>3 at the back

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>False 9

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>3-5-2 with double man marking, switching full backs and early balls in behind the opposition high line

>>75301772
>Repeatedly pointing to AON

what was his intention by this?

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These are the shittiest, most uninspired, unfunny threads /sp/ ever produces and that takes some fucking doing. This is literally the exact same thread every single time with no variation. Fuck off.

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>These are the shittiest, most uninspired, unfunny threads /sp/ ever produces and that takes some fucking doing. This is literally the exact same thread every single time with no variation. Fuck off.

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>marauding fullback

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>inverted wingers

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>indirect freekick in the penalty area

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>short pass from a corner

>>75301796
woodward wants a bigger sponsorship deal

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>enganche
>inside forward
>deep-lying playmaker

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>Corner specialist

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>wide playmaker

>>75306456
>enganche
Are you complaining about the word or the position?
>if the position, time to off yourself desu

>>75301901
Is that a fake Lacoste?

These are the shittiest, most uninspired, unfunny threads /sp/ ever produces and that takes some fucking doing. This is literally the exact same thread every single time with no variation. Fuck off.

These are the shittiest, most uninspired, unfunny threads /sp/ ever produces and that takes some fucking doing. This is literally the exact same thread every single time with no variation. Fuck off.

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>>75307602
>These are the shittiest, most uninspired, unfunny threads /sp/ ever produces and that takes some fucking doing. This is literally the exact same thread every single time with no variation. Fuck off.

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>Attacking midfielder

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>Two DMs

>>75307582
The number of people who just replied ">tips fedora" proves the funny and addictive nature of this board desu

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>Throw in specialist

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>Sweeper keeper

these threads are awful

>>75306370 This. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>Quick free-kick in the final third

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>1 man kick-offs

>>75301817
>>75301901
>>75307582
>>75307602
I'm fucking done with this place. This isn't discussion. There might as well be one person in this thread. You're all just saying the same shit anyway.

I'm fucking done with this place. This isn't discussion. There might as well be one person in this thread. You're all just saying the same shit anyway.

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>1 man wall

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>I'm fucking done with this place. This isn't discussion. There might as well be one person in this thread. You're all just saying the same shit anyway.

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>2-3-5 Danubian School

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>These are the shittiest, most uninspired, unfunny threads /sp/ ever produces and that takes some fucking doing. This is literally the exact same thread every single time with no variation. Fuck off.
>I'm fucking done with this place. This isn't discussion. There might as well be one person in this thread. You're all just saying the same shit anyway.

I'm not sure that "3 at the back" is really a huge innovation. It's really just a matter of playing 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 and telling a defensive midfielder to hang back. Guardiola did it with Barca (Busquets and sometimes Mascherano). It's also essentially the way that Pochettino played with Spurs last season (his defensive mid, Dier, is a natural CB).

It's not a fedora-tier move or even some kind of magic innovation. Honestly, it's entirely down to the way that the media decides to explain things. If Sky Sports decided to claim that Tottenham was still using 4-2-3-1, or Chelsea was using 4-3-3, nobody would really be able to tell the difference. Formations are a meme.

>>75309004
Guardiola made 4-3-3 popular in 2009

>>75309124
Mourinho won the Premier League with 4-3-3 in 2005. And it was popular long before then, thanks to Barcelona in the 90s (where Mourinho was an assistant coach).

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>I'm not sure that "3 at the back" is really a huge innovation. It's really just a matter of playing 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 and telling a defensive midfielder to hang back. Guardiola did it with Barca (Busquets and sometimes Mascherano). It's also essentially the way that Pochettino played with Spurs last season (his defensive mid, Dier, is a natural CB).
>It's not a fedora-tier move or even some kind of magic innovation. Honestly, it's entirely down to the way that the media decides to explain things. If Sky Sports decided to claim that Tottenham was still using 4-2-3-1, or Chelsea was using 4-3-3, nobody would really be able to tell the difference. Formations are a meme.

>>75309264
>it was popular long before then
Let me rephrase, Guardiola made 4-3-3 popular again in 2009.

>Mourinho won the Premier League with 4-3-3 in 2005
That was more of a 4-5-1 than 4-3-3

>>75309278
Fergie won the CL playing 4-3-3 in 2008. Although it was a counter attacking team unlike Guardiola's and wasn't nearly as rigid.

>>75309264
Mourinho's first Chelsea stint was with a 4-1-2-1-2 diamond

>>75309004
>>75309124
>>75309264
>>75309278
>Americans

>>75309370
>Fergie won the CL playing 4-3-3 in 2008.

I disagree:

--- Rooney --- Tevez -----

Giggs -- Scholes ---- Carrick --- Ronaldo

Evra --- Vidic--- Rio----Neville

----Van Der Sar----

>>75309427
I'm not American but cheers for the free (you)'s

>>75309427
>>75309385
>this flag
>this topic

It was 4-3-3. Quote from Mourinho:

>‘Look, if I have a triangle in midfield – Claude Makelele behind and two others just in front – I will always have an advantage against a pure 4-4-2 where the central midfielders are side by side. That’s because I will always have an extra man. It starts with Makelele, who is between the lines. If nobody comes to him he can see the whole pitch and has time. If he gets closed down it means one of the two other central midfielders is open. If they are closed down and the other team’s wingers come inside to help, it means there is space now for us on the flank, either for our own wingers or for our full-backs. There is nothing a pure 4-4-2 can do to stop things’.

It's ok that you don't understand this sport, your country is clearly irrelevant at it.

>>75309124
lolno

4-3-3 was always a classic like 4-4-2

>>75309480
Which other teams were using 4-3-3 in the 00's?

>>75309497
any offensive team

>>75308450
see you in /r/soccer :^)

>>75309475
There's no need to have such a chip on your shoulder

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>>75309497
pic

>>75309475
He alternated between the 433 and 442 diamond you utter spaz.

>>75309497
Mourinho's Porto
Mourinho's Chelsea
Any Barca team
Arguably Ancelotti's Milan (I know they called it "4-3-2-1", but that's essentially the same as 4-3-3)

It's been a popular formation for a very long time. Guardiola deserves a lot of credit for his work with Barca, but let's not pretend that he brought back the 4-3-3 formation.

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>>75301681

>This is what passes as a meme in reddit /sp/

And to think this was the most prolific board back in the day. How the mighty have fallen.

>>75309544
Yes, he did. But the guy I was replying to claimed he just used a "4-1-2-1-2 diamond" which isn't true.

>>75309549
I said he popularized it. 4 teams out of hundreds using 4-3-3 isn't popular.

>>75309542
That's 4-1-2-1-2 my friend

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>>75309556
>This is what passes as a meme in reddit /sp/ And to think this was the most prolific board back in the day. How the mighty have fallen.

>>75309458
It seems it's retarded American hours.

In the PL Fergie would play the classic 442. In Europe he played a 433. Using Rooney on the left because of his willingness to work and always packing the midfield with runners to do the work for Scholes. In 2008 and 2009, Ronaldo spent a lot of European fixtures upfront as the CF. In the 2008 final he alternated to the left a lot to take advantage of Essien at right back.

>2008 Final line up
Ronaldo____Tevez____Rooney
__Scholes_Carrick_Hargreaves
Evra_Ferdinand_Vidic__Brown
_________Van der Sar

2009 Final line up
Rooney____Ronaldo____Park
___Giggs__Carrick__Anderson
Evra_Ferdinand_Vidic__O'Shea
_________Van der Sar

>>75309733
>some of those players were in a CL final

fergie was a real mad man.

>>75309497
All of them, retard. Did you start watching football in 2009? Did you think 433 was some fabled formation that hadn't been used since Cruyff until Pep The Great dusted off the holy texts in the Barca archives and rediscovered it?

LMAO.

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>>75309733
>It seems it's retarded American hours
Calm down little guy.

> In 2008 and 2009, Ronaldo spent a lot of European fixtures upfront as the CF.

In 2008 Ronaldo was a winger, he became a CF in 2009. Rooney and Tevez were still the main strikers.

> In the 2008 final he alternated to the left a lot to take advantage of Essien at right back.
Yeah cause he was still a winger.

This was the official formation for the 2008 CL final which is what was being discussed.

>>75309822
yeah, i remember when 433 was getting popular in the mid 2000s and making 442 irrelevant, then that 4231 shit became en vogue.

>>75309822
>All of them, retard.
>Literally doesn't name any

You see it's stupidity like this that makes discussing anything seriously on 4chan a complete and total waste of time. Fedora posting is a much better use of time.

> Did you think 433 was some fabled formation that hadn't been used since Cruyff until Pep The Great dusted off the holy texts in the Barca archives and rediscovered it?

No I didn't, but I can't be faulted for you having sub-par comprehension skills. Almost every other team was playing with 2 strikers back then, but keep being a moron I guess.

>>75309612
There were more teams using 4-3-3, I just named the most well-known ones...

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>>75309612
Mate, fucking Rijkaard was using it the year before before Pep turned up. Pep wasn't praised for his formation at Barca (that virtually every big team played a variation of at times during games). It the the philosophy of the high line, winning the ball up the pitch and quick interplay which earned him adulation. Formations aren't that important.

>>75309815
Fletcher being unavailable for the 2009 final was a real blow. He wouldn't have changed the outcome but it would have been closer.

>>75309612
Guardiola didn't popularize it. Luis Enrique, Mourinho, Guardiola, and Van Gaal were all involved with Barca in the 1990s. As managers, they all eventually used the 4-3-3. You want to imagine why that is?

>>75310033
So you're saying more teams aren't using 4-3-3 now compared to 10 years ago?

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>>75309894
Barca were playing it under Rijkaard. Chelsea played it often under Mou. Pic related is Monaco playing it. Arsenal played variations of it. Man Utd played it.

>>75310055
>gets BTFO
>changes argument

>>75310131
Nowhere was I "BTFO" cause I'm still saying the same thing I said in my first post.

>>75310093
>Arsenal played variations of it.
When they still had Henry and Van Persie?