/nfl/ general - MY SIDES ARE IN ORBIT draft prep vol ii

No way the Saints don't win the Superb Owl now.

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>>75496062
Was waiting for new thread to post about it

Could end up being a Lael Collins situation for Gareon Conley

>your team
>who you think your team will take
>who you want them to take

>>75496208
>Jets
>a bust
>jamal adams if they cant trade down

PHIL COLLINS IN SPAAAAAAAAAAAACE

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>>75496187
>Nobody knew that would happen

Oh really? This was just after the Bradford trade for reference

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DRAFT MCDOWELL!!!!!!!!!


CLOWNEY IS ELITE
L
O
W
N
E
Y

Join or die

https://discord.gg/QYcGEZZ

>>75496208
Pats
some kid from Rutgers
I dunno...Peppers?

when drafft?

>>75496334
THURSDAY

>>75496280
You don't make sense Bradford had a good season all things considered.
Where's your post predicting a 5-0 start? Like I said, you were just being an asshole so just stop playing

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>>75496371
Yea he had a good season stats wise but he's not a winning QB and neither team was gonna make the playoffs in 2016 because they weren't talented enough too. The Vikings Superbowl hype last off season was laughable with Bridgewater and then just sad with Bradford

also why does it matter how a team starts? Ravens had a piss easy slate of early games and started 3-0. Broncos started 4-0 iirc correctly but it doesn't mean shit if you can't win games in December

>>75496280
>i-i predicted the Vikings injuries

Bradford played like a top 10 QB and nobody credits him.

>>75496130
Ma mann

>>75496531
Vikings had two mediocre-shit QBs in Bridge then Bradford, an abysmal O line and almost no weapons on offence. Bradford was the king of checkdowns last year but if you think he played like a top 10 QB last year you cannot for the life of you evaluate what makes a consistently great QB

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first for second place

>>75496507
I'm a Vikings fan and I never bought in to the super bowl hype. I'm just saying you didn't predict shit. You were just shitting on the team.

>>75496600
Still lmaoing at you. HA HA HA.
t. Aints fan

>>75496359
THANK you

>>75496208
fuck off

>>75496583
I've been lurking around here at least as long as you and you have no business calling anyone "delusional." You shitpost like it's your job. You pretend to predict things like you know what the hell you're talking about but make excuses for your utter amazement when your own team gets BTFO. If someone brings up the word "delusional" you should just put your head down and pray that everyone doesn't bring your stupid name up. Get over yourself asshole

>>75496785
Which team is that?

never, ever, respond to tripsfags. if you can't pretend they aren't there you're just as bad as them. Kinda like porking fat chicks

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>>75496194
Welcome to the Cowboys!

>>75496251
Next few years are gonna be tough

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>>75496621
>saying a team that had questions at every position on offence wasn't going to make the playoffs means you were shitting on them and you don't get credit for calling them not making the playoffs despite saying so both before the season and during their 5-0 start

lol okay autismo

Anyways some interesting thoughts from Joe Thomas and other NFL players about Reuben Foster and Jabrill Peppers diluted samples from the combine. I actually didn't know but in normal NFL drug tests they let you retake them if a sample is diluted

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which future hofer are we drafting bros?

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Christian McCaffrey better not go to a team I hate. Doesn't look like the niners will draft him at #2 b/c they are too big of pussies. If the Browns swoop on Trubisky the Niners should take McCaffrey #2.

>>75496896
A waffle.

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>>75496915
>the Niners should take McCaffrey #2.

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>>75496918
only Belgian ones make hof

>>75496789
>pretend to predict things

How the fuck do you pretend to make predictions lmao I don't claim to always be right but I still love talking football and saying what I think about certain teams going into the season. also please feel free to check the archives and look at my and other Ravens fans posting before the playoff games @ NE. Me and more than a few others said the Pats would take the game because our secondary was all on IR yet we're all supposedly delusional?

Dolphins are taking Ruben Foster

>>75496789
tripfags BTFO

>>75497026
he's not gonna fall that far

>>75497042
Yes he is, because of his reputation. We're gonna get him and he's going to fucking tear the patriots apart.

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>Zeke gonna use his Ohio State connections to sign Conley when he goes undrafted
>is probably already a big Cowboys fan like every other person in America
>mfw most young and talented core in the league

>Cowboys managed to get more than 6 future hall of famers in the span of 3 years

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THIS FUTURE DYNASTY IS LITERALLY UNSTOPPABLE

>>75497060
nah he'll go in the top 15.

>>75497093
Why would Conley go undrafted?

Europoor here wants to start watching handegg.Which team should i support?Give me a quick rundown on nfl.

>>75497130
no

>>75497126
do you read the news?

>>75497130
you should support the NFL vs the Patriots if you have any have any testosterone

Mitchell Trubisky is elite.

>>75497165
No he's not. He is shit.

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>>75497188
you are shit

>>75497142
Why not?

>>75496583
I remember the Vikings defense being exposed hard was the start of the downhill for them last season. I know Bradford isn't making meme plays like you want him to, but his numbers just don't scream mediocre-shit like you say they do.

Someone told me to support Eagles.Need info about them.

>>75497206
>"muh intangibles"
literally a huge bust just waiting to happen.

>>75496194
Sounds like a bullshit accusation to me

>>75497238
They suck. Have never won the league and have horrible fans. Go cheer for a real winner like the DALLAS COWBOYS.

>>75497238
A team that's accomplished literally nothing ever yet their fans still think they're some kind of blue chip organization.

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>yfw this is the 2017 MVP

>>75496814
I wish this place would just get rid of them. Just seeing that flacco faggot here is annoying. That guy knows fuck all about the sport but nobody ever tells him to shove it up his ass. Amazing he doesn't retire to some island with all the money he makes off his expert "predicting." What a cunt

>>75497126
>>75497126
Rape allegations only a few days before the draft

Lael Collins was questioned about a murder and even though police publicly stated he wasn't a suspect he went from a middle of the 1st round pick (a lot of mocks had him going to Saints at 14) to completely undrafted

>>75497221
Don't look at just last season look at his entire career. Sure he's worked with a lot of offensively deprived teams but at some point you have to make the guys around you better. Look at what Luck did with guys like Donte Moncrief and Jack Doyle last year. He made them better through practice and determination. Bradford is never going to be a winning QB because he doesn't raise the game of the players around him and never has

>>75497320
And because of that he will lose in his only Super Bowl appearance.

>>75497245
yeah its called being smart and passionate and studious. Unlike the niggers he is up against like Kizer and Watson, who comes from a one-read, tuck it and run dumb as rocks gimmicky offense...but he's a "winner"

>>75497210
>>75497130
You can start by just watching the games. Don't be so quick to pick a team, or you'll end up being called a bandwagoner and you'll deny yourself half the fun/torment of watching the game.

Once you get a feel for the games rules, on and off the field, and you start to recognize players and cities/regions more then you'll naturally gravitate towards a certain team.

For example: Many criminals and convicts are big Raiders fans. Their roster also reflects that, since the franchise does not seem to mind signing on people who regularly commit crimes themselves. In addition, Oakland and its surrounding communities are mostly run-down ghettos, so the fans attitudes and actions reflect that as well.

>>75497210
do your own research faget and you are just trolling for (yous). kill yourself. and your country sucks at soccer

>>75497345
>comparing Minnesota's receivers to TY Hilton and Moncrief
>comparing a top 5-7 QB in the league to Bradford to make him seem bad
You really are as dumb as people say, wow.

>>75497276
It definitely could be but what team is gonna possibly risk drafting a guy in even the 3rd or 4th round if he ends up being guilty of rape and going to trial and being cut before he plays a single down?

What team/GM would possibly risk the bad PR and wasted draft pick?

>>75497345
Yet another meme post from this blowhard. Fuck off. Don't you have some "intangibles" to talk about next?

>>75497282
>>75497294
What about NY Giants?

>>75497437
Haven't done much of anything since 2011 but always alright to watch. Their future is murky but they have some entertaining players.

>>75497394
>comparing a top 5-7 QB in the league to Bradford to make him seem bad

AHAHAHA what the fuck you literally said here >>75496531 that "Bradford played like a top 10 QB and nobody credits him"

Are you scizo or something?

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>>75497437
Good teams.

Their fans are all high IQ and successful.

>>75497464
What? I'm not that guy lol. More than one person thinks you're a moron, did you not know that?

>>75497421
Yeah I can't really blame any GM from wanting to stay away from the whole situation but this shit pisses me off

No player is safe from some gold digging bitch throwing out some accusation just to ruin a guys career

>>75497423
Ah yes well done keep defending Sam Bradford. I wonder what excuses you'll come up with for him winng 8 games this year?

>O-Oh well he had a year in the system sure but Zimmer is a shit coach he needs to go!
>NFC North is just too strong!
>M-Muh completion percentage

Everyone with half a brain gave up on Bradford years ago

>>75497345
>he doesn't raise the game of the players around him and never has
I can agree with this. I honestly don't see it happening with Bradford, and from his tweets and other sources he doesn't really seem too committed to taking the franchise anywhere new. His heart just isn't in it I guess, and seeing as people still have all eyes on Peterson despite his tenure with the Vikings being long over I can understand why he would feel that way.

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>>75497437
Support the San Francisco 49ers.

>>75497496
So wait I think Bradford is in the 18-25 range for QBs and you don't think he's a top 10 QB then why the fuck are you ripping me for saying he's not a top 10 QB? You think he's still a top 16 NFL QB or something is that really what we're arguing about the difference between the 20th best QB in the league compared to the 15th?

Fucking hell guys can't we talk about something better than this?

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>lions will go 7-9 and miss the playoffs
I want to believe this cycle won't continue. But every time I have some small inkling of hope, this team crushes it.

>>75497625
Why cheer for a dumpster fire organization like the Lions when you could cheer for a winner like the Cleveland Browns? Browns are a Super Bowl lock and you don't even know the depth of greatness in the Browns organization.

>>75497625
>that schedule
>7-9

11-5 is a lock

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>>75497615

CLOWNEY IS ELITE

>>75497511
This is why players have to be treated like caged birds before the draft starts. Just imagine all the lost potential because some bitch wanted to end up on the local news and to be the talk of her Facebook feed for a week.

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>>75497684
Yea I could talk some Texans

>>75497684
Clowney is a clown. Not a good clown, but a bad clown.

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>Corey Davis retweeted a tweet that said “Future Eagle” on Monday evening that he has since deleted. However, the arguable top wide receiver prospect in this week’s NFL Draft in Philly, sounds very interested in joining the Birds.

>“But I like Philly,” Davis told the Carlin & Reese Show. “I visited here, as you know. The coaches are great, great GM. I like the vibe that this city has going on. Davis said he already spoke with current Eagles wide receiver Jordan Matthews. “I talked to Matthews a little bit and he said he’d be happy to get me.”

>Davis says he expects to go in the 12 to 18 range in round one.

Which QBs in this draft are going to be the best?

1. Mitchell Trubisky
2. Cooper Rush
3. Chad Kelly

>>75496674
ayy geaux saints. we gonna have a defense this year or nahh?

>>75497848
>chad kelly

Son i dont know how to tell you this but you have been in a comma for 11 months

>>75497898
Nope not until we get rid of Brees.

>>75496915
the guy has never seen a real defense in that cupcake conference he was in. i wouldn't risk it if i were them. maybe he'll be good though

>>75497898
>>75497918
You get Derek Barnett Soloman Thomas at 11 than take fliers on two CBs at 32 and 41 (potentially Tre'Davious White 32 and Cordrea Tankersly at 41) you're looking at a very solid roster >on paper

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Prepare your assholes, faggots

>>75497848
All of them.

>>75498005
You only have 1 win against my team since Tomlin became your coach. I'm not even afraid of you in the slightest.

>>75497918
how much time left on his contract? how much does he have left in the tank?

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>>75498047
>my team

>>75497677
nah, they could start 3-4

>>75498062
I'm Robert fucking Kraft. What are you going to do about it nigger?

>>75498083
>roleplaying as an old white man
I mean if that's your fetish, more power to you.

>>75498053
I don't know and I don't care. Cut his ass.

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>100

>>75498125
5 > 0

>>75498062

im on the jaguars practice squad now bitchass nigga,, cool cartoons whiteboi.

>>75498107
word

Is TJ Watt the next JJ Watt?

>>75498254
He's the next Glenn Gronkowski.

>>75498070
I really think we need a receiver to continue competing. After losing Boldin I'm hoping White Thunder Jace Billingsley will shine.

>>75498287
Well you can't really expect a fullback to be a huge difference maker in today's league.

shut up mayo

>>75498307
but we could still re sign boldin right?

no WR drafting allowed below this line
__________________________________

Minnesota wins the North and Loins miss the playoffs.

>>75498496
>winning a division with Sam Badford

>>75498329
is Glenn Gronkowski or JJ watt's other brother a better fullback, think that he is with the chargers?

>>75497677
8-8 is generous bro
nyg, packer sweep, 1-1 vs vikings, falcons, panthers, steelers, buccs, maybe ravens
thats 8 or 9 losses

https://twitter.com/SportsFunhouse/status/856943476503695361

do people actually listen to mike francesa?

>>75498564
I only listen to him just for trolling purposes. I call into his show and that's it.

>>75498496
only way that happens is if the packers injure all three of their qbs

>>75497981
>cupcake

east coast snobbery. What's the matter, the games are played after your bedtime, cuck?

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>about to be a high first round draft pick and make millions
>rape someone

It still astounds me how dumb niggers can be.

>>75498592
east coast is the only relevant part of the country

>>75498661
It's just some slut lookin for an eqsy payday

>>75498661
it was only alleged

it could be a l'ael collins situation

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>>75498062

My name is McLeod John Baltazar Bethel-Thompson. I play for "Team West" in The Spring League and am currently an NFL free agent. I have featured in the NFL preseason and have been a member of the San Francisco 49ers, Miami Dolphins and Minnesota Vikings practice squads. I played college football at UCLA, where I started a bowl game, and later transferred to Sacramento State.

Ask me anything.

>>75498691
You literally saved my madden team's franchise by choking away SF's playoff bid

Thank you

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>mfw Sam Bradford gets hurt and the Vikings go out and get Godhand Tony Romo out of retirement

>>75498663
The San Francisco Giants have won three world series since 2010, faget.

>>75498724
>replacing one glass QB with another
Viqueens are actually retarded enough to think this would be a good idea.

I guess getting a WR or CB in the first is a good call. It would be real neat if Fournette or McCaffery dropped to the Eagles. But if theyre planning on getting an RB late (or possibly Joe Mixon, Kareem Hunt, or Samaje Perine) thered be no point in getting one of the top tier RBs early on

its a shame, itd be nice to mccaffrey in midnight green

>>75498727
and how are they doing this year?

>>75498751
We're gonna go for the record of ded QBs on the roster.

>>75498781
Well if you want a record ded QB, I got one named Ricky you can have. He's unfortunately Canadian though, but he's decent and always injured.

>>75496208
Redskins
A cornerback
Not a cornerback

Isaac Asiata to the Pats.
Make it happen.

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>>75497778
>mfw he's still on the board when they pick and they take Charles Harris

Conley got a rape investigation and he just tweeted about it. What fucking dumb ass.

>>75496062
http://www.patriots.com/galleries/2017/04/25/then-now-patriots-year-they-were-drafted

interesting

>>75498661
>impying it actually happened that way

I'm surprised nobody is going after cutler
If he plays like his full potential, he could be exactly what a team like the texans need

>>75499208
>If he plays like his full potential,

They know he won't.

>>75499208
Cutlet is terrible.

Can't think of a QB with a shittier attitude.

>>75499208
>if he plays like his full potential
this has been the mantra for the past 8 years, it's time to accept that he is never going to play up to his potential

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r8 my new gear, boys

>>75499645
you wearing a bracelet, honey?

>>75497320
>Christian
>Has a tattoo
>pick one

>>75499645
that's a pretty big tampon. why are you wearing it across your chest?

>>75499669
Commands given by God to the nation of Israel in the Old Testament aren't binding for all Christians, so tattoos aren't outright against his faith

>>75499662
it's the camera's wrist strap, Nigel.

>>75499674
what the hell are you talking about?

>>75499713
That tattoo is a religious symbol too right?

>>75499825
Yep, one of the first signs that abbreviate Jesus. X and P are the first two letters of "Christ" in old greek

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Dolphins

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>>75498005
>Stoolers
>ever getting past the Pats, Raiders or Colts this year
Fucking loser steelers fans get so hyped up for their team to go below expectations and play 2 extra games after the regular season ends.

>>75499250
>>75499273
>>75499634
would you honestly give a lot of shits if you played for the bears?

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>>75499970
>or Colts

>>75500003
I'd take Colts or Texans over the Steelers

Can't wait for filthy raidniggers to go 5-11 so their filthy disgusting raidNIGGER fanbase will crawl back into obscurity again where filthy raidNIGGERS belong

>>75499645
>fat
>tripfag

*yawn*

>>75498770
i don't see CB in the first with conley being accused of rape 2bh

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>>75499645
Why the fuck is it always Pats trips who post picture of themselves on here?

>GOAT Brady
>Mayo
>Pie in the sky
>BB

When will it end?

>>75500181
This is all just so the Eagles can grab him in the 2nd round after getting Corey Davis in the 1st

>>75500201
>2nd round

You mean undrafted right?

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>implying the Saints won't average 50 points per game
>Drew Brees going play action with AD in the backfield

HAHAHAHA rest of the league is fucked

>>75500192
why does it visibly bother you?

>>75500224
>1st round talent going undrafted because of some bitch accusing him of unreliable cunt literally 2 days before the draft

Yeah I doubt it

>>75500260
Remember La'el Collins?

>>75500260
Accusing him of rape*

jesus fucking christ why did I have to stay up all night

>>75500269
Yeah and teams were stupid for not drafting him at all

>>75500229
lel maybe 50 points at home and roughly 23 on the road as usual

I do think the signing is big if AD stays healthy. Best thing the Cowboys did for their defence was run the ball more and eat up clock in 2014 and 2016

>>75500229
>Taints fan already hyping up a 32 year old child abuser with chronic fumbling and now injury issues

lol

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/04/25/nfl-draft-dalvin-cook-red-flags-character-concerns-scouts-florida-state-miami-dade

Interesting read on Dalvin Cook. Don't think he's perfect but I could definitely see the Ravens drafting him. Humble, quiet, hard worker and religious which is basically all Ravens not named Suggs or Weddle

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>>75500452
>Where Cook goes in the draft is anyone’s guess. Miss Betty believes the Eagles are very interested—they were the only team to reach out to her personally. Eagles running backs coach Duce Staley called her to talk about Dalvin’s character. “He was just telling me how much he wants Dalvin,” the proud grandmother beams. “He said ‘But I don’t think he’ll be there with the 14th pick, Miss Betty.’”

>>75500587
Yea didn't like reading that part. Really don't want the Ravens to get cucked out of a great RB two years in a row thanks

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who /cards/ here?

>>75500619
Holy fuck didn't realise he's missed all of the last 3 seasons

Pretty sure it was right after he got that huge extension too. Gotta think he'll have to take a big paycut otherwise if I was the Cards i'd just release him

>>75500229
>play action with AD
>can't block
>Brees gets injured on a sack
>year is over

>only one not laughing is you because everyone else isn't as dumb as you

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>>75500817
Gonna be lmaoing @ you when whatever dumpster fire team you root for gets stomped by Brees and AD.

>>75500229
Offense-only meme teams never end well

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why do people act like AP is going to do anything big in NO, he's not even the starter. plus payton hates using running backs as much as AP was used in minnesota, so AP isn't going to get the 20+ touches he needs to "get his rhythm" even if he supplants ingram. the signing honestly seems like a really bad fit on both sides

Pass me a link to the discord

>>75500962
>why do people act like AP is going to do anything big in NO
because he used to be good and has the biggest name of all running backs in the league

>>75500962
Ap didn't have any other options and 3.5 mil is actually decent money for his baggage and liabilities

Saints are so close to blowing it up I think they're just taking a swing at a clock killer

Say what you want about AP but this is the first time since 2009 where he's had a qb who could take guys out of the box.

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tear this mock apart
it does look more and more like the panthers might go with mccaffrey over fournette....

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>>75496208
>Texans
>Offensive Tackle like Robinson, Bolles, or Ramczyk
>A QB if the class was better and one fell to them at 25, but since the QB class is questionable at best, I don't know who I really want them to take

This is going to be yet another draft where Smith picks an OK guy in the first round that was probably more of a 2nd rounder. Then in the middle to late rounds he drafts more nobodies that don't see the field due to injury, conditioning, or incompetence. Or maybe some start later in the season due to a lack of depth and injuries.

Any way you slice it, Rick "I haven't drafted a QB in the first 3 rounds since my installment as GM in 2006" Smith is gonna fuck this up.

>>75501011
The Jags will probably take Fournette.

>>75500982
https://discordapp.com/channels/167436753953619968/167436753953619968

>>75500962
Saints are a great fit for him.

They are like 50/50 under center/shotgun which is much better than most teams who almost play entirely in the gun. Brees keeps them from stacking the box which is good for both guys.

If he has a bounce back year like he did off his ACL injury, the Saints will be a scary offense considering they were already a top 5 offense.

And Payton wouldn't have signed him if he wasn't prepared to use him.

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>>75501011
I get that Mahomes is receiving a lot of hype and that he has obvious arm talent, but I just don't see his kind of game translating to the NFL let alone O'Brien's offense.

If the Texans did pick him, it would have to be in the 2nd round, that is if he fell to them there.

I also agree with >>75501044. I'm not sure I see the Jags passing on Fournette.

>>75501044
didn't they trade away julius thomas?
i could see them possibly trading back and taking howard around pick 10
it seems weird to me that the jags, who already have quite a bit of capital invested in rbs
it doesnt make sense to invest a lot more capital into rb when they can get something in a later round, this draft is absurdly deep at rb
but theres a reason the jags pick top 5 every year.... so its likely they will do something stupid

>>75501114
I don't know, I don't follow the Jags. I just keep seeing Fournette mocked to them and it somewhat makes sense with their lackluster run game.

>>75501003
the saints offense doesn't lend itself at all to AP's playstyle though, and vice versa. the saints throw to their running backs more than any team but the pats, and AP is a crappy receiver. not to mention that he's a bad pass blocker and that one bad hit could end brees' career at this point.

i see the appeal of "hey this guy put up massive numbers with no passing game in the past, surely with a top 3 QB he will be rejuvenated", but NFL offenses aren't plug-in-play. AP's running style isn't that wildly different than ingram's, so i think the former is more of an insurance policy on the latter than an actual feature back at this point in his career. just doesn't seem like it's worth the money to the saints imo.

Is this conley thing really a big deal? as an eagles fan i was pretty sure we were going to pick him

>>75501093
well what do the texans do about qb
i seriously doubt that mahomes falls to the texans in round 2
the jets, cards, saints, giants, broncos, chargers and jags all have some form of need at qb and would probably strongly consider mahomes if he fell to round 2 for each of them with the cardinals being the happiest if that fall happened
also who do you think the texans would take instead of mahomes there? a cb? white? jones? king?

>>75501145
being accused by name of rape is a goddamn big deal dude
la'el collins wasnt even a direct suspect in the case surrounding him and he went undrafted and all that news broke like a week before the draft IIRC
conley is directly accused as a rapist 72 hours before the draft and will for sure go undrafted

>>75501145
Huge for him

Unless the results from the rape kit both show nothing occurred AND that information is released to teams before the draft commences he'll likely go undrafted

>>75501048
It's not working

>>75501140
>the saints offense doesn't lend itself at all to AP's playstyle though

not really. Saints offense does a lot of different things. They've never committed themselves to one type of player, which is why they filter in and out so many guys in that offense every season.

Chris Ivory has no pass catching ability and thats where his career started and it gives them another option if ingram gets hurt or under performs.

I don't think he'll be a difference maker but I get the idea behind it.

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Can you believe it's been 10 years since it all began?

>>75501216
>who do you think the texans would take instead of mahomes there?
I would not be surprised to see them take an OT like Robinson, Bolles, or Ramczyk. They're dangerously thin on the O-line, especially after Newton's injury (tore both patellar tendons).

Quite a few mocks have the Texans taking an OT and Rick Smith has said he doesn't feel pressure to draft a QB in the 1st round. Not that I believe Smith, but I'm just going on the available evidence.

Who knows, though. I think the Texans recently had Mahomes (and later Watson) in for a private workout, so they've shown interest there.

>>75501289
Yes I can. If anything it feels like longer than that since Russell was out of the league after 3 years

>>75501276
>not really. Saints offense does a lot of different things
they haven't been in the top half of NFL teams for rush attempts since 2009. every single year that AP played at least 15 games in for the vikings they were in the top 15 in rush attempts. imo the saints do not rush the ball enough for AP to be effective, especially if he's backing up ingram. i think it's a good depth move, but not a good fit.

>>75501242
hes not going undrafted unless rape is confirmed

murder =/= rape

and even if the kit shows nothing, which it more than likely wont, he'll still wind up in civil court

>>75501406
Saints are on their last legs. They've gone 7-9 three years in a row. They've been coasting off their 2009 owl win for way toooooo long now.

So they're taking a shot on an older player with a lot of flaws from fumbling to pass catching to pass protection etc but they're not using AP in his Minnesota work horse role. They're going to use him in a complimentary role we have not seen him in.

Sean Payton loves to have a deep stable of running backs who excel at different things and AP might still have a useful skill set in short yardage and clock killing situations. Patriots have loaded up on running backs who all do different things.

What does he have to lose? Saints are on the last legs and might as well go all in.

>>75501011
>Eagles taking Cook over Davis

Trash

>>75501406
I just looked up and the last 3 years the Saints have averaged slightly over 400 rushing attemps per season. You figure a Nice 350 carry split between Ingram and AD with 50 going to somebody like Cadet + a few scrambles by Brees

Think Peterson will definitely get enough work to make his money provided obviously he stays healthy

>>75501532
Well yea a team could take a day 3 flier on him maybe round 5 or higher but what GM would want to take the heat if there's DNA proof and he gets put in jail before he plays a down?

I'm not saying It's as bad as murder but PR wise it most definitely is. He's gonna be off a lot of teams draft boards unless again the rape kit shows nothing and is released to the general public before the draft which is very unlikely

>>75501560
the saints are actually on the tail end of their post 2009 rebuild

their roster is very talented, they just keep having people injured in camp. The AP thing is a joke though.

>>75501626
Is this bait? The Saints defense is dogshit with or without injuries

>>75501626
They've gone 7-9 three years in a row and have a 38 year old quarterback. Just because their defense has gone from historically awful to just really bad doesn't mean they're rebuilt.

If they go 7-9 again that team is going to see major changes.

>>75501560
>What does he have to lose?
this is sort of my point, i think it's more of a "why the fuck not?" move than something that's actually good for the team. there is nothing wrong with having a guy like AP for situational roles, but with their cap situation being as bad as it is and their defense being as bad as it is it doesn't seem at all like a move that's going to put them over the top.

also, you mentioned the patriots getting RBs that serve different functions. that's a great idea on offense, but what exactly does AP offer that mark ingram can't do just as well at this point? i certainly don't think he has the speed he once did, and he doesn't catch the ball any better than ingram. after losing tim hightower i would have thought the saints would try to get someone like burkhead, instead of a washed up version of the guy they already have signed.
>>75501580
it just seems to me like that offense didn't really need to be fucked with. ingram is obviously a little fragile to be a workhorse, but bringing in a guy with AP's injiry history doesn't solve that. like i mentioned above as well, they still have a void in terms of a pass-catching back, so maybe they go after one of those in the draft. in the end though, regardless of how they pump up an already juiced offense, their season will hinge on the defense getting better. i feel like the AP money could have been used to shore up their depth on that side of the ball instead of getting a backup RB for a passing team.

Two days left and then a few months of waiting some more.

>>75501718
Who could they have signed in FA to help on defence for 3.5 Mil guaranteed?

They have 3 top 41 picks in a defence heavy draft. If they can hit on two of them whatever position and they run the ball more I like them to win 10 games with their schedule. Again It's way too early to call season records with all the injuries and suspensions that will happen between now and September but I'm high on them right now

>>75501621
I said if its positive, hes done. Keep in mind the kit was administered april 9. If it had showed something relevant, they would have brought him in for a test. I think most teams are going to doubt her.

Also, there were witnesses at the time. They all claim that nothing happened. So, its her word against his posses word.

They also arent denying that she was there or that there was a conflict of verbal nature, which I feel would give police probable cause to seek a dna subpoena.

I think he'll drop down a little regardless because he shouldnt be in a hotel with a posse asking for a gangbang.

>>75501660
>>75501704
they have good talent on defense. But they get injured. guys like kikaha and anthony are very good.

I said "tail end" of a rebuild. Meaning still a rebuild guys. not elite. but they ARE getting younger and better, so a collapse is not imminent.

>>75501782
this is the most sane thing hes posted in 4 years and its because its true

saints have a shot at competence

>>75501768
Pretty much. The draft and the few days following will be some quality football talk but after that follows the true NFL off season where there's almost no news outside of injuries which are usually depressing as fuck for fans of said team

Absolutely nothing good happens between May-July

>>75501782
>Who could they have signed in FA to help on defence for 3.5 Mil guaranteed?
literally ANY cornerback, their depth behind breaux is putrid. they did a good job beefing up the d-line but you cannot win in today's league with a secondary as bad as the saints have right now. if they hit their high picks in the draft their defense could be better no doubt, but even with a DB class this loaded you can't build a secondary in a single draft. if the saints truly are committed to winning now, they should address their most glaring needs in FA instead of giving into payton's whims and polishing the offense some more. it's like buying gold rims for your ferrari while your wife drives a camry.

>>75501812

Brees is in a contract year though and that gm has fucked up that roster so many times

AP is another indicator to me that the saints gm is on the hot seat if he was desperate enough to take that risk.

Saints easily have the worst roster in the division.

>>75501876
Well considering their top two CBs played a combined 8 games last year I can see why they opted to stay with what they know rather than chase a mediocre FA. They kept Sterling Moore who played well at times outside of a crucial dropped pick against the Lions and Ken Crawley played very well for a young guy

You throw in two guys like Cordrea Tankersly and say Chidobe Awuzie or Kevin King you let them compete and that depth chart really doesn't look too bad

The big thing will be if Vonn Bell can improve in his coverage. Really had some painful mental lapses in his rookie year but you can tell he's a talented Safety. Not gonna compare him to Landon Collins because he's not as polished but he went through the same thing his first year

>tfw draft and FA are about to be over and all we'll have is training camp till August

Hold me bros

>>75501932
its not easily worse than the bucs, but i agree with the rest

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AP's agent: "You want to play for money or a ring?"
AP: "Neither"
Agent: "I'm on it"'

>>75501977
so if two to three unproven guys and two rookies play their best the saints secondary becomes kind of good? this is kind of the problem.

the saints are stuck in the limbo where they're not bad enough to start rebuilding, but not good enough to contend, specifically not good enough on defense. to make matters worse the only thing keeping them relevant, brees, is also something that's holding them back, i.e. his salary taking up a massive chunk of cap. no one on the saints secondary played very well last year, and yet outside of the draft they really haven't addressed that. the offense will be good again this year, and maybe even better with the addition of AP. but a signing like that is really indicative of a team that thinks it can win it all with its current roster, and as the saints are right now they cannot. i'm never going to count out a team with brees on it, but he's been having amazing years for the past 3 seasons and they haven't been over .500; the thing holding the saints back hasn't changed.

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clowney is elite

>Be elite NFL prospect on the cusp of making millions and securing your future
>Literally one random stacy says "he raped me"
>Lose it all
explain this

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What did DRC mean by this?

>>75502387
Nothing can be done about it really

You're not going actually draft the guy with a first round pick because if you actually draft a rapist you'll look really bad

>>75502098
Sterling Moore, Delvin Breaux and Ken Crawley aren't unproven though only PJ Williams is since he's been injured his first two years

I'm not saying they have to shut anyone down but if they get some good contributions from their rookies they won't have to keep winning games like 41-48 @ Cards and 41-38 vs Panthers

>>75502395
>Niggers

>Reuben Foster is a Bengal

Truer words have never been spoken, he was skilled enough for sure but we just need that failed test and argument with the NFL doctor at the combine to be sure he was /ourguy/

>>75502672
>dumb nigger becomes a bengal
wow who saw that one coming.

>>75502672
dont forget they had to dumb down they plays at bama because he couldnt call them all

hes literally retarded

>>75496896
He'll retire early.

>The Eagles wanted to draft Earl Thomas and Russell Wilson
>had a chance at both

Glad we don't live in that era.

>>75502835
>the eagles drafted nelson agholor and marcus smith
J U S T

>>75502835
Everyone in the league had a chance at Russell Wilson.

>>75502857
Don't remind me

>jays drafted a punter before Wilson

>>75502973
so this is the famous BBC white women cant resist! damn....

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>>75500619
Yo.

>>75501114
>>75501044
Jags like Watson but it's a toss-up between him/DE/and OL. Possible trade-up for Panthers for Fournette if the price is right, but I think they're happy with McCaffrey as a consolation prize.

>>75503158
>mcaffery
LMAO

>>75503158
Aside from the fact that McCaffrey is a fucking terrible fit for the Panthers offense, there is no way in hell the Jags draft an o-lineman 4th overall. What are you smoking?

>>75503242
just let him be an idiot
his proactive engagement in being delusional about the jags gives him some sliver of hope he couldn't otherwise have

>his team addresses its needs before the draft
ayy lmao

>>75503540
>His team addresses needs at all

lol

>>75503540
>addressing needs in the draft

>>75503540
>drafting for need
ayy lmao

>>75503540
>drafting
LMAO

>>75503540
havent run into you in a long time

got any excel charts youd like to share

redpill me on joe mixon
is he just a dumb nig
is he worth drafting
will the eagles be able to get him in the 2nd 3rd round?

>>75504036
Eagles still never winning an owl

If your team needs a CB and has decent depth everywhere you better draft a CB.

This best player available shit is dumb. It's best player available based on reasonable need.

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>>75504036
ya
ya
hes a first round talent they'll be lucky to get him at 43

>>75504122
You dont mean that ;_;

>>75504036
yep
yep
2nd yep, 3rd nope

>>75504036
He's at least smart enough NOT to rape someone during the pre-draft process.

The Chargers will take Malik Hooker or Malik McDowell. The battle of Maliks.

>>75504138
No it isn't


I'd rather have a 9/10 Always than a 7/10 reach I could get two rounds later just because I "need" him

>>75504205
so if the packers are devestated by injury this season and finish 1-15 and get the #1 pick, and sam darnold pans out and has a season that confirms last season, youre telling me the packers should draft sam darnold so he can sit for the next 5 years or so?

youre an idiot. pick the player you need most out of whos left on the board. after maybe the first 5 picks, there is rarely a clear "best player left". its usually the case that many players are left that could be reasonably be drafted there. you pick the one you need most.

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the iggles aren't stupid enough to reach for harris at 14, r-right g-guys?

>>75504644
eagles draft first round DL for no reason all the time. better hope a QB goes in the top 5

>>75504644
im more worried about McMeme, im sure he'll be a decent player but i think there could be much better players at 14

>>75504571
you mean like when the packers drafted Rodgers even though they still had a hof quarterback and had bigger needs

What were they thinking!

>>75504571
>in his efforts to describe a bad scenario from picking BPA he used Rodgers, one of the most notorious examples of BPA paying off

What did this tripfag mean by this?

>>75501289

>JaMarcus Russell went ahead of the Lions' best receiver ever in Calvin Johnson and a future HoFer in Joe Thomas

Really gets my neurons firing.

>>75504706
>>75504743

favre was getting seriously injured at that point

he only lasted 3 years in gb

rogers is much healthier and playing in a more "long lived" era

also, that was way down the first round, not 1

>>75504769
>moving the goalposts from "drafting BPA is retarded!!!1!" to "drafting BPA is only really bad if it happens in this exact way I describe!!"

Kill yourself, my man

>>75504769

Round doesn't matter, still best player available.

>>75503149
>no rings
>cards fans laughing
uh huh sure buddy

>>75504769
Your hypothetical situation is stupid anyways because they would just trade for more picks if they were at 1

>>75504797
ive moved no goalposts
my original post is still clearly valid, one poor "counterexample" doesnt change the fact that the packers felt they needed a QB. He wasnt BPA necessarily. As I said, past 5 there really is no such thing as BPA. Before 5, i chose an example that shows the absurdity of choosing "BPA".

If you want another example, consider the jets drafting leonard williams. They still havent figured out a good rotation.

>>75504820
???? Whos the bpa @ 6:25? who can say objectively?

>>75504907
thats my point actually. They would realize "we dont NEED a qb, so lets move down to gain value while still being in a position to draft a guy we NEED"

LGTSS
>drafting for need

>>75504914
>Jets drafting Leonard Williams was a bad pick
This is how I know you're retarded. I'll bet you think Laremy Tunsil was a bad pick as well.

>>75504953
? The dolphins had a clear need at oline

the jets did not have a clear need at de

>>75504937
But at 1 you could get anything you "needed"

Smart teams accumulate value by taking the best talent not continually chase their own talent by plugging needs

Fact: a teams needs change wildly every year

>>75504999
Richardson has gone full retard.

Williams has all his talent but not a head case.

>>75504999
They're trading Sheldon Richardson, so they do have a clear need at DE. Morons like you who don't understand BPA think everything will be the same as it was during draft day for the next 4-5 of the guy you pick's rookie contract. Williams was the best player on the board and picking him has allowed the Jets to part ways with Richardson and still maintain a dominant front.

Bullshit accusation by an opportunist as usual. http://www.nfldraftdiamonds.com/draft-diamonds-investigative-report-gareon-conley-maybe-the-victim/

>>75505085
Obviously, it's no coincidence that this accusation just happens to come out 2 days before the draft

>>75505034
>But at 1 you could get anything you "needed"
youd miss out on trade value, but sure

>Smart teams accumulate value by taking the best talent not continually chase their own talent by plugging needs
So if BPA for a given teams pick was DT, they should just draft them every year? Even though you really only get max 2 starters on a roster?

>Fact: a teams needs change wildly every year
and? this implies nothing.

>>75505063
Why is richardson still on the roster at all? why pay him the salary? why wait till draft day 2 years later?

>>75505069
They are probably not going to be able to trade him, and they never were. Other teams dont want him and he'll likely wind up a in free agency. cap it.

And theres nothing against drafting for future need, but thats still drafting for need. If they decided "we wanna still have a good dline after overpaying richardson and wilkerson, so we will draft for future need", its still a need.

>>75505252
>drafting for future need
This is fucking BPA, you moron. If you're conceding that drafting for "future need" is fine you're agreeing that BPA is fine.

>>75505252

Moron.

>>75505286
not abstract future. only a literal "this is gonna be a need in exactly x years".
its an important distinction. Thats what separates the packers taking darnold and the packers taking Rogers

>>75505357
>only a literal "this is gonna be a need in exactly x years".
The Jets weren't thinking like this when they selected Richardson, yet it ended up benefitting them. That's how BPA works, if you pick the best player on the board then you're better off when unexpected shit happens. You are literally just moving the goalposts any time someone picks a hole in your argument here.

>>75505377
what? they had a need at dline when they drafted Richardson

>>75505392
When they selected Williams, aka the player we were talking about.

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>>75497130
bulgaria friend! choose the baltimore ravens. they are typically underdogs, have a reputation for hard hitting defense, and are usually pretty good. they're the type of team that's exciting to watch because theyre good enough to generally be in contention for the playoffs. also, they have the best rivalry in football with the steelers. they have a reputation for being dirty, and actively encourage players having a chip on their shoulders. plus, the black and purple color scheme kicks ass

>>75505406
then you made a typo

williams was a pure bpa pick, and richardson was a need pick

they easily could have just drafted a de in 2016 rather than williams in 2015. go look at the 2015 draft. plenty of guys after williams that could have had a bigger impact were taken after him.

why are you even having this conversation
drafting based off need or availability is based off what team you have
if you are on a 4/10 team, you get the best players and start rebuilding
if you are on a 8/10 and have glaring holes, you get what you need and try to stay in contention
if you have an old injured qb and need a replacement, get a qb that you can really give time to develop
If you lost in the NFCCG and are 8/10 on offense. and 5/10 on the defensive backfield, get some defensive backfieldmen and try to go to the superbowl
it ain't rocket science

>>75505473
>plenty of guys after williams that could have had a bigger impact were taken after him.
Like who? Who specifically available at the 6th pick, that was rated BEFORE THE DRAFT as a good enough player to be selected there, would have made a bigger impact on the current Jets?

>>75505487
i agree

some people on here, far too many, asert that bpa is the only good choice

>>75505496
rating has nothing to do with it when you dont take bpa. so i dont know why you said that.

but consider vic beasley. hes a 43slb pass rusher and had a great rookie season.

>>75505537
So you're telling me the Jets, who were 5th in the NFL in sacks the year before the 2015 draft, would have selected a pure pass rusher as their "need" pick? And that would have been a better pick than Williams? Good lord you're retarded.

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Don't expect any good decisions from the Browns

>>75505573
he is a better player than williams, and they actually had the 24th ranked scoring defense. they were 4-12.

and if you dont like that, why not take kevin white? cant count it all on marshall from free agency.

or how about marcus peters to shore up the defense? like it or not, there were players who would have had a bigger impact.

>>75505686
>he is a better player than williams
Debatable.
>scoring defense
How does a pure pass rusher affect that when they were 5th in the league in pass rush already?
>kevin white
With Brandon Marshall and Eric Decker? Yeah that's a real need pick, nice one.
>Marcus Peters
No one in the world would have taken Peters with the 6th overall pick, that is 100% hindsight.

From this post, I'm getting the feeling you're just arguing for the sake of it now.

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>>75505575
i hate conspiracy shit because i find it too fascinating

>>75505714
>thats debateable
not even remotely. Beasley is clearly superior.
>marshall
marshall was horrible the year before. he was far from a garauntee at the time

>100% hindsight
he was the consensus best corner in the draft.

>>75505753
>he was the consensus best corner in the draft.
One, no he wasn't. Trae Waynes was, and KEvin Johnson was rated about the same as Peters before the draft. Two, that means absolutely nothing. Teams don't draft guys way before their overall big board ranking just because they're the best player at a need position.

>>75505781
he was the consensus #1. But hey, why not take trey waynes then? corner was a need.

>>75505823
>he was the consensus #1
No, he wasn't.
>why not take trey waynes then?
Because teams don't take players who aren't worth their pick in their eyes even if they are a need. This is the basis of the NFL draft.

>>75505846
youre now hybridizing both philosophies. congratualtions, youve realized im right.

>>75505878
No, for some reason you're pretending that me describing BPA by saying "teams don't take players who aren't worth their pick in their eyes even if they are a need" makes you right. Again, way to move the goalposts/backtrack, etc.

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CLOWNEY IS ELITE

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>Eli is going to be suspended

>The Panthers are gonna draft a white RB
how many white RBs are even in the league right now?

>>75505950
Danny Woodhead, Rex Burkhead

>>75504769
>favre was getting seriously injured at that point
>still didn't miss a game until 6 seasons later for an entirely different team

>>75505950
Jalen Richard

>>75505957
Don't bother, man. That trip has some mental block about being wrong or something.

>>75505950
They also have a white middle linebacker and that worked out pretty well for them.

>>75505950
Devlin
The guy who fumbled in the NFCCG

>>75506127
>The guy who fumbled in the NFCCG
He's a fullback IIRC

>>75505950
zach zenner