What are your thoughts on Gary "save the kids" Lineker?

>>73967130
Good striker in his day. Now very salty because his cosmopolitan liberal beliefs are being rejected throughout the western world.

>>73967215
t. Alt Right McDonalds Fry Server

>>73967229
Why so buttblasted?

>>73967259
I don't get upset over the dregs of society. Otherwise, who'd pump my gas?

>>73967130
BALTIMORA

BALTIMORA

>>73967272
You do seem pretty upset

>>73967215
>liberal beliefs are being rejected in the western world
So when was the last time you talked to someone in real life?

he's the guy who pooped on the field right?

>>73967351
So he says.

Now he poops out of his mouth.

Got drunk the day before England games and now complains about English players not being professional enough.

Good bloke

Tweets/talks about politics far too fucking much.

>>73967130
more like Gary "have sex with the kids" Lineker

good lad

triggers snowflakes easily

>>73967229
>>73967272
When did the left turn against the working man lads?

>>73969311
When they discovered they can quite easily just import guaranteed votes for their side.

>>73969322
>massive defections from the working class to UKIP/Trump

I detect a flaw in their master plan.

>>73967130
probably the last truly good striker england gave

>>73969451
Nah prime Rooney was a monster, prime Owen was very good as well its just his prime didn't last very long before Liverpool broke his fragile little body

>>73967346
when was the last time you spoke to someone off the UC Berkeley plantation?

>>73969342
>UKIP
>massive anything

>

He shags crisps

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His brother is a shady nonce who gives pills to girls of dubious age in his seedy nightclubs.

>>73970300
"I'm Gary Lineker, and I have DirectTV"

"I'm sleazy Gary Lineker, and I have cable"

>>73969304
Well he did show on live tele in his pants.

>>73967351
>shat on pitch

>>73967130
Champagne socialist tosspot. It's ironic because I bet 90% of football fans disagree with his views. The other 10% being the buys-M&S-sandwiches-to-bring-to-the-game crowd (mostly Arsenal / Chelski "fans")

>>73967362
Kek

>>73969308
>he thinks the liberal left aren't snowflakes who cry every time a sad little brown child is told that there's a thing called immigration law
Oh my days

>>73969311
That's the thing. The modern left represents the technocratic establishment, and the right represents the concerns of the working class. Quite a reversal to be honest.

>>73969516
Massive referendum win.

>>73969451
Shearer, Owen, Fowler, Wright, Collymore were all post-Lineker.

>>73967229
lol

>>73969484
literally everyone with any education is socially liberal

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>>73971483

t. undergraduate

>>73971033
>the right represents the concerns of the working class
>this is what /pol/ believes

>>73971638
no theres just nobody with a shred of intelligence or knowledge that would advocate getting literally seethingly angry over the fact that people exist in the world with darker skin than yours

>people ITT really think people like Trump and Farage are for the working man

I'm having a laugh

>>73971667
Do the left anymore??

They seem more preoccupied with minority issues and identity politics, LGBT rights, etc.

Please be careful throwing around words like "left" and "right", which can have severely different meanings depending on the country.

>>73971688
stop getting your information from 4chan, facebook, and mainstream media outlets.

while they dont write it off completely, there is no serious politician prioritizing any SJW agenda over other shit.

its manufactured outrage that both the left and right gobble up gleefully and debate constantly, producing maximum advertising and affiliate marketing shekels

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>>73971667
>the left literally still believes that they represent the working class
How'd that turn out in November for you?

>>73971677
>he is so brainwashed by modern liberalism that he doesn't take one second to think about the fact that different groups of people living in your country wield political power, and the larger these minority groups are, the more political power they wield

I don't give a shit that brown people exist. I just don't want them in my fucking country.

(Unless they're educated and have high-value skills, then they can come, as long as they have a job offer first. It's the mass immigration of unskilled migrants I care about the most.)

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>>73971712
>there is no serious politician prioritizing any SJW agenda over other shit.
So you literally have just been living in your own little bubble for the last year or so haven't you?

>>73971712
What information are you talking about FFS?

I'll but it to you again - do the left represent the working class anymore?

>>73971733

>its manufactured outrage that both the left and right gobble up gleefully and debate constantly

Did you bother reading his whole post, milkmouth?

>>73967362
kek

>>73971712

>there is no serious politician prioritizing any SJW agenda over other shit

LOL, so sacrificing our economy and safety to help out unskilled, unvetted literal whos who hate our culture isn't an SJW agenda?

>>73971483
False

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>>73971808

tfw every brown person who receives social welfare is plotting the downfall of america

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>>73971713
>Unless they're educated and have high-value skills
>he says from his college dorm room using a laptop his parents bought

I really enjoy the reasoning of most people here.

people I agree with = shining beacons of society
people I disagree with = redditors/poltards (depending which side you're on)

Keep at it.

Who here thinks both the right and left are retarded?

>>73971778
>okay so PART of his post was wrong, but maybe the other part wasn't!

No, it was all wrong.

>>73971834
The poor do wield massive influence by collectively controlling a whopping <1% of the economy

le not as cool as his brother man

>>73970300
AKA living the dream

>>73971834
Oh yeah I forgot Trump wrote an executive order saying "anybody darker than chestnut colour can't come - and those who are here will be deported"

>>73971840
People in a country have a right to close their borders to whoever they wish. They have zero obligation to let others in. Visiting a country is a privilege, not a right (I'd love to go to America but I know that I have to be able to offer something if I want a green card). This is the case all around the world - if you want to emigrate to another country you have to go through their official channels and get a visa that allows you to live/work there.

At this point in human history, the working classes in developed countries are getting shafted. Middle class twats like you say "yeah, refugees welcome, woo! Nation of immigrants (oh yeah apart from the eugenic selection at Ellis Island, oh yeah and apart from the Chinese Exclusion Act that was in place for 61 years from 1882 to 1943), woo!"

Because it doesn't affect you. You are lucky enough to have had a good education. You can likely still get a job. You don't live in the poorest areas where lots of people from foreign countries / cultures who despise your nation and have no interest in integrating have decided to settle (well, some of the more extreme of you leftist students do - the really self-sacrifical ones - but most will just buy a sari and think that makes them "cultured or whatever")

Nobody wants large groups of unskilled immigrants, apart from wealthy employers that can employ them for dirt cheap wages, thus exploiting them, and causing competition for the native-born population looking for a job.

I thought the left didn't want a ruthless free-market race to the bottom? Hm. Really makes ya think.

>laptop
Yeah, I bought this laptop mate, and my last one, using money from this thing I had called a job. It's where you exchange your labour for financial renumeration. But a lib like you has probably never heard of one of them have you?

>>73972035
>fighting for the rights of the poor
>then calling someone else poor

fuck off tarquin

>>73971916
They're both shitbird manlets.

P2PBSH

I swear everyone is a snowflake these days.

Everyone is triggering everyone else and if you say anything against their option they can't counter so just label you

the left and right are just as bad as each other

>>73972513
Lel.

>>73972514
>the left and right are just as bad as each other
They're not though are they? I mean, the right certainly display a thinskin on occasion, particularly on /pol/, but let's not pretend their hysterical overreaction is in any way, shape or form comparable to that of the left.

>>73967130
how many refugees did he take in?

>>73967130

Used to be model nice guy. Twitter turned him into an assravaged SJW template along with J.K Rowling and Eddie Izzard.

>>73971033
Kek see a snowflake gets triggered. You and your counterparts on the left are a joke.

>>73972053
I called him poor where?

You do realise me saying he hasn't had a job is me calling him RICH don't you?

Are you genuinely dense?

>>73971688
>They seem more preoccupied with minority issues and identity politics, LGBT rights, etc.
Where did Corby ever mention faggots or niggers?

>>73971808
Immigration is either irrelevant or net benefit for economy. There is data about it ... unless you want to run with muh alternative facts. You could bitch about "I don't want to live next to scary brown people" but economically there is simply no way around it unless you do something about your shitty productivity and lack of automation. Funny enough it goes for both UK and US of A.

>>73971686

While it's true that neither give a fuck about the working class, there isn't anyone else who actually does.

>>73977264
None, but he wants you to take in 10

And don't stop subscribing to BT Sport™

Wouldn't want old Gazza to miss a month's few million bob would we now?

>>73977348
>he gets triggered by people answering OP's question
Wew lad

Start using arguments please

>>73977415
You have no self awareness, very impressive.

>>73967130
I like how he triggered /pol/ fags but other than that, he's pretty unremarkable and boring.

>>73977398
It's not their just don't give a fuck about them, their policy ideas are bound to actively harm the working class. Who do you think will bear the burden when global warming kicks in?

>>73977375
Corbyn is obsessed with which pot a tranny can piss in

>>73977375
>Immigration is either irrelevant or net benefit for economy.
Nope, you're wrong.

And why is it lefties only care for the muh economics argument when discussing immigration?

>>73972684
Have a look at how some conservatives here react if you dare criticise monarchy or the army. Or of course pol and anything race related, particularly interracial sex. The right have done a better job pretending they don't have plenty of shit they react like giant babies about though.

They're all embarrassing crybabies trying to out virtue signal each other while reasonable people in positions of any power to see how shit actually works on an intranational level are bricking themselves at the destruction these 'people' can bring by moving off their useless arses and voting. Dumb turks vote erdogan, dumb Americans vote trump or abstain weeping about bernie, dumb brits vote ukip or snp depending on nationality, dumb pinoys vote duerte, dumb germans go afd, dumb frogs go le pen and so on.

>>73977375
There is absolutely no substantial positive change in GDP per capita resulting from immigration.

>>73977448
That isn't an argument

>>73977375
>Immigration is either irrelevant or net benefit for economy.

Try telling that to people who have lost their jobs.

High-skilled immigration is good.

Low-skilled immigration is bad.

>>73977495
>react like giant babies about though.
By posting heated words on a board? How does that compare to lefty arsepain when they're getting people sacked and criminalised, or stomping around town smashing shit up and setting fire to cars in the name of "democracy"?

>>73977482
Economically there isnt a good argument against immigration. All the recent here suppressed low wages by 1% over the past decade and raisee all other wages. There was a boe paper on it. Of course, migration isnt just an economic argument, but it is very much a benefit economically. The proverbial trillion dollar bill on the sidewalk.

>>73977541
Does it benefit the average citizen or just a nations gross output

>>73977534
What do you think the tea party was and how do you classify marches by the edl? What do you think about supreme court judges being called enemies of the people etc?

>>73977375
Even if I was to say economically there's an argument for more immigration, that doesn't mean you can flood the country with people from outside. I might be remembering incorrectly, but here the magic number where you're considered to be contributing is something like 30k. Which a lot of the low-skilled immigration do not reach.

>Lack of automation
It won't be too long before lorries, trains and some other infrastructure will be driverless. With UBI getting a few trials accross the continent hopefully governments will start making it easier for businesses to automate.

At the moment though lots of places still have accounting departments of say 8 people even though there are solutions that could mean you only need 1 or 2 people.

>>73977448
Please do try and give me an argument though because I think it will be funny

>>73977541
It's a benefit to business owners with a sudden pool of cheap labour but it ain't a benefit for those at the bottom of society who suddenly face much more competition when trying to find a job

>>73977541
>but it is very much a benefit economically.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11209234/Immigration-from-outside-Europe-cost-120-billion.html

>>73977560
As stated it helped raise all peoples wages aside from the very very lowest decile. And that was lowered by 1 percent. Then factor in the tax base and how this migration is younger and not as much of a burden on public services as the native pop, then it still benefits even the lowest paid because of the tax base going to schools, nhs, tax credits etc.

This is all specifically uk based, but most economic theory about migration says similar for the world.

>>73977495
> Dumb turks vote erdogan, dumb Americans vote trump or abstain weeping about bernie, dumb brits vote ukip or snp depending on nationality, dumb pinoys vote duerte, dumb germans go afd, dumb frogs go le pen

Those dumb people voting for their own security! God, how dare they!

How dare they not roll over and die like we want them to!

How dare other people try and do the best for themselves - only *I* am allowed to do that! Grr!

>>73977566
Marches by the EDL? You mean those ones where the "lefty" UAF turn up and start fights?

None of those things were devised out of some over sensitive weirdos incapable of accepting that not everyone agrees with them.

>>73977459
Well, to be fair I don't follow him THAT closely but all the stuff I did hear from him was about the economy and getting the poor unfucked. Sure, some of his ideas are outdated but still better than "fuck the poor" line from Tories one would think.

>>73977482
>https://www.nap.edu/catalog/23550/the-economic-and-fiscal-consequences-of-immigration
There are more, so feel free to use google.

>And why is it lefties only care for the muh economics argument when discussing immigration?
Because unlike "muh scary brown people" muh economics is a very clear topic with a clear answer, not some feelz bullshit.

>>73977522
>Try telling that to people who have lost their jobs.
They do live in an economically stronger country even if their position isn't necessary better. The question wasn't whether immigration is good for poor people but whether it's good for the economy. Whether good economy is good for most people is a more tricky question.

Although even jobless poorfags probably still profit from immigration, since it's less "lazy poor people" and more "scary brown people". The most vulnerable people will always get blamed.

>>73977495
>Have a look at how some conservatives here react if you dare criticise monarchy or the army.
You mean call you a nasty name on the web? Bless.

Look at how lefties react when you don't bake them a fucking cake, or oppose gay marriage, or criticise Islam.

>>73977578
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11209234/Immigration-from-outside-Europe-cost-120-billion.html
Seems to have a sketchy methodology.

>Experts from University College London also said native Britons made a negative contribution of £591 billion over the 17 years – because of the country’s massive deficit.
Going by the study only EU migrants contribute while Brits and brown people are all a drain.

>>73977604
>There are more, so feel free to use google
See>>73977578


>not some feelz bullshit

Like the social and cultural impact of immigration? Just ignore that, right?

If these immigrants are so good, why does Mexico not want them? Why wouldn't these countries try to keep them in?

>>73977575
Lump of labour fallacy, crack open an econ textbook sometime.

>>73977634
>sketchy methodology.
You mean you cannot accept the fact you're incorrect so dismiss it entirely?

What part of Turkey are you from, btw?

sports

>>73977604
>pay $95.00 to read a book

Kek. What a shifty Kraut.

>>73977645
Generally because they have shit institutions that don't allow them to contribute. But let's not pretend that many poorer countries are concerned about brain drain effects of loose migration policies, or even just loss of unskilled labour from the type of person willing to live in a different country to try to make their life beter.

>>73977578
Ok I temper what I say slightly. Admittedly when I think of migration now its all wrapped up in the debate so I focus on eu migration. Non eu, particularly migration linked to bringing over family members can definitely be burdensome economically, or from those who have a lot of children etc

To me this is the great irony of much of the brexit debate and reasoning. The migrants most seem to be concerned about and one that is actually economically burdensome for the state wss the one we could control anyway.

>>73977658
>You mean you cannot accept the fact you're incorrect so dismiss it entirely?
Hey, I am just saying. Going by this study you're a massive drain on the economy, just like your Paki neighbour and only couple EU migrants keep the whole shit afloat.

Also the study is here: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ecoj.12181/abstract

>from 1995 to 2011, immigrants from the European Economic Area (EEA) have made a positive fiscal contribution, even during periods when the UK was running budget deficits, while Non-EEA immigrants, not dissimilar to natives, have made a negative contribution. For immigrants that arrived since 2000, contributions have been positive throughout, and particularly so for immigrants from EEA countries. Notable is the strong positive contribution made by immigrants from countries that joined the EU in 2004.
So basically Polish plumbers are great, while English and Indian ones are useless.

>>73977674
You can easy find the study with google too. I didn't want to link to a newspaper because of the potential muh fake news bitching.

Here you go: https://www.wsj.com/articles/immigration-does-more-good-than-harm-to-economy-study-finds-1474568991

>>73977736
Leave the racism out. no need to be edgy

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>>73977566
>how do you classify marches by the edl?

How dare the working classes of Luton get angry when South Asian gangs start raping their daughters, sisters, and nieces!

HOW DARE THEY!

BEND OVER WHILE WE CULTURALLY ENRICH YOU!

>>73977644
>Just ignore that, right?
You can always discuss them with your /pol/ friends, and with some understanding of history, you'd say that these are positive too, it's just a topic that is way more complex and requires much more time. While something like muh economy is a clear cut yes or no question.

>>73977736
>and only couple EU migrants keep the whole shit afloat.
Do you not understand words?

>So basically Polish plumbers are great, while English and Indian ones are useless.
No English ones aren't useless.

>>73977761
W-where was the racism?

>>73977783
>native Britons made a negative contribution of £591 billion over the 17 years
They clearly are going by the study you linked.

>>73977604
>They do live in an economically stronger country

OH HOW AMAZING

I AM SURE THEY WILL BE THRILLED THAT THE ISLINGTON SET CAN AFFORD A NICE BOTTLE OF CAVA TO GO WITH THEIR ORGANIC TOFU AND GRILLED HALLOUMI DINNER

I'M SURE THEY'LL BE FUCKING ECSTATIC

>>73977772
> your /pol/ friends,
I'm not from /pol/ and am trying to discuss it with you, but understandably, you're incredibly reluctant to actually discuss it because, as lefties are, it's not an argument you have a leg to stand on, hence why you only ever mention the economic argument - another one you constantly misrepresent.

You lads seem to know your stuff, so pls tell me who I should vote for in our upcoming elections

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>>73977792
>as the British economy ran at a deficit.

Interesting that you have deliberately omitted this piece from the article from what you have quoted.

Sneaky Kraut.

>>73977820
AfD, obviously

Unless you want to see white Germans expunged from the face of the planet? If that's what you want then go ahead and vote für Mutti oder Schulz.

>>73977820
You'll vote CDU you why are you bothering to ask?

>>73977804
Living in an economically stronger country tends to have benefits like a safety net and opportunities to learn new skills for free. It's not the fault of immigration that your government fucks the poor or that a guy that just arrived and barely speaks the language is better at doing your previous job.

>>73977806
>you're incredibly reluctant to actually discuss it
Because it's a huge topic, way bigger than the fucking thread. There are no easy answers and to fully debate it, knowledge about the entire picture would be required. Talking about the impact football has on society would be probably more simple.

>>73977896
>if only people supported communism then everything would be hunky dory!

Nah, people don't really want to pay high taxes mate.

People want the freedom to live and enjoy their lives (in return for working hard, of course)

They don't want a shitty multi-kulti shiftfest where they are literally replaced by foreigners on a mass scale.

Give it 50 years and there won't be any Germans left.

>>73977896
>i-i-i don't want to talk about something i know i cannot convincingly discuss

>>73977864
>ukip/ trump supporters post shit like this and then get annoyed when they get called nazis

Vote Die Linke if you'd like an actual improvement

>>73969322
This, look at cities like NYC and LA where you have a mega-rich upper class and then a large underclass who are reliably Democrat, elections are a joke and it's literally impossible to be middle class in these places. I assume London is the same way.

>>73977942
>People want the freedom to live and enjoy their lives (in return for working hard, of course)
Like in Scandinavia? Or France? Britcucks pay low taxes, work a lot and have barely benefits out of it while Arabs and Russians buy up all your property (and teams).

>They don't want a shitty multi-kulti shiftfest where they are literally replaced by foreigners on a mass scale.
So it's life quality or living next to brown people that you prioritise? Try Russia, barely any taxes to worry about, no niggers. Paradise on earth.

>>73977958
Vote Die Linke if you want Germans expunged from the planet.

Did you know that Die Linke objected to a proposal by the AfD that would give grants to German families with each child that they had?

Die Linke said this was "racist" and "völkisch", despite the fact that it would be extended to all German citizens.

It seems Die Linke don't care that Germans are not even reproducing enough to sustain their population, while immigrants are reproducing like bunny rabbits?

Hm. Really makes you think.

But sure if you want your ethnic group to be destroyed then vote Die Linke. Don't you find it funny that all ethnic groups are encouraged to be proud of their ethnic identity - APART from those that are white? Man that's odd. Why is discriminating between these groups purely on the basis of their skin colour allowed? I thought that was racist?

>oh but the evil white people, colonialism, BLAH BLAH BLAH

Well, golly gosh, I guess I better just hang myself right now then! How dare I live! Here Mr. Refugee man, please take all of my belongings, and would you like to fuck my wife as well?

>>73977998
Leave the racism out of this.

Get back on topic or Fuck off back to /pol/ you cunts.

Thread related: Lineker is also a cunt

>>73977998
>Britcucks pay low taxes, work a lot and have barely benefits out of it while Arabs and Russians buy up all your property (and teams).

AND YOU WONDER WHY WE WANT TO REDUCE IMMIGRATION

WOW WHAT A DIFFICULT ONE TO FIGURE OUT THAT IS

>So it's life quality or living next to brown people that you prioritise?

I think people prioritise THEIR SURVIVAL over things like having a new Starbucks open on their street. Yeah I think that's more important to people.

What's funny is that people like you say that you hate nativism, that you hate tribalism, and then you welcome in 1 million people from THE MOST TRIBALISTIC RELIGION ON THE PLANET. You couldn't make this shit up even if you wanted to.

Enjoy it when they're demanding a new mosque in the centre of Berlin. Enjoy it when they demand to wear hijabs everywhere and they demand that you take school classes in Arabic. Enjoy getting buttfucked. Haha. You deserve it.

what did Lineker say to kick this off? I watch MOTD fairly often and I can't recall any political shit.

>>73978009
Grants won't help when wealthy people simply can't be assed with more than two kids. It's a development you see in every wealthy country.

A more effective way not to be dependant on immigration would restructure the entire system since it depends on growth because the shit was made hundreds of years ago.

>>73978040
Reducing immigration won't help you, especially EU migration that is a huge benefit for your economy. May's tax shelter bullshit will do even more harm.

All you had to do was getting rid of Tories.

>I think people prioritise THEIR SURVIVAL
Which you do by improving the economy and then adjusting the legislature so it actually benefits the people. Almost every Western and North European country managed it just fine, immigration or not.

>>73978059
The political shit is away from MOTD. He started calling people idiots and hideous racists when they questioned the ages of some asylum seekers Britain took in last year from Calais.

>>73978064
>Grants won't help when wealthy people simply can't be assed with more than two kids. It's a development you see in every wealthy country.
A minority of self-centred hedonistic artists don't represent the majority of people.

I'm aware that Germany is more cucked than we are, but over here there are literally millions of people on middle-class wages who can't even afford to start families. That's why they're not having kids. BECAUSE THEY'RE DESPERATELY WORKING, DAY IN DAY OUT, TO AFFORD THEIR SKY HIGH RENTS, TRYING TO GET ENOUGH TO AFFORD CHILDREN, WHILE THE GOVERNMENT GIVES THEIR TAXES TO PEOPLE OVERSEAS AND TOWARDS THE EFFORT OF BRINGING THEM INTO OUR COUNTRY TO REPLACE US

Fantastic.

The immigration question literally comes down to survival. Do we, ethnic Europeans, want to survive? It's as simple as that - because at current rates, immigrants are outbreeding us, increasing their proportions among our populations. Which means they gain more and more political power every day, every week, every year.

They have their own countries to live in. We have ours. People of the West have woken up and realised their survival is more important than "diversity". So that's what they're going to fight for.

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It's Rotherham for me lads

>>73971483
This

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>>73978108
>All you had to do was getting rid of Tories.

JUST BE A COMMUNIST GUYS, ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS REPRESS PEOPLE AND NOT ALLOW THEM TO HAVE OPINIONS, IT WILL FIX ALL OUR PROBLEMS

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>>73971483
Wrong

>>73978138
Anon please. Check the development around the world, number of kids is always linked to economical situation sans religious shitholes. Poor people in Western Europed fucked like rabbits and would make any 3 kids muslim family feel ashamed with their 7+ blue eyes, blonde hair kids. Then our economies exploded and it wasn't necessary to have tons of kids.

I know tons perfectly wealthy families with one, two kids who simply don't want more stress. None of them works that long and they all earn enough to allow the other not to work, just why make more kids if they can raise the ones they have now and enjoy their lives fully after the little fuckers grow up.

A much bigger factor than money is the willingness of women from muslim countries to stay at home and raise the kids, since they grew up in an environment that suppresses ambitions of wimin.

>Do we, ethnic Europeans, want to survive?
Anon, where is no we nor them. You are free to live your life however the fuck you want to, just because Ahmed has 3 kids, doesn't mean you have to stop after 1. Feel free to breed as much as you want. Pick a white waifu and bone her as long as both of you can. No one is going to stop you.

>>73978178
>the only alternative to neo liberalism is communism
Yeah, no.

>>73978009
>would be extended to all german citizens
that's the problem there desu, as Germany does not allow dual citizenship and many of the significant turkish minority are not classed as german citizens in spite of the fact that they were born and have lived in germany their whole lives.

It's the equivalent of a BNP/ UKIP policy that would give child benefits to everyone except the "pakis and the poles" etc.

RE: "Volkisch" aspect, it's true that the german conception of nationality is even to the present day thought about in terms of blood/ race- as it was in Nazi Germany. this is even apparent in just translations. This isn't even a disputed fact- with a good example being in the early 90s.

Germany accepted millions of refugees from Eastern Europe after the fall of the soviet union, it was a great economic cost to them, but this was relatively uncontroversial/ had public support as many of them were seen as "ethnic germans" or part of the Volke- even if they never spoke German etc.

So opposing such a policy which would exclude millions of children in Germany seems sensible, as does opposing parties who openly embrace german nationalism and supremacy.

>muh pseudo-science population demographics I read on /pol/ reproduced from discredited stormfront info
Top kek.

Look at Irish catholic mass migration to Scotland as a comparable/ more dramatic example, they bred like rabbits more than current immigrants and are still in a vast minority after 200 odd years.

My "ethnic group" has been destroyed more by the Germans than anyone else in the past century. Our grandfathers fought against them and this poisonous ideology which you seem to have adopted.

I dispute the fact that "every ethnic group is encouraged to be proud of their ethnic identity"- pakis are told to assimilate and stop wearing burkas, told by senior govt figures to support England at cricket, Irish were historically told to stop speaking their language and practicing catholicism.

>>73978287
You guys know that there is already "kindergeld" aka. grants for kids?

1 Child 190 €
2 Children 380 €
3 Children 601 €
additional child 221 €

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>>73978287
>Germany accepted millions of refugees from Eastern Europe after the fall of the soviet union, it was a great economic cost to them, but this was relatively uncontroversial/ had public support as many of them were seen as "ethnic germans" or part of the Volke- even if they never spoke German etc.
Exactly. That should show you how important ethnicity is to people.

If you think it isn't, try telling non-whites that they should stop being proud of their ethnicity.

>muh pseudo-science population demographics I read on /pol/ reproduced from discredited stormfront info
Which bit was that? Which bit is psuedo-science?

>I dispute the fact that "every ethnic group is encouraged to be proud of their ethnic identity"- pakis are told to assimilate and stop wearing burkas
The left, being the racists that they are, are the ones telling every minority group to be proud, and every white person to be ashamed.

>>73978278
>You are free to live your life however the fuck you want to
Awesome. I vote to cut immigration then.

>>73978287
>>73978009
Meanwhile blacks are taught to be ashamed of their dark skin, hence the epidemic of skin lightening both in the west and in the former colonies.

Sure, there are some people from these communities who react against this and want black nationalism etc, but they're a minority + it's somewhat understandable with reference to the centuries of slavery and discrimination. Does it really annoy you that much that a black guy is comfortable with being black nowadays and wants to celebrate it? It's hardly comparable to white supremacist ideology.

>would you like to fuck my wife as well
And here we have it, one of the main reasons for racism throughout the ages- insecurity about becoming a cuck. Toppest of Keks.

>>73978353
Didn't know that, but I just watched a video of an AfD guy proposing much greater grants, I think it was essentially €10,000 for each child or something massive.

But the point is, if it's applied to all German citizens, regardless of ethnicity, then how is that racist and Völkisch?

So Die Linke think it's absolutely fine that minorities reproduce like bunny rabbits but native Germans are hardly reproducing at all? Damn.

I think white Europeans will be the first ethnic groups on Earth to willingly allow themselves to be buttfucked, without ever being defeated in a war to do so. Amazing.

>>73967130
He's a dickhead

>>73978375
>Does it really annoy you that much that a black guy is comfortable with being black nowadays and wants to celebrate it? It's hardly comparable to white supremacist ideology.

When whites are barred from certain jobs, and told they have to apologise just because of the colour of their skin, and told that they should be expunged from all publicly visible positions and replaced with minorities, that sort of rubs people the wrong way.

People can agree to a meritocracy - but the left won't allow a meritocracy, because they want retribution.

Their behaviour shows exactly what whites will continue to face. Every other group in the world wants retribution. They don't want equality - they want us to suffer.

If they feel that's justified, that's their right to feel that. And it's our right to defend ourselves.

>>73978366
>that should show you how important ethnicity is to people
Yes it does, but they're the people whose focus on their ethnic identity lead to arguably the worst horrors in human history. I'm not arguing that race and ethnicity aren't powerful ideas, just that when they've been embraced throughout history it has led to millions of innocent people being killed in industrial slaughter on the basis of their supposed racial inferiority.

>what part is pseudo science
The notion that there is exponential, uncontrollable "breeding" by immigrants and it constitutes some sort of threat. Engage with the historic example I provided, please.

I am white and I'm not ashamed of being white, nor do I go around telling minorities to be proud, where do you get this conjecture from?

>>73978353
Yes I get that, we have the same in the UK, but the policy he's mentioning would only apply to citizens, presumably with a view to increasing the ethnic german population which is seen to be "under threat"

>>73978395
>if it's applied to all German citizens, regardless of ethnicity, then how is that racist and Völkisch?
Well, given it's AfD they probably marketed it with shitty wording. The Linke is a fringe party only relevant in ex DDR places so I don't recall their complain either.

The idea is silly from economical POV, not from muh racism one. Financially there is nothing stopping Germans to breed as much as they want, much poorer minorities manage it just fine. It's a cultural attitude thing and affected by better economical position.

Consider that there would be extra grants for families who couldn't afford a big enough place, some financial help with school stuff (trips, equipment) and of course basically free education. (Like 150€ semester fee)

Women preferring to work instead of being baby machines is definitely not something to blame on brown people.

>>73978395
>So Die Linke think it's absolutely fine that minorities reproduce like bunny rabbits but native Germans are hardly reproducing at all? Damn.
What do you propose to counter this "problem"? Genuinely, bring your argument to a its logical endpoint.

Racial discimination in child benefits? Forced sterilisations for ethnic populations? A chinese style one child policy but only for minorities? All of these sound draconian and unachievable.

>>73978487
>Women preferring to work instead of being baby machines is definitely not something to blame on brown people.

>>73978395


Shhhhhhh, you'll awaken the part of his brain where he stops blaming immigrants for all the worlds problems and his insecurities and starts blaming women and feminism.

>>73978485
>but the policy he's mentioning would only apply to citizens
It already does. German citizens and EU ones obviously if they work or live in Germany.

>>73978485
>I'm not arguing that race and ethnicity aren't powerful ideas, just that when they've been embraced throughout history it has led to millions of innocent people being killed in industrial slaughter on the basis of their supposed racial inferiority.
I guess you're right, like the Armenian Genocide, the Nanking Massacre, the Arab enslavement of subsaharan Africans - oh and Brazil being the largest importer of African slaves during the Atlantic slave trade.

>The notion that there is exponential, uncontrollable "breeding" by immigrants and it constitutes some sort of threat.
It's higher than ours which means they are gaining political power.

Minorities are encouraged to be proud by the left. An associated phenomenon is evident with the Rotherham abuse - the fear of being racist.

>>73971483

>this is what actual libcucks believe

horribly wrong

>>73967280
Good referencing

>>73978487
>>73978552
I don't want Europe to become a caliphate.

It's as simple as that.

>>73978520
Kick them all out, let nations be nations again.

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>>73969342
>massive defections from the working class to UKIP/Trump
>1 MP out of 650

BREXITARDS ARE FINISHED

>>73978485
The UK is projected to have a white minority this century and that's not a disputed statement this is an agreed upon fact

Imagine caring about politics and not just viewing it as the opium for the masses distracion from preocreation

>>73978434
>white people banned from jobs
exaggeration but okay. I don't like the idea of positive discimination either, but I don't see how else in our society we can undo some of the historic inequalities and discrimination. What is a better way?

>muh meritocracy
You genuinely believe that private school, upper class white people controlling every top position is a positive thing based on merit alone? You can't give some people a massive headstart in life over centuries, then all of a sudden stop being racist and tell all the blacks that positions in society are based on merit.

>every group in the world is against me on the basis that I'm white
Genuinely feel sorry for you if you feel this. It's also untrue apart from a significant minority of nutters in the middle east- Everyone else, even muslims, chinese etc *wants* to be like white western people. If you meet a number of them they will tell you that everyone emulates us, it's widespread.

>defend ourselves
Again, if this isn't just rhetoric and you're actually serious, I do feel bad for you.

>>73978569
>EU
the main issue is Turks, who can't have dual turk- german nationality and aren;t in the EU

>>73978670
>You genuinely believe that private school, upper class white people controlling every top position is a positive thing based on merit alone?
Yes, on average whites are much smarter/less niggerishly retarded.

>>73978627
>https://www.theguardian.com/society/datablog/2016/dec/13/europeans-massively-overestimate-muslim-population-poll-shows
You'd have to import millions every year and ensure that they all breed tons of kids and get no access to education and opportunities for them to remain religious to even have a little chance for that.

>>73978689
B-but Farage promised that they will join the EU.

>>73978701
Given that you failed to understand what he wrote, you clearly lower the bar for us.

>>73978670
>>73978670
>but I don't see how else in our society we can undo some of the historic inequalities and discrimination. What is a better way?
Why don't you let someone fuck your wife as well? After all it's not fair - Billy from Glasgow never got the chance to talk to her, so he never got the chance to ask her out. Maybe she would have chosen him over you! It's only fair mate. Let him have a go.

>You genuinely believe that private school, upper class white people controlling every top position is a positive thing based on merit alone?
You genuinely believe this country was less than 90% white before about ten years ago?

There's literally no point in talking you. You want to die. You want yourself to be buttfucked and replaced. Fine. Go ahead. Be buttfucked. If you enjoy being buttfucked then go ahead and be buttfucked.

>>73978761
I didn't read the post he responded to as I come from a nation with more World Cups than you. So pipe down.

>>73978577
Do you genuinely not see the holocaust as a distinct event in human history? Sure other massacres and atrocities have happened, but how does this lessen the fact that you now apparently support a version of nazi ideology?

Listing other atrocities doesn't constitute an argument m8? The Belgians killed between 10 and 15 million in the Congo. Brazil was also the last country to abolish slavery, but how is that an argument that racial supremacy doesn't lead to atrocities? Brazil is still a very racist and unequal country.

>gaining political power
U wot m8

If they gain some representation in parliament or whatever why is this bad? They're still badly under-represented, so in terms of the data this is untrue.

I'm very much of "the left" and we don't encourage minorities to do anything, apart from join parties, protests etc, but we encourage everyone to do so.

>rotherham
Horrible scandal, fear of being called racist was defo a factor, no disputing that. But look at abuse by white men within the catholic church far outstripping rotherham, look at Paedo rings in politics, former PM ted heath, look at Jimmy Saville, look at the current Scandal with football coaches at all levels of the English game with over 1000 men reporting to have been abused- Paedos are in all aspects of our society, you'd have to ignore all other evidence to try and make it out as a muslim scandal.

>>73978649
and?

>>73978825
Oh look, another paki paedo apologist

>>73978824
Nice amount of Euro cups you got there too. Oh.

>>73978725
No we wouldn't. They are already changing the face and shape of our country. And there are hundreds of thousands of them coming each year. So with each year, their influence on our nation grows stronger and stronger.

I don't want that personally. I quite like British culture.

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>>73978825
>Do you genuinely not see the holocaust as a distinct event in human history? Sure other massacres and atrocities have happened, but how does this lessen the fact that you now apparently support a version of nazi ideology?

Need I remind you that Stalin killed way more people than Hitler (and he was a leftist. This is why I hate leftism.)

Need I remind you that Mao killed over three times as many people as Hitler (again a leftist).

Political threads on /sp/ are always a useful reminder as to how reddit infested this board is

>>73978858
The problem is that he, like most young people (like myself) have been brainwashed into guilt by liberal teachers, media, universities.

I was staunchly leftist at university. Then I realised this was LITERALLY just virtue signalling - that really, the thing I desire is conservatism. But these young people are manipulate - they are made to fear genuine expression of their feeling. "That would lead to the Holocaust! So you better just shut up and accept your cultural enrichment! Yes, keep going to work, keep paying your taxes - we'll use them to raise Muhammad's children! There's a good cuck!"

But of course they'll come up with any reasons to stick their heads in the sand.

It's okay though, I have a strong feeling that Brexit and Trump were not the end of this, especially since Geert Wilders' party is set to become the largest in the Dutch parliament, Marine Le Pen has a chance of winning the French presidency (her presence alone is shifting all other candidates to the right, in order to try and stop her success), and the AfD are currently polling at 15% in Germany, which will give them seats in the Bundestag for the first time.

It's looking good lad.

>>73978782
>billy from glasgow is fucking my wife now not mohammed from pakistan
Genuinely mate, I would go to a doctor about that cuck insecurity that dominates your worldview

>buttfucked is bad
>he doesn't enjoy being pegged

Top kek fragile masculinity on show. Enjoy your life of unfulfilling sexual experiences and looking over your shoulder incase a brown man is wanking over your wife.

>believe the country was less than 90% white in 2007
what are you even talking about? where did I even mention something like this.

>upper class private schoolboy detected
>insecure daddy's money wont buy him an "education" and good job automatically anymore

>>73978932
*manipulated

>>73978892
as someone well versed in both politics and history at university level, you remind me of nothing, except of the failings of our education system to produce reasoned, critical thinkers.

>mentioning stalin and mao is an argument
literally primary school political debate

I hate Mao and Stalin lol, you aren't offending my heroes or anything m8

>>73978892
Most of the people who died because of Stalin and Mao were do trying to push a backwards country to modern age. Basically turbo industrialism. Also shitty planning. The amount of people killed because they actually intended to kill them is much lower.

Not defending the shit they did but anon, perspective.

>>73978932
>I was insincere and virtue signalling
>which means everyone else was too

u wot m8

>>73978991
>u wot m8
Can you stop spouting your reddit memes here please?

>>73978858
great engagement with the arguments, I especially liked the bit where I called rotherham horrible alongside other comparable scandals but you read it as me apologising for them

>>73979004
can you engage with some of the points and stop deflecting m8, or if you admit you are out of your depth and an insecure racist I will go to my bed.

>>73979011
Yeah, fuck off you strawmming paki paedo apologist sack of shit

>>73979028
I'm not in the slightest bit interested about your reddit opinions however your reddit memes do not belong here so stop using them

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>>73979063
Nah, only a majority of them are.

http://www.people-press.org/2009/07/09/section-5-evolution-climate-change-and-other-issues/

>>73978935
>He unironically wants to be fucked in the ass
And this is why I don't talk to liberals.

>>73978969
>I'm so reasoned and critical, that's gonna help me when Muhammad is fucking my wife
>The holocaust is unique despite much deadlier genocides being perpertrated by leftists - but ignore that! Right-wing = bad and left-wing = good! That's what I was rewarded for thinking at school! Yes, I'm a good boy! Thank you Mrs. Teacher for teaching me to accept cultural enrichment!

>>73978984
>They killed more people but it's fine because only horrible Western Europeans are ever responsible for their crimes! Everybody else can be let off the hook because they didn't know any better!
>We need to destroy Western Europeans because they have all the top jobs! Never mind that they civilised the entire planet! Oh wait I'm a White European myself - guess I better kill myself then! That's what my teachers told me to think! I'm a good boy!

>>73979011
>I have to say that Rotherham was horrible even though I don't think it really was because I think whites should pay for their horrible historical crimes

>>73979028
I'm a racist. Fuck wogs. I care about my own survival to be honest.

>>73979051
Kek

>>73979114
>I'm a racist.
You forgot to mention how out of your depth and insecure you are but hey that's a start.

>>73979154
>He's insecure and out of his depth because he has different opinions to mine
Don't you know that's called ad hominem my friend?

>>73979114
you're a genuine moron

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>>73979437

I don't care what you think.

>>73978873
>caring about a europa league

>>73970963
Kek

This Germanon living up to every stereotype of Krauts being arrogant stuck up-cunts.

>>73967130
>What are your thoughts on Gary Lineker?

I respect him both as a man and as a soccer pundit.

>>73971733
How does this cunt even sleep at night.

>>73967229
No surprise that left wing maggots have contempt for working class

>>73971483
(((education)))

>>73979154
hey enjoy living in a country with a good economy when the majority of your cititzens will be non-germans in 50 years who do not share your autistic working ethos and do not care a schred about corruption .

Merkel immigration is a good solution if you only think about immediate aspect of it (creates a large demand of domestic goods , stimulates the economy )

In the long run however these people who recently entered your country will never adopt your work-ethos , law abiding culture and other culturally ingrained aspect of life that make germany the economic powerhouse it is .

How will these people ever assililate when the have on average a lower iq and come from cultures who do not care about individual freedom . Just as the 4th generation turks have for the majority not assimilated , i have lived in hamburg so no need to deny this , middle easterners all over europe continue to have the same behauviour as in their home countries .

Refute this please , and explain to me how european countries will have good economies when the people living in them do not achieve the same as indigenous europeans

>>73983513
Germany absolutely BTFO by sideways Germany.
Lovely post.

>>73983591
yeah sorry for the typing mistakes , i was having an autistic rage

The turk probably wont reply though since he knows i'm correct

Where are you Germany???

>>73971865
I think you're retarded

If immigration is good for the purpose of "paying for older people's benefits" doesn't that just delay the problem? Not only that but it exacerbates the problem for the future

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>>73977362
>backtracking this hard

>>73977761
Kill yourself nigger

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>>73977761
>no need to be edgy

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>>73967130

>pic related

>>73989527
My word!!!