: Vidauntae "Taco" Charlton, DE - Michigan
22. Miami Dolphins: Marlon Humphrey, CB - Alabama
23. New York Giants: David Njoku, TE - Miami
24. Las Vegas Raiders: Jarrad Davis, LB - Florida
25. Houston Texans: Derrick Deshaun Watson, QB - Clemson
26. Seattle Seahawks: Forrest Lamp, OG - Western Kentucky*>implying they will ever learn
27. Kansas City Chiefs: Haason Samir Reddick, LB - Temple
28. Dallas Cowboys: Quincy Wilson, CB - Florida
29. Green Bay Packers: Trent John “T.J.” Watt, OLB - Wisconsin
30. Pittsburgh Steelers: Charles “Black Ice” Harris, 3-4OLB - Missouri
31. Atlanta Falcons: Timothy Williams, DE - Alabama
32. New Orleans Saints (from NE): Kevin King, CB - Washington

>>75531621
Howard isn't getting out of the top 10.

>>75529664
http://section215.com/2017/04/14/63734/
Read
Jim Schwartz’s teams started drafting cornerbacks in 2001. Something to understand about 2001: I was roughly 4, YouTube was -4, and Tom Brady had just run his 40-yard dash in khaki shorts. For some prospects, we only have a height, weight, and 40 times. While he drafted 17 cornerbacks over the years, not one has every possible measurement.

But from what we can see from the corners, some trends are pretty clear:

Not a single CB is below 5’9″, and only 4 are above 6’0″
Only 2 CBs ran slower than 4.51s in the 40-Yard Dash
Out of 14 CBs, only 4 jumped less than a 34 1/2″ in the Vertical
Out of 13 CBs, only 2 jumped less than 119″ in the Broad
Out of 8 CBs, only 2 ran slower than 7s in the 3-Cone
Out of 12 CBs, only, 1 ran slower than 4.34s in the 20-Yard Shuttle
Succinctly:

5’9 – 6’0
<4.52s 40-Yard Dash
>34 1/2″ Vertical
>119″ Broad
<7.00s 3-Cone
<4.34s 20-Yard Shuttle
A note: I don’t think Schwartz is bearish on corners above 6’0, I just don’t think it’s particularly valued. Ahkello Witherspoon and Kevin King likely don’t get any points for being 6’3″.
.
With these things considered, the trends:

5 out of 7 had 40-Yard Dashes below 4.43s (W. Peterson and A. Dyson as exceptions)
5 out of 7 had Vertical Jumps above 35 1/2″ (L. McKelvin and A. Dyson)
6 out of 7 had Broad Jumps above 119″ (A. Dyson)
All with a 3-Cone Drill below 6.95s (only 3 data points)
All with a 20-Yard Shuttle below 4.34s (only 4 data points)
Succinctly:

40-Yard Dash <4.43s
Vertical Jump >35.5″
Broad Jump >119″
3-Cone <6.95s
20-Yard Shuttle <4.34s

>>75531697
First: The cornerbacks that fit all of Schwartz’s parameters and are likely his premiere targets on draft day (as I have them ranked by my Big Board):

Marshon Lattimore, Ohio State (R1 Grade)
Marlon Humphrey, Alabama (R1)
Adoree’ Jackson, USC (R2)
Fabian Moreau, UCLA (R3)
Shaquill Griffin, UCF (R4)
Next up: The cornerbacks that fit only the first lens, the one established by Schwartz’s drafted corners, and were eliminated by the second lens (note: every single one of these were eliminated by the 40-Yard Dash, for what it’s worth):

Gareon Conley, Ohio State (R1)
Chidobe Awuzie, Colorado (R2)
Kevin King, Washington (R2)
Ahkello Witherspoon, Colorado (R3)
Cameron Sutton, Tennessee (R3)
Ezra Robinson, Tennessee State (R6)
Nate Hairston, Temple (R7) (the Broad Jump also eliminated him)

>>75531621
The Eagles aren't taking Ross is McCaffrey is still on the board. They want to recreate the Andy Reid Golden Years and McCaffrey is from the Westbrook mold

If the Browns go full retard and choose Trubinsky with the first pick,I hope that Garrett falls to the Jets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEC-vTt0uRY

>>75531721
Why?

Trying to recreate your former glory never works

You're better off trying something new, the game has changed since the early 2000's.

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>>75531621
>24. Las Vegas Raiders: Jarrad Davis, LB - Florida
unlikely

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>>75531621
the Skins are not taking mcdowell. enough with this projection

This is pretty awesome.

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/ryan-leaf-nfl-letter-to-my-younger-self/

>>75531808
Im getting Mixed vibes
You want him or nah?
You think he's gonna be there or nah?
Or whom do you like instead?

What happened to OJ Howard? Before free agency, I saw him mocked to the Pats at #32 and some fans even hoped to get him early in the 2nd.

Now he's considered a top 10 selection

>>75531968
Tight End as a position is seeing it's stock risen and people underestimated it in their mocks

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>tfw to intelligent to pass on Dalvin Cook

>>75532020
whens the last time a running back as unathletic as Cook went on to have a great carer

>>75531968
Mocks that early are really good for nothing, people sat down and watched film on Howard and got high on him so he shoots up on boards

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What does it say?

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>>75532054
>>75532054
I don't know, but I've wanted to not draft him for a long time now, and I just know they'll fuck it up by drafting him. Conley was a lock until le ebin rape claims

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>>75532068

Where do the mocks see Foster going? I really want him but I don't think he'll fall to 14

>>75532092
to me hes the perfect bengal

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>>75532068

>>75531864
Oh wow, shit was a ride.

who else is hoping the browns be the browns and take trubisky first so the entire first round gets shaken up

Jarrad Davis to Detroit is bretty much confirmed

Looks like the final Eagle mocks are all in on Mike Williams. I hope that Corey Davis is off the board if that's the case

>>75532210
all the mocks I'm seeing is Bilal Powell for the lions first

>>75532232
i dont get it

>>75529239
I'll read the summary later

t. Vikings fan

>>75532245
because you're fucking stupid and should kys

>>75532269
oh

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>mfw the browns draft QB at 1
>mfw $)'s reach for a white RB at 2
>mfw the aints draft offence twice in round 1
>mfw the Iggles draft a meme run fast WR
>mfw the Bucs draft another bust at corner

>>75532232
Ebron and #21 for Powell.. deal?

>Cody Kessler career stats
67.5%, 10339 yards, 88/19 TD:INT

>Deshaun Watson career stats
67.4%, 10168 yards, 90/30 TD:INT

>Patrick Mahomes career stats
63.5%, 11252 yards, 93/29 TD:INT

>Mitch Trubisky career stats
67.5%, 4762 yards, 41/10 TD:INT

Not saying college stats matter greatly when projecting a QB to the NFL but I just want to put the performance of the top QBs of this class into perspective

>>75532345
I like the fact that Kessler actually played in a pro-style offense and had success while dealing with a turnover of coaching staffs (Kiffin, Sarkisian, Helton). He's actually done well considering what he had with us last year. He's looking more like a solid commodity (but by no means a franchise QB, too early to tell).

>>75532345
Kessler
>USC
Watson
>Black
Mahomes
>Meme offense
Trubisky
>Literal WHO out of nowhere

Now if we were talking about Chad Kelly...

>>75532386

There is nothing wrong with being a black QB.

>>75532386
>You
>Leaf

And all of your opinions go right out the door.

>>75532423
Moon, McNabb are the only REALLY good black QB's whilst Vick, McNair, Kaep and stuff are all memes.

I think Jameis Winston can join McNabb and Moon imo.

Chorgers perfect draft including memetrade

Round 1 Pick 11 (N.O.): Malik McDowell, DT/DE, Michigan State (B-)
Round 1 Pick 32 (N.O.): Forrest Lamp, OG/OT, Western Kentucky (B)
Round 2 Pick 6: Budda Baker, FS, Washington (A)
Round 3 Pick 7: Cooper Kupp, WR, Eastern Washington (A)
Round 4 Pick 6: Nathan Peterman, QB, Pittsburgh (A-)
Round 5 Pick 7: Howard Wilson, CB, Houston (A)
Round 6 Pick 6: Donnel Pumphrey, RB, San Diego State (A)
Round 7 Pick 7: Dieugot Joseph, OT, Florida International (B)

>>75532386
Chad Kelly
>my uncle is a HoFer

Mitchlel Trubiskmeme
Deshaun Memeson
Patrick Memehomes
Memeshon kizer

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>>75532446
Too many offensive picks.

Wait 'til next year for QB.

>>75532460
>Mitchlel TruBUSTsky will be a real thing

What a time to be alive

Best QB in this draft will be Webb out of Cal to the Cardinals in round 3.

God wants to make the Rasm miserable for trading up for Jared Goof first overall last year.

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>>75532460
>the city of teams that need qb's

>>75532488
When the hell did you turn from Dubs- to Dank-?

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>>75532488
Whens the last time the lions won a playoff game?

pic related, its liberal cuck detoilet fans

>>75532445
That's because Moon was just incredibly good, and McNabb had the determination to not just become a meme runner

>>75532460
Kek

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>>75532505
>Detoilet
>Liberal Cuck

>>75532445

Top 10 Nig Qbs

1. Warren Moon
2. Randall Cunningham
3. Steve Mcnair
4. Donovan Mcnabb
5. Russell Wilson (conservative placing)
6. Daunte Culpepper
7. Cam Newton (conservative placing)
8. Michael Vick
9. Aaron Brooks
10. Doug Williams

>>75532505
Is there suppose to be some part of your post that is suppose to mean something?

Have you considered not watching any sports anymore? you don't seem to get it desu

>>75532481
Browns might take him if they don't bite on the Trubiscuit. Hue coached him during the Senior Bowl, and liked him.

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>>75532527
it's okay friend, it must be hard not having a qb.
>>75532503
when i realized it was danker

>>75532472
You think in the 4-3 there's any chance Ogbah keeps moving back to OLB or is he sticking at DE?

>>75532527
lions fan talking shit when they haven't won a playoff game in 25 years. or did you miss that part straya cunt?

>>75532524
>russell wilson
>black

pick one. he only married ciara to get street cred but he's getting cucked into raising a real nigga's kid

>>75532524
>Cam Newton

i hate niggers

>>75532585
Sup Freddie

>>75532553
He'll actually move down to DE. He doesn't have the same impact as a stand-up OLB. He needs his hand in the dirt bullrushing like he did at OkST.

>>75532603
I was feeling the same way but with the chance Barnett could be there at 12 I was just envisioning a way to get Garrett, Barnett, Collins and Ogbah all on the field at the same time

>>75532628
I think Schobert may break out a little bit. He played in a 4-3 at Wisconsin and was the leading tackler. I'd rather then take the best secondary player available.

>>75532652
I'm leaning towards Obi at 33 and Conley at the top of the third if he's there. Ideally at #12 I want Howard or Corey Davis but I'm not getting my hopes up

There are actual people ITT who think any of these QB's in this draft will be in the league in 5 years

lel a sucker really is born every min

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>yfw anybody takes a QB in the 1st round this year

>>75532716
Too bad he wasn't an elite latino QB like Tony Romo or Mark Sanchez

>>75532564
Am i suppose to care about history that i never saw in the last 20 years? Cunt the Lions are the funnest team in the world right now undeniably, I don't give a shit about their prior records, its not like I sat through that 08 season LMAO.

What do people see in Watson? Seriously. All I see is Tebow 2.0 but it looks like actual scouts are falling for the hype.

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>mfw the Seahawks pick O-line in the first round

>>75532780
he's the easist bust call in the draft. No arm, can't read defenses, bad deep balls, and was a system babby

instant bust

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SLEEP TIGHT MEMEY

how do you people know about all the players to predict who goes when?

>>75532794
I think that too but I want to know where the hype from scouts is coming from. Or if the media is generating all the hype without basis for some reason.

>>75532829
>le epic championship clutch man

>>75532790
>seahawks of all teams picking anything but Oline in the first round

>>75532819
Is his leg still dead?

>>75532790
>worst O-Line class in years
Why would any team pick one up in this draft?

>>75532829
won a bunch in college and put up good stats. Also seems like a nice kid

Just don't think he can cut it in the NFL

>>75532835
>wasting a first rounder to up your o-line from worst to second worst

>>75532423
Black qbs have a terrible shelf life as their usefulness dies the moment they aren't mobile or their scheme is figured out. They almost never have any pocket presence, play calling ability, terrible accuracy except for the deep throw, and they're likely to take risks that usually result in injury more often.The only people who like back qbs are blacks and cucks

>>75532834
>>75532855
I just didn't expect actual NFL scouts and GMs to start falling for that meme. I don't even dislike him really, he does seem nice, but my team is one of the ones linked with him and I'm hoping they won't touch him with a ten foot pole.

>>75532505
Michigan voted Trump retard

>video released that contradicts at least part of Gareon Conley's accuser's story

Will this save him?

>>75532885
Nope. He's undraftable until he's 100% cleared. Nobody is going to want to take him only to have him get sent to jail or whatever.

>>75532524
>Doug Williams

He was a terrible qb and his 88 championship run he was carried by his RB and offensive line

>>75532505
this kind of /pol/ thread derailing should be an auto-three day ban.

>>75532895
I agree but there are so few black quarterbacks

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>>75532488
A QB who's going to cost us 25 million a year. I wouldn't be so quick to gloat. Not to mention that Stafford is only good now because he stopped being a lazy fuck to raise his value but who knows what he might do now that he got his payday unless Quinn tied him to a large incentive based contract.

>>75532910
Let's just save some time and make it permanent.

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>tfw Chiefs take Joe Mixon

Make it happen

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>>75532925
People who whine about /pol/ should be banned too since they're being just as off topic as the people they're bitching about.

>>75532892
>undraftable

I think that's a bit of an exaggeration. From what I've heard is he'll drop until the 3rd or 4th round

i.... come from the future i see..... myles garrett drafted at the top. trubisky after. hooker third. fournette fourth.

>>75532979
Niners taking Trubisky at #2 would be a huge mistake.

>>75532963
If you remove one you don't have the other, problem solved keep /pol/ on /pol/

>>75532988
Considering the state of that franchise, I wouldn't even be surprised if they do it though.

I wonder which bust the Packers will take...

>>75532994
fuck off shill with your censorship

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>>75532943
yes pls, I just want to drink the tears

the bills trade up with the titans and take solomon howard as the retributive punishment against the jets, who take marshon lattimore. a team based in tiger stripes moves up for jamal adams, the panthers take the first white running back in the top 10 in a long time.

the chargers spend less than a minute on the clock to land jonathan allen. this is where the future ends for now. i will come back with more.

1. Garrett
2. Thomas
3. Trubisky
4. Fournette
5. Lattimore

>>75532995
The only logical thing for them to do is either trade down or grab BAP. Trubisky is a total waste at #2.

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/myguy/

>>75533003
We talk about sports here, cuck

>>75533040
>logical
And here lies the problem.

The Browns will be the Browns and draft a black qb with the first pick who will subsequently become a bust.

the next pick... titans select marlon humphrey

>>75533047
that doesnt mean you have to pretend politics doesnt exist

Jabril Peppers will most likely drop out of the first round won't he because his drug test results?

>>75533049
The Browns have never drafted a black qb though.

>>75533059
There's a totally separate board for politics

>>75530989
You do know that natural steel can be black don't you?

Can the Browns use the first pick to go back in time and get Tim Couch? With this new O-Line he'd probably actually be able to survive long enough to reach his potential.

>>75533083
There's a separate board for everything retard but that doesn't stop people from mentioning other things on other boards. Stop crying and just ignore the post.

>>75533087
Yes, because knowing the natural color of steel is totally common knowledge and not in any way something that requires a fair bit of knowledge on an obscure subject. You sure told him!

>>75533087
>steel can naturally be black
>blacks can naturally steal

rlly makes u thnk

>the Browns are going to take Bitchell Pooshitsky at #1 instead of waiting a year and picking DarnGOAT
What
The
Fuck
Are
They
Thinking

>>75533121
Don't make claims in ignorance because you have no one to blame but yourself when someone calls you on your bullshit.

>>75533138
>USC QBs

How is it teams get tricked into drafting quarterback busts in the first round so often?
If I've only been watching the NFL for 7ish years and I know you may as well wait till the third or fourth round to get the same value how don't they?
Remember how well Brandon Weeden, EJ Manuel, Blake Bortles and last year Jared Goff turned out?

>>75533162
Getting a qb from anywhere but Michigan is a gamble

>>75533162
Carson Palmer turned out fine

>>75531905
Not him but Mckenzie doesn't value the ILB position highly so it's very doubtful he would select one in the first round

>>75533070
No he'll fall out because he's a tweener with fuck all college production

Not even a given he goes in the 2nd imo

>>75533182
lol

>>75533172
Jared Goff was pure PR. A newly moved California team drafting a California quarterback

>>75533196
Carson Palmer was elite until his knee got BTFO

>>75533216
nobody on /sp/ has ever used the word elite properly

>>75533196
palmer was great, a legit MVP candidate 2 years ago and multiple good to great years

>>75533232
Palmer has been the best qb the Cardinals have had since Kurt Warner

>>75529609

The skins are literally set to go 3-13 this year. It will be a sad sight to see.

>>75533255
Businessmen are more than willing to take a loss to make a point. Even if it's a bad point.

>>75533252
look at the names of the ones between the 2 and try telling me thats an accomplishment

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Is he right?

>>75533109

Shut the fuck up and keep the /pol/ shit on the containment board. Mods need to step the fuck up and do their job if they want any chance of getting this site back to something resembling fun.

1. Cleveland Browns: Myles Garrett, DE, Texas A&N
2. San Francisco 49ers: Mitchell Trubisky, QB, North Carolina
3. Chicago Bears: Jamal Adams, S, LSU
4. Jacksonville Jaguars: Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU
5. Buffalo Bills (From TEN): Solomon Thomas, DE, Stanford
6. New York Jets: Marshon Lattimore, CB, Ohio State
7. Cleveland Browns (From LAC): Malik Hooker, S, Ohio State
8. Carolina Panthers: Christian McCaffrey, RB, Stanford
9. Tennessee Titans (From CIN): O.J. Howard, TE, Alabama
10. Tennessee Titans (From BUF): Marlon Humphrey, CB, Alabama
11. New Orleans Saints: Derek Barnett, DE, Tennessee
12. Los Angeles Chargers (From CLE): Jonathan Allen, DT, Alabama
13. Arizona Cardinals: Mike Williams, WR, Clemson
14. Philadelphia Eagles: Corey Davis, WR, Western Michigan
15. Detroit Lions (From IND): Haason Reddick, LB, Temple
16. Baltimore Ravens: Cam Robinson, OT, Alabama
17. Washington Redskins: Josh Jones, S, NC State
18. Cincinnati Bengals (From TEN): John Ross, WR, Washington
19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Dalvin Cook, RB, Florida State
20. Denver Broncos: Ryan Ramczyk, OT, Wisconsin
21. Indianapolis Colts (From DET): Reuben Foster, LB, Alabama
22. Atlanta Falcons (From MIA): Forrest Lamp, G, Western Kentucky
23. New York Giants: David Njoku, TE, Miami
24. Oakland Raiders: Chidobe Awuzie, CB, Colorado
25. Houston Texans: Patrick Mahomes, QB, Texas Tech
26. Seattle Seahawks: Malik McDowell, DT, Michigan State
27. Kansas City Chiefs: Zach Cunningham, LB, Vanderbilt
28. Dallas Cowboys: Adoree Jackson, CB, USC
29. Green Bay Packers: T.J. Watt, OLB, Wisconsin
30. Pittsburgh Steelers: Takkarist McKinley, OLB, UCLA
31. Miami Dolphins (From ATL): Jordan Willis, DE, Kansas State
32. Arizona Cardinals (From NO): DeShaun Watson, QB, Clemson

>>75533406
Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer would like to disagree with you, Jed.

>>75533429
>7. Cleveland Browns (From LAC): Malik Hooker, S, Ohio State

This isn't happening.

>>75533438
Brad Johnson was good, not a superstar, but Better than Flacco

>>75533438
He said probably. Trent Dilfer was also like 15 years ago.

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>>75533406
Woah big Jed dropping some knowledge on these reporters

>>75533172
Could it be that the QBs bust because they're drafted by bad teams and they don't have good supporting cast around them? Nah, that would make too much sense

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>>75532924
And the fucking bears are giving Mike fucking Glennon 16/yr. I love that so much lmao. At least we get to watch a team with a capable qb, this is like sweet karma for the Harrington & co days

>>75533458
he kinda looks like Andrew Luck

How many hours until the draft? Hawaiifag here

>>75533406
74 and 75 Steelers
1982 Redskins
1988 Redskins
1990 Giants
92,93, and 05 Cowboys
2000 Ravens
2002 Buccaneers
2015 Broncos

Plenty of Super Bowls that have been won without good Qbs or good qb play.

>>75533491
6h35m

>>75533406
Dilfer, Johnson, Kaepernick, Manning (his last year), Doug Williams, Kerry Collins, Rex Grossman and to some degree Joe Flacco all contradict that

>>75533498
Thanks bra

>>75529609
Rolling for Chiefs

>>75533472
I'm reserved until I see Stafford deliver the same level of play he did last season. Until then, I don't feel good about his contract.

>>75533453
>Brad Johnson was better than Flacco

No. He was a worse QB who played in a shit division defensively and had better playmakers

I get people don't appreciate Joe Flacco because he's a streaky passer sometimes but just look at the how little the Ravens have put around him on offence his entire career up to this point. Seriously for 3 years he had Anquan Boldin in his early 30s that was the best WR he's ever had to throw to in his career. Throw that in with playing the Steelers and Bengals 4 times a year who have both had probably 5 seasons a piece as top 10 NFL defence's and you see why the Ravens have had such a mediocre passing game despite being a winning football team for much of that time

Fuck you for being the person who actaully makes me defend him to Krabs you faggot. I don't care what most people say but Brad fucking Johnson was not a better QB than Joe Flacco

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>>75533523
honestly kys for not believing in fratty desu

>>75532999
TJ Watt has bust written all over him.

Browns just traded their first pick to New England. Story coming...

>Redskins and OT Morgan Moses reached agreement on 5-year extension that will make him NFL's 2nd highest paid RT

>>75533683
i bet at least 10000 people believe this post

>>75533573
Anquan Boldin is a Hall of Famer you dumb kiwi faggot. Who the hell do you think Brad Johnson was throwing to? They're both mediocre QBs that had a strong running game and elite defenses, you're just biased towards one for SOME reason.

Brad Johnson was really good at NOT losing games for his team. Joe Flacco is the complete opposite.

>>75533523
He's worth the projected 24/25mil. Cap is going up again so it's not that big an issue. The next QB up for contract will get even more even if they aren't nearly as good.

Fucking Glennon is getting what, 16 mil this year?

Stafford hasn't been a weakness for the lions. He's solid at worst with flashes of elite ability, but his surrounding cast hasn't been playing up to that same level.

Detroit would be absolutely retarded to even consider letting him walk. He's more than enough to win if the rest of the team is up to snuff.

>>75533696
Had the Browns and Patriots not already gone 10 rounds with trade discussions, I'd assume it was at least possible. But after all the bullshit, it's a done deal that the Wop is staying in NE.

>>75533683

oh shit it's real

Adam Shefter @AdumShefta 6m Browns trade 1st round pick (#12 overall) to the Patriots for Jacoby Brissett

>>75533699
Boldin is old AF and he's still putting up excellent stats, especially at the modest price tag he's asking.

>>75533573
a lot of their career numbers are similar but Brad played in a less friendly passing era

I just don't get why he gets lumped in with Trent Dilfer when he actually had a really good year on the Bucs championship run.

Browns selections.

1. Myles Garrett
5. Malik Hooker
19. Patrick Mahomes

Cap this, faggots.

>>75532839
he's gonna miss the whole season. at best he's a career backup when he comes back.
why do the good die young?

>>75533737
>>75533683
Mother fucker I didn't want to believe but they just announced it on NFL network.

Why not Jimmy G though? Was NE asking for more than the first overall?

Brissett did play pretty well last season.

>>75533743
That's kind of my point lol. Boldin is one of the best possession receivers of all time, and was still extremely good in Baltimore. Combine that with Ray Rice and a couple of WRs designed to maximize Flacco's strong arm without accuracy (getting PI calls) and I find it really hard to feel bad for poor Joe Flacco. During his Super Bowl run the team was 10th in offense mainly because they rushed for nearly 2k yards as a team. They even had a KR who got 3 TDs that year.

>>75533785
Yeah I'm not the guy you were bantering with. Just love that old man Boldin is still a red zone nightmare for defenses

>>75533699
>Boldin is a HoFer

Lol funny how nobody would have ever ranked him as a top 10 NFL WR post 2008 season with the Cardinals yet somehow he's a HoFer?

I love the dude but he's like Terrell Suggs he belong in the hall of very good. also maybe the weapons were about equal if we're referring to Johnsons time with the Bucs (Keyshawn Johnson, Keenan Mccardell, Warrick Dunn = Anquan Boldin, Torrey Smith, Ray Rice) but again Johnson had two good seasons with the Bucs and two mediocre-shit ones. Comparing his whole career he doesn't come close to accomplishing what Flacco has

>>75533755
Yea he wasn't a great QB the year they won the Superbowl he definitely was a big reason why they won it same as Flacco was. I just don't see how you can say a guy he was better even if we're completely discounting injuries and just focusing on how they both played in games started

>>75532924
Its too bad Stafford didnt step up when he had a decent team around him
Too little too late, and he is getting paid out the ass for it.

Yeah it would have been dumb to let him walk, but you are right on the money. He is going to shit out like he has before.

>>75533908
>Lol funny how nobody would have ever ranked him as a top 10 NFL WR post 2008 season with the Cardinals
You mean after he'd played for only 6 years? Yeah weird how that works, you fucking moron.
>Terrell Suggs isn't a Hall of Famer
Wow holy shit is it a prerequisite for being a trip that you know NOTHING about football? Get the fuck out of here man.

Who do most Eagles fans want this draft? I see they're constantly disagreeing amongst themselves over what the right pick should be for them. Can someone please tell me?

>>75533957
The energizer bunny

>>75533957
>Can someone please tell me?
Why? Eagles fans don't have good opinions on their own team. They booed Donovan McNabb when he was drafted.

>>75533957
Most eagles fans want a lenient corrections officer and more welfare

>>75533957
I want and RB and CB in the first two rounds.

>>75533919
When the fuck has he ever "shit out"?

If anything he's progressively improved every year the way a good QB should. Even last year with no #1 wideout and the worst run game in the league.

>>75533785
Again you're forgetting he had Anquan Boldin for 3 years which were the 3 best years of his career. The Ravens won 40 combined regular season and playoff games between 2010-February 2013 then Ozzie went and traded Boldin for a 6th round pick and Flacco has been inconsistent ever since

Worst front office move the Ravens have ever made. Ozzie actually defended it saying without getting rid of Boldin we couldn't have afforded Elvis Dumervil and Daryl Smith. We could have afforded all of them if he hadn't massively overpaid Rice, Pitta and Webb

>>75533972
McNabb lacked the killer instict to be a tier 1 QB.

>>75534002
If by "killer instinct" you mean he choked in the clutch and threw balls at his receiver's feet, then yes you would be correct. Still the best quarterback Philly ever had, and they wanted Ricky Williams instead lol.

>>75533992
Last year was the first of actual improvement
Unless you want to consider "not having a season ending injury every year" an improvement
Aside from not getting his bones crushed after his first couple, he really hasnt improved all the much over his career

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He's getting traded today isn't he

>>75533939
How easy do you think it is to get into the HoF?

Unless you're a QB or a Pittsburgh Steeler you have to have at least a 4 year period where you are top 3 at whatever position you played. Boldin was a top 10 WR from 02-08 then a top 15-20 WR 09-15

Career stats are nice but neither Boldin nor Suggs will get into the HoF. I could be wrong and neither have retired yet but at this point they won't make it in. There's just too many players who have been better than them

What are the odds of Fournette falling to the Panthers?
I really want him over McCaffrey.

>>75534025
Top kek do you even watch football? Stafford has become MUCH smarter as a player which was his biggest need for improvement. It started well before last year.

He's also incredibly durable. Go watch that Browns comeback win. He played the tail end of this last season with broken fingers.

If he walked out of Detroit, there would only be a select few teams that wouldn't be targeting him.

Myles Garrett - JPP
Solomon Thomas - Michael Bennett
Leonard Fournette - Steven Jackson
Jonathan Allen - Pernell McPhee
Jamal Adams - Eric Berry
Malik Hooker - Earl Thomas
Marshon Lattimore - DRC
OJ Howard - Greg Olsen
Reuben Foster - Derrick Johnson
Mike Williams - Anquan Boldin
Corey Davis - Sammy Watkins
Derek Barnett - Brandon Graham
Christian McCaffrey - Devonta Freeman
Haason Reddick - Lavonte David
Mitchell Trubisky - Andy Dalton
Charles Harris - Chris Long
John Ross - Taylor Gabriel
Takk McKinley: DeMarcus Lawrence
T.J. Watt: Barkevious Mingo
Deshaun Watson: Teddy Bridgewater
Forrest Lamp - Zack Martin
Dalvin Cook - DeAngelo Williams
Joe Mixon - Ray Rice
Jordan Willis - Bud Dupree
Jabrill Peppers - Kenny Vaccaro
Pat Mahomes - Sam Bradford
Deshone Kizer - Josh Freeman

>>75534060
low, unless teams don't like his medical history

>>75534048
>I could be wrong
You are. Both will make it in, it's only a question of when.

>>75534106
Different anon but desu not many people actually watch loins games

>>75531697
>>75531711
you copy/paste all that shit, yet right there at the beginning of the article it says:
>Schwartz has always been a defensive coordinator focused on generating a pass rush, and through generating that pressure, improving his pass defense.

>>75534106
Every QB gets "smarter" as time goes on. After his 5k yard season his stats actually got worse every single season with a decent team around him.
Homer bias, stats dont lie

>If he walked out of Detroit, there would only be a select few teams that wouldn't be targeting him.

Mike glennon got a contract. This doesnt mean much

>>75534106
I remember watching that game.

The only reason the Lions won is because Hank Poteat committed pass interference in the end zone which resulted in the Lions getting a free untimed down.