/nfl/ general - OAKLAND BOOTY edition

first for beli winning the offseason

>>74792448
>NE: Report: Don't discount Revis returning to Pats
what
why? he is awful now

chargers go from worst to first and win the owl in 2017 season bc BASED RIVERS number is 17

>>74792487
every free agent veteran gets rumored to the patriots to revive their career regardless of how washed up they are

remember when pat fags were bragging about getting Chad Johnson?

>>74792510
I try to forget about Chad Johnson desu

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Can you please fucking retire already man?

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draftfus

>team
>dream
>realistic
>late rounder

toxins
malik hooker
pat mahomes
lorenzo jerome

>>74792519
Don't worry, Big Ben will retire after this season.

>>74792519
roethlisberger should retire, he's the biggest faker in the NFL

Pls rename /nfl/ to /Eternal Patriots/ lets stop kidding ourselves.

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>>74792448
They just won't stop

>>74792532
What is he faking?

>>74792547
Yeah, Oakland is really in need of a QB right now.

>>74792525
Chorgers
Solomon Thomas
Malik Hooker
Lorenzo Jerome or Jarron Jones

>>74792547
we already signed ej manuel

>The NFL's overtime period could be shortened from 15 to 10 minutes in 2017.

why.jpeg

If this post ends in 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8, or 9 the cowboys 4peat

>>74792547
Oakland dosent even need a Qb

>>74792582
if neither can score in 10 minutes i don't really wanna see another 5

>>74792636
ties should never be acceptable

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>post yfw this happens this year

>>74792582
>>74792646
>>74792636
why dont they just take CFB's overtime

>>74792678
i would like this after a small overtime period i wouldn't want a shootout right after

>>74792670
a guy runs with a ball?

>>74792525
>Clots
>Fournette
>Reddick
>Chad Wheeler (U$C student so I'm biased)

>Some dirty spic taconigger was the one who stole Brady's last 2 Owl jerseys and potentially many more from other players

Is anyone really surprised with these subhumans anymore?

>>74792525
eagles
fournette
mccaffrey cook wilson tabor lattimore idk
sidney jones ben boulware

>>74792678
Because CFB overtime gives a massive advantage to the team that goes second, the first team will not know ahead of time whether to go for it on 4th down or not for a TD

>>74792771
>Lattimore at #14
>Realistic

>>74792800
he only has 1 year of experience starting and plays on a stacked team other positions can be available with more of a guarantee not to mention dbs are deep teams may opt to go db in 2nd and 3rd, especially early drafting teams

R8 my mock draft simulation bros
Clots
R1P15: Fournette
R2P14: Dan Feeney, OG, Indiana
R3P26 (SEA): Alex Anzalone, OLB, Florida
R3P42 (SEA): JuJu Smith-Schuster, WR, Southern Cal
R4P14: Corn Elder, CB, Miami FL
R4P30: Daeshon Hall, DE, A&M
R5P14: John Johnson, FS, Boston College
Inb4 HURR Fournette will never go that low because no player in NFL history has ever been drafted lower than expected

Why did the Eagles release Chase Daniel? Couldn't they have traded him?

>>74792839
Fuck I forgot one
R4P37 (COMP): Eddie Vanderdoes, DT, UCLA

>>74792755
War of retribution when?

>>74792678
This.

>Aaron Rodgers
>above average pass protecting O-line
>Jordy Nelson, Martellus Bennett, Davante Adams, Randal Cobb, Lance Kendricks, Richard Rodgers and Ty Montgomery

barring injuries what is stopping this offense from putting up 5000+ passing yards?

>>74792852
NEETs dont pay taxes

>>74792852
Eagles fans have no way of knowing what the value of a SB winning jersey is I guess

>>74792862
Aaron Rodgers

>>74792888
Box score says they won for me, so I don't think it matters how

I'm sure Eagles fans would gladly take winning an Owl in OT over 0 (zero)

>yeah... but we have to find those useless jerseys those are more important.

It was almost $1 million in stolen property, take it up with shitty NFL and Houston authorities

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>>74792876
>Aaron Rodgers
one of the most efficient and prolific passers of our generation if not ever?

A question for the rules fags.
Is it true you can not enter into trade negotiations on an RFA until they sign the offer sheet with either the original team or the interested team?

I ask because wonder how likely is it that BB ends up with the Saints pick at 11.

Butler hasn't signed the Pats offer sheet as far as I know and BB may rather have 11 than Butler.

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DISCORD IS KILL

NOW I MUST SHITPOST HERE INSTEAD

PACKERS OR STEELERS

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>>74792924
>Eagles
>Integrity

Go throw some batteries you filthadelphia faggot

>>74792906
Chuck it up 60 times a game and pray for DPI man isn't exactly the model of efficiency

>children of eagles fans have trouble identifying Saturn as a planet because they've never seen a ring before

>>74792930
hi gamby

>>74792924
eagles have neither owls or integrity

>>74792924
Lmao look at this fucking sour grapes logic

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>>74792852

American sports history. Like Mohammad Ali's gloves.

And the Jersey was stolen for its historical value.

You sound like a Bernard Sanders voter.

>>74792926
That is correct.

If Saints sign him to an offer-sheet, they must be willing to give up the #11 pick.

If he signs the tender, the Pats and Saints can begin to discuss a trade.

>>74792968
And Lane Johnson was suspended because ???

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>>74792945
... what?

>>74792988
>People putting weight into a stat that has a defense babby at #2 and Tony fucking Romo at #4

Passer rating is one of the most arbitrary equations used in football, I have never seen anyone justify the weights of the coefficients in the formula

>>74792852

according to ESPN they're valued at 500k a piece

1 million in stolen property is not a joke

>>74793005
You're right it was something else that was against the rules, twice

And you also just signed another PED abuser

I guess Eagles fag would prefer steroid usage to natural laws of physics explaining air pressure change

>>74793004
okay what stat do you want?
y/a, completion rate, TD%, INT%?
pro tip: he's top 5 in all of those

why does the NFC East have the worst fanbases?

>>74793039
But not #1 all time, which is pretty much the only reason I argue passer rating is garbage

>>74793004
theres a direct correlation between passer rating and winning % in quarterbacks.

>>74793018
the fabric is probably under $100

>>74793048
Any division with the Eagles and Cowboys fanbases is instantly a contender for the worst

Just take a look at at the anime tripfag derailing the thread with bait right now

so...who wants to buy a jersey?

>>74793050
what a dumb argument
he's number #1 in passer rating because nobody else has that level of statistical dominance across the board

>>74793023
For taking a supplement that is approved by the NFL

>>74793077
Do you only accept avocados and refried beans as payment?

>>74793093
He's #1 all time because Brees, Peyton and Brady didn't spend the entirety of their careers playing post 2006 passing inflation

>>74793105
throw in some beer and we have a deal

>>74793004
senpai there isn't a stat rodgers isn't impressive in
I'm not even a fudge packer but it's hard to deny he's fucking impressive

>>74793077

keks

Will give u 5000 pesos for it.

>>74793070
value doesn't equal the cost of materials it takes to make something

>>74793018
if you can imagine an insurance company not wanting something stolen then the FBI cares

big ben needs to go
tired of my child hood team having a rapist qb

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>>74793115
nobody can make the kind of throws Rodgers can make
his arm strength compared to his accuracy is pretty close to unmatched

>>74793135
when thats its only use it does. we arent talking amputating an arm or something

>@AdamSchefter
>Competition committee wants to begin hiring full-time referees in time for the 2017 season, per @SeifertESPN.

>>74793147
And nobody can consistently miss the simple throws that Rodgers was with all that talent over a 10 game stretch dating back to last year

I remember him overthrowing 5 yard slants in the first Cowboys game

>>74793115
Peyton's passer rating post 2006 minus 2015: 101.2
Brady's passer rating post 2006: 102.5
Brees passer rating post 2006: 99.5

next you will tell me that these QBs had their prime pre 2007

>>74793163
I can dig this

>>74793112
>ESPN trying to push the Colin is being blackballed narrative hard.

He is though. It's up to you to decide if he deserves it.

>>74793150
No, it does not.

>>74793163
How is that not already a thing?

>>74793166
you literally have no idea what went wrong in the communication between a reciever and QB
I'm not defending rodgers, he started the season pretty awfully, but even last year when he had his "worst" season ever
he was still statistically better than most

>>74793150
you're an idiot

>>74793171
So almost virtually identical even though Rodgers has had great WR and Oline talent for most of his career in a division with the Lions and Bears defenses? Good to know

>>74793181
Are you telling me there is a concerted effort by the league to make sure no one signs him? Because that is what blackballed means, not "he rode the bench for two years due to terrible play therefore no one wants to sign him"

>>74793199
the league needs to maintain those millions upon millions in profits. cant give up any of it

>>74793166
lel did you literally start watching football last year?
Rodgers has a career of consistently being one of the most accurate QBs in the league but a 10 game stretch means he's shit?
every QB has a slump, just look at Brady in 2013 and early 2014

>>74793171
I'll admit Rodgers has been a more consistent regular season qb than Brady but Brady has more longevity and Post Season Accolades which make him better.

>>74793181
or hes just a really bad QB but i guess saying that would be waycist
>lost his job to blaine gabbert

>>74793221
You don't think there's any collusion among NFL owners? Really?

It's incredibly believable that he's been blacklisted.

>>74793228
Brady wasn't being compared to Michael Jordan by the retarded ass media and casual fans immediately after breaking that slump like Rodgers was

I'm not saying Rodgers is shit, just that he seems devoid of responsibility for his numerous post season chokejobs

>>74792988
The most impressive entry here is Steve Young

>>74793247
Only in the same way that Tebow has, that nobody wants a media circus for a 2nd string at best QB

>>74793244
>I'll admit Rodgers plays better during 16 games
>but Brady's teams wins games in the playoffs so Brady is superior
I'll say it once, and I'll say it again
USING TEAM ACCOLADES TO MEASURE INDIVIDUAL TALENT IS PANTS ON HEAD RETARDED

>>74793246
There are many bad QBs that have a job in this league. And many that have had less success in their career than Kaepernick

I'm not saying he's good, or that I'd want my team to sign him, but there's a pretty clear QB shortage in the NFL.

Picture this secondary for a moment

CB1: Butler
CB2: Gilmour
FS: McCourtney
SS: Harmon
Nickle: Revis
Dime heavy: Chung
Dime light: Rowe

>>74793251
the LARGE majority of the packers playoff losses have come on the last play of the game
Rodgers isn't on the field
their defense has been consistently shit since 2010-2011

>>74793253
this is true

Young > Montana

>>74793251
Bradys a great postseason QB and I wont argue that but those who say Rodgers is a postseason choker is pretty out of context with the realities of his playoff losses

>>74793247
nfl doesn't need to collude

he's a shell of himself, doesn't have the same physique or athleticism, was hated by his teammates even before his kneeling and isn't even good to have as a back up since his game is different from most pocket passers.

>>74793270
Butler is not that good, Gilmore is overrated, and Revis is old and bad.

>>74793270
>nickle Revis
good so he can get burned by much faster slot receivers?
this wouldn't be a good thing

>>74793288
So move Butler on the speed guy.

>>74793263
Postseason accolades are part of your resume as a quarterback, whether you like it or not.

>>74793275
Choking to shithawks was completely his fault for even letting it get to OT, and no matter which way you look at it that's one of the worst playoff chokes ever

>>74793297
and then revis is left on the outside to get burned by a faster/taller WR1?
Revis will retire

>>74793287
Good enough for Brady to hang 30 & have zero worries.

>>74793312
Ignore the Revis memers looking at his name and not knowing anything about football

>>74793267
The bad QBs that have a job don't have a huge media circus following them. Kaepernick does, and teams are not willing to deal with this to have an above average back up.

What works against him is also the fact that teams usually feel more comfortable with a back up who has a similar skillset to the starter.

>>74793308
yes, that ONE game was a complete meltdown of the entire team, I agree, the man isn't without fault.
My point is he doesn't deserve fault for every playoff loss, because he tends to play very well while the defense goes into prevent and gives up 35

>>74793321
He's just fat.

BB will slim him down.

>wanting to play hard for dumpster fire Jest

>>74793326
That's true and while he may need to score 40 to win (which is impossible to ask of) there is a problem when he puts up 21 and then somebody says the defense lost them the game

>libtards eternally asspained that kapernick is jobless
i fucking knew this would happen not long after he started his kneeling and im so glad it did

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>>74793247

Its more reality that he us not good enough to put up with his distracting BS.

Imagine you are an owner or coach even in the worst teams:

First, he is not that good and would be worst on a struggling team, so what does he bring you or help ypu with the $$$ you will psy him? Will he suddenly help u win an OWL the way he has played recently?

Second, he is a moron. Has proven it with his brainwashed political stance and dumb protest based on his life. Ypu want to hire a personal Idiot if you are a boss?

Third, even if tale a chance on first 2 he is a major distraction for any team. Will bring chaos instead of cohesion and leadership.

Lastly, there are orhers available that might also be chances, but dont bring all the other BS.

He declines the value of any team at this point. Amd he really is not a top QB to take any chance with.

>>74793347
I have no idea what your argument is
are you saying he should be expected to put up more than 21 every game?

So, >we all agree that Lynch to Oakland is objectively a good thing, right?

>>74793347
>when he puts up 21
he didnt fumble in the endzone or miss a field goal
only casuals who didnt watch that game think Rodgers played poorly

>>74793358
No matter how shit your defense is if your QB can only put up 21 you probably would have lost unless you're playing a bottom offense (which you more than likely will not in the playoffs)

>>74793375
>a fat, aging RB to an up and coming team
yeah, it'll slow down their development and keep the raiders a joke for a while
a good thing

>>74793354
He throws a blisteringly hot accurate ball.

This is not good.

>>74793383
No I'm not blaming the Falcons loss, just the numerous others like the 15-1 choke or the Niners game where people say the Packers lost exclusively thanks to their defense

>>74793390
*inaccurate

He throws 100mph heat with zero touch.

He's Daniel Bard with legs

>>74793398
do you actually watch football?
like I actually don't think you watch Packer football at this point.
even a fucking casual can watch a packer game and see how miserable the defense is, so what does that make you?
what's worse than a casual?
a cowboys fan?

>>74793399
Who's Daniel Bard without the legs?

>>74793263
>>74793303

also my main point was that Rodgers has only played around 60% as long as Brady has.

Will Rodgers numbers still look better than Brady's when he hits 235 starts? That remains to be seen.

Rodgers got to sit his first 3 years, so his numbers lack the typical rookie struggles. He's pretty much played in his prime for his whole career. Will Rodgers age as well as Brady? I kinda doubt it but who knows.

>>74793334
Revis started his career on the jets you new fag, thats where the original revis island comes from.Why did he try as a jet when he was younger? It's because he's finished now. you're as bad as packer fans thinking Lacy was eventually going to solve his weight issues.

>>74793411
Tony Romo

>>74793410
Whatever helps you rationalize Rodgers being unable to succeed go for it

I'll watch him lose in the playoffs 17-45 or something next year and see Packersfags say they would have won if the defense held the other team to 14

>>74793417
find me a single fucking packers fan that wanted them to resign Lacy
I'll wait

>Troy Aikman threw about 10% more TD's than interceptions in his career
>in the hall of fame
How? He has horrible stats

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>>74793389
>implying one RB in a committee can sink a whole team

Why are ABRs so delusional?

>>74793435
Cowboysfags and muh rings

>>74793357
>Second, he is a moron.

He's much more intelligent than all of you sperglords.

>>74793435
emmitt smith stole a lot of his tds and passing stats have been heavily inflated.

you can't compare passing numbers from the 90's to now.

>>74793426
see this isn't even an argument
you're just saying words in a random order.
Rodgers has led the packers to the playoffs 8 years in a row, with that statistically awful defense.
Unless you're saying that only 1 team can possibly have a succeed a year I think he's done pretty well

>>74793451
>tfw to smart to be starting qb

>>74793444
>wanting to sign an injury prone fat boy
mmkay
you and the seacuks

>>74793453
>Rodgers has led the packers to the playoffs 8 years in a row, with that statistically awful defense.
The Green Bay Packers have had an above average defense (both yards and scoring) in 5 out of the last 8 seasons.

>>74793453
*successful
>inb4 he calls out the typo because he literally has no argument

>>74793357
>muh distraction

Why does everyone fall for that ESPN-tier bullshit?

>>74793473
i agree with you most years but last year that secondary was shitty as fuck down the stretch

>>74793451
then why is he so stupid?

>>74793491
Why do you think he's stupid?

>>74792906
Rodgers needs to work on his timing efficiency with his receivers. He relies way too much on his scrambling to buy time for his receivers to get open. This makes for fantastic plays and drives, but it seems so wasteful. Are he and his receivers that bad at timing routes?

Think of how accomplished he could be if he modeled his game just a tad more like Brady's. Of course, the reason he may not do this is because he can't...

>>74793453
>2 championship games in 7 years
>Chokes one of them
>Probably wouldn't have won the other but couldn't make it a game at all

I guess for a division with the Lions and Bears that's supposed to be considered impressive

>>74793493
he jeopardized his own career

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>>74793431
even patriots homer lombardi doesn't want revis back. He's overweight and his body is breaking down(which is something the pats are well aware of from his tenure with him) and has concussion issues.

Bellichick doesn't think he can make it work as safety either.

>>74792552
He's never beaten the Patriots in the post season and both of his super bowl wins came in spite of him and not because of him

>>74793452
In his absolute BEST season he threw 14 ints

>>74793493
bad decision making. kneeling for a "cause" instead of actually doing something

>>74793495
have you seen the routes the packers run?
the offense is stale as fuck and receivers can't get open.
Rodgers has to wait for the play to break down so they can actually get separation
>modeled his game more like Brady's
do you mean Belichik? yes I would agree he's a significantly better coach than McCantCoach
>he can't
yes rodgers is incapable of dinking and dunking, good call

>>74793503
Maybe because he decided using his position to help gain equal rights for all US citizens was more important than using it to get more money.

You may disagree, you might not do the same, but that doesn't mean it's objectively stupid or wrong.

>>74792852
It's an item of financial value stolen and taken across state lines so it automatically goes to the FBI and the FBI has thousands of employees so its not like they took agents off a key political corruption case and told them to chase a football jersey.

>>74793511
14 INTs isn't that bad depending on how many TDs were also thrown.

If it were 14 TDs, however...

>>74793530
and then a week ago he says "haha jk im done kneeling plz hire me"

>>74793530
>to help gain equal rights for all US citizens

Which rights, specifically, were people lacking?

>>74793530
You don't have an argument and are now clearly trying to pretend like you were trolling the whole time. Get fucked.

>>74793511
yeah in an era where most teams still threw the ball down the field.

>>74793511
His Int% that season was 8th out of 25 qualified. Better than Warren Moon(10th), Jim Kelly(16th), and John Elway(25th).

again, you have to compare it to the context of the era he played in, and keep in mind they didn't try to throw in the red zone because they had emmitt smith.

The same way pat fags complained about blount robbing brady of td's? Emmitt smith did that to aikman every year of his career.

>>74793535
23 TD's I believe. He basically had a 3:2 ratio. That sucks

>>74793545
Due process and equal protection under the law. You should check out the 14th amendment to the Constitution, it's a good read.

>>74793590
Absolutely zero people were lacking that right, though.

No one, currently, is lacking that right; and no one was lacking it prior to Kaep's kneeling.

>>74793590
yea he really conveyed that by kneeling down

>>74793503
>>74793493

>Colin Kaepernick idiot Forrest

And for the Fake News BlackLiesMatter media created propaganda lying "political" movement.

Anybody that shills for BLM is either brainwashed by the media, or an idiot. For they/BLM only push mefia created lies, and often actual racism and fascism. For the $$$ of their "leaders". Who are thw servants of Anti-American globalist donors like (((George Soros))).

Colin proved he was a simpleminded sheep at best, and from his gated Mansion and upper classelite life his whole life no less.

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>>74793530
All people do have equal rights in the US but blacks tend to commit the most crime and therefore end up on the bad end of the police the most and I say this as a black person. These idiots play stupid games and win stupid prizes. I've never been in trouble with the police because I've never broken the law. It's not hard so I hate these retards who seem to want amnesty from being unable to do something as simple as not doing something that's illegal and whining about the consequences

>>74793582
You have no right to question his motives. What do you know? You're just some kid with assburgers posting on a Kyrgyzstani sheep-sheering imageboard.

>>74793247
Nah, he's not a good qb and he's cancer. Owners might be dumb enough to sign bad QBs, but not dumb enough to lose money.

>>74793621
him motive was media attention. nothing more nothing less why do you think he broke so easily and said hes going to stop kneeling?

>>74793633
And to top it off the retard didn't even vote

>>74793567
Blount was dogshit outside of 10 yards from the endzone, Smith actually took a load off of Aikman's shoulders

>>74793618
It's literally a fact that people of color get arrested and convincted of many crimes at a higher rate than white people. Drug possession is a good example of this.

>>74792582
Just go back to the old OT where first score wins, including FG. There, OT never lasts long.

>>74793518

It caused a lot of discussion around the issue and he also donated money to some charities.

>>74793633

>why do you think he broke so easily and said hes going to stop kneeling?

Because people stopped giving a fuck after the first two weeks?

There's little use continuing a protest that people don't care about anymore.

>>74793678
Any game in which a team can lose in overtime without ever having a possession is a disgrace. That's why they should use the college system.

>>74793664
>Blount was dogshit outside of 10 yards from the endzone
where do you people get this bollocks from?
between the 20s he had 888 yards at 4.3ypc

>>74792852
The jerseys themselves are worth more than say finding you if you went missing.

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Can we finally win the superbowl?

>>74793696
why would anyone look for him?

>>74793673
And people of color also tend to have multiple convictions for those crimes more often than whites in comparison. That also ignores the simple fact that possession of illegal drugs is a crime and if you're caught, you'll be arrested. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes

>>74793703
Only if you can get Chuck Bednarik back.

>>74793703
Lions will win the owl before the iggles do

>>74793726
as a packer fan this is probably true desu
granted that's still like 7~ years away

>Brett Maher
Redpill me on him

>>74793720
Like I said, what do you know? You have no evidence to support you're claim that's he's lying about his motives. You're only speculating.

Right now, name the top 5 players in your teams history that never played for a different team

>>74793693
Mason and Cannon were two of the best run blockers in the league last year, is 4.3 supposed to be considered that good?

>2.6 in the red zone

Oh so actually much more useless than I believed

>>74793664
smith led the league in tds 3 in 5 years though, playing with him made it a lot easier for the cowboys to win games but it makes harder to put up the volume numbers retards like you judge him for.


Is aikman the greatest ever? Certainly not but he was extremely good. He was a very gifted passer and showed up when he had too for the Cowboy playoff runs.

>>74793703
>too lazy to post orwell

>>74793777
trips confirm smeth magic

>tfw I love Tom Brady but hate the Patriots

>>74793720
I bet Kaepernick wasn't even smart enough to come up with that shit, it was all his agent.

>>74793808
You're still not making an argument, just speculating.

I'm sorry that you have assburgers and no empathy, and are unable to imagine anyone acting to help others.

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>>74793805
>calling Emmitt Smith smeth

Don't insult an all-time great with chiefposter autism.

>>74793720
yes, because it's not like people are spending 15 mil on backup QB's these days, that TOTALLY helped his career

>>74793847
These days backup qbs are considered a wise investment considering how many of them are made of glass now

>>74793764
Counting actives?
If not:
Ray Lewis
Ray Rice
Jonathan Ogden
Peter Boulware
Sergio Kindle :^)

If yes:
Suggs
Flacco
Sam Koch
Yanda
Tucker

>>74793860
What did he gain from doing it though?
Your argument doesn't even make sense.

See: >>74793847

>>74793836
Virtue signalling is in no way the same as empathy

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>Former Jets quarterback Geno Smith passed a physical and signed with the Giants.

>>74792448
>"I could be a starter on any other team!"
>NYJ: FA Chase Daniel visiting the Jets on Monday

We laughed at him but he was right all along

>>74793879
Welp, that's that, every NFL team has had a negro qb now

>>74793879
Lmao I love that pic
Mind if I save it?

>>74793892
yes, I did, it was a rebuttal to your stupid point

>>74793879
honestly upset about this

geno has a lot more talent than memers give him credit for and he got hurt each of the last two years so we couldn't see it.

I can already seeing the headlines saying
>geno can play all along! it was the jets fault!
even though he was given an opportunity but either got his jaw broke or tore his acl.

sigh

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>Mexican media person stole Brady's jersey

how the President is resisting the urge to shitpost on twitter is beyond me

>>74793838
Tbh with the Jew owner, Belichick being shady as fuck, that raging manlet kike Edelman, the dopehead retard Blount, all those crackhead dindu DBs they've had from Harrison and Law to Talib and Browner, the fact they play in a backwater hamlet surrounded by cow dung and that dumbshit fanbase, there's really not too much to like about the Pats.

But Tom Brady? Literally the greatest success story in sports, how can anyone hate the GOAT?

Lynch wanting to join the Raiders is such a non story. Was the offense even remotely the problem last season? With that diarrhea defense, the raidniggers aren't winning shit

>>74793839
>o-line babby
>all-time great
Sure thing buddy

Remember that time the Jaguars put up 67 on Miami during Marino's last game?

>>74793966
62*

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jeeez the draft is still a month away. still gotta wait a month to not hear the vikings announce a pick on thursday.

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>>74793911
a little, yeah
>>74793928
le perfect passer rating man

>>74793928

If he's not a top 10 QB then it doesn't really matter

>There's a legitimate chance that there will be an NFL team with Allen Robinson, Allen Hurns, Marqise Lee, Tashaun Gipson, Jalen Ramsey, AJ Bouye, Malik Jackson, Calais Campbell, Myles Jack, Telvin Smith, and Leonard Fournette all on the same team

Fucking surreal

>>74794091
He's not even top 30

>>74794101
>Myles Jack
That guy is a literal bust, he plays like total shit.

>>74794101
And they still won't win shit. Just picture that.

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>>74794101
>mentioning marqise lee like he matters

>>74794101
>Malik Jackson
>Telvin Smith
>Myles Jack
In what world are these players something worth bragging about

>>74794131
He hardly even plays though

He's going to be the starting OLB this year though

>>74794201
They're gonna get buttfucked. I remember watching his college type and I didn't understand where the hype is coming from, he was only semi-good in coverage while sucker absolute cock as a pass rusher and run defender, also pretty weak taking on blocks.

>>74794050
>Kurt Warner's story edges that
Kurt Warner only won one ring though.

>>74794143
wasnt he much improved this year?

he'd probably look better if bortles didn't throw like a girl

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>>74794101
>Led by this guy

>>74793950
Too busy with the retarded libs press conference still trying to blame Russia for losing

>>74794242
Is Bortles a nigger or some kind of Pacific islander? He sure doesn't look white.

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>>74794101
Never forget

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>>74794237
he was better, but hurns only played 11 games and still caught the same number of TDs. lee only has 5 TDs in 3 years, and considering how much the jaguars throw the ball, that's bad.
>>74794270
bortles' caveman face kind of ruins this

>>74794266
Irish

I have to admit something. I like the Jaguars uniform more than any other New uniform in the Nike era

>>74794280
Fully Irish? I'm getting some major Junior Seau vibes from him.

>>74794279
Lee hardly played leading up to last year though, so it's not really that sad. It's widely accepted that he's a better receiver than Allen Hurns

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>>74794279

>>74792839
>Inb4 HURR Fournette will never go that low because no player in NFL history has ever been drafted lower than expected
Nice false equivalence dumbass. Draft tumbles happen all the time but they aren't random and Fournette has no reason to tumble. High character, elite talent, plenty of teams ahead in the draft looking for RBs, you're kidding yourself thinking he's going to drop to 15.

>>74794334
>Fournette
>high character
Oh wow.

>>74794342
Brady went from a chubby shitter who couldn't get the starting job in college and went almost undrafted, to unseating Joe Montana as the eternal GOAT.

Would you rather take the Qb who is guaranteed to play at the level of Matt Hasselbeck, or take the risk and have a 25% chance of Tom Brady/75% chance of Ryan Leaf?

>>74794344
>memeposting when you have nothing to say
kys

>>74794370
what draft round is it?

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>251

>>74794382
first

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>>74794326
hurns isn't really that good though. he had a good year in 2014, and benefitted from bortles balling out in garbage time in 2016. lee is better, but he's still not anything other than a pretty good WR, nothing special. robinson is the only elite player the jags have on offense
>>74794334
not to mention that the eagles won the coin flip lol. if fournette is on the board at 14 howie will sprint to the podium.

>>74794370
Depends on the round and the QB situation breh. Spending the #1 pick? I'd take Hasselbeck. Second rounder? Depends if I have a QB already on the roster as a good enough stopgap or an elite one close to retirement, if so I'll take the chance on a potential Brady. Late round? I'll take the chance either way.

I haven't been following the nfl at all for the past year. is there any kind of realistic chance that corey davis falls to the eagles at 14?

>>74794370
I'm a Houston Texans fan and our team has done both. Repeatedly. These are the only two types of quarterbacks this team has ever drafted.

... And I gotta tell you, with our O-Line, I'll take Hasselbeck.

>>74794374
He bailed out on his team before bowl game, spent more time enjoying expensive cars and jewelry than practicing and was already making kids before his freshman year. I have no fucking idea where you're getting this high character bullshit with him.

>>74794400
Let's assume you're a QB needy team that's decidedly average in most aspects

>>74794395
Exactly, plenty of teams would give their left nut to draft Fournette. The Eagles will have to jump ahead of the Panthers if they want him though.

>>74794403
sure, it would depend on the QB situation though.
>>74794407
>He bailed out on his team before bowl game
most retarded shit in the universe. he's playing for a college team to go to the NFL, not to win the fucking citrus bowl. they won handily without him anyway iirc.

>>74794407
Risking your future for a bowl game is fucking stupid breh, I'd have done the same thing and not given it a second thought.
>spent more time enjoying expensive cars and jewelry
lol kill yourself low test beta bitchboi

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So, what if I were to tell you Malcolm Butler is a faggot and Kraft and Belicheck don't want a Gay player who is very anti-Trump on the team?

>>74794428
If you pull that shit in college you will pull that shit in the pros, though. LSU has always had problems with players who were either lazy, unmotivated or straight up not in the game mentally. J-Russ, Mingo and Montgomery come to mind.

>>74794359
I guess it depends on one's definition of success story

Warner was more unlikely to ever play in the nfl, but brady achieved much more.

also I think Bart Starr and Warren Moon should be thrown in the discussion too as great qb success stories.

>>74794440
Give you a sixth round pick for him

>>74794437
Nigger detected

>>74793957
The defense was bad more because of shitty scheming from a retarded defensive coordinator than personnel. The Raiders had the DPOY for fuck's sake.

They've already started covering their tracks on Ken Norton by hiring John Pagano as an assistant coach. If Norton continues eating shit, he'll get fired and Pagano will take over.

I don't understand how is Fournette even a top 15 prospect? Complete one trick pony compared to say Zeke Elliott, you need a RB you can utilize in the passing game in the modern NFL and Fournette just isn't that. He was also pretty inconsistent and frequently played like ass against tough opponents like Alabama, faggot has bust written all over him.

>>74794405
>450 yards, 2 tds in super bowl 51
Nobody believes your false flagging

>>74794395
VERY fast Jew running at incredbly hgih speed

>>74794447
Tyrann Mathieu, Odell Beckham, Jarvis Landry, Danielle Hunter, all LSU players in the past few years. Don't be an idiot.
>J-Russ
Couldn't have been the JaMarcus was just stupid and had shit mechanics, it had to have just been laziness
Fuck off kid, let the adults talk

>>74794447
>If you pull that shit in college you will pull that shit in the pros, though.
no? he skipped the bowl game because he had been dealing with nagging injuries all season and wanted to be healthy for the combine, so he could GET INTO THE PROS. he's not going to play without effort in the NFL, they're paying him millions of dollars. skipping the bowl game is actually an indicator that he cares more about the NFL than anything else.
>>74794472
t. person who has never watched leonard fournette play

>>74794472
lol at least Bama is an elite defense. Zeke got shut down by fucking Michigan State.

>>74794482
>t. person who has never watched leonard fournette play
So an asspull ad hominem instead of an actual argument that would prove me wrong? I paid close attention to him ever since he was the #1 recruit in the country, way before he became a highly touted prospect in the pros.

>>74794508
Zeke put 250 yards on Bama defense in the Sugar Bowl.

>>74793692
Score on defense if you want to win so badly.

>>74794512
I don't think you understand what ad hominem means
>>74794482
Did you see my rationale for a trade to the Jets to get fournette but it will only occur IF jags pass

>>74794512
what running back has done great against bama?

>>74794512
why do you think i HAVE to engage your retarded "argument"? if you actually watched fournette in college, especially his last year, you would know that he produced despite being the only offensive weapon on his team and facing 8 man fronts. since becoming a starter, he rushed for under 90 yards only twice, once against bama and another time against florida.

fournette isn't a weapon in the passing game, that much is true. but if you really can't see why he's rated so highly despite that, i'm just gonna assume you haven't watched him at all.

>>74794538
>>74794524

>>74793692
>The system where the 2nd team has an advantage because of the first not knowing whether or not to employ 4 down territory is much better than the current one

Please just shut the fuck up already or actually think before you post

meme players from this draft
christian mccaffrey
oj howard
fournette
deshaun watson
all these players are 100% busts

>>74794472
How the fuck is Leonard Fournette inconsistent?

>>74794524
He pads his stats against shit teams in the NFL putting up a shit ton on teams with shit defenses like the miners bears Bengals browns etc
He gets shit production against division opponents
He's also an over confident uppity nig due for a slump
He will never be as good as based bell

>>74794546
LSU offense is actually stacked on almost every position aside from the QB, which is where they sucked for almost a decade with the exception of Mettenberger. That O-Line is beastly and both Dupree and Dural were extremely talented but underutilized.

>why do you think i HAVE to engage your retarded "argument"?
You replied to me first you faggot.

>>74794546
can running backs become better pass catchers in the pro?

I know Peterson hasn't but i dont know if thats just him.

>>74794576
>
Some bold ass claims my guy, any proof to back it up?

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>>74792944
>When your shitty phone made OC gets posted
Feels nice

>>74794586
>he gets shit production against division opponents
He only played like shit in the first two games in the season which isn't unheard of for a rookie. Emmitt Smith looked like a total bust after his first 5 games.

>>74794592
It's not necessarily that Fournette isn't good at catching passes, we just haven't seen him do much of it at LSU. It's more an unknown about him than an actual deficiency in his game.

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>>74794576
>OJ Howard
>Deshaun Watson
Fair enough
>McCaffrey
Doubt.jpeg
>Fournette
Because of injury not lack of talent

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>>74794608
Iktfb

>>74794581
>40 yards 3.3 ypc against Florida
>35 yards 2.1 ypc against Bama
>31 yards 1.6 ypc against Bama

But wow he put videogame numbers on shitty Auburn and Eastern Michigan so he must be the GOAT!

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>>74794576
>Most versatile player in the entire draft who had a fantastic combine aside from bench press is a bust because he's white

>>74794395
Hurns was overachieving as an UDFA before Robinson even came on. He and Robinson both won games for the Jags in 2015 and in 2016 I'd say Hurns was more impressive when he was actually playing than Robinson, who stopped trying after the bye

Hurns could still start on most teams desu, the WR crop in the NFL is too talented for him to be a Pro Bowler though

>>74794590
>aside from the QB
aka the most important position on offense? lmfao you must be an actual retard. LSU's QB in 2016 averaged less than 60% completion and threw for 11 TDs the entire year. dupree is a good receiver, but when the dude who is throwing the ball is that garbage defenses are just going to key in on the run game. fournette had absolutely no threat of a passing game to help him out, and he still averaged 6.5 ypc in his limited time on the field. the team zeke was on when they beat bama was better across the boards than the teams fournette has gone up against bama with.
>>74794592
it's not that he can't catch really, more that he never did it. whether that's because of the horrendous passing attack or because of his playing style we don't know yet. good blocker though.

>>74794650
meme =/= bust

>>74794649
you literally picked his only three bad games in his two years at LSU. kill yourself.

>>74794650
He's a 10 touch a game player

>>74794668
He literally said at the bottom of his post that he was 100% a bust

>>74794650
absolute best he will ever be is danny woodhead

>>74794667
>aka the most important position on offense?
This is college not the NFL you fucktard, you can get away with having a bad QB if you have a beastly OL and a great defense. Bama has been playing with total shit for QBs for a while now and they're making the playoffs every year.

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>>74794679
sorry

>>74794670
Yeah and coincidentally two of those three garbage games came against the one actually great defense he played. Just pure coincidence!

how is kameer aiken still a FA?

>>74794695
Bama also keeps chugging out NFL-level talent every single year. LSU sure as shit ain't Bama

>>74794695
>keys in on one part of the post
>ignores literally every single other point i made
yeah i think we're done here. try actually refuting the claim that LSU's godawful passing offense led to fournette facing stacked boxes (that he still produced against) and maybe we can get somewhere. fournette is a ridiculous athlete, and if your only argument for him being a bust is that he didn't produce against the best defense in college putting 7 or 8 men up front to specifically gameplan for him, then there's not much i can do for you.

>>74794692
wood head went undrafted while mccaffrey likely goes in the first round

Belichick might like Revis as a future coach. He could also serve as a good man off the bench if the price was right. Better for Revis to hang em ip tho.

>>74794733
whats your point?

>>74794743
he's a different player and prospect
#notallwhitepeople

>>74794673

Yeah no shit he's a wideout/some qb's check down babby

>>74794724
LSU has pretty Bama-tier recruiting, it's unreal how talented those teams are. Their problem has always been motivation, you can see that with Mingo and Montgomery admitting they lazied it out and took plays off whereas the likes of Allen and Foster at Bama give it their 100% on every play. They also send A LOT of talented players to the NFL, completely comparable with Bama.

Had Les Miles not been a complete faggot when it comes to motivation they would've won at least two more natties under him.

>>74794765
And there isn't a team that can justify taking that in the first two rounds

Tell me about Jelani Jenkins

>>74794717
This is just a stupid argument. Le'Veon Bell constantly got shut down by Ohio State, I guess he's a bust now?

>>74794692
He's more like white Darren Sproles. Equating Woodhead to McCaffrey is like equating a Yugo to a Ferrari.

>>74794774
He was good in 2014, but not great since, and always injured

>>74794765
>taking a check down meme white running back with a first round pick in the year 2017
there are a lot of players who can do that

>>74794777
Fuck off Stoolerfag, nobody cares about your meme players.

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>>74794782
white brian westbrook maybe. he's much bigger than sproles.

>>74794797
good argument

>>74794771

Oh they will justify it, they pick worse shit all the time.

I get your point, but someone will do it. If he wasn't Ed's son he would be a 3rd + though.

>>74794786

Yeah but only certain teams can do it because they don't run it correctly. They'll try to fix bad offense with a good player.

>>74794798
sproles manlet status probably helps him be shifty DESU

>>74794822
What's a desu?

>>74794786
>thinks "checkdown" is a synonym for short pass
Stop doing that, faggot.

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>>74794821
he was the heisman runner up and he has the meme all purpose record. even if his last name was goldberg he'd go in the first two rounds, let's be serious.
>>74794822
ofc

You now realize that Nelson Agholor had the least amount of drops of any of the 3 starting Eagles WR in 2016

>>74794839
I find that very hard to believe

>>74794847
It goes DBG>JMatt>Aghoshit

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>>74794839
yes, because he sucked so bad that he stopped being targeted as the season went on. he was garbage nevertheless.

>>74794839
eagles are putting him in a position to fail because he's chips guy.

hell be great with a good team/qb

>>74794834

Teams don't give a shit about all purpose anymore because they wont let star players return kicks.

But yeah he will. But because they think he's the GOAT WR. While he is white, his dad was a pro, which makes him like mulatto in NFL scouts eyes.

>>74794858
who was the last 1st round receiver to bust as hard as agholor

I cant even remember

>>74794879

Heyward Bey?