The GOAT debate is over.

it was over long time ago

It never was a thing. Laver is #2, by the way.

There was never a debate. But after tonight the trolls have to try even harder to create bait.

It wasn't a debate

He had one more day to recover. Big advantage when it's this close between competition days.

>>73941052
This. Why the hell do they not have them play on the same night?

>>73940911
Nope, it's still Sampras. Frauderer kept winning against literal whos until Nadal and Djokovic came around.

>>73941731
Djokovic and Nadal's era is so shit that a 35 old (who isnt even GOAT apparently) could win a slam?

What's the oldest anyone has competed at an elite level at?

>>73940965
Isn't he from the era of amateurs?

>>73941833
Rosewall made Wimbly final at 39

>>73941850
he did the grand slam as an ammo and as a pro

Djokovic is still better

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>>73941731
>Servebaby
>Couldn't get past round 3 on French Open
>GOAT

>>73940965
1. fed
2. rod
3. sampras
4. nadal

>>73941900
(You)

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║*farts*║
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>>73942030
Even though I hate Nadal and him being a claybabby, he's better than Sampras.

>>73941907
>tournament on a meme surface that's a bitch to take care of and ruins all of your clothes

Playing on clay is so dumb. Why don't we sprinkle some playground gravel or barkmulch on the court and play tennis on that?

Fed
Rafa
Pete
Djok

>>73942051
If Nadal is claybaby then federer won most of his slams in a weak era.

>>73942080
Correct.

>>73942073
Carpet was more a surface than Clay

>>73942111
>nadal wins none of his titles outside a weak era
>can't even beat a 35 year old man

>>73942080
You're cute. You have no idea what you're talking about but it's cute


Fed
Sampras
Rod laver
Agassi
The rest of the baseline scrubs

Fed
Rafa
Rod
Djoko
Pete

this is facts

>>73940962
>>73941028
>>73941048
>>73942030
>>73942222


These. All the others don't know a damn thing about tennis.

This has never been a debate. It's an established fact that Roger is the GOAT. And probably will always be the GOAT.

>>73941668
It's been like this since forever. Better than super saturday, tbqh.

>>73942111
It only looks like a weak era because Federer is so much better than everyone else

>>73942362
*sees flag*

hmmmmmmmmmmm

>>73940965

1. Roger
2. Murray
3. Djokovic
4. Nadal

>>73941907

Sampras was a GOAT all-around player. He wasn't a serve babby. And mud is a pleb surface. Back in the 90s, court differences actually meant something, unlike today. You had specialists for each court. A normal player wasn't expected to win on clay.

>>73942752
>i don't like it so it's a pleb surface

If Sampras was the GOAT he would have adjusted to all surfaces. See: Andre Agassi. End of story.

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>>73942793

Sampras didn't give a shit about clay because it was a meme surface back then. It wasn't considered an equal-tier surface until the media hyped up Nadal.

1. Rog
2. Sampras
3. Djokovic
4. Laver
5. Borg

desu senpai

>>73942886

Based Sweden.

Although Djokovic shouldn't be on the list either.

>>73942840
If you see his interviews talking about it, he clearly gave a shit.

>Nadal beats Fedora over and over
>GOAT debate still up

>Fedora beats Nadal ONCE
>GOAT debate is over

why is /sp/ so far up Federe's butthole?

>>73942943
18>14

>>73942943

Fuck off mudslime

EVERYONE'S face when Nadal ends his career with 20 Grand slams

>rating Nadal itt
are you kidding me? Nadal is just a bull on roids literally waiting for the other to make a mistake. I like him, but he's not GOAT.

1. Roger
2. Sampras
3. Djoko

>>73943112

Based Spain actually being objective (and correct).

>>73943130
And I'm from Mallorca (bonus points)

>>73943110
djoko is cooked

fed will knock him over a couple of times this season to get the ledger back in his favour

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GOAT
O
A
T

>>73943149
German detected

>>73943225
He's Finnish actually

>>73943259
No, you are.

>>73943282
Brilliant fucking observation, Rafael.

>>73943214
and three of them were five setters (plus bird shit lmao)

Does Nadal being a lefty and Federer being a righty have any bearing on why so many of their head-to-head matches are GOAT?

>>73943422
I read somewhere that it does, as in times gone by when Federer's cross court backhand was god tier like it was tonight it was played to Nadal's whipping topspin forehand.

>>73943422

Sort of. It's a terrible matchup for Federer. Nadal was specifically designed, like a Frankenstein monster, to defeat Federer.

The offense vs defense gives lots of highlights.

These are not the baby-faced hot shots I remember idolizing and emulating a decade ago. These are hardened, grizzled veterans. Weathered titans. The giants by which all others will be measured. Nadal's clean shaven face and long locks have given way for a gritty stubble and thinning hair. The slender, graceful Federer from yesteryear now has a face with deep lines and shadows that make hiding his age impossible (granted I suppose four children will do that to you). When he furrows his brow you can see a determination and struggle against not just his opponent, but Father Time. Despite these changes, I still feel like that same high schooler I was a decade ago. I'm still seeing the dichotomy between them that made me really love this rivalry and this sport. Masters of their craft. These are the best players of all time, and a level of dominance like this will not exist again in my lifetime. Both fierce competitors with differing styles and personalities, yet still have nothing but respect for each other. They're the antithesis of one another. Righty. Lefty. Calculated. Charismatic. Ice in his veins. Fire in his heart. Subdued. Loud. The matador. And the bull.

nadal is just a fuentes babby

>>73943475
that and the fact Nadal is right handed playing with his left hand, so his backhand is equally powerful

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>>73943603
>Nadal is right handed playing with his left hand

>mfw I thought you were fucking around and then I looked it up

>>73943656
He's like right handed people that eat left handed.

>>73943422
nadal is actually a right hander

he was made to play left handed to be federer's kryptonite

>>73943680
OK, Wikipedia says that Nadal is right handed, does everything right handed, but was trained to play tennis lefty because it gave him an advantage.

That's incredible.

>>73943744
Yeah pretty insane which is why him and Fed have GOAT battles.

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>>73943552
Nice, can I save your post?

>>73943552
Pretty good post USAbro

>>73943828

Go for it, I copied and pasted from somewhere else.

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>>73943772
>>73943782
>>73943791
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>>73943826
My nigga.

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>>73943826

>people ITT comparing Federer to other tennis players
If you really want a debate, compare him with every other athlete

1. Federer
2. Bolt
3. Phelps
4. Comaneci
5. Chamberlain

>>73941780
>Nadal's era
How the fuck is this Nadal's era?

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>I rate Federer

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>>73940911
>debate
Fed has always been the GOAT

>>73943903
What a qt

>>73946670

Federer is the GOAT sportsman.

Also
>Chamberlain over Jordan

lel

>>73940911
>23-12
After today's match, he cemented his position as GOAT but that's a big stain on his legacy.

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>you were alive to see the GOAT finish his career with class and dignity

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>>73947500

No it's not. They played on clay way more times than any other surface, so it's skewed.

>>73947834
Kobes 81 is my all time favorite sports highlight

>>73947834
>back when goaltending didnt exist and wilt dunked shots that were going in

>but muh H2H

if H2H is so important, then Novak is clearly the GOAT, right? He's got positve H2Hs against both Rafa and Roger, including a current 7-0 (7-0!) running streak against Rafa.

1. Roger Federer
2. Björn Borg
3. Mats Wilander
4. Stefan Edberg
5. Sven "Svennen" Svensson

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>>73947834
Kobr confirmed better than Lelbron

>>73948235
No, it's about slams and H2H. Weeks at no 1 and Master 1000 titles can be added too.

>>73948141
Then why no other player from his era has those stats

>>73940911
It was over a LOONG time ago.
I feel very happy for Federer, i almost cried on the last point.
There will be no other player like him EVER.

>>73948364
Novak trails Rafa by fewer slams than Rafa trails Roger.

>>73948141
they were manlets

>>73943552
Gay.

>this match bookended the rivalry between Federer and Nadal
>being (most likely) their last match in a slam final, this, along with 2008 Wimbledon, will be the most remembered of their matchups, and it'll be the freshest thing in people's minds for years to come whenever they think of the Nadal-Federer rivalry
>in winning against his biggest rival in such spectacular fashion, Federer has secured his legacy as the GOAT without peer
>this match will be THE argument-ending counterpoint whenever someone brings up Federer's H2H against Nadal
>it doesn't matter what happens with Federer's career past this point, even if he wins 0 slams from now until he retires - this result is all that matters

Best timeline.

>>73941900
ouch

I don't care if Djoko beats Federers Slam Count. He's so fucking boring to watch that I'll never consider him GOAT.

>>73943744
His Uncle thought a lefthander would have an advantage. He was clairvoyant. There's almost no left handed players nowadays, so it's always an adjustment for the opponent since they're not used to the angles a lefty can achieve. Add in his freakish topspin and his game is perfect for harassing Fed's high backhand.

>>73943772
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>>73943826
Nicely done.

>>73949612
>who is more exciting to watch
By that logic, Fabio Fognini is a GOAT. Him or Dustin Brown.

>>73949487
Yep. I'm happy I woke up in this timeline today.

>>73949788
He is right. Djokovic does not play good tennis. He is lucky the surfaces are slow enough for him to play his defensive playstyle.

He is not a shot maker. He is a "get the ball in one more time and hope for an unforced error" player like Murray and Nadal.

That is not good tennis.

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>>73943826
>>73943817
>>73943813
>>73943802
>>73943791
>>73943772
Based Fed

>>73947500
It really isn't.

Federer doesn't give a shit about stats like that, he just wants to win as many majors as possible.

To him, four losses in Wimbledon finals are worth one victory in one. And rightly so.

>>73943112
>Nadal is just a bull on roids literally waiting for the other to make a mistake

But that's Djoko too

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>>73949870
>>73949732

Did you know that Federer is actually a huge WWE fan? Him and Isner watch it together. No joke.

>>73949922
I hate Djoko and his family, but he has a better return than Nadal and more shots too.

It's hard to pick a favorite between two players whose game I hate but probably I enjoy Nadal's game a little more because of his insane grip.

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>Djokovic isn't the most technically advanced player ever
http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2011/09/the-perfect-player-revisited/41455/

>>73949926
Federer is a fan of pretty much every sport and athletic event, so I'm not surprised

>>73949863
I prefer offensive, attacking tennis as well, but I don't think you can call defensive tennis bad (maybe not entertaining, though some people love the long rallies). It's a legitimate tactic for what tennis has become. Now, would I prefer Wimbledon to play faster than it used to? Sure. All the courts play too similarly now, but that was done purposely.

Question
Why do the French and British dickride Fed so much. Over the past few years it's gotten really noticeable how you prefer fed winning over your own countrymen

>>73949926
Why does Ronaldo look upset?

>>73949975
That should have said, would I prefer Wimbledon to play faster, like it used to.

>>73949975
You can call defensive tennis bad because it relies on surface tampering more than anything.

A good attack should always outplay a good defence in most situations but theyve fucked around with the surface and the ball to such a degree that attacks are nullified once they hit the ground.

Being a dog and running to the ball for one more return is not tennis. It's short sprinting with a bit of wrist action.

Yes, defence is an important aspect of the game but when players are able to make it the SOLE aspect of their playing style and still win slams, you know there is something very wrong with the sport.

>>73950002
Can't stand him and his fake personality tbqh.

>>73950002
Because neither country has any notable players and they are likely lovers of the sport and not casuals like you

>>73949975
Tennis is that way because Federer will fucking eat every non-defensive player alive as he has done for 15 years now.

Tennis today is a result of Federer dominance and the game changing to beat him.

Which do you guys think is the most physically demanding Grand Slam tournament?

IMHO it's RG

>>73950115
Well said kraut.

And when you say "the game changing to beat him" I hope you literally mean it because they literally slowed the surface down to fuck with his streak and make it interesting again for casuals.

>>73950123
Wimbledon has seen some brutal 5 setters

>>73950077
>You can call defensive tennis bad because it relies on surface tampering more than anything.
Well, yeah, but that's just the players taking advantage of the slower court speed and new rackets/strings I don't blame them for a style of play that works, I blame the tournament directors and whoever else was involved with the decision to screw with the court surfaces.

>>73950123
RG is the most physically exhausting because it isn't tennis. It's Olympic short sprinting with a bit of pong thrown in.

Wimbledon requires the best tennis skill. US Open is a slight variation on it.

>>73950151
It's pretty quick though.

>>73950149
Yes, that (and other things) is what I meant.

>>73950166
>I blame the tournament directors and whoever else was involved with the decision to screw with the court surfaces.

Yes, I don't blame the players either. I'm merely recognizing that they arent great players.

The directors are money hungry fucks and money poisons all sports unfortunately

>this aussie troll

Why?

>>73950115
>tennis could be divided as BF. and AF.

>>73950179
Yea but that doesn't mean it's not physically demanding

Faster court means faster sprints required

It's probably more tiring than RG but RG is more destructive to your joints

>>73950231
It's true just ask Roddick

He was basically the last of that generation, and he (and others) got eviscerated by Roger's precise, perfect shots when they tried to play aggressively

>>73950115
Well, Wimbledon had actually started to slow up when Fed won his first title there. Actually, he even said his ability to play more from the baseline because of the more consistent grass helped him, instead of feeling like he had to serve and volley so much. But it's become ridiculously slow over the last five years. The Aussie Open resurfaced their courts too during his prime. It seems more receptive to spin, which actually helps Fed a bit on his own serve, but it has more kick which allows balls to get up higher on him.

>>73950077

Based Australia, checked.

>>73950237
It's a different kind of tear I guess, Wimbly you need to crouch more and that takes a toll.

>>73950266
Yea Wimbledon is pathetic, I feel like even this years Aussie was quicker than it. I hope they change that to give Roger a 19th slam.

>>73950266
>Wimbledon had actually started to slow up when Fed won his first title there.
Wrong, Wimbledon changed to ryegrass in 2002, look it up.

>>73950237
Points usually end faster on grass though, even if Wimbledon is slower than in the past. Players have to just let balls go that they'd normally try to track down on clay.

>>73950123

Biggest challenges at each:
>Australian Open
The heat. The sun. But, all the players are fresh for it since it's at the very start.

>Roland Garros
Obviously the clay court tennis and sometimes rainy conditions.

>Wimbledon
Obviously the grass. Different bounces, different speeds.

>US Open
Heat (sometimes), wind, and the fact that it's the last slam and at the end of the summer season means that most players are exhausted and/or carrying injury.

Overall I would say USO just because it's at the end of a grueling summer.

Why doesn't /sp/ rate djoko? Genuine question.

>>73950332
Because he is the new breed of tennis player that the directors want to see.

He is the new breed that relies on athleticism > skill and plays like a dog fetching a ball. Same with Murray.

>>73950332

Nobody cares about that boring, robotic, asshole clown.

>>73950356
This

Murray's game is the most pathetic anonymous shit I've ever seen

How that fuck ever won slams is beyond me

>>73950376
His height gives him all the advantages he needs in this new era of slow tennis

>>73950300
Yes, the new grass doesn't cause as many bad bounces as in the past. Part of the reason players served and volleyed was because there were so many horrible bounces. The rye plays like a hard court a lot of the time, though there's still the occasional bad bounce.

There was a change besides the grass, though. Players swear the balls are different, slower, even though I believe the club denies it.

>>73950376
>>73950402

Imagine if the ATP actually sped the courts up and idiots like Murray and Djokovic suddenly started crashing out in R3/4 all the time.

I'm so sick of these fucking boring grinders.

PLEASE JUST SPEED THE FUCKING COURTS UP

>>73950450
It would be amazing but sponsors probably want more tv time or theyre messing with win streaks to get casuals interested in tennis again

There is something about money involved

Now that Wimbledon management has seen the ratings and revenue a Federer-Nadal final run brought to the Australian Open, will they sneakily make their grass faster this year to give Federer a better chance?

>>73943108

Nadal is ending his career with 14 slams

>>73950483
And how will they do that exactly?

>>73950483
No, they want Djokovic to catch up to Nadal in terms of GS titles

>>73950483

No, they want to slow it down to allow a new "grass king" to be crowned. They're probably hoping for Dimitrov.

That and they want Murray to keep winning.

>>73950502
I give him 15 at the very most

Age caught up with his game

>>73950502
>>73950553
If he's healthy for the French I feel like he'll still have a chance there for another five years. That's a big IF for his health, though.

Peak Nadal schools Peak Federer.

Anyone else noticed how well Federer was returning today? Granted, Nadal doesn't have the bggest serve on tour, but every ball was going back to his feet, very deep.

>>73950668
Especially on his backhand. I haven't seen his backhand look that good in a long time.

>>73950639
Peak Federer never had a backhand this good so it's a moot point. Federer didn't really have a peak. He was and is GOAT since 2003.

If you want to argue it though, then Federer schools Nadal on every surface but clay. Fact.

>Nadal hasn't beaten Federer in 3 years
And people think he's as good?

>>73950668
>>73950798
His backhand never ever was this good before. I have no clue how he did it but this backhand fucking destroyed Nadal today. I've never seen Federer win a slam through his backhand. His forehand declined though. Could just be his leg problem though.

>>73950818
>He was and is GOAT since 2003
STFU

ITT: Casuals who only like Federer can't see just how good Novak really is.

It also says a lot about this so called next generation that without Novak around to stop them, Fedal can still make and win Slams in 2017.

Strangely there was more buzz when Federer won Wimby 2012, even though this is far more significant

Maybe people are still in shock

>>73950818
This.

Fed relied too much on his serve in the last 2-3 years.

>>73940911
It should have never been a debate.
>>73941900
lmao have a (you)

>>73950854
How many times have they played in that time?

>>73950904
You mean here?

>>73950938
In general actually, even the news

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>>73950955
Must be the Trump stuff going on.

>>73950962
Awful

>>73950904
Well he did reclaim the world number 1 spot winning that. Federer reaching the final in 2014 made quite a bit of headlines too I seem to remember

>>73950639
18 slams is more than 14. 4 more in fact.

>>73950867
Didn't he make a racket change in the last few years? I think it was Brad Gilbert or McEnroe saying it beefed up the pace of his backhand, but he lost some consistency on the forehand as a result. So your observations are spot on to what they were saying.

>>73950931
Twice

It's more a joke on how nadalfags were saying Federer hadn't beaten him at a GS in 10 years before this morning

>>73950899
>It also says a lot about this so called next generation that without Novak around to stop them, Fedal can still make and win Slams in 2017.
The upcoming generation is freaking awful.

>>73951033
sascha zverev is the next big thing

t. man from the future

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>>73950899
Get ready for next year

>>73950993
He was already with a new racket in 2014 and Nadal still raped him. I noticed a different, more attacking approach to his bh today, barely sliced at all.

>>73950376
>>73950450
Murray changed his game because of slower surfaces. Not a fucking grinder here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTnjCZr35NI
also lol at 2:13.

>>73943552
POETRY
O
E
T
R
Y

>>73950981
Yeah I guess he broke more records that time, but now he broke the most important one

Beating Nadal at a slam that isn't Wimbledon

>>73951061
You're right, he was definitely more aggressive than normal with it, not just hitting stop spin instead of slicing, but taking it early. In the past he'd start to get aggressive with it, then revert to slicing or standing back.

>>73951065
What's always cracked me up about Murray is that he can absolutely bludgeon the ball when he wants to, but he almost never does.

>>73951061
Those fucking cross court backhand smashes man

Fuck why didn't he play like this before

>>73951250
Probably Ivan.

>>73951280
this

Why did Nadal insist on hitting so many to Fed's backhand after he saw how he was hitting it.

Anyhow Nadal didnt look as offensive as he did against Dimitrov, which cost him the AO.

>>73951361
Are you going to hit through his FH?

>>73951361
Because when your best tactic in the match is hitting it to Roger Federers forehand you know you're in deep shit

If Roger were to win two more slams to make it 20, which ones would you want him to win?
2 RGs so his 1 RG wouldn't be so lonely or RG&WO so he'd have the most Wimblys for me.

>>73951484
1 Wimbledon
1 RG

Alternatively 2 Wimb

>>73951484
1 RG to have the double career slam
1 wimbledon to retire afterwards

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>>73951484
Easily one RG and one WO, but that won't happen.

However, it's a little bit realistic to hope for an 8th Wimbley, and that would make me very happy indeed.

>>73951522
>>73951514
Two is a bit greedy, but yeah this would be amazing, especially if he could retire after Wimbly. It's mad to think that without Nadal he could've had 20 easily by now. What a fighter.

Forget about RG guys, he can only be a title challenger on fast courts now.

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>>73950962
christ has there ever been a more obvious roider?

>>73951781
Serena Williams

>>73951781
Nadal

>>73951781
>banned
kek

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>>73943552
great content lad

>>73952077

Thanks. I said I copied and pasted it. It was from a Youtube uploader.

>>73950962
Doesntmakeanysense/10

>>73952777
makes perfect sense (nice trips btw).

Federer is the best (Goku), and Rafa his biggest rival and second best (Vegeta). They are both Saiyans, out of this world. Then you have Djokovic, a robot (Android 16), and Murray (Mr Satan), who thinks he's hot shit, or who most plebs in the UK adore as a champion, but who everybody knows isn't actually worth shit.

>>73952801
Ok

>>73950962
Stan as Krillin and Roddick as Piccolo.

Guys, it's over.

I know who is the best tennis player.

https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=world+tennis+number+one

>>73948307
i chuckled

>>73952801
Novak is not a robot.

When will this meme end?

>>73951058
>no zverev
>no kyrgios
>no edmund
these rankings were definitely pulled out of someone's ass

>>73953720
Android, technically aren't robots.

Reminder that Serena played 4 sets more in the whole tournament than Rafa did over the course of Friday-Sunday and she expects to be paid more than him

>>73953834
That's not how it works darling

>>73953834
MISOGYNISTIC RACIST

>>73953834
How does the viewership compare for women's tennis vs men's tennis in terms of throughout an entire major?

>all this actual discussion
>barely any meme comments

Is tennis, dare I say it, the patrician sport?

>>73954014
Hard to determine isn't it. The only other way to make a comparison is in the non-combined 2nd-tier events, which the men dominate in terms of tickets sold/audience figures.

>>73954014
The Williams final barely filled RLA, Fedal filled the center court plus Margaret Court Arena.

>>73948307
based mohammad spitting truths

Fedemperor is GOAT

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║*farts*║
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>>73949612

>Djokovic
>beating Federer's record

Pick one

It would be over decades ago if Borg didn't retire so young, that guy was a monster.

>>73954835
Europebaby

>>73954835
Borg basically ragequitted after being unable to win the US Open for the nth time.

Who will win in a 2004-2007 Fed and 2014-2017 Fed clash?

prime Fed
>sublime forehand
>mediocre backhand
>decent serve
>great movement
>arrogant mentality

post-2014 Fed
>average forehand
>average backhand
>great serve
>average movement
>tempered mentality

>>73955430
forgot to add
prime Fed
>zero tactics, relies on intuition and pushing opponents around the court

post-2014 Fed
>has tactics, plays with more variety

>>73955430
>peak federer vs. grandad federer

Even asking such a dumb fuck question

>>73955430
>Who will win in a 2004-2007 Fed and 2014-2017 Fed clash?

The Vietcong.

>>73954835
Yeah what makes you think he would have suddenly been able to win in New York and Melbourne if he hadn't quit?

>>73951065
Yeah it's sad really. Murray was so entertaining to watch in his first few years on tour.

>>73955522
He was 26 he reached four US Open finals. It was hardly Sampras at Roland Garros

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>>73940965

>>73955555
checked

>>73955522
Melbourne is a bit of a moot point considering he only played there once when he was 17

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>mfw Stan is still the No.1 Swiss

>>73955611
Nobody cared in those days because Straya was too far, kek.

>>73955647
is this why Australia decided to take revenge on the world by shitposting?

>>73954835
If Federer retired at the same age as Borg he still would have won more slams. Borg's record looks so impressive because he retired young.

Why can't Maurie win in Melbourne?

>wake up
>Goderer still the undisputed GOAT
feels fucking good lads

>>73955735
Borg won his 11 majors before he had even turned 25 and never played another major after the US in '81

Federer only had eight at the same age and two of those were AOs, something which Borg only played for once.

>>73955877
My point is they were roughly similar, Federer reached 11 still aged 25. If he had retired then his strike rate and winning percentages would look a lot more impressive, which is the reason most people seem to claim Borg as GOAT tier. Sustained winning and dominance is part of what makes up a GOAT, something Borg never gave himself a chance at.

>>73940911

No, it's not. Tennis doesn't end with this cocky cunt, Djokovic is the real GOAT.

>>73955972
Istomin>Djokovic

>>73955957
>My point is they were roughly similar
No, that wasn't your point at all.

>>73942943

Because americans, brits and germans are thinking Federer represents them, the western world, when they lack a barely good tennis player they had to borrow the swiss one. Really pathetic and can be noticed when Djokovic is winning. Westerners (anglos especially) are fuming mad.

Long story short, they are scared of a Serb becoming the GOAT with 19 grand slam titles.

>>73956002
It was the point I was trying to make, I expressed it poorly. No need to go full autism.

>>73956029
>tf
>tp

>>73956029
I don't like Fed, and I don't like Djoko either.

Stan in the man. Fuck the rest.

>>73956029
Djokovic is a manufactured player. Even his "joking" is the product of fluff upgrades to his operating system.
At least Nadal is genuine in, and blissfully unaware of his autism (and inability of piecing a complete English sentence).

>>73953834
Did actually say she wanted more or just the same?

What gets me is the women want to play 5 sets the Slams just don't want to change

>>73956160
Oh go fuck yourself Fed and Nadal's entire good guy images are PR and media created.

Has the Swiss media said anyhing yet

>>73957208
http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/he-s-back_federer-wins-18th-grand-slam-crown-in-australia/42916458

>>73950123
Wimbleton easily because of the no tiebreak rule

>>73957455
every slam has that except the US Open you silly burger

>>73950123
RG for sure
W is about adapting to change in conditions, and UO is about gas in the tank

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Era_tennis_records_%E2%80%93_men's_singles

of the records Fed doesn't already have, what do you guys see him picking up?

pretty much guaranteed:
- most GS appearances
- most matches won at wimbledon

should happen:
- most matches won on grass
- consecutive seasons reached a final (any tournament)
- most weeks ranked top 4
- most weeks ranked top 5
- most weeks ranked top 10

hopeful bordering on overly optimistic :
- outright leader in most wimbledons
- outright leader in most us opens
- most matches won (all tournaments)
- most masters finals
- oldest world #1
- most year end #1 rankings

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>tfw I wake at the first 2 thoughts that go through my head are;
>FedGOAT won his 18th
>Romanian gypsy and Spainsperg literally still seething half a world away if not swinging from the rafters
>mfw

>>73950318
>Australian Open
>The heat.
I remember when Djokovic retired due to heat in '09 while he was trailing kek

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>>73940911
But who is the COW?

>>73958213

ohomoooooo

>>73958213
According to MOOrka it's Stan lol.

>>73958225
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/tennis/rogerfederer/11237410/Roger-Federers-wife-Mirka-called-Stan-Wawrinka-a-crybaby-on-court.html

Fucking KEK. Bantz to death by a woman.

1. Federer
2. Sampras
3. Nadal
4. Borg
5. Laver

POWER GAP

6. Djokovic

>>73958258
Hahahah

>>73958258
>>73958448
>Get called a cry baby
>Turn up to interview after you've just been crying
lol. This what happens when athletes break the 4th wall and engage fans (yes it was Mirka but she's still not playing), it gives the fans power and lets them know you got to them.

>>73958258
mirka literally plays every point roger is playing, this is a known fact

>>73958511
They never stopped playing doubles lad, she just plays mindgames from the crowd
>neon pink jumper to distract your eyes
>Bantz
Truly the GOAT couple

>>73958511
>mirka literally plays every point roger is playing

What do you mean by this?

>>73958819
Pretty sure it was a meme some bullshit article or interview made to make her look more significant when talking about him with her cheering/reactions etc. Vietnamese Tennisbro is a good guy.

is roger white?

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>>73958862
Yes lad, as white as the French National Flag.

>35 years old
>first tournament back after 6 months off
>beats his biggest nemesis for the first time in a slam in a decade over 5 sets
>beats four top 10 players to win the title
>wins back to back 5 setters
>not even sweating at the end

lmao, nothing suspicious here folks

>>73959003
>30 years old
>GOAT-esque career ravaged by injury
>first tournament back after months off from another injury
>Almost break your own record vs Verdasco for longest Semi-Final match when playing Dimitrov at 4 hours 56 minutes
>Literally play again 17 hours after that match concludes
>takes his biggest nemesis to 5 sets anyway and still lose despite having a 72–2 record in best of 5 set matches
>not even sweating at the end

lmao, nothing suspicious here folks

I bet you are the same Rafaroach who only shilled Rafa for 2 weeks and only crawled out from under the fridge in the 2nd and 4th set and disappeared quickly thereafter. Sad.

Is that Joaquín Phoenix?

>>73959063
I don't care for Nadal either.

I love the whataboutism from Fedfags on this. Both are blatant frauds. Doesn't really matter since pretty much every tennis player is at it, but still. Just sick of the fawning over Federer.

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>>73959099
Success breeds jealous fag.

>>73959105
back to MTF you go

>another slam won without having to beat a prime djokovic and nadal

just add it to the rest of the pile. must be about 12 now. all utterly worthless

>>73959125
What makes a slam not worthless?

>>73959099
>I love the whataboutism from Fedfags on this. Both are blatant frauds. Doesn't really matter since pretty much every tennis player is at it, but still. Just sick of the fawning over Federer.

Why would Federer be juicing? He has the skinniest physique of all top 10 players. His stamina is excellent because he trains in Dubai for months. That's how he keeps his fitness despite his age.

>>73959116
Another worthless post alongside all your
>WEAK ERA
posts

>>73959125
>a non prime fed beating a closer to prime nadal

kek lad. Fed is 35 and had a larger layoff than nadal at 30

>>73959125
>Slams
>worthless in any capacity
My sides will never adapt to this level of delusion. Keep calling slams worthless and prepare for your inevitable aneurysm when you can't refute normies say "But Federer has more slams tehehe"

>>73959347
Could you imagine those sorts of people interviewing players?

>So you won the AO but because you didn't beat Novak, doesn't that make the title worthless?
>Well the $3.5M dollars cetainnly makes it worth it

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>>73959363
KEK.
The social anxiety, the inevitable awkward handshake, probably vomiting and the prufuse sweating from an autist of this calibre would make for great viewing as long as the winner was briefed that the interviewer was mentally handicapped beforehand.

Who would you want to be #2 in terms of slams? Nadal or Bot? And how many slams?

>>73959399
Nadal 2nd with 15 or 16. His powerful grinding play style, heart and never give up attitude plus his positive emotional outbursts at winning a point are much more entertaining than a boring Djokobot who (literally) can't handle the heat like AO '09. While many will say he's a clay babby if he retires second in Slams he could be regarded as the greatest clay player in history, if not already and that's nothing to sneeze at.

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thank u based g.o.a.t.

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>browse tt
>realize some fucking normie stole the memes from this Dominican croquette-chopping forum to spread his faggotry like pic related

>>73959468
He's rigtht though,

>>73959548
Not sure what autism the thread entailed to lead him to say that but I think all sportspeople whether individual or in a team have to believe they are the best in the world at what they do and no one can beat them, if they didn't they'd probably break and give up mentally.

>>73959202
>doping only involves taking steroids

Cretin

>>73958038
I just want him to win one last Wimbledon and announce his retirement during the trophy ceremony.

>>73940911
that's not andre agassi

>>73960055
>all-my-hair-was-gassi

>Pat Cash getting all buttflustered
What's his problem?

>>73960086
what did he do?

>>73960113
Said Federer taking a MTO was 'legalised cheating'. Apparently he didn't feel the need to speak out against it, during the years Nadal and Djokovic pulled the same shit.

>>73960127
He's always bitched about it though. Get your facts right.

>>73959347
>>73959386
Why you so angry?

>>73960086
>>73960127
He did though, and he's right. It was blatant cheating, and he done it at the except same point in the match against Wawrinka

>>73960181
>he done it at the except same point in the match against Wawrinka
In a match where Wawrinka had already done the exact same thing?

>>73960181
>you're allowed to take only 1 off-the-court MTO every match
>federer only does that during the changeover between sets and before the set he serves first
>answers the interview that "well I've never done this before, now I'm old, I should give it a try innit?"
but yeah, keep the salty "m-muh disrupt rhythm" meme flowing, because Federer was never the victim of an opponent taking MTO in the MIDDLE OF A SET. Jog on.

>>73960173
>Why you so angry?
You're mistaking anger with enjoyment. Like watching a child get frustrated that they can't put a square peg in a round hole before they have a tantrum the posts I'm replying too are comic gold.

>>73960197
well first of all, irrelevant it's still cheating regardless. secondly wawrinka was in tears of pain and had to noticeable change his gameplan to restrict his movement as much as possible, i am willing to give him he benefit of the doubt. im not willing to give it to federer after he did it two matches in a row after losing the 4th set and continued to have perfect movement both before and after the MTO's. thirdly federer's vague, scrambling and embarrassed answer when asked by the interviewer after the semi confirmed he didn't have an injury

federer cheated. simple as that. almost every player has done it at least once. why are his fanbase so desperate to maintain his >le classy guy image?

>>73960237
>because Federer was never the victim of an opponent taking MTO in the MIDDLE OF A SET. Jog on.

did i, or anyone, ever say these occurences weren't cheating?

why are you so desperate to make federer out as the good guy? he cheated. can't you just admit it? are you that much of a sad-sack fanboy?

>>73960237
>Federer was never the victim of an opponent taking MTO in the MIDDLE OF A SET

Examples of this please.

>>73960251
don't think we ever mentioned
>le class
once but Federer mentioned about pain in the quadriceps region after the Wawrinka match.

>all injury is supposed to impair your movement
well, the thing that could affect his movement the most, which was his back, didn't get fucked up. Nadal in 2014 AO final had a fucked back as well, after he took the MTO he started the 3rd set very slowly, but as the meds kicked in his game began to pick up.

>>73960274
Nadal took an MTO during first set of 2011 RG final, when Federer was leading 5-2.

A side note about MTO and calling the trainer. At the Hobart tournament in the run up to the AO, in a first round match, both women tried to retire at the same time after playing 1 game so that they could take part in AO qualifying instead of the tournament they were in

Also: if it's in the rulebook, then it's legal, and if it's legal, then it's not cheating. "le legalised cheating" is literally mental gymnastic that Pat Cash memed up because no one listened to his rambling.

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>>73960251
>well first of all, irrelevant it's still cheating regardless.
Nah bong. Not only is it within the rules, Federer also had an MTO to receive treatment for the same injury during his match with Wawrinka who also took an MTO after he went 2 sets down which you could say disrupted a dominant rhythm of Federer too. Players are also allowed 2 bathroom breaks, so if Federer had taken a 10 minute shit are you going to say he's cheating as well for leaving the court.

>Wawrinka was in tears of pain and had to noticeable change his gameplan
Anecdotal dick sucking you know nothing of what Wawrinka was going through.

>>73960269
>did i, or anyone, ever say these occurrences weren't cheating?
So you are equating Stan or anyone who takes their allowed MTO under the allowed RULES as a cheat? Ok.

>are you so desperate to make federer out as the good guy? he cheated. can't you just admit it? are you that much of a sad-sack fanboy?
Ad hominem attacks and obsession by the bong who posted GOATDAL for 2 weeks then got BTFO and disappeared from the game threads post match.

>>73960269
>>73960274
Samefag also but not that it matter with this level of autism going on.

>>73960294
>women
>relevant to discussion
>doesn't even list the women they are that irrelevant to the conversation
kek

>>73960317
When are women's names ever relevant?

>>73960294
that was hilarious, so glad the chick who 'won' the race to retire bombed out in the first round of quallies

>>73960325
The one who 'lost' the race to retire went on to win the tournament too, meaning she couldn't take part in qualifying after all

>>73960332
yeah the reason they were both racing for it was because even getting into the next round meant they missed quallies

>>73960367
women's tennis is such a joke but life on the tour is brutal indeed

>>73960298
Cheating (verb)
1. act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage

it's cheating. why can you not just admit Federer cheated? thousands of players do it.

>>73960314
> Wawrinka who also took an MTO after he went 2 sets down which you could say disrupted a dominant rhythm of Federer too. Players are also allowed 2 bathroom breaks, so if Federer had taken a 10 minute shit are you going to say he's cheating as well for leaving the court.

yes I would say that. lots of players do it, Raonic for example.

there's enough anecdotal evidence to give wawrinka the benefit of the doubt. there isn't any whatsoever for Federer. but yes, both were as bad as each other in my eyes.

>So you are equating Stan or anyone who takes their allowed MTO under the allowed RULES as a cheat? Ok.

i am equating anyone who takes an MTO or extended breaks in order to attempt to affect an opponent a cheat yes. Nadal has been a proven cheat for years. Djokovic has done it in finals against Murray. Now you can add Federer to the proven cheat list too, and probabky Wawrinka too.

>>73960298
>"le legalised cheating" is literally mental gymnastic that Pat Cash memed up because no one listened to his rambling.
This, I don't know why people even bother listening to that retard.

>>73960294
KEK, I thought women were supposed to be good at planning and multitasking. If you are playing a tournament to get yourself in the groove for qualifying for a major why would you pick one in Hobart that overlaps with those qualies beyond the first round.