/nfl/ general - Big Bob Edition

lions haven't won the nfc north since 1993

>>74645134
they've also never been in the superbowl
what a pathetic franchise

>>74645179
they actually only have 1 (one) playoff win in their entire post-merger existence

eaglesbro here. haven't followed the team at all since about halfway through last year. i heard the eagles might draft that oj howard guy. is there any truth to this? him and ertz sounds like it could be cool. also is alshon as good as he is touted to be?

>>74645195
How?

GO CHAAAAGAAAHS GO

>>74645195
they are the only team to go 0-16 though
congrats loins!

>>74645201
>Eartz
Just wait til next year eartz.

>>74645201
>eagles fan
>haven't followed the team at all since about halfway through last year
you're going to have to pick one of those shit head

>>74645201
howard would be BPA at 14, but i honestly hope we don't take him. just seems like overkill when we have two established starters and a 3rd who can receive.

alshon is probably the 2nd or 3rd best contested catch WR in the league. i think wentz is going to throw deep more with more success this year thanks to him and torrey smith. he also gives the eagles a true redzone threat, which was a huge issue last year.

Why Sidney Jones die ;_;?

>>74645257
it was just his time. it was just his time.

Bye Lang.... :(

>>74645237
i dont understand
>>74645238
-_-
>>74645246
ok that sounds nice. what about jmatt? has he not turned into a redzone guy? hes certainly big enough

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>Hightower still not signed anywhere

REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>74645281
He's a guy everyone says will be good next year, but he has never actually had sustained success. He's a coach killer. The iggles will keep him 2 or 3 more seasons then let him walk to the pats or trade him for nothing.

>>74645281
i love jmatt, but he does his best work out of the slot. he is the only receiver we have who has proven he can score TDs in the past, but his injuries and the overall offensive inconsistency last year didn't help. adding someone to take attention away from him in the redzone will likely help.

this year, with a true #1 guy opposite him and torrey smith taking the top off defenses, i think he'll be able to light it up out of the slot. if ertz can produce the passing offense should be worlds better than 2016. get a running back in the draft, and we're putting out a pretty good unit.

>>74645318
why does that bother you? ultimately means hes going back to NE

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>Jets, Patriots favourites to land Hightower

Career suicide or playoffs, tough call.

>>74645320
he went for nearly 2k yards and 16 TDs his first two years, how is that not sustained success? do you have any idea what you're talking about?

>>74645346
Hightower has TWO rings already. Unless he wants to pull a Robert Horry and just rack up jewelry, it's time for a payday. The Jets would probably break the bank to sign him, too, and then gloat about it in the Daily News, just like they did with Revis.

>>74645320
are you talking about ertz or jmatt
im assuming ertz
>>74645330
so i take it agholor is still dogshit and greenbeckam never amounted to anything? its a shame i really wanted huff to be good.

>>74645318
That's good, you retard. The longer he spends unsigned means no one is throwing a dump truck full of money at him. He'll come back to NE.

Seahawks matched Detroit's offer. Lang's wife said she wanted to go home so he chose Detroit.

Seattle going to have stick with the O-line they got. Time to bolster up that defense with money/draft picks and hope Wilson can survive.

>>74645373
Do the Jets even have the money to give him a huge payday? I thought their cap situation was shit.

>>74645346
career suicide? at this point after rings, its all about life changing $$$

>>74645392
yes and yes. DGB plays like he's 5'10", fucking infuriating. i miss huff too, he had the big-play ability that none of our other guys did. i guess smith is a cheap replacement there.

i do hope we can snag a PR/KR in the draft, that's always been a strength of our team. my next mock draft is gonna have a hot take in the 1st who's a threat to score as a return man.

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>>74645364
Surrre buddddyyyyy
>Nearly 2k and 16 TDs in 2 years
>Drafted 4 years ago
Check those career totals and get back to me.

>>74645346
curtis martin got better after he left the pats for the jets

>>74645392
Ertz
I am
>>74645237

>>74645373
A million dollars is more than most people would ever dream of receiving. Even with a bargain basement deal from New England, he's still rich as fuck.

You can't take it with you when you go, but your legacy will remain. He's already made huge plays that changed two Super Bowls. What if he does it a third time? A fourth?
He could end up being a legend.

>>74645425
>Relying on the return game
Shit iggles do

>>74645430
>Monta Vista

What a faggot. SAN RAMON WOLVES!!

No idea Ertz went to high school in my home town of Danville

>>74645458
>this discussion every single free agency season
A million dollars is still a million dollars. It's not like NFL linebackers are known for their long careers or bright opportunities after retirement. A million a year over the length of a 5 year contract can mean an extra 5 years of living in luxury before going broke after you retire.

>>74645458
He's never going to have a chance for this kind of money again in his life.

>>74645458
$30 million is much better than $25. football lasts like 4-8 years, an extra $5 mill lasts a lifetime

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fuck

>>74645493
>why don't teams take Bobby Bonilla contracts so they have a small cap hit and they don't have to worry about being broke 20+ years from now

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>>74645508
They did their best pitch. Offered as much money as they could. This is the price of paying everyone on your defense and having a franchise QB. Russell will just have to make it work.

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>>74645430
i'm talking about jordan matthews, little buddy.
>>74645480
>it's a bad thing to have the best special teams unit in the league
hmm

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>>74645411
that was just a meme started by asshurt pat fans

their cap space is above average

>>74645534
Don't you have a earthquake to be dying in or something?

>>74645540
I mean it was completely true. then they cut like 3 or 4 veterans and it went up. That's how that works.

>>74645537
Eagles don't have the best special teams unit lol

>>74645493
Hmm? I'm not that anon If you're a multiple SB hero you are payed for life. Ask Ted bruschi. Just saying. Thinking that your current pay check is all you'll get out of life is short sighted nigger logic. Did you know that Roger staughbach made millions more in dallas real estate based off his rep? I mean who doesn't wanna do biz with Roger freaking staubach. Every deal is practically closed b4 it behind all he had to do was deliver.

>>74645540
Is that after the last 2 days. They're not in terrible cap space, but they also need a QB and some other stuff before they sign a luxury like Hightower

>>74645540
>that was just a meme started by asshurt pat fans
They barely had any space coming into the offseason. They just freed it up by releasing 90% of their good players

>>74645537
he only shows up in garbage time, never when the team actually needs it

>>74645575
yes they do, kek.
>>74645589
i don't really get them going after hightower, it seems like a "fuck over the pats in what little way we can" type move. not really something to spend that much money on now.

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>tfw your daddy is the GOAT.

>>74645596
who was good?

the only one is B Marsh who go outplayed by an undrafted rookie last season

revis is shit and mangold has both declined and become fragile as shit.

their running game actually improved after he went down

>>74645537
So what? WE were talking about ertz. YOU jumped in and assumed you knew who I was talking about before clicking the links back on the thread. For a tripfag you sure are shitty at using 4 Chan. I've seen you do this a few times now over the past week.

When were you when the Chorgers won the 2017 draft like they did in 2016? I was drinking brain fluid when fred ring. Chorgors owl bound. 'no'. And you??????????

Round 1 Pick 12 (CLE): Malik Hooker, FS/SS, Ohio State (A+)
Round 2 Pick 1 (CLE): Cam Robinson, OT, Alabama (A)
Round 2 Pick 6: Christian McCaffrey, RB, Stanford (B+)
Round 3 Pick 7: Quincy Wilson, CB, Florida (A)
Round 4 Pick 6: Chad Hansen, WR, California (A+)
Round 5 Pick 7: Jarron Jones, DT, Notre Dame (B+)
Round 6 Pick 6: Jalen Reeves-Maybin, OLB, Tennessee (B-)
Round 7 Pick 7: Cooper Rush, QB, Central Michigan (C-)

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>>74645634
kek why would a tripfag be any better at using "4 Chan". go pound sand.
>>74645657
>this draft

>>74645657
What do the bolts trade to the Brownies to get those picks?

>>74645537
Chill dude. Even if it is the best it's only marginally better than the next and the next and so on. Not very much separates NFL special teams. You aren't the Devin Hester bears. And even then you literally just have to punt out of bounds to neutralize the threat. But go ahead and build that special teams in the draft iggles.
>It's a third of the game
Lel

>>74645763
round 1 pick 7

>>74645696
You're on here enough. How slow is your learning curve?

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>>74645537
>tfw chorgers have the 32nd ranked special teams

>>74645770
i mean i literally didn't say a single thing that you're talking about there, but okay. no one is "relying on" the return game or anything, and we're not specifically drafting for special teams, moron.

the eagles had the best average starting position after kickoffs and their opponents had the worst average starting position. you're seriously going to tell me this is a bad thing or something? fucking retards in the general, i swear

You now remember Teddy Bridgewater.

>wanting patriots meme players who are shit every time outside of NE

>>74645318
my guess hightower is just using the jets as leverage but would be an interesting signing

wouldn't even cost that much because we'd be able to cut David Harris immediately after and save some room and get younger and faster in the process.

>>74645821
F

>>74645134
Technically they've NEVER won the North. It was still the NFC Central in '93.

>osweiler threw a tantrum because he was forced to play

kek

someone post iggles mockdrafts. do we still go reciever if corey davis is on the board?

>>74645203
3 words: William Clay Ford.

>>74645856
Look at the Eagles' current cornerbacks and then ask again.

>>74645770
the 2010 Chargers missed the playoffs despite having the best offense and defense because they had the WOAT special teams

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>>74645856
hottest take yet. ideally we'd trade down and get a 2nd or something and then take mccaffrey, but you can't do trades on fanspeak so just pretend like we drafted another corner in the 3rd or something.

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>>74645819
>Iggles fans
>Triggered over spec teams
>Return team 6
E L I T E
L
I
T
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>>74645696
is this better draftpolice?

Round 1 Pick 7: Solomon Thomas, DE, Stanford (A+)
Round 2 Pick 6: Dan Feeney, OG, Indiana (B)
Round 3 Pick 7: Quincy Wilson, CB, Florida (A)
Round 4 Pick 6: Marcus Maye, FS, Florida (A+)
Round 5 Pick 7: Noah Brown, WR, Ohio State (A+)
Round 6 Pick 6: Chad Kelly, QB, Ole Miss (C+)
Round 7 Pick 7: T.J. Logan, RB, North Carolina (B-)

>>74645865
No corner is worth taking at #14 with Jones injured and Alshon is only on a 1 year deal

>>74645866
>Chargers
>Best d
Show me.

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>>74645882

>McCaffrey 14th overall

LOL

>>74645906
um, humphrey and lattimore could both be better than jones. just depends on what you're looking for

who knows how good they are individually, all those teams were stacked on D

>>74645898
i don't get it
>>74645899
it's more realistic anyway, besides wilson. would be great if the chargers could snag thomas to pair with bosa, he's a special talent
>>74645925
read the post, skip

>>74645917
not him, but I think they were ranked 1st in Offense and 2nd in Defense and basically lost several games due to special teams

>>74645849
The North divisions are technically a continuation of the Central divisions. The South divisions are the new ones.

>>74645936
There is absolutely no way that Lattimore falls to #14 and Humphrey is overrated trash

Eagles need long term WR development and Tabor in the 2nd round + WR in the 1st is optimal

>>74645925
>thinking 2000 all purpose yards in a rookie season isn't worth being picked up at 14

the dude is going to be a stud in the NFL. if you need offense, he's the biggest impact player in the draft for offense.

>>74645949
Yeah okay but I still wouldn't be boasting about having a great spec teams. If your o and d are that good all you need is a nigga to fair catch the ball. Strong legged kicker and punter is all you need for spec teams.

>>74646002
they gave up a shitload of returns for TDs and the punter was legit top 5 (scifres) but kept getting blocked because of the line and FG kicker was top 2 (kaeding) in regular season. Just everything else was complete shit

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>Lacy rolls downfield to the 50, flattens two defenders at the 40, he's bumbling towards the sidelines atthe 30, stiff arms the queue for the chinese buffet at the 20 and the 10 AND THE BELT IS LOOSE. TOUCHDOWN MINNESOTA. EDDIE LACY WITH THE 95 POUND GAIN

>>74646002
Literally who was boasting?

>>74646046
>Big guy

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>>74646053
for you

>>74646046
God damn it now we have to draft an entire defense AND a RB or two.

This can't be happening, I'm in charge here!

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>please watch our team

>>74646097
ST LOUIS RASM!!!!

>>74646086
montgomery is a significant improvement over feast mode

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Now put one of these fuckers behind those big guys

>>74646173
perine looking THICC

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I do not expect Garrett to fall, but I had to take him.

first 2017 nfl qb rankings

1. Tom Brady
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Matt Ryan
4. Drew Brees
5. Russell Wilson
6. Ben Roethlisberger
7. Andrew Luck
8. Kirk Cousins
9. Matt Stafford
10. Derek Carr
11. Alex Smith
12. Philip Rivers(Let's face it, he hasn't been good in years)
13. Andy Dalton
14. Cam Newton
15. Sam Bradford
16. Eli Manning
17. Carson Palmer
18. Joe Flacco
19. Ryan Tannehill
20. Dak Prescott(Great Rookie Season but no higher than 20 until we see more)
21. Marcus Mariota
22. Jameis Winston
23. Tyrod Taylor
24. Carson Wentz
25. Blake Bortles
26. Mike Glennon
27. Brian Hoyer
28. Trevor Siemian
29. Cody Kessler
30. Tom Savage
31. Jared Goff
32. Bryce Petty

come at me

>>74646218
are all the 2016 rookies low because they only played one year?

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>>74646218
>21. Marcus Mariota
>22. Jameis Winston

>>74646232
yes, i think 3 years in the league is the minimum to rate guys high. In Goff's case its cause he was total shit

Luck is overrated

>>74646037
it was also bad kickoff coverage.
they gave up 2 KR TDs to a washed up Leon Washington

>>74646289
this has been common knowledge for years now

>>74646289
he's a top 10 QB, get over it. /sp/ wants to hate luck so bad because it's a board full of contrarians and he got the hype of the gods in 2012, but pretending he's not a franchise QB got old in 2015, m8.

>>74646119
Montgomery is not a starter, he can't handle that load.

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R...run game? Is that you..?

>>74646318
nah we just enjoy watching chokers live up to their reputation

>>74646218
Rivers is better than Roeth, Luck, Cousins, Stafford, Smith, and Wilson. He's also better than Carr but only faggots wouldn't understand its difficult to play QB without an oline your top 3 receivers injured and throwing to literal whos (undrafted, canadian league and someone who was on the browns)

>>74646358
how has he EVER choked? losing to the best team in football when you have a roster constructed by a coke addict and a guy who traded a first rounder for trent richardson is "choking"? he's already done more in his career than the vast majority of starters in the league, with a shit team.

>>74646339
side note, how good could Javid Best been had his head not been made of glass?

>>74646368
>Losing to the 0-15 Browns

>>74646398
>puts the kicker in a position to win
>he shanks it

Why did Rivers miss the FG?

>>74646385
What has he done?

>>74646394
His YPC wasn't all that great but the 2011 season he was exploding. Lions went 5-0 with him and 5-5 without him. Behind a good line he probably could have been pretty good. He was really quick and good at reading the defense/finding holes.

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can we still blame cutler when we pick #1 next year?

>>74646451
he took a formerly 2-14 team to the playoffs in 2011, beat a team that won its first 9 games in the WC round in 2013 despite his defense giving up 44 fucking points, and made it to the AFCCG in 2014 by beating the broncos. short of making/winning a super bowl, he's literally done it all. it's not his fault that the patriots are by far the best team in the AFC and his coach is only still there because he had cancer.

>>74646385

Choked in AFCC

Chocked in Fiesta bowl

He's literally done nothing notable besides those games, which he lost

>>74646368
his supporting cast is shitty but at some point I can't keep giving him the benefit of the doubt.

His career is better than all of those guys you mentioned except for Big Ben but I think all of those quarterbacks right now are playing better than Rivers.

>>74646494
Should have kept Brian Hoyer desu. He played damn good football in Chicago.

>>74646512
lel no one said you could chime in here. back to your cuckshed, mr. "got blown the fuck out by LSU in our last bowl game" kliff.

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>>74646540

hes a weak arm pussy that cant/wont throw the ball more than 10 yards or into the endzone. Glad hes gone.

Secondary still shit. No real receivers to throw to now. Were on lock for top 5 pick.

At least it will be john fox getting fired next offseason

>>74646549

What notable things has LSU done since Saban was their coach?

>>74646598
Really? He threw for like 300 yards a game last season, how did he manage that without throwing a few deep balls?

>>74646602
what notable things has TTU done ever? literally, ever?

>uh, we lost to ole miss once, but it was close!

>>74646533
Rivers has more touchdowns than Big Ben and he played 2 less years. Only thing he doesn't have is an owl, which he should have gotten in 2006 except marlon mccree is a dumb nigger

>>74646595
Glasgow must be a bad run blocker because I remember him doing a pretty good job pass blocking.

>>74645821
Good night sweet prince

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....

>>74646394
Bretty gud I think, but at least he got to go to the olympics

>>74646595
What are these ratings?

Lions run good now?

>>74646689
>that o line

Wilson better be ready to break the qb rushing record

>>74646635

Uh they played the evenly matched opponent LSU in a bowl game

>>74646758
and lost by 29 points, thanks for playing! now let the adults talk.

>>74646723
PFF grades

>>74646689
>>74646595
Can either of you guys post Iggles grades

>>74646773

LSU is the Andrew Luck of college football

>>74646813
ironic, since TTU is the Blake Bortles of college football

What could the Jets possibly offer Hightower?

they have less cap money than NE and are balls deep in rebuilding mode.

>>74646218
Alex Smith is way too high

>>74646830

That's a horrible example, Blake actually won college football games

>>74646835
its probably hightower himself linking the reports desu for leverage

only thing is hightower is still a young player and we'd be able to cut harris so the net gain in cap space wouldn't be much at all.

also I think our cap money is about the same with the pats after they spent so much on the allen trade and gilmore

>>74646835
They are just trying to drive the price of what the Pats pay without getting stuck with actually paying Hightower.

They are trying to play 4D chess with the wrong guy.

>>74646689
Post Browns as they are right now

>>74646861
In the AAC, so does that even really count?

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>>74646595
>mfw we have good run blocking

>>74646915
he beat baylor in his bowl game, it was a huge fucking deal. like the biggest upset in FCS history or something.

big reason his stock climbed, now that i think about it.

>>74646896
Pats have about $10 million more last I heard.

>>74646218
Jared Goff will be top 13 next year cap this

>>74647104
He showed nothing in his rookie season, literally Clausen-tier

>>74646429
>"""elite""" qb
>couldn't put up enough points to a shit defense that everyone raped last year
yeah real elite there

>Lions have a GM that isn't an absolute imbecile

what universe is this?

>>74647092
yeah again i think this is hightower trying to squeeze dollaroos out of the pats but it's not like hightower would be crazy for the jets. We'd be able to cut Hairrs for a guy 6-7 years younger and should have years left of quality football.

if he was 30 i'd be against this but 27 is still young enough for even a rebuilding team.

>>74647201
General Managers from the Patriots have been doing pretty well. Falcons GM has made some pretty darn good moves as well. You gotta think these guys have been dealing with the Patriots salary/scouting for awhile so they must know a thing or two.

>>74647133
when he makes an undrafted WR turn into a 1000 yard receiver despite all the drops, yeah he's elite

>The #Lions deal for former #Packers G TJ Lang: $9.5M average for 3 years with $19M fully guaranteed, source said.

>>74646198
What is this site called again?

>>74647260
Not bad for a guy past age 30.

>>74647270
Fanspeak, "on the clock" is the draft mock part

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>>74647260
Tori Petry approves

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thanks tony tigers, now our line isnt as horrible

>>74647501
Oakland shoulda picked him up, could replace Howard instantly

>>74647501
Do the Bengals exist? Haven't heard anything about them since FA started.

>>74647542
Fuck no, whitworth is bitch, acting like he was tough in that 2012 game and got beat up on

>>74647576
>tripfag has a shit opinion
every time

>>74647547
I think they resigned Krepatrick?

Devon House is signing, but not with Green Bay

>>74647597
Good player or not, you fight with a team, they SURE AS HELL ain't signing you

>>74647260
kek, Seattle BFTO.

>>74647599

Did you mean Kirkpatrick or Kaepernick nigga

>>74647249
Pats and Packers GM tree is right now the GOAT of the NFL.

>>74647648
the first one

I don't really follow Cinci.

>>74647620
>yfw the Raiders sign Poe

>>74647547
Mike Brown is a notorious tightwad

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>>74647655
>Packers

>>74647620

>not being signed for telling the truth

lel until recently the Raiders have been a dumpster fire. i dont see any objections

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000102320/article/andrew-whitworth-calls-oakland-raiders-cowards

>"I'd hope there would be guys on their team that would address that, but it is what it is," Whitworth told The Associated Press. "You've got guys that want to make names for themselves and can't, and then they get frustrated. It's their opportunity to do something they feel and be tough, but that ain't tough. Face-to-face is tough.

"Most of those guys, they are what they are -- they're cowards. And if they really wanted to have an issue with you, they'd address you. But they obviously don't."

>>74647620
You now remember Ronnie Lott, Roger Craig, Rathman, and Rice

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>"heads"

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When he retires from football in twenty years, is he going to become a professional scooter racer?

>>74647714
Roger Craig never played for the raiders

>>74647746
1992 he did, 1993 he played for the vikes

>>74647745

scoot scoot brady

>you now remember Aundray Bruce

>>74647704
>Get ass kicked
>Get mad

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HES COMING HOME

>>74647576
Well, who would you take?

>>74647854
Lang or Tretter, and kick someone at T, most likely Alexander or Osemele, they're versatile, but it doesn't matter now that they're locked up, fucking Newhouse is gonna be the weak link

>>74647704
He was talking about a pre-reggie Oakland team

Andrew wouldn't fit well with the raiders not because of the scuffle because no one from that game is around the team anymore except coaching staff but because we are a passing team and he sure as shit isn't a top pass blocking tackle unless he got better

>>74647918
What about Oni Omelette?

>>74647922
nah, he doesn't fit the raiders because he's old and they're a young team, and signing him wouldn't put them over the top this year. they should have made a push for bennett or one of the corners though

>>74647959
Oni's contract expired I think

>>74647922
>he sure as shit isn't a top pass blocking tackle unless he got better
He is though

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>>74646896
As of right now, I think we have $34m in cap space

>>74647239
Isn't hightower an outside linebacker? How well does he play in middle compared to Harris? >>74647239

>>74648039
He's definitely a middle linebacker but he blitzes exceptionally well so sometimes they line him up on the outside in blitzing situations (like the Super Bowl fumble)

Where were you when the patriots confirmed a 19-0 season?

>>74648039
He's an OLB
>>74648089
He played the majority of his snaps as an edge defender from week 14 or so

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>>74647475
Did they?

>Asked how competitive Green Bay's offer was, T.J. Lang laughed and said he'll let his agent handle those questions.

>>74648232
She got stretched out for sure

Btw who the fuck are we talking about?

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>>74648326
Please let this be real

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>>74648334
That's literally our guy

>>74648326
Wouldn't be surprised if true

He is still salty about the fail mary

>>74648039
I don't think he's quite as solid a tackler as Harris but he'd bring a lot more speed to our linebackers and is more versatile than him.

>>74648232
Thats how they finalize player contracts in Detroit now. They all go through Tori. Literally.

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So far this Canadian used his meme magic to get players so now it is MY turn

Why the FUCK is MY Hightower not on MY team

>>74648799
contracts for Carr and Mack

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>>74648833
We have enough money for one good off season signing dammit

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>>74648879
You can't have him

>>74648833
Mack has a 5th year option that will get activated, Carr's is definitely getting worked on though.

>>74647983
Post feet

>>74646689
haha holy shit, poor Russell

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>release Sitton last year, presumably to free up space for other guys on the offensive line
>let BOTH Lang and Tretter walk this year

FUCK YOU, TED. GODDAMN THIS SHIT IS SO INFURIATING.

>>74648799
I haven't even heard Jokeland mentioned once in any Hightower article

>>74647986
No he's on the practice squad, he's still signed

>Whut? Bears give Markus Wheaton $6M for '17

lel rotoworld

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>>74649871
>bears went from jay cutler, matt forte, brandon marshall, and alshon jeffery to mike glennon, jordan howard, kevin white, and markus wheaton

>>74649916
Howard is actually good, though. The rest are dog shit.

>>74646218
>luck below the cucked and the rapist
"No"

>>74649927
Kevin White is better than Jeffrey

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>>74649985

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>>74649985

>>74646218
>12. Philip Rivers(Let's face it, he hasn't been good in years)
>13. Andy Dalton
>14. Cam Newton
>15. Sam Bradford
>16. Eli Manning
>17. Carson Palmer
>18. Joe Flacco
>19. Ryan Tannehill

All wrong

>>74649871
the bears are further cementing themselves as the laughing stock of the NFC north
and that's a division with THE VIKINGS and THE LIONS
I mean
c'mon at least try

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>>74649985

>be the Bears
>have a gorillion dollars in cap space
>miss out on every single big name you go after
>have to overpay for mediocre players

JUST

can I get some good Gifs/webms /nfl/?
new computer and I lost all mine

>>74646218
Carr should definitely be ahead of Stafford and Cousins

Rest looks good

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>>74650305
carr is not better than stafford lol

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>>74650296

>>74650339
Outside of that Hail Mary to Boldin Matt Stafford threw 1 TD in the Lions last 4 games

Derek Carr on the other hand had a better than 4:1 TD-Int ratio and led his team to a 12-3 record before his injury

I'd take Carr over Stafford in a heartbeat

>>74650508
Holy kek how did I not see this highlight before?

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What do you think lads?

>>74650558
this tbqh
think about how many times the lions have been to the playoffs with stafford, and how quickly Carr helped them turn into a playoff team from literal garbage, I know it wasn't all him but c'mon, Stafford had one of the best recievers to ever play the game and he couldn't do anything

>>74650305
>>74650339
>>74646218

Where do Osweiler and Kaepernick rank on this list? Are they JUST shit to be shipped to the CFL at this point? Not redeemable at all?

>>74650558
one, carr has only had like 1 and a half good seasons. two, he was on maybe the 3rd best offense in the league last year, and definitely a top 5 unit, and his line was top 3 in the league for sure. meanwhile stafford had a shitty receiving corps, little to no running game, a pretty crappy offensive line outside of decker, and one of the worst secondaries in the league, not to mention that the lions only good pass rusher was injured most of the season.

but yeah, since stafford broke his thumb he's fucking shit for not being able to do as much with marvin jones and ameer abdullah. i'm glad carr doesn't get injured like tha —hey, wait a second...

>>74650558
Stafford had a broken finger the last 4 games.

>>74650654
Stafford took an 0-16 team to the playoffs in 2 years.

>>74650655
Kaepernick's a free agent and Osweiler's about to be

I only put projected starters as is right now

Tony Romo would be top 10 depending on where he goes

>>74650726
*when he goes

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>>74650707
2 years huh
he was really playing out of his skull, good call

>>74650707
Favre played half a season with a broken thumb on his throwing hand
boo fucking hoo

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>I count 2009-2010 Matthew Stafford

>>74650661
>shitty receiving corps

I'd give my left nut for Tate, Jones and Boldin tbqh. Besides Carr has had two full great seasons and beaten some of the best teams in the NFL. Something Stafford has never shown the ability to do. Broken thumb or not Carr is better than Stafford

>>74650654
like carr deserves any fucking credit for how well reggie mckenzie has been drafting lmao. on offense the raiders are fucking stacked. amari cooper, michael crabtree, the latavius murray/jalen richard 1-2 punch, etc. even khalil mack and the raiders pass rush, plus their free agent signings in 2016, make their defense much better than what the lions were throwing out there.

that line only got carr sacked 16 times all year, and he still managed to get injured TWICE. meanwhile stafford took 37 sacks and still actually managed to start in his team's playoff game.

i like carr, he's a good QB. maybe even top 10 depending how you rate some other guys. but to say that he's better than stafford based off of stats when he was the most coddled QB in the league on offense and stafford literally dragged his team to the playoffs is pants-on-head retarded

>>74650707
>>74650817
It was the 2011 season the Lions went to the playoffs so technically 3 years

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>>74650853
>Michael Crabtree is some great WR all of a sudden
>Latavius "4 YPC" Murray is some great RB all of a sudden

It's almost like Derek Carr is making the players around him better

>>74650946
>>74650853
fight fight fight
kiss

>>74650843
>I'd give my left nut for Tate, Jones and Boldin tbqh
yeah because you're a ravens fan and you don't know what a good receiving corps is lol. whatever you may think of the lions wideouts, the raiders had a much better group, and a much better line, and a much better running game. the raiders are so much more complete than the lions top to bottom, and yet stafford was having a comparable season to carr until he broke his thumb, and still dragged his team to the playoffs. what does that tell you about the two of them?
>>74650946
god you really don't know anything kek. detroit's leading rusher on the season was fucking theo riddick with 347 yards. oakland had two different backs with more rushing yards, and murray punched in 12 TDs. just because a player isn't literally the best in the league doesn't mean they can't be better than what's on another team.

>>74650946
murray himself isn't great, but the raiders run game is definitely better than the lions "run game"

i remember that raiders denver SNF where the raiders ran down the buncos throat

>>74650983
>iggles fan shitting on another team's wr's
>drafted nelson agholor

I unironically believe Zach "Great White Hope" Zenner will be a servicable RB #2 for the Lions. He was doing pretty ok for the Lions and now that this line has got a lot better he can make some plays. Still won't say he's great.

>>74650983
I'm not arguing Stafford had a better team around him than Carr at all. I'm just saying Stafford has shown every year to be the exact same QB. He's streaky and incapable of beating great teams

Carr has shown everything the last two years. He is a Superbowl calibre QB. Stafford will make a couple more Pro Bowls before retiring and fading into irrelevance like most middling NFL QBs

>>74651106
Idk if he will get many reps next season. I am pretty convinced the Lions will be getting a RB within the first three rounds. Between Abdullah, Zenner and a new draft pick I don't see many reps going Zenner's way besides short yardage situations. Hopefully the Lions realize that Theo Riddick should not be taking handoffs under any circumstances too.

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>>74651106
He will get buried behind Abdullah, Riddick, and Mixon

>>74651177
I've heard rumors the jets and lions have been in trade talks over bilal powell

>>74651135
Stafford has been a million times better under JBC though. Last year he improved so much, especially when it came to moving around in the pocket and escaping pressure. He distributed the ball a lot better too. I think he's shown a lot of growth the past two years but I'm still not gonna call him top 5. I'm hoping with this improved Oline and running game that we can see an even better Stafford next year. He's never had a running game before so it would be interesting.

>>74651013
not remotely relevant to anything, but hey, you tried.
>>74651135
> Stafford has shown every year to be the exact same QB
completely fucking false lmao. he's changed so much since he came into the league; he used to average like 59-62% completion but the last two years he hasn't dipped below 65%. the first 4 years of his career he threw more than 15 picks every full year, yet he hasn't thrown more than 12 since 2013. he lost a historically great wideout this offseason and still had a very solid year with a playoff berth.

as for carr, i'm not even saying he's bad lol. i'm saying it's silly to put him over stafford with a season and a half of good play. remember when andy dalton was playing like an MVP candidate in 2015 until he got injured?

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waiting for zach brown to be a colt like

>>74651202
If the Lions get Mixon that'd be great. He's a better version of McCafrey, but because of the assault stuff he's not getting coverage.

I hope Zach doesn't get buried because he played his heart out those games I seen him come in. After Zenner had a decent game, Caldwell even tried another back in front of him, dunno why, thinking maybe the run blocking had improved (?), but the guy was still getting stuffed and then when he brought Zenner in he went for a few decent runs.

I'm not saying he's going to be great, but I'd keep him on the roster.

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>>74650946
>when /nfl/ thought Carr was a mediocre QB because his receivers and team were trash

He led how many comebacks last season? 6? 7? and fudged one to the falcons.

>>74651339
he was mediocre

maybe good for a rookie and the awful team he was put on, but he's improved so much since then.

I consider Wentz the same way

I think Wentz will improve a lot into a franchise qb, but until he does I won't rate him too highly.

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>no kicker
>no OL
>Defense is going to probably get worse

we 0-16 now

>>74645413
If he goes to the jets, that will be his last contract. If he goes to the patriots he could cash out after 3 or 4 more years.

>>74651270
What's with this whole "season and a half" thing?

He's played great the last two years and only missed one game. I'd take that two year stretch over any in Staffords career because again he's streaky as fuck. I don't know how you can defend him after the Lions-Cowboys playoff game anyway. Fumbled the ball on the last series down 4 points but had it called back due to a penalty. Fumbled again on the next play ending the Lions season. 3 turnovers in the biggest game of your career is the epitome of Matt Staffords career to date

>>74650946
4 YPC isn't that bad famalam

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>>74645122
>CLE:HOU moved on from Osweiler after outburst

>Osweiler's tiff with O'Brien had been mentioned in passing, but apparently it was the deciding factor in Houston's decision to find a new quarterback. Tom Savage started against the Titans in Week 17 but was ruled out in the second quarter after suffering a concussion. Osweiler lashed out at O'Brien after he was told that he'd be finishing the game, ripping O'Brien for using him only because he had to. As the conflict escalated, Osweiler accused O'Brien of holding him hostage after O'Brien blocked him from walking away. Eventually the two had to be separated. It's common for stories to leak out like this after a messy divorce, but clearly Osweiler was never right for Houston.

>>74651319
Yeah that was strange. I remember Zenner tearing the Cowboys a new asshole and out of nowhere Caldwell put Dwayne "2 YPC" Washington in for the whole second half.

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>>74651319
They need a big guy RB to pair with Ameer desu but Mixon is just such a good RB that it would be tough to pass him up

Also he can also save Stafford too unlike some RBs in pass protection

>>74651270
>remember when andy dalton was playing like an MVP

Dalton performed good in '16, kept the team winning unlike his early career and his retarded HC should've been fired.

Staffords higher completion % is due to the fact Jim Bob Cooter runs a no middle dink dunk offense ( what Peyton used to have, and Brady ).

>>74651465
I dont get this meme

the jets generally have good defenses most years, last year being an exception, it's their offense that usually sucks ass.

Revis was 30 and launched his career with the jets in the first place if that's your main argument.

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>>74651517
this is 2015 andy dalton and 2016 derek carr

can you guess which QB is which?

>>74651489
Exactly 4 YPC is about league average if not slightly under. Always has been

He was saying that Carr had Crabtree and Murray like they were some high level talent he was playing with and not league average players made better by their QB/coaches

>>74651511
>>74651505
2017 looking good so far desu. Hope I don't jix it by saying that. I want to believe, lads.

>>74651569
Everyone played well in 2015

Bortles, Fitz, Cousins, Stafford, Carr and Palmer all had 30+ TD seasons. It was a garbage year for NFL defence just like 2011

>>74651538
>the jets generally have good defenses most years

The AFCE always has great defenses to pop Brady but it never works. Dolphins went all in for Tannehill & Gase and made the playoffs, really makes one think.

>>74651569
Bottom is Dalton obviously
>fewer pass attempts in Hue Jackson offense

You can make an argument they're oline babbies but Carrs receivers outside Cooper are average or bums.

>>74651580
hahaha you're such a fucking liar. i literally said multiple times that i was comparing crabtree and murray to what stafford had. murray had TWICE the yards of detroit's leading rusher, and the raiders also had jalen richard's 5.9 yards per carry (and more yards than detroit's leading rusher).

also, detroit's leading rusher averaged less than 4 ypc , and ALSO michael crabtree had a 1k season with 9 TDs with colin fucking kaepernick, he's clearly better than any receiver on the lions but tate, who has never even had 9 TDs. how disingenuous can you fucking get?

>>74651589
I'm scared about our front 7 situation. DT and LB is scary. I think our secondary is actually pretty good. The whole "highest completion % since merger" thing was more of a testament to how bad our linebackers were. Every team dink and dunked on us through the whole game.

>>74651580
Murrays not really a good RB either, he goes down first contact behind an elite offensive line.. good as a pass catcher.

>>74651643
well it did work in 2009-2010 but it took really fucking good defenses to do it, it's not like they're dumb for investing in their defense, they just have been stuck in qb hell since at least pennington and arguably much longer

>>74651648
Marvin Jones was a good receiver lastyear

>>74651666
Reuben Foster in the first desu. I know it's a reach, but hopefully that medical thing put him off other teams.

Why aren't the Raiders signing defensive free agents? Also what should they do at RB? Promote their young backs? Resign Murray? Go after AP?

>>74651643
he also played 3 fewer games lol, that's mainly why. and michael crabtree is definitely above average, don't give me that shit. you seriously don't know what an "average" receiver is if you think he's it.

and even if he was "average", which he isn't, he would still be better than everyone on the lions but tate, and he's the #2 on the raiders. the offensive talent carr has all-around compared with what stafford had last year isn't even a contest.
>>74651693
for like 4 games lol. he didn't crack 100 yards receiving after week 3, and didn't catch a single touchdown after week 6.

>>74651693
Through the first five weeks when he was on the left side. Then him and Tate switched and Tate exploded. Lions wernt that great in pass protection so it was easier to throw to the left side. Right side routes take longer to develop.

>>74651648
"on offense the raiders are fucking stacked. amari cooper, michael crabtree, the latavius murray/jalen richard 1-2 punch"

Those are literally your own words from >>74650853 this post lmao

It doesn't matter anyway you think Staffords better than Carr I think Carr is better than Stafford. Who fucking cares neither of them play for the Eagles so why are you getting so defensive over my opinion on either of them?

>>74651497
I feel sorry for Brock. At least as sorry as I can feel for a millionaire. He really wanted to be a Peyton Manning/Tom Brady type franchise QB. He studied film, practiced his ass off, showed up early, took all the notes he could. The talent just wasn't there.

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>Marvin Jones was a good receiver lastyear

Triggered

>0 TDs in last 10 games
>7 games with less than 50 yards
>Tons of drops

>>74651735
yeah...? they clearly are stacked. they have the best line in the AFC and two above-average receivers, not to mention a balanced running game and an aggressive offensive-minded coach (who is much better than caldlel). you do know that an offense can be stacked without every single player being julio jones or leveon bell, right?

also how am i getting "defensive"? this is called an 'argument' , defending your points and attacking your opponents are pretty standard. but yeah, if you're done you can just stop i guess.

>>74651778
So Jones is just as streaky as Stafford?

also just for reference if people don't know Stafford was yelling at Eric Ebron not Jones in this WebM

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>>74651809
Very true THIS is the WebM he was yelling at Jones

when Fu Manchu is clearly winning an argument something has gone very very wrong

>>74651840
Dammit I was literally in the middle of posting this when you beat me to it. It's nice having a qb that gets this fired up.

>>74651712
>didn't catch a single touchdown after week 6

Because Tate played as the #1 after he was injured dingus

>he played 3 fewer games
That wasn't the main reason, Dalton handed off to Hill and Bernard with the lead in games.

I agree Stafford did a lot with less but thats a big thanks to Cooters offense taking the stress off his arm. iirc both Stafford and Carr injured their finger late in the season and struggled.

>>74651882
>get targeted 37 times in your last 5 games
>score 0 TDs
that's never good.

and dalton was still averaging 32 pass attempts a game in 2015, it's not like he wasn't throwing the ball.

i'm not even degrading carr ffs, i said i think he's a borderline or even solidly top 10 QB. i just don't rate him above stafford because his body of work is smaller and the help he receives is greater, that's all. if people here really don't think the oakland offense is one of the best in the league even without carr i'm not sure if they've been watching that team.

>>74651840
Hold up I remember watching this final drive I think the first one was actually Jones and this one was Ebron lel

Luck must have been so fucking mad

>>74651846
Stafford carried the lions offense last season but he never had memorable games with the pieces around him Carr has now.

Let's not act Calvin Johnson and his former great oline didn't exist, because CJ is gone the lion's spread the ball, dink to prevent interceptions should their defense blow a game.

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>>74651985
He accepted defeat.

>>74651435
0-16 wins the division.

>>74651999
but isnt that a credit to stafford?

he adjusted his game without megatron and carried a team that had no business in the playoffs to the playoffs

>>74651985
Yeah the Lions wernt amazing last year but they had a lot of fun games to watch with all those comebacks. The Vikings games were great.

>down by 3
>no time on the clock
>Prater nails a 58 yard FG
>That Tate WWE slam into the endzone in OT

>>74651979
>targeted 37 times in your last 5 games

With Staffords bum hand, everyones production dropped. Same happened on the Raiders.

>oakland offense is one of the best in the league
Not even close, elite offensive line yes, without a QB it's browns tier ( look what happened in the playoffs ).

>>74652028
>So this is how Drew must feel....

>>74652082
oh come on, you can't just say "well look how bad this 3rd string rookie was, i guess everyone must suck but carr". the texans defense was one of the best in the league and that raiders team was demoralized as fuck to begin with after losing two QBs in two weeks. outside of the steelers and the pats, who had a better offense than the raiders in the AFC?

>>74652082
>Look what happened with a shit rookie QB against a top 5 defense on the road without the starting LT

>>74652040
It is, but you have to remember what happened lastyear.

Pre Cooter: shit stats, post Cooter: sub elite

His TD:INT was like 17-2 mid season after Cooter became OC, so props to the lions for finding a great coach for him.