NFL GENERAL - RIP TRAY WALKER EDITION (8/5/92 - 3/18/16)

reminder that a Brady-Rodgers owl will never happen because the two qbs are never clutch during the same seasons

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>implying the seahawks will give lynch to the raidurrs for a fucking 7th round pick

you're giving up a 3rd minimum

>>74750085
Brady vs Brees would be better since Brees always knew how to beat the Pats/Brady. Shame the dumbshit Saints are wasting his talent by having him play on a no defense team.

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This needs to be updated

>>74750095
>implying Based Reggie won't pull off his magic

>>74750085
You are now aware of the MLB's Brady Rogers

>>74750095
Not a fan of either team and that guy is literal dogshit now, why would the Raiders even want him is beyond me.

>>74750095
>3rd round for a washed up over the hill runner who hasn't played for a year

>>74750394
I don't watch beanerswing

>>74750544
it's not like the seahawks are shopping him though. the raiders have expressed a very real interest in signing lynch, and the seahawks still own his rights, and have paid him a fair amount of money despite him retiring early. they want to get something back for him, and they have all the leverage.

>>74750516
He's a huge raiders fan, he's a great power run guy, and he's gonna be behind a monster OL

A 3rd round for Lynch+Sherman would be fair

>>74750722
I'd lose my shit if Oakland got Sherman AND Lynch, I'd be in the hospital for passing out due to blood loss from the erection that would inevitably give me

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Threadly reminder it's
>/our year/

>>74750609
he'll also be 31.5 years old and rusty

>>74750835
stop

>>74750835
You have no QB and no Wentz isn't good.

Gotta love the Seacucks finally imploding

>>74750835
you might go 9-7 if you get lucky

>>74750883
It's bound to happen. They fought long but their bloated contracts and O line penny pinching finally crushed them.

This is why should never overpay your players no matter how good they are.

>>74750916
You should invest into O-line, always. Remember how the Falcons were only drafting skill players and they were literal dogshit for years, now they finally drafted/signed some linemen and suddenly Matt Ryan goes from trash to MVP caliber over one year and they're playing (choking) in the owl.

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Would this make the Eagles' offense the best in the NFC?

>>74750883
>imploding
how?

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>>74750835
>>74750849
iggles and viqueens fans always claim it's /our/ year during the offseason, who wins between the two?

Also, why do the iggles and viqueens have zero superbowls? Is this why they are so insecure during the offseason?

>>74751153
this is a sneaky post

>>74751125
>Conor McDermott
No, he's >ours

>>74751125
first of all, mike williams does the EXACT SAME THINGS as alshon jeffery. we're not spending our first rounder on a copy of the guy we just spent $14 million on. second, sidney jones isn't even going to be able to play in 2017, and he might not ever be the same player again. fuck off with drafting him. the fact that you only drafted 1 CB who can start in 2017 in the entire draft when we have zero starting-quality CBs on the roster right now is concerning.
>>74751153
fuck off, jesus

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>mfw the NFL is dropping the investigation now

Fucking finally.

>>74751153
>Brings up "muh superbowls"
>Doesn't say anything about the current year
hmmm

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>>74751125
If by Mike Williams you meant Corey Davis, sure! But we're going Corner for the first 3 rounds

>>74751153
Lets talk about the Eagles offseason for the past 2 seasons
>2015
-Signed a bunch of homegrown talent to long term deals, as well as extended guys like Malcolm Jenkins
-Picked up quality free agents like Brandon Brooks, Nigel Bradham, and Rodney McLeod, as well as moves that looked smart in McKelvin and the Green-Beckham trade
-Made shrewd trades to not only get Carson Wentz, but rid ourselves of Byron Maxwell and Kiko Alonso
-Traded Sam Bradford for a first round pick
Sounds like a quality offseason to me
>2016
>Signed Alshon Jeffrey, Torrey Smith, Chance Warmack, and all around bolstered their offense where it needed it most
So far so good. Now if they address Corner in the draft we'll be even better set. Not necessarily for 2017, but for the long haul

At least that's the hope of it all

inb4 the Saints trade the 3rd round pick they acquired from Pats and a 5th round pick for Richard Sherman

>>74751315
kek i watched this podcast. he actually did start talking about aliens and pyramids after the joint iirc
>>74751519
no way sherman goes for that little lol

>>74751551
His cap is 13m for the next two seasons.

>>74751551
Alex Jones was right desu. After 2016, Nothing is too crazy to be true

>>74751551
Sherman isn't worth a 1st round anymore, this isn't 2013.

>SHERMAN ISN'T EVEN GOOD SYSTEM BABBY EXPOSED

rumored to be available for trade

>QUICK GET HIM FOR A 3RD ROUNDER

>>74749992
As OP images go, this is simultaneously amusing and irritating as fuck.

Good job.

>>74751572
doesn't matter. if he does end up getting traded, it'll be for at least one first rounder, maybe some additional stuff in the form of late round picks or players.
>>74751633
still one of the top corners in the league, and the seahawks aren't stupid. if they actually trade him this offseason, they know they can reload in a DB-heavy draft. you can argue that that lowers his value, but teams prefer proven assets. not to mention that the reason to trade sherman would be to shore up problem areas on the team, something they can't do unless he brings backa sizable haul.

>>74751658
It's has more to do with his contract, which has a lot of guaranteed money.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000793656/article/jared-cook-wants-to-buy-no-89-off-amari-cooper

>>74751712
29 years old, due 13m for each of the next two seasons.

Butler is 27 and will sign a new contract, I think that also lowers Sherman's value. You can have Butler for fourish years or Sherman for two.

>>74751712
>Seahawks aren't stupid
I beg to differ

>>74750085
Rodgers is never clutch any season lol.

>>74751805
not saying he's as attractive as he would have been in 2014 or something. but he's still a large corner, something that's a rarity in the league, and a proven high-level performer.

bringing butler into the mix is a little silly as well, considering that you'd have to work out a trade with the pats or pay a first rounder anyway with his tender. and i think you're underestimating the sherman market. for example, the raiders currently have $38 million in cap space this year, and have expressed interest in lynch. could they send their first rounder and maybe a 4th rounder to seattle for lynch and sherman? possibly. am i saying it's going to happen? no. but it's certainly something that should be considered, and they're far from the only team who has money to burn and missed out on the CBs on the FA market this offseason.

>>74750202
>Brees always knew how to beat the Pats/Brady.
Brady is 2-1 vs Brees
Retard

>>74751971
Source: your anus. Brees is 3-1 agsinst Brady.

>>74751754
It would be funny

>>74751971
what? brees is 3-1 versus brady.

>moving into new place
>going to splurge and buy NFL Sunday Ticket
>can't get Sunday Ticket without buying the rest of Direct TV

How do you watch your teams if they're out of market? It's looking like another year of listening to the radio.

>>74752016
>>74752033
Nonono
You're wrong

>>74751153
Tfw you see others post the memes you made

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>>74752060
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200209290sdg.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200510020nwe.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200911300nor.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201310130nwe.htm

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>>74752060

>>74752172
>>74752207
>making fake stats and box scores
Cmon guys

>>74752172
>>74752207
leaf BTFO

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>>74752218

>>74752207
Mayo being the bandwagon faggot that he is didn't even know Brees used to play for the Chargers.

>>74752207
>>74752172
t. CNN

Anyone have those silly brandin cooks wembs of his 98 yard score?

>>74752254
>>74752261
This is literally fake news

>>74752270
>siding with a Canadian ever
You have to go back

>>74752282
That was a good day

>>74752261
Thank god they donated him to N'awlins

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>>74752288

>>74752041
>Radio

Is your Internet too shit to stream or what?

>>74752254
Brees is an absolute madman, look how he baited that faggot safety with the pump fake.

>>74752304
Listen, the Leaf is taking the Mexican Refugee crisis off our hands. they NEED this

>>74752337
Is there a way to get a radio feed with TV video?

>>74752041
I haven't had a TV for over a decade, just watching HD streams.

>>74752337
Eh, normally I'd rather listen to a crisp radio stream than a shitty video stream. Been looking into the international GamePass using a VPN or something.

>>74752369
Some smartphones have FM Radio enabled you can try an app called NextRadio, doesn't need data or Wifi, just the FM chip

>>74752403
Preferring to listen to football on radio is pants on head retarded. I'd understand baseball, but football?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/18/bills-finally-sign-andre-holmes/

Fug

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>>74752282
probably my greatest achievement

NFC East
1. Giants 12-4
2. Cowboys 9-7
3. Eagles 8-8
4. Redskins 5-11

NFC North
1. Packers 12-4
2. Vikings 8-8
3. Lions 7-9
4. Bears 4-12

NFC West
1. Seahawks 11-5
2. Cardinals 8-8
3. Rams 6-10
4. 49ers 5-11

NFC South
1. Falcons 12-4
2. Bucs 10-6
3. Panthers 8-8
4. Saints 6-10

AFC East
1. Patriots 14-2
2. Dolphins 8-8
3. Bills 7-9
4. Jets 2-14

AFC North
1. Steelers 13-3
2. Bengals 7-9
3. Ravens 7-9
4. Browns 6-10

AFC West
1. Raiders 11-5
2. Chiefs 9-7
3. Chargers 8-8
4. Broncos 7-9

AFC South
1. Texans 11-5
2. Titans 10-6
3. Colts 7-9
4. Jags 3-13

>>74752477
I'm also an oldfag who has terrible luck finding decent streams. Wish NFL wasn't so shitty with how they show games.

I normally just listen on my phone. It really sucks, but I think I'm used to it. Was too poor in high school to ever watch Browns games, so I always listened to them on internet radio.

>>74752565
every goddamn time!

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>>74752565
here's a 99 yard TD from brady to welker, if you want something to do today

>>74752589
Literally go on reddit. Not even joking now.

>>74752585
Not bad desu

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>>74752565
I can't find the super speedy version, I must have deleted it, but someone else probably has it

Here is a consolation prize

>>74752609
maybe

>>74752589
>>74752648
/r/nflstreams is a quality place since there's literally no discussion

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>>74752674

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Matt Brees
Drew Ryan

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>>74752732
Post rare Drews

>>74752693
Haven't tried again in years, I'll look.

Thanks from a Browns fan in the heart of Wisconsin.

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>>74752754

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>>74752754

I feel like it's less Brees vs Brady and more that Payton is one of the few coaches whose offensive coaching can outwit Belichick.

Fuck, we need a Pats/Saints Owl to see those two coaches match up. In a dome, ideally, so both teams can unleash full power.

>>74752585
>Bengals
>not dead last

>>74752847
This desu. Besides Dalton (who regressed big time) they aren't even better than the Brownies now.

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>>74752709
there it is

>>74752609
doesn't work as well because of the angle, but here ya go

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>>74752901

>>74752927
these are gay and so are the raiders owl chances

>>74753015
these faces are actually believable for niggers

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>>74753001
ur gay, leave my gf alone

>>74752033
Brees is a weird QB, winning record against the Pats but a losing record against the Rams.

NFC East
1. Eli Manning 62% 30 TDs 15 INTs 4,300 yards
2. Carson Wentz 63% 27 TDs 16 INTs 4,200 yards
3. Kirk Cousins 65% 23 TDs 14 INTs 4,000 yards
4. Dak Prescott 62% 20 TDs 15 INTs 3,500 yards

NFC North
1. Aaron Rodgers 68% 34 TDs 7 INTs 4,300 yards
2. Matt Stafford 61% 27 TDs 17 INTs 4,600 yards
3. Mike Glennon 58% 21 TDs 17 INTs 3,200 yards
4. Sam Bradford 66% 19 TDs 10 INTs 3,200 yards

NFC South
1. Drew Brees 68% 36 TDs 17 INTs 4,900 yards
2. Matt Ryan 64% 30 TDs 13 INTs 4,700 yards
3. Jameis Winston 61% 28 TDs 14 INTs 4,700 yards
4. Cam Newton 60% 24 TDs 15 INTs 3,600 yards

NFC West
1. Russell Wilson 64% 27 TDs 14 INTs 4,100 yards
2. Carson Palmer 61% 25 TDs 17 INTs 4,000 yards
3. Jared Goff 60% 21 TDs 18 INTs 3,600 yards

AFC East
1. Tom Brady 65% 41 TDs 9 INTs 4,400 yards
2. Ryan Tannehill 63% 25 TDs 13 INTs 4,000 yards
3. Tyrod Taylor 61% 21 TDs 10 INts 3,400 yards

AFC North
1. Ben Roethlisberger 64% 30 TDs 14 INTs 4,200 yards
2. Andy Dalton 61% 26 TDs 19 INTs 3,500 yards
3. Joe Flacco 59% 23 TDs 16 INTs 3,700 yards

AFC South
1. Andrew Luck 60% 30 TDs 15 INTs 4,500 yards
2. Marcus Mariota 68% 27 TDs 10 INTs 3,700 yards
3. Blake Bortles 59% 24 TDs 16 INTs 4,100 yards

AFC West
1. Phillip Rivers 64% 32 TDs 16 INTs 4,700 yards
2. Derek Carr 65% 30 TDs 10 INTs 4,200 yards
3. Alex Smith 64% 24 TDs 8 INTs 3,500 yards
4. Trevor Simian 61% 20 TDs 15 INTs 3,400 yards

>>74753032
Never once beat the Ravens.

>>74750587
seahawks are wishy washy and emotional thoug so they might grant him his release just because

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I'm bored

>>74753067
That one is easily explainable though, Brees is completely dependent on the interior line holding up and Ravens were able to wreak havoc on that shit with the likes of Ngata.

>>74753143
sean payton is also a retarded defensive coach so if the saints don't score 30 points in a game they often lose.

>>74753066
That seems low yardage for Ben, Flacco also seems to be posting more yards and cpt% lately. Other than that, it's pretty good.

>>74753188
With Ben, I'm factoring his annual 4 game injury.

>>74752732
Matt brees looks like a mutant
Drew ryan looks like he's worked a checkout since he was 15 but he's so darn optimistic it's not killed him inside.

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Losing holmes stings lads..

>>74753163
Payton is not a defensive coach at all, he never coached defense in his life.

>>74753216
;_:

>>74753211
Matt Brees kinda looks like Carson Palmer.

>>74753216
Santonio still played?

>>74753245
kind of a retarded thing to nitpick, but w/e. my point was that he literally does not care about defense, so if a team holds brees and co. to under their usual output, they often win.

>>74753288
Blame the DC for that not Payton, he doesn't coach or playcall defense. You can blame him for picking shitty defensive players in the draft though.

Which fanbase is more delusional, the Eagles or the Cowboys?

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>>74753066
>Aaron Rodgers 68% 34 TDs 7 INTs 4,300 yards

>>74753317
i would blame mickey loomis for giving terrible extensions to people like junior galette and jairus byrd, while letting their only good secondary players walk. also hiring rob ryan, that was pretty awful.

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>>74753216
I know, who will help King out now :(

>>74753373
What's his basic statline every year. Maybe I put his yard mark a bit too high, it should be 4,200 yards

>>74753397
Agreed, Mickey Loomis is an imbecile. This goes way beyond just Galette and Byrd though, he's been doing it for over a decade, which is the reason why the Saints had maybe one or two good defensive years with Brees at best.

>Rob Ryan
He was bad, but nowhere near as bad as Spagnuolo. That was the retard sign of the century.

>>74752041
If you get direct tv for the first time you get Sunday ticket for free

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>>74753407
Love the little guy

>>74753494
>>74753015
>>74752927
>>74752905
>>74752732
haha epic meme my friend. You have my upvote ^_^

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>>74753669

Cowboys fan here, I never saw an episode of Seinfeld

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pls Ted

PATRIOTS

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>>74751519
>Saints picking up another bloated contract after carrying so many other bloated contracts for so many years they're in perpetual cap hell
>and for a soon-to-be 29 year-old corner coming off an injury-plagued season
Is that you Mickey Loomis? No wonder the Saints are shit

>According to reports Walker was riding at night without a helmet, had no headlights on, and was wearing dark clothing.

What a fucking dope. I see black people and spics doing this all the time, biking without helmets, lights, or reflective clothing. What is it, do they all think wearing that stuff hurts their street cred?

As a Cowboys fan, I hope the R*dskins lock up Cousins for a looong time at a biig cost. He's easily the most overrated, overpaid scrub in league history

>>74754931
Dez is more overrated.

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>>74754953
nope.

>>74754953
this tbqh

>>74754931
t. skip

the redskins were shit before kirk cousins so why do you want them the first qb to give them consecutive winning seasons since the 90's

>>74754993
>Shits hitch their wagon to Cousins
>Cousins can only play with extreme mediocrity as he always has
>Shits now can't afford other players to put around him
>Horrendous at drafting, they're unable to get young guys around him as well
>12 coaches, 9 GMs later it's the 2019 season opener

>>74755039
>>Cousins can only play with extreme mediocrity as he always has
were you just asleep the last two seasons or something?

>>74755057
He can't beat teams that are good, and he can't pass well against good pass defenses. He pads his stats against joke defenses and teams

>>74755086
do you have any stats to back up these assertions, or are you just talking out of your ass?

>>74755086
His only bad game last season was against the Browns though.

>>74755138
Kirk Cousins’ starting record: 19-21-1

Cousins’ record against teams with 9+ wins: 2-11

Teams with 8+ wins: 5-13

>>74755189

This past year his team played a first-place schedule as a result of the Redskins winning the division, meaning that Washington had to play all the other division champions in 2015; Minnesota, Carolina, and Arizona.

Washington ended up 1-2 against those teams, but combined their record on the season was 21-26-1, none finishing with a winning record.

When the team made the playoffs in 2015, they were playing a fourth place division schedule, going against Chicago, Tampa Bay, and the then St. Louis Rams. They went 3-0, but the combined record of the three teams was 19-29. Against teams with winning records, they were an abysmal 0-4.

>>74754891
Not wearing a helmet was pretty dumb but I don't see the sense in needing to wear light colors or have reflective lights on a dirt bike in Miami, even at night. There's so many street lights everywhere you have to have pretty shitty vision to not see a person on a bike.

>>74755253
again though, the redskins have been really shit for a long time and cousins has at least given them respectable records the last two seasons.

I don't see the point of getting rid of Cousins unless they have a solid Plan B, and no, 30 year old Colt Mccoy isn't a franchise qb waiting to be unleashed.

>>74755306
>there were street lights so you shouldnt need light clothing or reflective lights on your small bike

exactly, why do cars in miami need headlights or rear lights either? i mean they are way bigger than bikes, you would have to be pretty blind to not see a car in the dark

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Whose winning the superb owl
And why is it the raiders?

>>74755351
Getting rid of cousins gives them the tank, and the tank opens the door to getting a franchise passer through the draft. With Cousins getting a long term contract they'd be stuck with him for longer, making them a paper tiger for longer, especially considering a Washington contract would be a nightmare to get out of.

>>74755371
raiders have not win shit in over 30 years

>>74755405
tanking is a meme

you don't need a number one overall pick to build a championship team.

>>74755352
It's not dark though, is my point. It's night but in a bright ass city. I used to go cycling at 3 am and nobody ever had any trouble seeing me.

>>74755371
because shit teams win the superb owl all the time

>>74755457
You have a better shot at finding your QB early in the draft than you do later. For every Toom Brady or Tony Romo there's a Roethlisberger, Matt Ryan, Cam Newton, Philip Rivers, Aaron Rodgers, and Matt Stafford taken early

>>74751754
>guy that'll have two catches per game wants to buy jersey off guy with 7 catches per game

>>74755520
Rodgers was taken 25th overall though, Flacco 18th, Brees in the 2nd, Wilson in the 3rd. Only guy taken high in the draft that has won a superb owl in recent memory was Eli.

>>74755520
packers drafted rodgers 24th overall with favre still on the roster.

Big Ben was the third qb taken in the draft, whom the steelers traded up for, they didn't tank for him.

first round qbs only have around a 50% success rate, so to pass on a proven commodity like cousins is dumb. At worst the redskins should draft someone to sit behind cousins.

>>74755560
What do those three Qbs have in common? They all entered the league in unique situations, and had competent front offices, which is something Washington doesn't.

>>74755618
Yes, a 50% chance is higher than second round and lower. And a "proven commodity"? He's as proven as Colin Kapernick or Andy Dalton. He's completely average.

>>74755680
so Washington doesn't have a competent front office but you somehow expect them to pull off a successful tank job and draft/develop the right guy?

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Go pats

>>74755680
>They all entered the league in unique situations
This is the most empty statement you could make.
1) none of those situations are exactly unique
2) even if they were, it means literally nothing to anything
3) pretty sure every QB entering the league could consider their situation unique
4) it has no bearing on their future success
>and had competent front offices, which is something Washington doesn't
You're just going in circles. Washington won't give up on Cousins because they're incompetent, the're incompetent because they won't give up on Cousins.

Come back with a coherent argument next time.

>>74755818
>Washington not giving up on cousins because they're incompetent
>Bengals not giving up on Dalton because they're incompetent
those statements are both true, and both centrally irrefutable

>>74755886
if they're incompetent it doesn't matter who they stick with

>>74756024
You give a fool a pickaxe eventually he can strike gold. Giving them the slimmest chance possible to stumble into success is the way to go. the Washington 8-8s is the dream

>>74752207

LT beat the Pats, not Brees

Leave /sp/

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>>74755886
but your basis for their incompetence is literally the example you provide. I don't even necessarily disagree with the central premise(esp. with regards to Washington's incompetence) but you're using circular logic to try and establish an argument. Cousins might not be great but he's better than what they had, so it'd be foolish to give up on him now.

>>74756169
Now you get it. For them to have their best chance, they have to hitch themselves to someone that has NO chance

>>74756141
Brady throwing a pair of endzone picks like a dumbass is what cost the Pats in 2002, and Brees had his best game of the season against them in 05

>>74756099
okay but they werent able to stumble onto anything before cousins so I doubt they'll find anything after him.

Honestly, especially if I was a giants fan, I'd want the redskins to trade cousins for 2 free wins(last they were 1-1). Eli's window is closing and he needs as much freebies as he can get, and redskins with no cousins is definitely a freebie.

>>74756418
Yeah, the Giants have a tiny Window, but the Cowboys have a 15 year window at the least

>>74756199
Tanking is stupid though. This isn't the NBA. The Browns have been shit for years and they still can't get out of the AFC North basement.

>>74756474
>Cowboys have a 15 year window at the least
assuming Prescott wasn't a flash in the pan and Zeke's wheels hold up, which both remain to be seen

>>74756523
The Browns also never managed to get a QB. They can change that this year with Trubisky, but they won't take him with 1 and he'll be gone by 12, and I don't see them trading up into the top 5 to get him

>>74756552
He's legit the best QB taken in last years draft by far. Wentz tops out as a top 20 QB, and Goff doesn't last 3 more years. Even if Zeke doesn't last 15 years, they'll have replaced him by then with someone just as good

Next Barry Sanders?

This kid could go really high in the draft next year. Check out his highlight reel

https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ

>>74752589
I actually used a loophole with my cable provider to get local Cleveland stations to watch the games.

>Speaking to the New York Daily News, a Jets source says second-round rookie Christian Hackenberg will "never make it."

>"Never," the source emphasized. Hackenberg was a topic of discussion on Thursday after owner Woody Johnson called him a "prospect." Reporter Manish Mehta says he recently asked an anonymous Jets starter if Hackenberg was worth a second-round pick and received a curt "no" in reply. The fact that Hackenberg couldn't get on the field in a lost year where Ryan Fitzpatrick, Geno Smith and Bryce Petty were all either injured or ineffective — usually at the same time — says all there is to know about Hack's NFL future.

lol jest

>>74756608
>The Browns also never managed to get a QB
Not for lack of trying. They keep missing on first round QBs because there's no guarantee of them ever working out.

>>74756655
this story is months old

>>74756523
You seem upset because they're doing things that aren't "traditional". Things have to change eventually. I'm sorry. That's just how the wheels of progress work.

>>74756608
He won't get drafted in the top 5. Especially if everyone drafts BPA. Solomon Thomas has shot up to top 3 discussion, Allen from Bama, Fournette is rumored to be at the top of the Jags draft board, then a bunch of safetys and DBs down to at least 10th overall or 11th. No one is drafting a QB before pick 10. Cleveland may not even draft him if he is at 12. They may go defense again as they weren't able to add any help in the secondary.

>>74756762
THIS

Goff's and Went'z draft stock were much higher at this time last year.

Not every year we get a top 10 qb selected

Remember 2013?

I don't care how badly teams need qbs, these qbs stink and everyone knows it.

>>74753066
>Rodgers
>7 ints
I literally cum every time

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>>74756762
>You seem upset
point out where I was upset

>>74756808
It's just a poor year for QBs, it'll be about the same next year (there will be maybe one or two worthy of a top 10 pick, but that will be it). Once again, the value of veteran FA QBs will shoot up even more as less pro-style guys are available. Even to the point where even...Hackenberg...will have a decent value. Garoppolo (if he doesn't get traded and ends up testing FA) will command a huge price tag, another high salary will be AJ McCarron. Look at Glennon this year, Osweiler the year before. Even showing a slight glimmer of ability in a pro system will net a large contract. Dark times.

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>>74756887
>This isn't the NBA

Welcome to the future, my boy. Slowly now you'll see more teams take the approach of contract dumps for picks/players (ala MLB, NBA). It'll be okay though. You'll still be able to watch on Sunday, Monday, and Thursday.

https://youtu.be/P5O5V7-PcLE

>Rodgers
>Healthy Nelson and Cobb, Adams actually playing like a WR
>3 ~good O lineman at least
>top 3 TE
Honestly if the front office actually gets behind Montgomery as a HB
who the actual fuck is going to stop that offense

>>74757052
>contract dumps for picks/players

I like this desu. I think the nfl needs more trades, and this is a way for shit teams to rebuild faster.

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>>74757052
>Browns were tanking on purpose these past 15 years
Of all the excuses I've heard leaveland fans make, this is one I've never heard before

>>74756523
>tanking is stupid
Worked for the Colts, twice.

>>74756608
>with someone just as good
Zeke is a generational talent

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>>74757299
>Worked for the Colts
Two straight 8-8 seasons is working out now

Friendly reminder that tanking is just a shitty teams excuse for being shitty
>you suck
>n-no we did it on purpose!

>>74757332
They did win a ring with Peyton no?

>>74757287
No, just last season.

>>74757369
one, against Rex Grossman, with Peyton playing like shit in the playoffs as usual

>>74757401
And went into another owl and had numerous playoff seasons.

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this really made me think

>>74757178
Look at the responses from most GMs. They seem to range from disagreeing with it to downright hatred and anger.

>literally yelling over the phone to a reporter
>"THIS IS NOT A FOOTBALL TRADE!!"

>>74757396
This. The moment they benched Kessler for RG3 it was pretty obvious they're trying to lose.

>>74757443
>Average IQ
I've never taken an IQ test and most people haven't, so how exactly did they get an average?
stupid map desu

>>74757481
>this entire post
You're from California aren't you

>>74757299
the colts have drafted FOUR quarterback with the #1 overall pick and have one championship to show for those four.

besides colts are really the only notable team you can say tanking sorta worked.

you can't say tanking is a good solution if it only works one time.

>>74757481
>t. retarded CHIfornian

>>74757507
naw senpai

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>>74757369
>Colts were tanking in the 90s instead of being a Browns-tier joke of a franchise that just happened to fall into drafting Peyton Manning one year
good lord this revisionist history

>>74757455
well I don't give a fuck what they say, salary dumps happen all the time in baseball and It doesn't cheapen the season for me.

>>74757521
Wisconsin actually

>>74757509
It works in hockey too. Penguins are a great example.

>>74757368
What did anybody expect? They were in pretty much every game (even leading some in the late 4th quarter). The roster was gutted. Anyone who expected a competitive team with an entire roster of rookies and literally who UDFAs and 1 year players didn't live in reality. Not even the coaching staff or FO could have expected anything better than 2-14. I think the whole idea was to play as many of those inexperienced players as possible (which happened), and see who showed promise and potential, then dumping off the guys who just settled at the bottom. For a team already in the dumps, it makes absolute sense. Try to establish some sort of base, then build on it.
Bit of a different approach than the other 9 or 10 coaches who's plan was the typical: release players who don't fit our scheme, sign mediocre FAs from former team who "fit the scheme", sign mediocre veteran QB who the coach likes, draft a QB or other offensive player

>>74757580
>unironically being retarded AND fat

>>74757443
>>74757481
This is a dumb map. The difference between 95 and 105 is insignificant, they're both average. Median would be better.

>>74757606
I don't follow hockey so I wouldn't know if that's a valid comparison or not

>>74757606
Doesn't work in football

>>74757554
>>74757178
>>74757645
I think the browns osweiler trade situation is a really unique situation.

i think the reason the NFL doesnt have these salary dump/draft pick trades as much as the nba is because a lot of nfl owners have a (sometimes delusional) belief that their teams are always alive in the nfl. only 16 games, any given sunday, etc. no owner would want to basically admit their team sucks enough to be able to do that

take the combination of the browns owners knowing that they are in a multi year rebuild, and their almost unheard of amount of cap space, and it was genius.

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>>74757645
>release players who don't fit our scheme, sign mediocre FAs from former team who "fit the scheme", sign mediocre veteran QB who the coach likes, draft a QB or other offensive player

Sounds familiar

>>74757554
Hey, I'm in total agreement with you. I think there will be more of those type of deals going forward. Maybe not very often, but they will happen. As for the Browns deal, it's a win-win. Sure, they take on the salary, but add a QB as a buffer for the others and someone who won't be pressured to be a miracle worker. If Osweiler has some sort of incredible year (not likely, but stranger bullshit has happened), then they might entertain keeping him on board as long as he restructured his contract. If he sucks, they can ditch him next offseason and have no responsibility for his contract either way. I think it's probably too late now for a trade involving him for a pick and half the salary.

>>74757750
The "NFL Blueprint" because of "parity".

>>74757729
the browns new management has done a really fucking good job.

They essentially just bought a second round pick just to have osweiler on the books for one season where they weren't winning anything anyways.

They've built up a lot of draft capital and cap space.

Now's the hard part, they have to hit on their early draft picks and develop their players, but everything they've done up until now has been great.

This is honestly the first time in my life I've been jelly of the browns.

>>74757822
Makes sense when you're a jest fan and all your front office did was nuke the roster and draft Christian Hackenberg

>>74757876
roster needed to be nuked

None of the guys we got rid of played well at all last year. Brandon Marshall's the only one who probably still has something left and even he was outplayed by two other receivers on the team.

>>74757948
not objecting to that, just the fact that the Jets didn't seem interested in doing anything beyond that. gutting the team is step 2 in a rebuild but they never got to step 3 and skipped step 1(clean house) completely

>>74757822
You said the magic words. Gotta hit on the top picks. To be fair, they've got to try and get an impact player with every pick. I don't think they can look at any pick with the idea of depth. Which is how MLB drafts are conducted. You have a ton of picks, but you have to try and find the 80 grade player in each opportunity because even the 13rd pick can be a potential all-star. I know it's completely unrealistic to think they'll hit on anything after the 2nd round, but I can at the very least, as a fan, have faith in what the FO and Hue have in mind. I did like that Hue came out and said he doesn't want a QB under 6'2, and he knows what he is looking for. I have a feeling that's Gregg Williams will be heavily involved (basically taking on Hue's role defensively). He also knows what he wants (Garrett and a secondary). It will be another down year, but I think their plan will be more obvious and take on a solid form this year. They're loaded up again in the draft next season to build even more on what they want. I think year 3 will be the real year they make a leap (9-7 or 10-6 maybe even make the playoffs). They will still have to keep bringing back homegrown talent so to speak.

>>74757948
Just imagine.
>Jets decide to use same approach as Browns
>blow up roster
>acquire multitude of picks
>sign talent built from within
>2020
>Browns v Jets AFCCG
>/nfl/ flies into rage
>"THIS IS NOT REAL FOOTBALL REEEEEEEEEEEEE"

>>74758107
Pretty sure most of us would be thrilled if the Browns and Jets kept the Pats and Steelers out of another garbage ass AFC Championship

>>74758015
I'm not going to fire a gm after two seasons, especially after getting rid of idzik so quick.

too early to judge his draft classes. I hate the Hackenberg pick too, but that alone isn't enough to fire the guy.

you need to have some patience instead of continued turnover.

Bowles should definitely be on the hot seat though for not controlling the locker room.

>>74758156
Fuck the jets

>>74758183
How do you of all people not hate the Pats and Steelers more

>>74758205
I didn't say that, I just don't like the jets

>>74758205
hes a trash ass raidnigger

Giants and Pats fans need not reply to this post

What catch is better, Tyree's Helmet catch, or Edelman's circus catch?

>>74758265
Tyree

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Has anyone seen oldbay?

>>74758265
tyree

Edleman's had a degree of needing the ball to bounce perfectly for him to catch it.

also it was tipped by the defender.

>>74758265
Edelman's, but Tyree's is more famous for the circumstances.

>>74758265
Edelmans

>firm helmet grapple vs diving between 3 defenders and catching with god tier awareness an inch from the turf

Kearses catch was better than Tyree's too.

>>74758313
>>74758314
>holding onto a ball with one hand against your head while a defender tries to pull your arm down with both hands
spotted the newfans

>>74758265

>>74758313
this desu Tyree's catch was more luck and bad defending. Edelman's was just a really good catch

>>74758279
He's busy posting Ravens garbage in /MLB/

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>>74758345
>regainging control of a ball mere inches from the turf while 3 defenders are on you

What's your issue?

Here's my top 5 most hated teams

5. Jets
4. Cowboys
3. Chiefs
2. Broncos
1. Pats

>>74758380
i dont know hows it possible for a raiders fan not to hate the steelers

>>74758458
They are literally #6 in my top 10, also my hatred has waned since the chefs became "good"

>>74757123
Mike McCarthy

>>74758458
Does he know about when Lynn Swann acted like a giant pussy saying he would sue Raider DBs if he got hit late or too hard?

>elite receiver
>literally crying about being hit
>Steelers

>>74758585
Lynn swann - soft!

>>74758265
Depends what you mean. On skill alone it's even. Tyree had to get himself open in the right place and jump at the right time for Eli to have even have a chance to make that throw. When plays break down like it did on that play it's a lot harder to make plays like that. Edelman's catch required just as much awareness but it was more about play execution and great dexterity on the catch for it to be made.

If you mean the moment and what it represented, Tyree's catch wins in a walk. If the catch didn't happen, the Plaxico TD doesn't happen, 18-1 doesn't happen, and Coughlin and Eli possibly don't even make it to 2011 to win the Super Bowl again. It changed everything for the Eli-era Giants. If Edelman's catch doesn't happen, the Pats can still probably make the comeback, and even if they don't, not a lot changes from that point on. It becomes just another Super Bowl.

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>>74758380
>5. Jets
>4. Cowboys
>Steelers not 1
>Steelers not even top 5
man do you even Raiders

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I haven't been paying too much attention. how is the packers' defense looking at this point? I see a bunch of guys leaving and house coming back. have I missed anything major

>>74758682
Shit at corner, shit at safety, shit at LB, shit at Dline aside for Mike Daniels

Typical offseason

>>74758673
Keep in mind, it differs on season, plus I wasn't alive in the 70s

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>>74758726
I wasn't alive in the 70s either but I still hate the Cowboys over the Hail Mary

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Dak's going to be so fucking elite. Best quarterback in the league once Brady retires.

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>>74758811
>Best quarterback in the league once Brady retires
is that what you think

>>74758811
>Implying he doesn't flame out like RGIII

>I can no longer make the Raiders great again in Madden
FUCK. Do I do Browns, or Bears now? I'm gonna miss those glorious uniforms

>>74758935
chorgers

>>74758935
Rebuild the Jest

>>74758961
>>74758991
both good options

>>74758935
browns are a perfect candidate, but I feel your pain

>>74758935
Glad the Buffalo Bills are still shit so I can continue to rebuild them year after year. Current unis w/ red helmet master race

>>74758935
jags

>>74757443
Sauce?

>>74758961

will it finally stop trying to move them to LA?

Or is it going to try to move them somewhere else now for a bigger marketshare

>>74759078
If the new Madden gives me create a logo and create a uniform option, I'm going to make my Diamond Dynasty team out of whoever I pick. The Oklahoma City Bombers

>>74758935
Saints lad

I'm not even trying to make a joke I hate the fact that the realism usually flies out the window on All-Madden difficulty since the opponent usually bullshits their way to at least 30 points and your WRs drop 5 passes a game but when playing as the Saints it doesn't ruin the immersion if you get my meaning

Playing defence is always more fun in Madden anyway so trying to salvage a decent roster with trades and FA makes it feel genuinely satisfying everytime you get a stop/pick

>>74759123
But Timothy McVeigh was from New York...

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>Seahawks offseason so far

oh Christ this is bad

>>74759127
IKR
>throw pass over middle
>receiver catches it and makes contact with LB
>drag LB 4 yards and ball pops free
>Incomplete Pass
>get 49 point lead by half
>super sim rest of defensive drives
>opponent wins
>500+ yards in 2nd half (a majority on one play 80yd drives)
>"realism"

Fuck I forgot More Life was dropping today

Anyone got it yet? Should I buy it?

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This is your average Brazilian child. Thoughts?

>>74759390
https://youtu.be/fCrkjUX7Zfo

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>>74758935
Browns are the way to go.

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>>74757660
>being a cuck who welcomes niggers and sand niggers with open arms as they rape and murder your women

Kek

You now remember when the Browns traded away Trent Richardson, how everyone laughed at the Browns for getting rid of their guy

>>74759609
Used to work with a guy who lived in SA but I can't remember if he lived in Johannesburg or Cape Town

Either way he said basically the same thing that they're more like animals than human and that he and his wife called each other a couple times a day to make sure they were still alive. Dude had a gun put to his head twice before he moved here

Do you think that Mitch Trubisky will have a good career and will be a good player?

>>74759847
I believe you just like I believe the story. I've lived in southern California my whole life and have been around niggers the 28 years I've been alive. American nig nogs may not be as savage as African niggs but they are still pretty shut tier here.

You can tie Dallas constant cap woes to the Roy Williams trade. Think about that

>>74759910
He will probably have a decent career. Probably not franchise worthy. 2, maybe 3 teams. No rings until he is an older backup.

>>74759910
nope, college offenses are tailored too easy to produce any more great QBs. this is why GMs are not willing to spend a lot of money on qbs anymore and would rather just plug in a rookie to a read-option offense. Kirk Cousins and Derek Carr will probably be the last drop-back pure passers ever

>>74760254
>#2 pick Watson
Fuck you and fuck that

>>74760275
>GMs not willing to spend money on QBs

Have you seen the money for mediocre pro style QBs now? Anybody capable of even remotely reading a D pre-snap or looking off safetys is being given retarded amounts of money for their "services". It's a byproduct of the spread being the standard for college programs (even Bama is moving in that direction).

>>74760254
Malik Hooker ain't falling to 12

Think he goes 4 overall to the Jags

>>74760333
thats only because of Cock Swallower's contract setting a trend but it will balance out soon enough

>>74760254
I doubt three QBs get drafted in the first round and I doubt even more than Watson goes first

>>74760254
>14. Dalvin Cook
Fuck off we don't want him

>>74760364
>Brock's contract was bad
If you take out him being bad, it was a pretty average QB contract. 16-18 million a year is mid level QB money. People act like he got a Flacco, Brees, Romo contract.

>>74760436
You can't take that out. They paid franchise QB money to a backup who got benched for the ghost of Peyton Manning.

>>74760426
Why wouldn't you want Cook at 14?

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>>74760254
Why does everyone try to shoehorn Dalvin Cook in the 1st? Guy has marginal NFL size, atrocious Combine agility times, arrest history, and case of fumblitis, the Eagles can probably get him in the second round. He is a risky prospect at a dime-a-dozen position, especially in this year's draft. 100% guarantee he WILL slide.

>>74760364
He didn't set the trend, the trend was set about 5 years ago when pro-style pocket passers started disappearing. Since then we've seen many veteran QBs past their prime sticking around longer knowing they'll land somewhere because they're the last of a dying breed. It won't balance out, only get worse. This draft is lacking in the QB department, and next year won't be much better. There may be one good one every 5 or 6 years now that comes out with the intangIbles and sheer knowledge to play at an elite level. Hence, more older guys sticking around knowing they will make bank. And a whole slew of system oriented QBs who struggle to catch on, become okay or mediocre, or drop out entirely to Canada or Arena football.

As I said before, dark times ahead. In just a few years, one of your top QBs in the draft will be Jalen Hurts. Keep that in mind.

>>74760514
because his shoulders are far too fragile. Dude won't last

>>74760544
>one of your top QBs in the draft gets outscored by his defense
really makes you think

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>>74760544
Loathe as I am to agree with this faggot ass Browns trip, pretty much this. When Brees, Rivers, Brady, and Eli Manning all retire(very soon), guys like Sam Bradford are going to be on top 10 QB lists pretty much by default. The QB position is evolving but the NFL is actively resisting the change. Guys like Colin Kaepernick(but not necessarily Kaepernick himself) will be the new normal.

The QB bubble will burst. Just wait for it.

>>74760526
>Guy has marginal NFL size
>le big back maymay
Lesean McCoy and Jamaal Charles have "marginal NFL size" and are/were plenty productive

>browsing mock drafts
>decide to check out a mock on NFL.com
>Daniel Jeremiah has the Chargers taking Deshaun Watson at 7

What?

>>74760643
>McCoy
>Charles
Just for fun, tell me what round those guys were drafted

>>74760477
Most the reason he got benched was because they wanted Manning to finish off the season, it's not like Manning was throwing any better. Yes they should have taken more precautions on signing Brock, or signed him to a one year guarantee, but he played better than Peyton did at first.

>>74760665
you're changing the topic

>>74760714
No, you did. I never said Cook wouldn't be productive, but his size is a knock on him and will be part of the reason he falls. The fact that two undersized backs had successful NFL careers in spite of their size doesn't change the fact they were not first round prospects coming out of college.

>>74760641
Harsh. If I did something to piss you off, it wasn't intentional. All apologies.

LMAO the NBA has a problem of star players sitting out games
Wtf
Inb4 this happens in nfl

>>74760799
Much like the city of Cleveland, no one likes you

>>74760813
The NFL won't have that problem because NBA players play WAY more games and the NFL would probably end up fining players if they sit out too many games when healthy, I'd wager.

>>74760761
>two
ehh, ladanian tomlinson (fifth overall), marshall faulk (2nd overall)...all with same measurables as cook. I get the injury history will drop him back but has nothing to do with his size

>>74760822
You've really got to do something about all that anger. You know that shit leads to stomach ulcers, high blood pressure, tachycardia, and ultimately an early death, right?