Relocations

>>75375841
pretty much inevitable when your league has franchises worth over a billion dollars

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>>75375841
I actually find expansion and relocation to be really exciting, generally. But lately they have been screwing it the fuck up. Examples:

- Is Las Vegas really a city that deserves two franchises (NHL and NFL) all of a sudden? The air conditioning palaces they'll have to build in the middle of the desert will be sterile places to play games and will slowly destroy the environment.

- Fuck Los Angeles. The Chargers? The Rams? Those relocations were fucking retarded and ruined what was left of those brands. LA (and the rest of California, for that matter) has enough big teams.

Things I would like to see:
- Montréal get a team again (perhaps MLB?)

- MLB expansion in general (not in LA or any other meme city plz)

- Any team relocated or expanded to a place that isn't a fucking meme. There are plenty of metro areas in the US that have never had a team or haven't in a really long time, especially in the non-coastal states.

at this rate the NHL is gonna have a team in mexico city before Quebec again

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>>75375841
Bring back the Hartford Whalers. Cunts.

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>>75375841
>>75376075
To answer your questions more directly:

>MLB team in Mexico or Cuba
Cuba would be chill

>Quebec getting their hockey team back
Hell yeah

>Seattle Sonics returning
Hell yeah

>Arizona Coyotes relocating when?
As long as they don't go to LA

the coyotes should move to seattle

>>75376292
kansas city is the non plebeian relocation city

>>75376314
I would agree with that

Why does new orleans have a basketball team but not a baseball team

>>75375841
relocation is good when the league is first and foremost healthy , the franchise itself is not healthy and the replacement is fast growing and suitable to be a replacement

so by these terms Oakland to Vegas is a good relocation because one the franchise is not healthy(plays in a crumbling stadium , oakland is losing jobs and millionaires do not watch sports[santa clara] , they care about baseball more than basketball and football) and the fanbase is vegas is largely raider fans anyway so another LA 2.0

whereas chargers and LA was terrible by all fronts and won't survive past 10 years , I even have doubts about the rams but too soon to judge it yet.

Expansions are good when the league is healthy and future owners can spend the cash on their respective parks/stadium

>>75376609
>Expansions are good when the league is healthy and future owners can spend the cash on their respective parks/stadium

yet the NHL is having huge problems with 4 or 5 teams that stadium issues and are still choosing to expand and not relocate

>>75375841
The MLB could expand to Montreal and either New Orleans or North Carolina. I don't see Mexico purely because the peso is such dogshit.

>>75376711
any of those would be dope

>>75376711
not to mention the elevation of that city would make it Coors park 2.0

>Coors park 5,200 feet

>mexico city 7,382 feet

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EXPOS
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>>75376657
Yeah the NHL commish wants money , he needs to be replaced.

I hope islanders go to hartford and stay there

>>75376770
You had your chance to build a dynasty in 1994 if your owners weren't jewish and decided to pay their players.

Expos were the greatest farm system any other team could ask for.

>>75376826
and now we have the nationals the
>rags of the west

>>75376775
they probably won't go there but here's hoping

and also hoping the hurricane relocate to Qubeec

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>Even when playing like complete shit, the Cubs find ways to win.
>They don't even need Umpball
You all are fucked when the Maddon unfucks the team's hitting funk and skitzoid pitching

imagine paying 500 million dollars to put a hockey team in the desert

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fx_BmWb1PGM

I can't wait for when the colorado avalanche play in quebec city

heads will roll

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>>75376943
>that goal horn

Connecticut native here. Having the Hartford Whalers again would be a dream come true

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>>75376943
Right?? Fucking REEEEEE

>>75376989
Fuck off /r9k/

>>75376988
True haha CT is still one big crying jordan.jpg over the Whalers. You hear about that rock station that got rebranded as 102.9 "The Whale"? And their call letters are WDRC, so it's not like it's based on that.

>>75377007
okay

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>>75375841
Good. Bad.

I'm the guy with the gun.

>>75377150
top kek

>>75377031
Yea, and you still see Whalers gear everywhere no matter if you're near Hartford or not, seems like the majority of people here have a hat or sweatshirt or something whalers, Now we just need the team again, I actually read that the potential market is larger than like 6 active NHL teams currently

>>75376711
MLB in Santo Domingo pls

>>75376075
Rays to Montreal WHEN?

EXPOS BACK WHEN?

>>75376242
MLB teams in Cuba, DR, Mexico City and Puerto Rico would be absolutely based

>>75378224
Seriously. You saw how competitive they are in the WBC.

>>75375841
Expansion team to Quebec for 2019-20
Carolina or Florida relocates to Seattle for 2021-22
Vegas relocates to Toronto area for 2022-23

>>75375841
>having a team based in a different country in your league

>>75375841
No American leagues should have teams in Canada
Anyone who believes any different is a fucking cuck
Also the furpuck league isn't American

>>75378224
None of those places are big and/or rich enough to have a team

>>75377452
Fuck no

>>75376770
No
Fuck no

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H-hey guys, w-what's goin' on in this thread?

Virginia beach here we are building A 20 million dollar arena next year hopefully we get a NBA or Hockey team

>his 'teams' are allowed to up sticks and move elsewhere and just expect new fans to start watching them

>>75379599
>tfw we have a canadian team in a league of ours

>>75380747
I feel for ya buddy

no1 care lol

>>75383210
fuck off Britbong

>>75381938
What you do is pathetic behavior

>>75375841
>Havana

So you're in the camp of "Capitalism is going to cannibalize itself within the next couple seasons" in which case, Havana's a great option or Caracas.

It may be interesting to see how revolutionary governments deal with traditional sporting bodies that had been owned largely by the bourgeoisie.

>>75375841
>No Hartford

I love seeing Whalers fans get butthurt

>>75376711
mlb in NC would be cash

>>75376711
The MLB should probably expand to Charlotte. Raleigh isn't a good option because the Bulls dominate the market in the Triangle. Really big market in Charlotte/general Carolina area that everyone has been passing up

>>75384406
And Portland?

>>75378224
Only Mexico City could reasonably have one. Havana doesn't have the infrastructure and the DR + Puerto Rico don't have cities even close to big enough. So it would never work.

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>>75384469
>Havana doesn't have the infrastructure
The only infrastructure it doesn't have is the capitalist superstructure

>>75383501
>Caracas
>Venezuela
>Communist
>Everyone is fucking piss poor and starving
Dear god I hope that was sarcastic

>>75375841
>muh relocation
reddit pls go

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>>75384653
okay at this point is anything we don't like just called "reddit" now? insults lose meaning when you overuse them

tl;dr kys

>>75384440
Portland is definitely not big enough in terms of the city. Charlotte has a larger population in the city and metro area (though a smaller urban area, but this could be due to differences in measurement of what is and isn't urban), and if Charlotte isn't considered a big enough location to expand to with the other large Carolina populations it influences, then Portland certainly isn't. A team in Charlotte could potentially reach out to around 14 million people in the Carolina's. A team in Portland could only reach potentially 4.1 million people, if you just go by the state of Oregon's population.

>Amerelocates

>>75385002
>insults lose meaning when you overuse them
Problem with the word meme

>>75375841
Las Vegas on the rise eat a dick Cali fags

>>75376075
Broski Las Vegas is completely run on AC. The enviormental affect will be the same as it always has. Another thing is we have very efficient AC units in the recent years and the pollution from them is not high at all

>>75384440
Portland is the city where baseball is least popular to my knowledge. They are between two very popular teams (Mariners and Giants) and are absolutely never going to get a team.

>>75385319
Las Vegas is a Cali outpost, we go there on weekends to do drugs and gamble

>>75376943
First it was the mormons are crazy they're going to build a city in the desert! Then it was these cowboys are crazy building a casino in the desert! Then it was politicians you can't build the biggest damn in the desert!

Notice a pattern?

>>75384596
They couldn't even play that game down there at night
Everyone is still poor af

>>75385774
Like we don't know that already.
Thanks for that by the way. You pay our wages, taxes, and soon our brand new stadium.

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Reno is the good city in Nevada. Las Vegas is nothing a big, debauched hotel complex. I get that people live there year-round in the city proper, but they're living on the outskirts of a shithole.

>>75384469
>the DR + Puerto Rico don't have cities even close to big enough.

is this a joke?

Santo Domingo (Dominican capital)
2.9 million person metro

San Juan (Puerto Rican capital)
2.35 million in metro

Both are bigger than Milwaukee or Cincinnati, and around the level of St. Louis, Pittsburgh, and Kansas City

not to mention you'd be targeting a national market in baseball-crazy countries

>>75386312
Reno is the biggest little shithole on earth and everyone knows it. Las Vegas doesn't have outskirts you retard. It's literally one big city comprimised of 3 or 4 cities in the middle of nowhere. The only outskirts are ours stops to Cali or Utah

>>75376075
>LA (and the rest of California, for that matter) has enough big teams.

California is about as big as the whole Mid-Atlantic and New England combined. With two teams in LA the coasts are actually about even now.

>>75375841
I like it because there has been little activity since the early 2000s, which I was too young to experience, with exception to a few relocations along the way.

>>75376075
The Coyotes should have been moved to Vegas as the guinea pig. The expansion team(s) should have been awarded to Seattle and Quebec.

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>relocation
Nice "sport culture" you've got there Amerifats

>>75376075
we all know that LA should have the Raiders, San Antonio the Rams and Vegas the Chargers. Because, yes, SA and the Alamo Dome deserves more than a WWE event every three years (even if the Spurs is the Patriots of NBA).

But the best move ever would be the end of the CFL and 8 canadian NFL teams instead. CFL is a joke and Canada deserves some good football. We would have 40 NFL teams, not too much for all the talents NA can produce.

>>75387147
Only 1 market in Canada is big enough

>>75376609
To work, the relocation of the Rams needs only one thing : success on the field. LA is full of elitists who can't engage themselves of being fans of a non-elite team. Send Jared Goff to the playoffs three years in a row and you know that all the metropolis will wear blue and gold stuff for ten years.

This is why the Clippers is not very popular there, even if they have a better record than the Lakers for several seasons. Even if the Lakers are on their worst period, they've won rings. And Kobe.

Here, in Paris, we have the same phenomenon, and our soccer team, PSG, which exists only since the '70 and even if it wasn't the best, was winning cups every two or three years, and had a lot of fans very quickly because of that. Another team tried but failed hard to get fans because of the lack of trophies.

>>75387147
I was super behind San Antonio getting either the Rams or the Raiders.

>>75377358
>based Whale

>>75387346
You can have four markets at least : Toronto for Ontario, Montréal for Québec, Vancouver for BC and Winnipeg or Calgary for the ROC.

But yes, you can consider that BC has the Seahawks, Ontario has the Bills and Alberta/Sask'/Manitoba has the Vikings.

>>75387980
No
Also even if they were big enough they're Canadians
They don't deserve our sports

>>75376195
Hartford a shit and has been shit

>>75387980
Do you realize how few people are in Canada? They could support 2 teams max due to low, spread out population.

>>75375841
>MLB team
>in Cuba
Nigger they don't even allow their players to move here legally and you think their faggot commie regime is going to let us establish a MLB team there?

>>75386964
>>75385151
>>75384653
Also these. Relocating is gravely frowned upon in real sports with real history like baseball or soccer. Not so much in the NFL which is a shitty Jew cartel running plastic franchises with plastic fanbases full of bandwagoners and where it's deemed acceptable to move a team to the other side of the country simply because there's move TV money there. NFL is beyond cancerous at this point.

>>75387147
>San Beantonio DESERVES a team because they have a stadium
Fuck off.

>>75388122
They're our Wales, we have to give them a couple teams in our league so they aren't completely forgotten.

>>75386964
We are discussing expansion besides the Las Vegas situation and NHL team in a fucking desert

>>75389959
>us
They're like Soviet Communists, the Owner would be the people (government) of Cuba.

>>75390045
Las Vegas is the most idiotic place to have a team in.

>literally Disneyland: the city
>everyone living there is a transplant
>no sports culture whatsoever

>>75390081
The owner is the MLB. This us what people, including Americans themselves, don't understand about American sports. In Yurop a soccer team is basically an independent entity that's just a member of the local football association, but in America the league owns and operates the teams, it's a cartel. The employer of Tom Brady isn't the New England Patriots, his employer is the NFL.

>>75387147
>CFL's far superior and more exciting game getting changed to the boring rules of NFL.
>CFL's normal length games getting doubled due to endless commercials.
No thanks.

>>75390122
>no culture whatsoever

Ftfy

>>75389709
you right... but still blz

>>75390237
Yeah, but if you're gonna play in Cuba, you're gonna have to play by their rules.

They have shown for 55 years that they're not gonna be America or any American institution's bitch.

>>75391045
Then why the fuck would/should they get a team?

>>75390020
They have a population of 35 million

>>75391140
They shouldn't, unless capitalism falls in which case they'll get a team just cause they did it first.

>>75391615
In a country that's a bit bigger than the United States in size

>>75391692
90% of the population is pretty small area

>>75387509
sadly it does not work like that here in LA

our most popular team is the dodgers

this is indisputable , serious sport fans in LA love and adore the dodgers. Lakers are the team for the transplant and they quickly buy tickets enough to block out actual fans.

Kings have serious fans

Raiders had serious fans because they were a popular team in california alongside the niners throughout the 80s and 90s. That is why they have held a better attendance record than the rams from day one until the final day.

If the rams want to LA market they need to be good , fun , memorable and part of the community

Dodgers and Kings hold special programs for city and inland kids while lakers have some promotions with burger joints and few schools

rams only had like 3 park visits or something and haven't done shit since

when the raiders were here they invented the entire "be part of the community" shit for the NFL in oakland and brought it to LA they were loved from day one

not even a raider fan but when your team members are seen around the streets socializing with the common person they'll gain respect

>Relocating is gravely frowned upon in real sports with real history like baseball or soccer. Not so much in the NFL which is a shitty Jew cartel running plastic franchises with plastic fanbases full of bandwagoners and where it's deemed acceptable to move a team to the other side of the country simply because there's move TV money there.

Anon, I'm a baseball fan. Like it's my favorite sport, but baseballs early history is riddled with tons of moves. Cut the NFL some break if you're comparing it to baseball.

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Fuck this shitty arena
It's why we don't have the sonics or the Metropolitans

>>75375841
Arizona should relocate to North Dakota.
Its actually a white state whose favorite sport is ice hockey.
>quebuec needs a team!
why? last time I checked Montreal was in Quebec. Two teams there is redundant from a market standpoint.

>>75375841
>Arizona Coyotes relocating when.

Coyotes fan who lives in Phoenix.

They have nowhere to go. Sharing an arena with ASU would have been huge, but ASU backed out. Unless one of the casinos become interested, that was their last chance to stay in the valley.

>>75393398
They'll move to Seattle

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>>75393470
Once this mothafucka get's renovated, in 2-3 years. Because KeyArena is hosting a couple march madness games in 2019, then it will be time.

>>75376123
This. But Monterrey or Guadalajara would be more fun

>>75392705
North Dakota fans all drive to st paul. Honestly, they make up a good 10% of the home fans

>>75376314
kansas city to kansas city.

NBA to Shitsburgh when?

>>75390122
>>75390275

1991 NCAA basketball championship
Holmes vs. Ali
Delahoya vs. Maywether
Delahoya vs. Trinidad
Maywether vs. Paquiao
The motherfucking bite fight
Host to th PAC,WCC, WAC, MWC basketball conference tournaments
PGA tour Shriners hospital for children open
PGA tour championships
Adam Scott, Chris Riley, Ryan Moore
NASCAR cup series
Kurt and Kyle Busch
Home to the UFC
Home to th PBR national rodeo finals
Home to the professional bull riders world finals
USA Sevens, the largest annual rugby tournament in North America
Literally being able to walk to a casino, put in a bet in on any game in any relevant American sport.
Larry Johnson, Randall Cunningham, Cecil Fielder, Stacey Augmon, Greg Anthony(owes my pops $) , Shawn Marion, Reggie Theus, and last and certainly least, Anthony Bennet.

>>75395160
Also Andre Aggasi, Bryce Harper, Kris Bryant, Michael Blazek, Gina Carano, Spencer Clark, Baron Davis, Ricky Davis, Sammy Davis Jr., Brendan Gaughan, Frank Mir(awesome guy), Demarco Murray, and Barry Ziti might all disagree

>>75395160
>>75395348
Shut up you fucking nerd

>>75395073
>the ultimate bandwagon city gets the ultimate bandwagon sport

>>75387509
>Another team tried but failed hard to get fans because of the lack of trophies.
Which team?

>>75392184
As much as I hate the NFL, what they're doing now is akin to what the MLB did in the 50's. The only reason MLB expanded in the 60's was that the was almost a 3rd major league formed.

>>75399275
A Western league would've been cool desu

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>all the relocations are on the west coast or in Canada

fuck LA

no city needs two fucking teams in the same sport league when there's entire STATES that don't have a team

NHL needs more Canadian teams
at least 1 per province
I mean it's their game after all

Which will have a team in Mexico City first:

>NFL
>MLB
>NBA
>NHL
>MLS Merge

>>75400741
what sports are most popular in Mehico?

assuming soccer

>>75400741
none

>>75400773
NFL. It really is mainstream in the cities. Around 30 millions fans in the country have a NFL team. We even have a Profesional Broadcasted League and College football is a thing.
After that, Baseball probably.

>>75400794
You and I well know that is a matter of time. I'm asking which will be first one to play at 2600mts of altitude

>>75400804
sort of off topic but are there a lot of Mexican race fans? IndyCar/NASCAR fans?

>>75400898
Not really, just a few here and there. Rich guys thing mostly. And ofcourse, the popular bandwagon on Perez in the F1

>>75400924
do they care about Fernando Alonso skipping Monaco GP to race the Indy 500?

>>75400958
Nah. The only time we care about racing is when there is a event here like the GP. Just a niche part of fans actually follow the F1 or Nascar

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>>75375841
Sonics fan here

at this point, I doubt Seattle will get a new NBA or NHL franchise for at least another decade

We have a crazy investment banker that is willing to not only 100% privately fund a new arena in an arena zoned section of the city in Sodo, he's willing to help fund other construction projects for the city. Oh, and he's already fucking spent $200 million just for the property. He's willing to spend 1.5 billion total to get a team and build an arena. All because he loved the Sonics as a kid. He also has the Nordstrom's, Wally Walker, and Russell Wilson on board too.

But the city council and mayor don't want that, they want to remodel Key Arena because the city owns it and can profit of it. Key Arena is the reason the Sonics moved. not the fans, not the ticket sales. it was the arena. it's in a shit location with no parking and no quick access to a freeway. It's also the smallest arena in the league and no remodel will make it NBA or NHL ready. The two proposal bids to remodel the Key don't even mention the Sonics, and the remodel wouldn't begin until fucking 2019.

The city is so fucking committed to the key arena, even though no one wants it, not the NBA, NHL, or the fans, they gave $50,000 to a PR firm to advertise for Key Arena.

frankly, the way the city has acted, we don't deserve a team. The City Council voided the team's 30 year lease for $30 million directly from Clay Bennett's pocket back in 2008, they voted down the original street vacation for the Sodo arena, why the fuck would they want to actually do good for the people when they can just build giant tunnels and let Amazon take over the city?

fuck Ed Murray, fuck the Council, fuck Howard Schultz.

>>75400981
Ya veo. Muchas gracias!

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>>75401015
You are welcome

I want a meme NHL Franchise

>>75401064
does any kids play hockey there
anywhere high altitude enough to get snow and ice?

I like NHL too so more teams always better

>>75401084
Weirdly, kids play hockey. There isn't a place were we get enough snow so it's only on artificial places. In Mexico City there must be like 10 or 12 Ice Skate floors and like 6 of them at least have a Hockey team.
I know there is a small league and I think some years ago the youth NT went to a World Cup or something. But as you can't figure, isn't a big thing. It's on the tier of Table Tennis and Cricket

>>75375841
The NBA shouldn't expand just yet, there isn't enough talent and the parity is shit. The league is in the process of moving towards high volume 3-point shooting but there isn't enough shooting talent to go around just yet. Wait for a few more years so we can get some more solid meme-ballers and then we can have 32 teams.

>>75401134
haha.

even ping pong is bigger than cricket in Estados Unidos. There's a lot of ignorant people who don't even know there is another sport played with a bat besides baseball. I wish people would know more about what's going down in other places besides murica

>>75401209
Well, it seems now that I google it a little, that is a bigger thing than I thought. There is a semi-pro league and the Mexico NT is the only Latinamerica team that always compete in the World Cup (In a lower tier thought). But it seems shit is getting bigger.

>>75401268
yeah, I'm sure there is a niche group of people in every country into any random sport even if it isn't widely popular in that country. but for a big league in that sport to expand there, there has to be enough of a fan base so the league and the franchises can get that money

sadly everything comes down to money

>>75401309
that's why LA is getting two NFL teams. money. my buddy at work moved here (Minnesota) from San Diego and has been a Chargers fan all his life. he's pretty pissed off about them moving to LA.

I know it's about money in the end, but part of making money is being loyal to the fans that have been loyal to you by giving you their money

Montreal here, fuck the expos and boreball, I hope we get the Nordiques back

>>75401476
Nordiques would be awesome
they should have never went away

I'd like to see more Canadian teams in general, I'm not too proud to admit that you guys are the masters. I just like watching good hockey.

>>75375841
Bring back Montreal Elbows

>>75401511
>more Canadian teams
In what, an American National League? Fat chance

>>75375841
>>Rams to LA
You mean Rams to St. Louis? LA was them returning back home.

>>75401536
well if you got more NHL teams then it would be your league and we are guests

there's way too many American teams.fuck do hot places like Texas and Florida have hockey teams when the Stanley Cup is a Canadian trophy and the entire game was invented in Canada?

>expansion
>relocation
what about realignment

I always love when serious college conference realignment talks pop up again, gets me excited for shit about to go down. I try to research ahead of time so that I can see them coming.

>>75401567
hell most of the players on "American" NHL teams are Canadians, Scandinavians, Russians, etc.

NHL expansion to Europe when?
all cold places should be in the league

>>75384596
>That grass
>That infield
Commies need not apply

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So what's going to happen to the A's and Rays?

they both have shit attendance and have the two worst stadiums in the MLB and it isn't even close.

The Rays seem like a natural fit for Montreal. It would give Toronto a worthy rival and it would give the AL East an easier flight schedule.

But then, what happens to the A's? besides the untested market of Vegas, there are no real other alternatives in the West. Portland would be cool, but is too small. Other California cities like San Jose have already rejected the team, and Oakland clearly won't get their shit together considering that the Raiders and Warriors are already one foot out the door.

>>75401646
>hell most of the players on "American" NHL teams are Canadians, Scandinavians, Russians, etc.

Except
More Americans play hockey than any other European country.

>all cold places should be in the league

This would be financial suicide, not to mention the Stanley Cup playoffs are played in the SPRING.

>>75401765
Hongcouver because why not

>>75401944
the idea of having 3 leaf teams makes me want to vomit, but it realistically is a good choice. Considering 10-15k Canadians cross the border to see the Blue Jays play the Mariners every year. there may be a market there.

Not sure why MLB hasn't expanded to 32 teams yet

>>75400656
All the relevant provinces have teams already.

>>75402086
probably because it would cause a massive division realignment and would alter the current playoff structure.

they couldn't do two 6 team divisions, nor would they get rid of divisions and just have the two leagues. They would go NFL style and split the central into north and south divisions.

I think they want to hold off on realignment and expansion until all stadium situations get solved. so once the DBacks, Rangers, A's, and Rays get situated, then expansion will most likely happen

>>75401869
that's because there are more Americans. of course more are gonna play hockey. 1 US state is the size of an entire European country. but if you don't know winter you don't know hockey. hot places can start a roller hockey league. leave the ice to the professionals.

>you merely adopted the ice, I was born in it, molded by it

>>75402120
New Brunswick needs a team

Stan Kroenke is a piece of shit.

>>75402201
No, they don't

>>75402298
why do you hate your own countrymen

>>75401013
>not the fans, not the ticket sales.
they were lowest in attendance for years you liar

>>75402322
I don't. NB doesn't have a city that can support an NHL franchise. Halifax is a more likely location.

>>75402378
there you go
what would be a good name for a Nova Scotian team?

>>75400773
lucha libre

>>75402484
>>>/asp/

>>75401765
baseball is big in tennessee so if one of then moves theyll be coming to nashville

>>75377452
>entire goal of Dominican baseball players is to get off the Island
>put an MLB team on the Island
Top kek

>>75375841
Can someone explain the idea of moving teams to another city? It seems really bizarre for me but I realize that's probably because it's an American thing. Is it because people don't have a team near them so they move to an open market? Is it common to support a team not from your city/area?

>>75402233
t. Butthurt flatlander

Enjoy your meth... I'm sure you will

>>75402396
The Halifax Scotsmen or some shit

>>75402650
Americans move and the teams follow.

IMO I think each league works well with 32 teams. MLB and NFL with 2 Leagues each with 4 divisions with 4 teams. While the NHL and NBA have 2 conferences with 2 divisions of 8 teams.

MLB
Vancouver expansion
Portland expansion
Tampa gets relocated to Montreal
Colorado gets relocated to Charlotte

NHL
Florida gets relocated to Kansas City
Arizona gets relocated to Quebec City
Seattle expansion

>>75402650
sports franchises are big business and the owners and shareholders have no loyalty to the fans whatsoever, all they care about is money.

and if they think they can make more money somewhere else, fuck the fans, we're moving

>>75402364
they were not the lowest, that's fake news my friend.

They still had low attendance in the 2000's, but that was mainly do to the shitty product. in 2007 and 2008, things flatlined because people knew the team was going to relocate, but they still never hit 30th.

During the Sonics last season.

>>75403255
*During the Sonics last season, the Grizzlies and Pacers had lower attendance despite having bigger arenas.

>>75401511
You realize Canadian teams arw under much more pressure and usually suffer from bad management as a result.

American NHL teams are much better for that very reason. Americans are patient enough to let their teams build up properly because they have other sports to care about in the mean time.

>>75402874
>trying to take Rockies away
>they are top 10 attendance even when they are terrible.
>wanting to put them in a shit Market like Carolina.
You are a memeing faggot. Rockies are not in need of a relocation.

If anyone is its the Marlins.

>>75403307
pressure is no excuse for bad management

>>75375841
the next logical step for mlb is expand in Canada or make a Mexican team.