I'm so sick of them.

>>75192339
and this is why Barcelona got so popular once upon a time

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>>75192339
We would have taken care of them

TSUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

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>>75192339

well they are preferable to buyern, there's that

CAN'T
STOP
WINNING

>>75192339
Leave them to Monaco

>>75192792
Hell no they aren't.

Real and Barcelona are the two most evil clubs in the world.

>>75192792
Only Barcelona is not preferable to Bayern desu

Bayern are the epitome of choking. German mental strength is a fucking myth. Against Porto in 1987, against Man Utd in 1999, against Chelsea in 2012, it's just unbelievable how much they choke under pressure or in big matches. And I'm leaving out other embarrassing losses. I'm done supporting them, they're mental midgets of the worst kind. How do you miss a fucking penalty when you're 1-0 up at this stage of the competition? The moment the ball flew over the goal I knew they'd lost the match. It's so predictable.

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>>75192339
ayy all these mediocre football fans

i hate them so fucking much

>>75192374
This.

Barca is the lesser of two evils.
Fucking real always get their way. It's crazy. Lucky goals. Other teams missing penalties against them. Players sent off. Etc.


They can't keep getting away with it!!!

OFFICIAL CL TEAMS LIKEABILITY POWER RANKINGS

1. LEICESTER
2. MONACO
3. DORTMUND
4. JUVENTUS
5. ATLETICO MADRID

POWER GAP

9001. BAYERN MUNICH
9002. REAL MADRID

POWER GAP

9000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001. UEFALONA

>>75192998
>Vidal
>German
there's youre problem

>>75193037
this

>>75193037
I'm okay with this if you switch monaco and dortmund

>>75192998
"german"

>neuer
>muller
>lahm

thats it

>>75192998
Nobody can slay the evil dragon. Real Madrid are the exact opposite. Probably the luckiest team in history (you can't win 11 out of 12 CL finals without luck) but certainly clutch when it matters. At least the match didn't end with a 90' Sergio Ramos goal. There's that.

>>75193037
this

>>75192339
of course you are since you're the pakilona bandwagonner

>>75192374
>>75192339
>>75192991
>>75193033

>farca apologists

Real is literally the lesser evil, not even mentioning they have better memes and likeable players unlike uefalona

>>75192339
REFBALL MADRID

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>>75193037
>uefalona
>real won way more CL titles thanks to reffing

I can't believe Real are going to vulture another CL. When I was a kid they had been a non-factor since the 60's and now they've won 5 with another one to come soon. WHY DOES NOBODY STOP THIS?

>>75192998
At least they're not actual midgets like you are the rest of Iberian kind.

>>75193089
underage detected

>>75193075
>who is Boateng

>>75193037
Swap Atleti with Monaco and we're even.

>>75193033
>Barca is the lesser of two evils

LOL
O
L

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

get that delusion out of here faggot

>>75193246
>

>>75193216
>2017
>country of 64 million people
>european and world power
>haven't won a WC since 1966 refball win
>haven't even come close to winning a Euro as one of the three most powerful countries in the continent.

kek.

>>75193281
they are refball babbies too

Childhood is idolizing Barca/Real. Adulthood is realizing both are fucking cancer.

>>75193243
literally only underage people are for barca though. people who are for real are the ones who were kids at the turn of the century when they dominated the CL. then ronaldinho/messi era kiddies came along with muh barca.

>>75193216
Iberians are the same height or taller than anglos

>>75193316
/thread

>>75192339
There's no other way we have to kill them.

if you prefer Bauern and/or Uefalona over based Real you need to get your head checked

>>75193323
>not being a contrarian when you were a kid, growing up tired of real madrid winning

>>75193246
>(You)

>>75193301
>country of 64 million people
No.

>>75193316
This. Well said. They are both scum.

>>75192339
why?

>>75193033
>tf
reaching leaf-levels of delusion there ehh

>>75193372
True, it's 65 million now. Hard to keep up with all the mudslime breeding and/or coming in.

؜ >>75192339
True

>>75193350
being le edgy contrarian kid is an internet only thing, i was talking generally

If Juventus don't win this CL I'm done watching European football. Can't stand Real Madrid vulturing another one.

>>75193411
>65 million
No.

>>75193433
I want some of lesser teams to win, but let's be honest they got no chance, I don't like Juve much, but they are lesser evil in this case for sure.

>>75192792
not really

bayern are bad guys, but playing against Real Madrid they are more like anti-heroes

>>75193466
http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/uk-population/

And if what you mean is that you're not British, then don't presume I'm Portuguese because of the flag either.

>>75193486
this.

>>75193489
>that link
>relevant

>>75193489
The UK isn't a team, my brown eyed moorish amigo.

>>75193473
luck is bound to balance out at some point. it's very unusual to repeatedly favour only one side, as it has been the case with RM. they will slip eventually, I refuse to believe that they can win another one in such a short amount of time, we're not in the 60's ffs.

>>75193540
>calling others brown eyed
>see a picture of the "english" national team
kek my lad

>>75193155
You should be happy faggot

>>75193544
this luck is still with them though, I honestly believe they will win it this year again. dark times ahead

>>75193540
maybe it should. it certainly isn't working right now.

>>75193033
>Barca are the lesser of two evils
GTFO Catalonian apologist scum

>>75193569
t. Sergio Busquets lookalike

>>75193570
why tho?

>>75193433
>If JuvewinsandbuysoffSerieAlol doesnt win

Kys

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>>75192339
>LEPL fags buttblastered once more
More news at 11

>>75193061
I thought chileans have a
>WE WUZ PRUSSIANZ N SHIET
mentality

>>75193622
Rather that than Franco-loving, metrosexual Refbal Madrid.

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>>75193667
Franco is love. Franco is life

>>75193667
Franco was Atletico fan, dumb shit.

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>>75193037
>JUVENTUS
>Likeable

>>75193323
Ronaldo played for Barca first, just saying.

>>75193343
Thanks!

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>>75193433
>Wanting match fixing scumbags Juventus to win

>>75193660
Vidal probably doesn't even know what ''Prussia'' is

>>75193703
"Franco-loving" doesn't mean what you think it means, fondue tits. The right wing love Franco and the same right wing tend to also love RM.

>>75193089
Real is not even evil, it's just the way they buy players and then toss them like garbage all the time which I hate which is more Perez' fault more than anything(also hate CR7 but that's another discussion)

But that has changed a bit recently
As a Milan fan they've always been and are a rival worthy of respect

Anyone who doesn't think Madrid is a respectable club is an underage faggot UEFAlona kiddie who doesn't remember football before 2006

>>75193784
>Wanting RM to win 40 CL in our lifetime.
>Wanting the death of football.

>>75192339
OF COURSE YOU RE, BEACAUSE YOU RE BRIT FISH =D

؜ >>75193037
Pretty much this desu

>>75192984
haha is so cute

>>75193851
Death of football is buying an entire league and killing any semblance of competition. Madrid is just more talented than any other team right now and they deserve to win

>>75193823
They were respectful in the 60's. From 1998 onwards they've either been lucky or their opponents have just choked and given them the trophy. The only final they actually deserved to win was against Leverkusen. I'm actually angry as hell with AC Milan, there was a point where I thought they could catch up with RM, but now they've just let them speed away with 11 CL trophies. Soon they'll double AC Milan's total and it'll be a fucking disgrace. Nobody's doing anything to stop this, it's pathetic. This is supposed to be the most competitive event in football.

AHAHAHA FUCKING LOSERS

>>75193433
>Ladri winning CL
LOL

>>75193473
>Juve
>lesser evil
They're the only club in the competition who have been cheating scum for more than a century

>>75193037
>monaco higher than dortmund
Makes u think dont it

I'm done with Spanish Clubs in general, used to like seeing Atletico perform well, same with Barca back in the day and before that Real even. Jut grown tired of them, rather see Dortmund or Monaco take one home.

>>75193919
>most competitive event in football
>it's literally Barca, Bayern, Atletico, Real and meme token team every fucking year nowadays

Can't wait for Chelsea to come back

>>75193893
They're not buying the league now and they're winning it. It's AC Milan's disgraceful decline that has destroyed Italian football and thus European football. Now Real Madrid only have to cruise through the group stages, beat their pigeons Bayern or Atletico and keep adding to the trophy cabinet.

>>75193037
Put Juventus in the 100s and you're good.

Why didn't you stop them, /sp/?

>>75193970
Correction: who have been caught cheating. The ones who cheat better (and the most) aren't usually caught. That's why "crime pays", because most get away with it.

>implying a club with RM's influence has never cheated and would never cheat.

it's literally like believing the US has never toppled legitimate governments and substituted them with their puppets.

>>75193722
Albaniaaaaaaa

>>75193919
So to you they were a respectable team when they were not winning European Cups?
That doesn't make any sense

Really?
I'd rather a team win it by luck than by cheating like UEFAlona
Nobody complains about Man U winning it in 1999 by luck in the dying minutes or Ajax winning it in '95 in a similar way
To me as long as you win it without cheating you deserve it

And how the hell do you say they deserved to win 2002 but not 2000 final which they won by 3-0 and against a much better team? Not forgetting masterclass performances like Redondo vs Man U which was one of the best CL performances I've seen

>Milan
We've been mismanaged for years...hopefully the chink buyers are real

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What's a way to say "Good night, beauty" in Spanish? "Buenas noches, preciosa"?

I mean, a word which encompasses 'pretty girl/lady'... somehow I can't even think of any in English.

>>75193919
>The only final they actually deserved to win was against Leverkusen
Top lel toallero

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>>75194096
>being this delusional
I grant you Barca has managed to cheat in Europe which Juve have never been able to but that's it

Barcelona is the most hated team. They are complete referee babies. Bayern buys all the Bundesliga talent so they're second most hated + Robben is a diving cunt. Real Madrid deserve it. You can always rely on Ramos and a 90' + 3 headed goal.

>>75194132
Buenas noches, hermosa perhaps?

>>75193075
They had a strong German spine then (((Guardiola)))) got rid of all that and signed half a dozen midget Latino faggots.

>>75194132
"te viacomer el horcate, moza", try that

>>75194180
It's hilarious to think that when after Zizou's goal Neverkusen stopped trying altogether and the game was dead

>>75193098
Real did win 6 of those titles over 50 years ago, since 1992 Barcelona have won 5, real 4. and 3 of those Real ones were jammy as fuck, while every Barcelona victory was deserved and they could have had more - 2010, 2008, 2012, they could easily have won in all these years.

>>75194128
err, they won the bulk of their European cups in the 50's and 60's...
I complained about Man Utd winning with luck, but I was more disappointed at those Bayern mental midgets who once again snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.
I'll agree about 2000, although Valencia in the final is pathetic. Even mental midgets Bayern beat Valencia in a final. And all of those same-country finals are shit, it's ALWAYS the more decorated club of the two who wins them: RM > Valencia; Milan > Juventus; Man Utd > Chelsea; Bayern mental midgets > even greater mental midgets Dortmund; RM > Atlético mental midgets.

>>75193246
>black
>german

pick one

>>75194205
I'm delusional for saying it's very plausible that all the big clubs in Europe have cheated at some point.

you have a lot to learn about the world, my friend.

>>75194252
this.

>>75194252
RM have won 5 since 1992.

>>75193970
they are dirtbags, I know that, but atleast they don't win in europe on regular basis as others

>>75194252
Since the new Champions League format (1993), Real have won 5 and Barça 4

>>75194261
you really like saying the term "mental midgets"

>>75194252
your math doesnt even make sense you fucking mong.

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>>75194132
>"Buenas noches, preciosa"
It's ok
>>75194252
>since 1992 Barcelona have won 5, real 5.
fixed
>while every Barcelona victory was deserved
k, you almost got me

>>75193301
>1990
lose in semi final to huuuuugely deflected free-kick then on penalty shootout
>1996
lose in semi final on penalty shootout after completely dominating the match and only conceding the equalizing goal in final few minutes
>1998
Out on penalties after a perfect goal disallowed
>2002
out after a very lucky free kick and defensive blunder after completely controlling the game, against the eventual champions
>2004
Out on penalties after another perfectly good goal disallowed
>2006
out on penalties after (((Crisitiano))) plots with (((uefa))) to get Rooney sent off
>2010
Perfectly good goal not given at 1-1 which would have made the game even, go on to concede 3 goals on the counterattack in the second half after going all out attacking
>2012
out on penalties again, completely outplayed by Italy but by no means hammered

I wouldn't say we "haven't even come close". Complete fabrication. We have come very close and been very unlucky.

>>75194328
it's a fresh change from bottlers or chokers

>>75194261
Only one of them was won in the '60s

>it's ALWAYS the more decorated club of the two who wins them
Are you forgetting 2005 or something?
And 1999 right there is an example of the less decorated team winning against Bayern

As for 2003 Milan even had a goal wrongfully disallowed and Juve still couldn't win...they've always been eternal chokers in Europe and one of their trophies was given to them out of pity in 1985

>>75194328
that's because they are mental midgets. they're like every woman not called Serena Williams in women's tennis.

>>75194252
>while every Barcelona victory was deserved
Haahahhaha
I hope you're being sarcastic since without UEFA they would have never won those tites

2006
>Sheva disallowed goal
2009
>Chelsea disaster
2011
>Benzema goal disallowed

>>75194261
Juve are more domestically decorated than AC though, but yeah i get yer point.
TBTH, there shouldn't actually BE any same country Finals in a "European" competition -- surely defies the point.
For the life of me can't work out why same federations are kept apart in the Round of 16 stage.

>>75194338
bit triggered.

>>75194285
Yet you have no proof of that while there's plenty of it against juve

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>>75194351
dude, I was talking about same country CL finals.

>>75194317
You mean they don't "cheat" in europe in a regular basis?
That's because they can't buy the refs in CL + they're major chokers
>lost against fucking Hamburg and Dortmund

>>75194338
>2016
our after losing to part time dentists

>>75194417
whatever you call it mate, just less success

>>75194416
Well those don't happen too often to begin with

>>75194338
>Diary of a loser, part XVI

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>>75194382
>Juve are more domestically decorated than Milan though
No shit, they practically own FIGC
It's no wonder that even Merda has more CL titles than them

>>75194386
Not to mention our clubs completely dominated European club football for two periods, once in the 1970s-80s and again in the late 2000s.

England didn't qualify for the world cup in '74 or '78 but look at 70s European cups -- all with full English ( / british) squads, no foreigners --

>1975
Leeds united lose narrowly in final
>1977
Liverpool
>1978
Liverpool
>1979
Nottingham Forest
>1980
Nottingham Forest
>1981
Liverpool
>1982
Aston Villa
>1983
Kevin Keegan
>1984
Liverpool
>1985
should have been cancelled, or Liverpool, given to Juventus out of pity

Not to mention UEFA cup and Cup Winner's Cups victories for Tottenham, Everton, Aberdeen and Liverpool between 1975 - 1985.

that is why (((uefa))) banned england from Europe in 1985 after Heysel, we all know it was not Liverpool's fault, but (((uefa))) had to protect their (((italian and spanish))) clubs as always.

>>75194382
Going back to the old European Cup system (only the winner plays the Cup, 2nd to 4th go play UEFA cup) would solve the problem but it's bad for business. Being 3rd in your league should never ever give you the right to proclaim yourself champion of champions.

>>75194424
>Moortugal
>2004
Out after losing to part time rentboys
>and defeated by same rentboys in the group stage

>>75194382
To be honest, I don't really value these European Cups as much as I did before the early 2000's. Something has been lost. I just think it's a different game now, all about money and parading the stars. They should just separate the real European Cups from the Champions League titles.

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>>75194476
>we all know it was not Liverpool's fault

>>75194338
>very lucky free kick
It was Ronaldinho, not luck.

>after (((Crisitiano))) plots with (((uefa)))
Rooney stamped on, IIRC, Carvalho's nuts.

>Perfectly good goal not given at 1-1 which would have made the game even
Never had control of that game, Ozil abused you.

>completely outplayed by Italy
Exactly. Pirlo's Panenka is the perfect metaphor for that game: English try really hard but ultimately lose to greater smarts.

>>75194417
you're defeating your own argument.
that means you know the other, bigger clubs are cheating: they can not only afford it, but also not get caught doing it.

>>75194476
In a way I'd say EPL has the most clubs who won the thing
I mean Aston Villa and fucking Nottingham Forest(who won it twice) won it

You will probably never see teams like Lazio or Genoa win it in their lifetimes

>>75194511
>juve fans start shit and run into decrepit wall
>Liverpool's fault

>>75194132
''me voy pa la durma bb :$ kjasjasja''

>>75194481
that would also destroy the already 1-2 team leagues.
>Being 3rd in your league should never ever give you the right to proclaim yourself champion of champions
i dont see how thats revelant, if you wouldnt be good enough you wouldnt end up winning anyway

>>75194446
they've been happening with a rather unhealthy regularity. UCL is just crap compared to the old European Cup.

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>>75194476
>we all know it was not Liverpool's faul
Why are briteeth so pathetically delusional in every aspect of their lifes?

>>75194476
>we all know it was not Liverpool's fault
This is horseshit and you know it
And the ban wasn't even that fucking long to begin with

That said fuck Platini for celebrating that way when almost 30 Juve fans were dead in front of him. Fucking pig

>>75194506
I think it's more about clubs being able to sign more than 3 foreign players.

>>75194521
We were controlling the game very well then Danny Mills and Rio Ferdinand had a "to-me-to-you" moment of madness and Fat Ronaldo toe poked it in
Then Ronaldinho, with some assistance from the wind, tried a cross which floated in over Seaman
England were the only team to give Brazil a game that year.
>2006
Even so, going out on penalties after an extra time draw is hardly a huge, hammering, massive, 5-0 defeat is it?
>2010
Watch the game again, bro. Up until Lampard's goal it is pretty even. Germany pick us off on the counter, as they did with Argentina, and loads of teams over the last few years.
>2012
Yes Italy's midfield in 2012 was amazing, and they outplayed lots of teams. But still , as with 2006, losing on penalties after a draw after 120 minutes, is still not like getting spanked 5-0. It's a close result, even if the performance wasn't.

tl;dr - England are a good team. With a bit of luck we will win a tournament. there is a good amount of luck involved in these things.

>>75194476
I agree the 70's were a better decade in football and those teams won very deservedly, probably the most deservedly. but I still maintain that England, as the founding father of the sport and a powerful nation in Europe, has underachieved in football compared to countries like Portugal and Holland. of course, there's always worse: France in club football are is probably the most pathetic story in all of sports.

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>>75192339

Who lifelong Madridista here like me?

>>75194481
agreed.
I'm looking at you, Liverpool.

>>75194603
>the wind
Come on, pal. And you're misrembering: Rivaldo scored the other goal in that game, not Ronaldo.

>>75194624
Being a lifelong madridista is the normiest thing in this country. Most of you don't even like football.
NORMIES OUT

>>75194540
Except I'm not
Juve simply aren't and never were appealing for UEFA so that's why they couldn't pull a Barca

>>75194579
>>75194511
>>75194570
>the year is 1985
>be UEFA
>organize Final in a crumbling, shitty stadium
>employ hardly any police and security staff
>Allocate more tickets than there is seats in the stadium
Act all surprised when the Liverpool fans begin to try to escape from being crushed up to a fence and then, after seeing plainly nothing is going to be done about it, perhaps a few of them riot a bit, but nothing we haven't seen before or proper structural planning and security organization wouldn't have solved

Yeah, totally Liverpool's fault.
Morons

>>75194222
Madrids path to the final last season was absolutely disgustingly easy

>>75194579
Platini is the fucking worst.
he's like the Prost of football.
but fortunately less successful.

>>75194476

>heysel stadium
>liverpool hooligans dindu nuffin

>>75194551
>Loserpool supporters kill 29 Jube supporters
>Not Scousers fault

>>75194681
Still won the final, get over it, bum

>>75194593
agreed. Bosman destroyed Dutch football, which is unforgivable.

>>75194677
>Morons
Got 'em.

>>75194650
Rivaldo, Ronaldo, whatever. The point is it was a very avoidable goal, and England are a good team, with a strong defence

>>75194716
wasn't it weird how Real Madrid went the same way for every penalty in the shoot out? Never seen that before, and we'll probably not see it again

>>75194569
Well let's see
Since 2000

>RM vs Valencia 2000
>Milan vs Juve 2003
>Man U vs Chelsea 2008
>Bayern vs Dortmund 2012
>RM vs Atleti 2014, 2016

That's not that much
European Cup practically guarantees no 2 teams of the same country to begin with

>>75194677
Yes it's Liverpool Supporters fault
It's also their fault that EPL has been completely modernized over time and lost it's gritty charm

>>75194616
>France in club football are is probably the most pathetic story in all of sports.
1993 is the most disgusting final in Champions League history by far
Fucking dopers

here is a short guide on what to do to not get called murderer

step 1. dont murder anyone
step 2. profit

thats for all the scousers out there

>>75194821
EPL is a good league to watch, and any team can beat any other team. But it has lost its identity and there are too many foreign players.
That is not Liverpool's fault, though. To be honest Liverpool have been pretty irrelevant in the Premier League era.

>>75194849
instructions not clear enough

>>75194849
Smicer, thank you for your goal in 2005, but you can fuck off now

>>75194717
That would have happened sooner or later. The '94 WC commercial spirit, the Champions League format, the signing of international stars (Madrid's Germans, Milan's Dutchmen, etc) all happened before the Bosman ruling. I wouldn't place the inflection point of "modern football" at the Bosman ruling, I would say Samsung & Hyundai 2002 was the real final blow to football.

>>75194796
Probably a psychological trick/mind game

>>75194848
and they still managed to keep the title.
it's unbelievable.
their only CL title, kek.

>>75193880
>75193037<<
backwards quoting wtf

can i do that too 75193880<<

>>75194878
I'm talking about the atmosphere
Mostly casual richfags are the ones who go attend EPL games nowadays because of the high ticket prices

Liverpool Ultras went way too far in the '80s

>>75194476
>>96

>>75194944
There was an interview 10+ years later with one of the players revealing that every match they were given an injection before the match started

>>75194915
yeah, I agree. let's say it was a nail in the coffin which coincided with some of the best and most enjoyable football I've ever seen. a little bit like absolutist monarchs being the most powerful monarchs but at the same time spelling the end of monarchy. I love these paradoxes.

>>75194915
You're forgetting the 3 foreigners rule
That was one of the biggest changes by far when they repealed it

Also we have Cruyff to thank for commercializing the game. He was the first one to demand higher wages way back when and set the wheel in motion

>>75195001
Marseille in the early 90s had a great team, injections or not.

Boksic, Papin, Voller, Abedi, Deschamps, Desailly, Fernandez, Tigana, Lizarazu, Barthez

>>75195005
>2003/04
>Double group stage is gone in favor of 1/16th K.O rounds
That's what killed the Champions League in retrospect actually

>>75194972
yep..casuals,tourists,attention whores

and the small 10-20% percent are real fans

>>75195001
why do they get to keep that title when all we see today is athletes getting stripped of their medals/titles in all sports when there's clear evidence of cheating? Is it because it would be too embarrassing for the French to have the same number of CL titles as Liechtenstein?

>>75194849
Could you go over that? I have a small bit of Scouse blood in me and i'm finding it hard to understand.

> Be lifeolng Madridista, live just 400km away from Bernabeu
>Real Madrid will have 25 champions leagues by the time I'm dead
>feels good

>>75195048
Yeah but they were no 92/93 Milan who only had conceded a goal from Romario against PSV that entire CL campaign and those shitters even lost to Red Star Belgrade in '91

Definitely can't compare to Baresi, Maldini, Billy, Tasotti, Rijkaard, Albertini, Boban, Gullit, Savicevic, Van Basten either

>>75195088
>why do they get to keep that title
Dumb UEFA 10 year rule

>>75195089
thats the best I can do, maybe someone else here might help you lad

>>75195094
at this rate they'll probably have 40.
unless, of course, you're 90 years old, in which case I congratulate you for having witnessed Di Stefano and Puskas in person.

>>75195066
Is it less interesting with KO rounds? I happen to think the CL would be more interesting with 48 teams (16*3) so there are KO rounds at the round of 32. Group stages are boring so get them out of them way quick.

>>75195117
I wish I had the money to dedicate the rest of my life to the cause of stripping this title from Marseille. I would be like a post-war jew chasing the nazis.

>>75195099
Milan early 90s are the GOAT in my opinion
At university i said that to some classmates and they collectively shat a porcupine, all talking about Fagalona (this was in 2010/11) and Real Madrid in the 50s,
idiots who know nothing
One was a Rangers fan, no surprises there then

>>75195220
I agree. The team that destroyed Romario and Stoichkov's Barcelona 4-0 is up there with the best. I can't even go through the starting eleven without getting a boner.

>>75195290
>i can't even
literally can't even
are you tumblr, are you tumblr, are you tumblr in disguise? kek

>>75195205
Either go full-on KO round or don't

That said the 2nd group stage format was pretty badass. It was such a fucking tough group to get out of and there were so many classic matches that came out of it

1/16th seems like an excuse to eliminate lower teams earlier by putting them up against Real Madrid/Barca/Man U

>>75194495

I hate Moortugal and the fact that they ruined the 2016 Euro...

But they have atleast won the damn thing. Fucking Greece has won it as well. What about you bongs?

>>75195220
92-94 was insane
Had Papin on the bench

>>75195330
wut. you're aware these words existed before tumblr, right? I'm in my 30's, I don't belong to the tumblr generation.

MADRE MIA EL BICHO ASSBLASTING UEFALONA BABIES

>>75195290
Cruyff had belittled Milan's transfer of Desailly before the match. Little did he know Desailly would be the one to finish him

And
>that Savicevic goal
Still the best goal in any CL final ever

>>75195347
Euros only really became a thing after Euro 84, and even then it was only 8 teams. First 16 team Euros was 96, which Engers were at home and did well in, got to semi final.

euro 2000 England were not that great and went out in the groups, but weren't awful, had bad luck in the Romania game with a deflection and could have drawn Portugal

Euro 2004, i have explained earlier

Euro 2008, Did Not Qualify -- google "the wally with the brolly" ---

euro 2012 -- discussed above

euro 2016 -- Didn't play great in the groups and drew Iceland who were surprisingly good,
Iceland only didnt make it to 2014 world cup on playoffs (lost to Croatia) and are looking strong in qualification for 2018 world cup.

Iceland are actually a good team at the moment. They beat us 2-1 in a very boring, lacklustre game. We were poor, Hodgson is not a good manager.
But i haven't lost faith. We just need a bit of luck really, portugal were verrrry lucky in 2016, they kind of won it from nothing.

>>75195359
heh, j-just a joke, a-amigo

>>75195347
at least we have two finals and a title.
all they have in this competition is "we were unlucky in the quarterfinals/semifinals".

mind you, Portugal winning the Euro, taking into account how many times we were consistently reaching the latter stages of the tournament, is still much less of a surprise than the US team winning any tournament.

>>75195425
>Iceland who were surprisingly good,
[spoiler]Part-time dentists[/spoiler]
Sorry, couldn't resist

>>75195337
What if you had this:

48 teams in 16 groups of 3
Top 2 go through, winners play runners up in next round
Round of 32, knock-out
4 groups of 4
Quarters
Semis
Final

The only reason why I suggest 48 teams is so that clubs from smaller nations can compete. They're getting pushed out by the big boys. Then you have your last 16 in groups which, I admit, is GOAT. Nearly all of those teams would be top teams.

stay mad :^)

I'd die happy if It was Atletico vs Real Madrid and Torres scored the winning goal

>>75195458
>48 teams
Dammit no
That's too fucking much
I think the format is bloated with enough teams as it is
Maybe they could limit it to 2 clubs each per league or something(something like 16 leagues 2 teams each)

Bring back the UEFA Cup(Europa League is shit and it doesn't count) and Cup Winners Cup
Those cups used to mean something

>>75195481
the winning own goal*

>>75195481
we all would but thats not happening

btw why are so many mexicans madridistas?

>>75195403
>that Savicevic goal
yeah, all those ex-Yugoslavian players were amazing.

>trivia: the goal resulted from a Nadal blunder

>>75195511
Hugo Sanchez

>>75195455
We need to work on our penalty shootouts, yes it's close and it's even but by now we should have won at least one.
if we sort out penalties we can win big matches

>>75195505
>UEFA CUP x EUROPA LEAGUE
did they change anything else in the competition or just the name? i cant remember

>>75195505
agreed, mate.
underrated post.

>>75195505
Champions League would be shit now if you only had 2 teams from each league. All the talent gets hoovered up by the big leagues.

>>75195540
for all the luck Portugal had last year, it sort of balances out the fact that we had much better teams who couldn't quite do it. and I agree luck counts a lot in these competitions, I'm sure it will smile on you very soon.

>>75195517
Actually it was kind of a 50/50
Savicevic was a madman with that chip

Off topic but classic clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTFhh3Ea5kE

>>75195458
To be honest, that's a pretty good idea.
The only snag is in the first group stage, there isn't much jeapordy - a 66 % chance of going through would probably result in lots of dead rubbers and the only match that matters being the first one.
But a second group stage is a good move, because it also silences the G-14 trying to make a breakaway Euro Super League.

Should it maybe go straight to Semis after the 2nd group stage?
If not then your system involves playing 17 matches which is arguably a bit much

>>75195553
Used to be all knock out, I think.

>>75195553
UEFA Cup used to be all KO rounds
Europa League is a Champions League for Low Level Clubs with Group Stages and all that and is boring as shit to watch as a result

>>75194337
>Buenas noches, linda

No preciosa.

>>75195594
>All the talent gets hoovered up by the big leagues.
That's the way it's always been

>>75195600
Penalty shootouts begin with the goalkeeper I think, England haven't had a good GK since Seaman or Shilton.
Jack Butland was looking really good last year but he's gone off the boil a bit now.
>>75195622
Best CL final goal? Zidane's volley is also priddy gud though.

>>75194337
>since 1992 Barcelona have won 5
No, 1991/92 was still European Cup

>>75192339
They're certainly one of football's bad guys alongside the likes of Chelsea.

Disgusting corrupt club.

>>75195553
they basically made it from its own wee competition into a Champions League Lite,
also changed some slight aspects in terms of qualification process and that kind of boring shit

Just wikipedia it, bro.
They should bring back the Cup Winners Cup, and make the UEFA / Europa for the 2nd - 5th placed teams -- the UEFA Cup used to have a lot more merit than it does now -- in the 90s teams won the UEFA cup that could easily have won the Champions League.

This then would make the CL better because it really would just be champions, which is what it is meant to be after all, a glorified Super Cup.

>>75195713
It's worse now though. Seems like no team outside of the big 4 leagues will ever win a CL again, except maybe PSG.

>>75195719
>Best CL final goal?
Definitely

>Zidane goal
It was good, kinda overrated though especially since it was against Leverkusen

I'm getting sick of them too, why do the bad guys always win?

>>75195682
Actually there are some very good games in the "Europa league" (fuck you UEFA). The problem is how these teams qualify - it's easy for a Champions League reject to aim for 3rd place in the group stage and get a chance to win this competition. Then, runners-up from small leagues (say, Denmark) have got a tougher road to the final ko round than the likes of Manchester United or Lyon, or a 6th placed Spanish team. Sevilla won one of their titles after finishing NINTH.

Simply bring back the old European Cup and UEFA format. Don't fix what isn't broken.

>>75195818
But it's almost always been that way
Even in the old European Cup days England, Italy, Spain, Germany dominated the competition for the most part

>>75195719
It's not the best goal for sure, but I've always liked Ravanelli's sneaky goal against Ajax in 1996. The whole thing was great, including the celebration.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNJshZ603mo

>>75195789
Wouldn't people complain about the low quality of the teams in the CL if only the champions qualify?

>>75195719
ugh, I didn't like Seaman at all.
he wasn't the worst goalkeeper, but he wasn't that good either.

>>75195818
i dont know man but even in the past it was the same

sometimes you had some contenders/champs from the eastern block, but most of the time the champ was spanish or english anyways

>>75195866
There's like 48 teams in Europa League
It's bloated as fuck and the fact that 3rd place teams in CL go to EL is retarded

>European Cup
Jews won't let this happen ever
I think the 2 team-limit I proposed would be a decent compromise at least

I don't get why they think Europa League is a good move though
Nobody wants to watch a fodder version of the CL. If they made it into a straight KO thing more people would probably tune in

>>75195948
Well, it would be poor quality. 4th placed teams from the big leagues would be better than the champions from some smaller nations.

>>75195937
Seaman was obviously weak to the lobs from 40 years (Nayim, Ronaldinho, a couple in the EPL) but he was solid as fuck and great at saving penalties,
also had memetastic hair.
He wasn't amazing or anywhere near Shilton but honestly England fans would bite yer hand off for Seaman now.

>>75195916
Probably, but the EL and CWC would make up for it.

>>75195823
The zidane goal is arguably a better move overall, while the Savicevic goal is better, the zidane goal is a better move.
>>75195866
didnt they qualify as returning Europa league champions? if so their league position is irrelevant desu

>>75195948
I think the 3 foreigner rule being repealed is the main culprit imo

Look at the 1991 Red Star team
That shit was possible because back then clubs could only play buy 3 foreign players at a time

Imagine if there were modern rules back then
All of their stars would have been bought before they would have ever won a thing

>>75195984
>2 team-limit
One from the league, one from the cup? You could even go to 24 teams (to increase quality) and have:

8 groups of 3
4 groups of 4
Quarters
Semis
Final

>>75196032
Eh I dunno
I always thought Zidane's goal had a bit of luck behind it since he just struck it out of nowhere

While Dejan's goal was just sheer ridiculous technique which he didn't even need to do since any other player would have just ran with the ball and scored an easy goal but instead Dejan had the balls to show-off in a CL Final and if that goal wouldn't have gotten in Capello and the Italian Media would have chewed his head off after the game

>>75196032
They qualified because the 5th or 6th team, I don't remember, was Athletic which won a ticket to Europe after reaching the Copa del Rey final against CL regular Barcelona. Therefore, the 7th team got the place for Europa league. This team was Betis, which had financial problems and could not secure the UEFA requirements. So the 8th team should go instead. This was Rayo, of whom I'm a lifelong fan, and back then we had EVEN MORE financial trouble than Betis. So the European position went to the 9th placed team - Sevilla... the eventual champion.

>>75196040
I was thinking 2 clubs per league actually but that could work too

32 is fine...that way you have more leagues covered

>>75196129
zizous is a great volley, something you can master

that savicevic goal was just something else, genius instict to pull that off

>>75196037
Countries that are disparate get fucked when it comes to free trade. The people who benefit are the employers in the big countries (clubs in the big leagues) and the employees from the small countries (the players from the small countries). The people who don't do so good is the employees from the big countries (e.g. English talent, can't get a game) and the employers from small countries (clubs in the small leagues).

decent thread after a while

goodnight lads

>>75196202
Ronaldo would never have the touch to score a goal like that. that's why records and numbers aren't everything in tennis. Stoichkov's and Mihajlovic's freekicks were fapping material.

>>75196282
night, buddy

>>75196288
>in tennis
sorry, in football. kek.

>>75196282
Dobrou noc m8

>>75196165
The thing about per league is that the teams qualifying is more repetitive. Cup adds a bit of diversity.

CL: League and Cup Winner
UC: 2nd and 3rd place

>>75196202
>zizous is a great volley
Yeah but he struck it out of nowhere
Look at how the ball came to him...it was sort of odd, he just took a chance out of nowhere and with a bit of luck was rewarded

>>75196389
This. The CWC should have merged with the Champions League, not the UEFA Cup.

I'm also going to bed. Keep calling out modern football, lads.

>>75196288
>Mihaljovic's freekicks
Goddamn. And people think R. Carlos freekicks were special

Him and Juninho are up there with guys like Platini and Zico when it comes to FK's

>>75196435
It was a weak cross, he definitely had his time to prepare for that.

>>75196808
>It was a weak cross
Precisely
Carlos' cross was odd(I think it was deflected iirc) and shooting a volley from that kind of cross can be weird to time properly so that's why I say he got a bit lucky with that goal

>>75193302
Fuck off butthurt anglo. Saul was fouled inside the box and not a fuck was given. Leicester did shit but parked the bus in the fucking kitchen even for atletico standards.

>>75193343
>Based
Both teams are fucking cancer. Real Madrid is just a money/Franco babby

>>75197116
>muh Franco meme
fuck off bandwagoning beaner

>>75197116
Barcelona and Atletico won almost as many titles under Franco than Madrid did

Franco who cared little for the sport to begin with preferred the military team Atletico Aviacion who rebranded back to Atletico Madrid

>>75197243
who the fuck are you??? is that a stomped fly in your flag??

>>75194677
WE DINDUS
Brits are truly the scum of the earth

>>75193343
I prefer both, they play beautiful football & have likeable players.

When Real lose Modric they'll just be that jock team that rapes drunk girls at parties. When Barca loses Iniesta they'll still have Messi with his highschool sweet heart, Rakitic the hottest metrofag, Ter Stegen the cutest Nazi & Rat king. When Bayern lose Lahm they'll still have Sweepa keepa, le cut inside man, Ribery the scared patriot, Muller/Lewa & Thiago the next Xavi Alcatraz.

Who the fuck does Real have that's likeable? Kovacic? lol

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>>75197276
>is that a stomped fly in your flag??

>>75197327
Ramos is pretty likeable

>>75197276
7-0

>>75197327
>le cut inside man
>likeable
He's annoying as fuck

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>>75197327
>jock team that rapes drunk girls at parties
so accurate.

>>75197396

Seriously, that's your comeback? Your conutry is meaningless and it will never achieve anything, your best players prefer to play for other national teams if they can, they would consider playing for Albania as a disgrace.

>>75197358
>likeable
probably the luckiest and most unlikeable player in the history of football.

>>75197358
he's utterly repulsive, worse than anyone on Barca

I know that feel

>>75195347

>But they have atleast won the damn thing. Fucking Greece has won it as well. What about you bongs?

They have a sack full of 60 years of excuses (>>75195425)

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>>75197420
>hating on based lcim

>>75199209
I'm Scottish. We're even worse, but then there's no real expectations for us to win anything. ;_;

>>75197116
real is the king's club

>>75199578

At least you have Amy Macdonald.

Tbf you are usually unlucky with the qualifying groups you get drawn in. A bit of luck with that and you could make it just like Best and Worst Ireland did.

>>75193037
If ManU made it they'd be right up there with Barcelona and Madrid

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>defend system that allows teams to constantly buy championships
>complain about it

>>75201540
>most capitalistic country complaining about monopolies

>>75194252
You don´t even know how to count to five and you want to fool us.

Moron.

>>75193037
10/10

>>75197641
That's not Sergio Busquets.

>>75194132
>What's a way to say "Good night, beauty" in Spanish? "Buenas noches, preciosa"?
Try "vamo a comer eso?".

>>75204042
>Capitalism
>monopoly
Wut?

>>75193037
>monaco that high
>rebentus

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>>75194252
>every Barcelona victory was deserved

>>75193033
kill yourself

>>75197276
stomped fly

>>75193033
>Barca is the lesser of two evils.
have your (You) and gtfo

>>75193246
>>who is Boateng
indeed

all the butthurt on this thread

please go on, I'm having fun :D

>>75194252
> every Barcelona victory was deserved

1992 - free kick from which Barca scored winning goal was a wrong call, should not have been given
2006 - disallowed Sheva goal, Eto offiside goal in the final
2009 - 4 penalties not given for Chelsea
2011 - red card for van Persie, red card for Pepe, disallowed Higuain goal
2015 - penalty not given for Juve in the final when the score was 1-1

> all those replies to the obvious bait @75194252
Come on /sp/, stop giving him (You)s.

>>75199578
We have Burke and Tierney to carry us in a few years

>>75194252
This. Best post in the thread.

>>75192339
EAT SHIT AND DIE PAKI

>>75206518
monaco as a club are pretty unlikeable but they have cool players and they're underdogs

One of the things I like about Real Madrid is that at least as a club, they don't feel the need to shit talk other clubs or whine about them (mou aside). I do hate when its fans try to defend everything, but any club has those kinds of fans

>>75193919
Your butthurt is incredible. You can win once or twice with luck, but if its more than that then it is entirely something else. That aside, the last 2 CLs they won, and the current tournament....maybe they are winning so much because they have the most stacked team in Europe. Even their bench has great players

>>75208866

Not to mention in 1992 >Sampdoria represented Italy because Milan was suspended due to the incidents the year before in the game vs Marseilles. I think Marseilles was also suspended, and the German representative that year was >Kaiserslautern.

That was the '''''''''impressive'''''''''' 1992 Farsa CL win. With a refballed free kick goal in extra time.

>>75194338
When you guys constantly have goalkeeping howlers and goof penalty shootouts THIS many times, it's not really a coincidence anymore.

Your team has always had the talent to win trophies, it's your media that always goes full jingoism mode every tournament and puts unrealistic pressure on the players, to the point where it's almost a bigger surprise if they DON'T choke desu

>>75208866
>2009 - 4 penalties not given for Chelsea
3 of them were in fact not penalties

>>75194931
Oblak was probably too tired to realize it. Plus the pressure of losing yet another CL to R.Madrid

>>75193818
wtf i love real madrid now

>>75195220
I can agree

Didn't watch them live, but they seemed like a great defensive team, and defense tends to dominate offense. Definitely can't see UEFAlona hanging with them sans refball desu

>>75220447
>this arse pain

>>75224723

Just stating facts.

You uneducated football casuals need to know that there was only one king in the early 90s, AC Milan, one perfidious anti-king, Olympique Marseille, and two jester clowns, Barca and Man Utd.

Until Ajax happened in '95 and raped the King.

>>75225386
>being this fucking mad

>>75225386
Barca's CL/EC wins are legitimate, make as many hair-brained excuses as you like, the record books say otherwise.

>>75225408
ffs Ramos

>>75225386
>one perfidious anti-king, Olympique Marseille,
'93 final doping scum
>Until Ajax happened in '95 and raped the King.
winning 1-0 in the final by a lucky goal is not what I call "getting raped"...not in the slightest

>>75225557
>Barca's CL/EC wins are legitimate
About as legitimate as John McCain's hairline

>>75193037
lester isn't likable

>>75227344
>my opinions are facts

Erm... no sweetie. The record books show you are wrong.

>>75227344

Barca CL wins are as legit as Real Madrids

Take that how you will