Is this true?

>>24683144
No, there are plenty of skinny women with unattractive faces.

>>24683144
Lol, no.

No
Women have to be clean no one likes smelly vaginas.

Only thing is be rich
and confident.

>>24683144
yup

women are trash

>>24683144
As a femanon, this is spot on pretty much

>>24683144
Nos women also need the

Stable job
Be clean
Smell good
Be confident but not too confident
Have nice hair
Makeup, but not too much makeup.

>>24683564
I think this is probably accurate and what's happening is more men are more willing to put up with unattractive shit to get laid.

>>24683564
>Makeup, but not too much makeup
Lol the daily struggle

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This certainly feels true.

also funny pic

No, it's actually the exact opposite.

>>24683564
>stable job
Dudes are always more heavily pressured in terms of finance.
>be clean
>smell good
>confidence
give or take, confidence to the point of competing is often a turn off
>have nice hair
>make up balance

Really, outside of the 2 i commented on it isn't that hard. Please try to grind out the 6 pack and earn at least 70k minimum to enter the realm of "longterm material"

>>24683144
True to who?

Heavily biased

>>24683144
I'd say it's a gray area that leans a lot more heavily "yes" than "no".

Girls have to have some of those things to get the guys they *want*

Guys have to some of features(especially confidence) if they want to get any girl 'at all'.

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Just the bitches on /soc/. This board will skew your perception of reality.

Believe it or not, most women you meet out there arnt all that shallow, really. They are pretty much like us dudes, really, their psychology isn't alien.

But, when you look at the type of men and women who are realistically on /soc/, vast majority are straight socially retarded. Very few of the girls have anything to offer beyond T and A, but the men are so desperate almost all of them think they are -much- better catches than they are. Some are cool as fuck though, just harder to find.

Most duders and chikas out there are average looking, normal people, who end up with other average looking normal people.

Most of you neet infestation who believe this don't understand; it's not about being rich or having a six pack. It's about being mature enough to understand a job is a necessity to being a mentally healthy adult, and chicks don't care about the six pack, they just don't want your four hundred pound ass because it shows you are mentally ill for letting yourself get to that point, and the lack of care for your own health and even the slightest self control speaks volumes about your character, as in, it's shit, and you should feel bad. Worse of all, you're probably boring. A girl wants to live an adventure, go hiking, kayaking, diving, and on vacations. She wants to have fun. Watching you play splatoon is not fun.

TL;DR---It's not true, you just want it to be, so you can blame something else like always. Because it can't be your fault, then you would have to face how legitimately terrible a person you are. And because you won't face that, you will never fix it. Keep blaming the girls, not like you have anything else interesting to do other than vidya and 4Chan.

>>24684424
>Believe it or not, most women you meet out there arnt all that shallow, really. They are pretty much like us dudes, really, their psychology isn't alien.

Hmm, are you actually suggesting to people on the internet that perhaps other humans are also human regardless of gender? Absolutely ridiculous, I'm the only thinking and feeling being on the planet and you can't prove me wrong.

>>24683564
Stable job is absolute crap, many guys with money would date a beautiful girl who worked at Walmart

>>24683144
Of this were true then ugly faced women would win beauty contests too but I never see that happening

Not even a little. Just something created by a lonely, bitter fuck.

yes thats true women can be totally useless and still get away with it.

>>24685399
i would date a beautiful man working at walmart
actually i would date a regular looking man working at walmart

fuck you

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>>24683163

>Implying you wouldn't fuck a butterface.

>>24683605

>And it was not a mutual understanding that united the men of the Earth.

>No act of war, or subjugation.

>No great cultural subjugation to be endured.

>Peace between all men was achieved this day.

>And it was due to the unanimous hate of fat chicks.

>>24683195
Wise man

No. I'm a skinnyfat babyfaced late 20s guy who never exercises, is poor/can't hold down a job, but I've had sex with 25+ women and had a few steady relationships. If you're in a group of friends that includes women and you've proven to be fun, trustworthy, and non-dramatic, you will get laid.

>>24684424

lmao, fuck anon, I'm glad there are lurkers like you out there chiming in to these shit convos and bitterness echo chambers every now and then.

>>24683144
No, girls need to be clean too.

>>24684424
>A girl wants to live an adventure, go hiking, kayaking, diving, and on vacations. She wants to have fun.
Last time i hang out with a group of people, all the girls didn't even want to walk and prefer to sit on a bench. Sorry, tv shows and anime are not like real life.(Funny, you talk like the beginning of sakurasou no pet na kanojo) People are usually shallow and uninteresting.

>>24683144
To a certain extent but it's not that simple, as usual.

>>24686318

For some reason I can't imagine this scene without all of you being in highschool.

>>24686494
Well, yes. We did those things even when we were in high school. Still, a lot of people do the same shit over and over again even if 20+ years old. As i said, tv shows and anime are not real life.

>>24683564
First world problems

>>24685459
But you're a dude right?

I've found that I can pretty much sum up men and women with one sentence.

Women want, and men want to be wanted.

>That is to say, women want things, status, wealth, attention, etc. Men on the other hand just want the woman he's interested in to want him, so he acquires all that shit so that she will.

>>24683144
No, I'm female, not fat but my face is still ugly

>>24683994
Please don't try to imply that you need to be ripped to get a girlfriend

>>24683144
looks like a butthurt beta with no prospects got rejected

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>>24686318
>Last time i hang out with

Are you kidding me? I'm assuming English isn't your first language, otherwise you're really doing all the autists out there a deservice by enforcing the stereotype.

>Sorry, tv shows and anime are not like real life.(Funny, you talk like the beginning of sakurasou no pet na kanojo)

Coming from someone who knows what the shit Sakurasou Desu no who gives a fuck is, I really doubt you've had enough social interaction with average people to have any idea what you are talking about, or enough experience with reality to have any idea what it is or isn't like. I work in a bar, I have a good idea of what average people are like, bromaximus. You ever been to a bar?

>People are usually shallow and uninteresting

Thats because your idea of interesting is watching sakarakaka not ever getting laid no autismo. Let me ask you something. Name ONE, fucking ONE interesting thing you've done in the past month. ONE interesting conversation you've had with someone face-to-face.

And the sad part? There's a girl out there for you too, but you wouldn't want her. Because only mirrored in someone else can you really see how much of a sad, pathetic, no-accountability or responsibility hack you are.

Get a job, stop spewing anime shit like this is highschool, realize video games are just like your toys when you were a kid and you need to grow out of them and LIVE YOUR FUCKING LIFE before it's too late.

kind of, but mostly yes.

For us girls,
Not being too fat is definitely easy and for the most part that solves it.
But you can have a poorly structured face, poorly structured body with little developed feminine features.

And don't even think about having any body hair.
You guys can't even get off to a girl if she has any body hair.
Girls have to shave their legs, their armpits, their happy trail, and their mustache, just to not be a fucking hideous sight.

Yes I said mustache. Over half of all girls grow mustaches, but we wax and then go nuh uh nope don't even talk about it what mustache?

And our arms. I don't grow arm hair, but still, that's alot of fucking shaving.

A man that has that whole list checked off is a either a god or a tryhard.

I personally prefer a guy with big arms and shoulders, dresses kinda skater and casual like me, is confident, has control over his life (usually means he has a job), is funny/social/charming. The rest is either koolio or just makes him fucking 11/10

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>>24686994
Not the op. Lurking. Found this...
Ten U.S dollars says your self-serving cunt with no actual interesting life besides
"muh bar"
"muh expansive life experience"
"muh deep meaningless quotes"
makes me laugh to myself to think that if anyone knew what the fuck they where talking about, and would act as if they themselves aren't the very same scum filling this thread.
Your fake and salty as fuck about it.
You lie to these people to feel like you have answers you yourself need. Criticize the very flaws that you yourself need to solve. Further compounded by some over generalized quotes about life and pretentiously act as if your word matches up.

You'll be mad and try to disprove me, I cant prove it right.. You can't prove me wrong. So like the topic... Who the fuck knows anymore.

TLDR; man or woman, your a salty lieing bitch, who feels they must "prove something" to people who are suffering the same afflictions as you. But...its understandable.

>>24687034
>"Dresses skater like me"
>"Over half of girls grow mustaches"
Naw, you have more testosterone than you should which is why you grow facial hair.

>>24683144
that "man" looks like a fag

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>>24687058
>>24687058
Why would I be salty over someone else who has the balls to state their opinion? Sticks and stones may break my bones, but I'm not a fucking femanist.

If anything, I agree with some of what you're saying. I am being an asshole, but these people piss me off. Yeah, I'm a self centered prick, but I do more good than these stay at home NEETS who think they are good people because they white knight on the internet.

As for neither of us being able to prove each other wrong, that's one of the only things anyone has said in here that's in line with reality. Of course some dudes and gals think like OPs post, but not even close to the majority.

As for your assumptions about me, I've made plenty of assumptions about these faggots, so that's fair. I pretty much do just care about my job and my wife. I don't give a shit about making these people feel bad, but maybe one of them will hear what I'm saying and change something about themselves. The reason my pictures have been quotes is because there's a lot of people way smarter than either of us, and we should pay attention to their words. I'm not sure what you are implying I'm lying about, that I actually go outside?

Hell, out of this thread, I like you the most so far. At least you're not fucking delusional.

>>24687097
Dressing skater doesn't mean I dress like a boy.
I wear converse, skinny jeans, etc.

And you'd be wrong. Half of all girls grow facial hair. I do not have too much testosterone, i'm actually one of the prettiest girls in /soc/. I won't post my pic because us girls don't like to admit we grow hair anywhere.

If you had enough experience in girls, you'd know most of us grow a light mustache.

The fact that you believe this means we have more testosterone than we should, or have something wrong with us, is why we hide the fact. Exactly my point.

Ask any girl you know. Nicely, of course.

>>24686661
You think women don't want to be wanted?

Jesus christ you have such a fucking victim complex.

Boohoo you're fat and smelly, these standards are too hard. Women are the shallow ones.

>>24687618
There is an evolutionary, biological, and societal reason that men want to be wanted. The entire human species values men on their ability to provide and to create.

Find a man who has no job, has no mechanical skill, and isn't incredibly good looking and find somebody who would want to be their partner. Good luck.

Now find a woman with no job, no mechanical skill, and isn't incredibly good looking, and you will still find a large amount of men who would want her. Hell, there are women with zero personality and a hundred mental problems who post on /soc/ that are a 3/10 at best, and they consistently get rated 6+, above average.

You see it everywhere that even unattractive man that have wealth and power have women flocking to them. Danny Devito, Bill Gates, that guy who was in Sons of Anarchy and Hellboy, that guy that looks like Kif from Futurama.

Those are four very unattractive men that have wealth and power, and women cream themselves over them, not because they care about those men as individuals, but because of the status that they project there are still women that want them.

That's why men aspire to achieve, because they know women won't want them for their personality, and they want to be wanted more than anything else.

That's also why men who don't achieve kill themselves at exceedingly high rates. If you don't have wealth, power, or status women won't want you, and in the end the thing that almost all men want is to be wanted. Be it by women, or by society, but the only way to achieve that is by accumulating things.

Women on the other hand are "wanted" just for existing, so they don't need to be wanted, since that's just normal for them.

>>24687618
Preach it, friend. Fuckin truth.

>>24687618
Also it's weird to assume I'm fat or smelly just because of an anonymous post on 4chan.

It's interesting how women's first reaction is to insult the physical appearance of somebody they don't agree with.

I'm actually pretty fit and hygienic.

>>24687703
how do you even know a women is who replied to you

>>24687860
Post ID. "For us girls" in previous post. Etc.

>>24683564
>Stable Job
Not at all
>Be clean
I mean as long as you shower
>Smell good
Same as the one above
>Be confident
Maybe a little, as long as you're not super awkward
>Have nice hair
Eh, not really
>Makeup
Nah, not to me at least

>>24687034
I get off to hairy girls all the time, as my porn history would tell you if I didn't browse incognito.

Meanwhile I'm a relatively decent looking guy, have good teeth, bathe regularly, etc. But because I'm not 6'whatever, don't pull in an 8 figure income, can't afford to live on my own, or by Rolex watches and a new Ferrari every year, don't have a 9" cock, and my hobbies and musical preferences aren't conventional, I'm going to die alone while ugly women who work at the same job I do who smell like rotting cat shit and are in even worse financial shape than me still get men.

An ugly woman is still 100x better off than an average guy.

>>24683144
No, because the woman can be fat and guys would swarm like being unhealthy is attractive or something. There's even a big girls thread for some forsaken reason.

Guys have to have something going for them. Whether it be looks, wealth, charisma up to really good levels.

A girl can be handicapped in some way (paralyzed, blind, deaf, etc.) and she'll still have someone. Even mentally illnesses are romanticized. Try and tell me it's still cute and charming with a male with any of those.

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>>24688200

Ok. I need to end this nonsense.

53%
Percentage of unmarried U.S. residents 18 and older who were women in 2014; 47 percent were men.
Source: America’s Families and Living Arrangements: 2014, Table A1
<http://www.census.gov/hhes/families/data/cps2014A.html>

So by your logic, 53% of all men in the US are 6'0 or over, make an eight figure income, buy Ferrari every year, and have a 9' cock. Sorry brofetti, but you're just wrong.

>An ugly woman is still 100x better off than an average guy.

88
Number of unmarried men 18 and older for every 100 unmarried women in the United States in 2014.
Source: America’s Families and Living Arrangements: 2014, Table A1
<http://www.census.gov/hhes/families/data/cps2014A.html>

THERE ARE MORE SINGLE WOMEN IN THE UNITED STATES THAN MEN. Heres a helpful tool for you.

http://labs.time.com/story/see-the-ratio-of-single-men-to-women-where-you-live/

/thread

>>24688369
>Women make up over 50% of the population
>Marriage between more than 2 people is not legal in all states besides Utah
>The VAST majority of marriages are straight
>51% of the population in the US are women, therefore 53% of the unmarried population are women is a pretty fucking close number

Still comes out to a weirdly uneven number, is the percentage of man on man gay marriage that high?

You're also talking marriage. A legally binding contract. A legally binding contract where the man loses half of his shit when the woman decides to divorce him, or in the event he divorces her.

>Not realizing that the same amount of women are married as men but women are a larger percentage of the population

>>24688369
Also a quick google about marriage and divorce by gender found this study that I haven't finished reading.

https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2013/article/marriage-and-divorce-patterns-by-gender-race-and-educational-attainment.htm#BLS_table_footnotes

Of the group in the study:
84.3% of men were ever married
89.5% of women were ever married

42.7% of men were ever divorced
49.9% of women were ever divorced

But here's where it gets more interesting.

When you break it down by level of education, the gap becomes very apparent and may prove the point of women not seeking underachieving men or men who failed to achieve.

For men:
Percent ever married.
Highschool dropout 77.5
Highschool graduate 84.2
Some college 84.3
Bachelors degree or higher 88.0

For women, on the other hand.

86.2
90.3
89.6
89.9

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>>24688420

I don't really see anything to argue with in this post, you raise good points, but solid statistics for 'dating' are hard to find. Marriage is the closest example with trustworthy sources.

And the way you describe marriage makes you sound bitter. While the law discriminates when it comes to kids and custody, no question, financially it's not always the man who loses his shit. It happens to women as well, whoever is richer, really.

>>24688444

That is interesting, but the only numbers that stand out where the difference is significant is in High-school drop outs. But that just solidifies what we all know, really. Uneducated people are generally more shallow, or so I would assume, so the women of that demographic are more likely to discriminate based on looks and income.

>>24688444

PS-
Nice trips

>>24688488

What percentage of women are made to pay alimony vs men who are made to pay alimony?

>>24688501

A quick search proved how wrong I was on that point, I concede immediately. Jesus Christ, that's way more one sided than I imagined.

>>24688501
There was a pretty "viral" case a couple years back, I believe it was in the UK but I don't remember specifically who it was.

Basically, a rich woman had a house-husband, and when they divorced the court ruled that she had to pay him a huge alimony as he was "accustomed to he lifestyle", that's the same argument the court uses for women to get massive alimony checks from rich men.

When that court case went viral on the internet there were news outlets and internet "journalists" calling for the government to abolish alimony, because now women are earning more than men and they're worried that men will start winning alimony payments in a divorce.

>>24688509

Yeah, it's like 3% of all alimony recipients are men.

Basically if you're born male, and you're not born to a wealthy family with good genetics, you're fucked for life. Even genetics have shown that throughout history, less than 50% of all men will ever reproduce, while most women will. Almost every woman I know has a boyfriend or a husband, while most of the men I know are single, and the ones that aren't are in management positions, or taller than 6ft.

>>24683144
For a woman, adjust it to be: Have the body type that's in style, and don't think too hard about anything or have any real interests.

Girls with actual opinions and hobbies have a lot of trouble.

>>24688522
>TFW I've been trying really hard to find a woman that has any hobbies or interests besides pop culture and movies

I don't fucking know anything about "J-law" or have any idea why I should care. Have a damn personality and be interested in something, I like people who are passionate about something that isn't pop culture/movies.

>My standards are too high, I'm a failure of a man

>>24688521
Both of my sisters, all of my female cousins, my niece, and my mother/aunts all married at or around 18, to older guys.

One of my sisters had been married 3 times by 35, and the other 2 times. My niece is still on her first because she's only 19, but my aunts have both been married more times than I can count.

My mother has been married 3 times, my father on the other hand just once. None of my male cousins or nephews are married or have any girlfriends as far as I know. My brother's been single, I only have fuck buddies.

So, that's a "genetics" argument. Within the same family, all of the women are married or have been married multiple times, while most of the men only married once or not at all.

And most of the men in my family are above or close to 6 feet and at least average-above average in facial aesthetics besides a few of my cousins.

On the other hand, none of us are rich. That's just some anecdotal evidence but eh, it's something I've observed throughout my life.

>Also my sisters have kids from multiple fathers, each, and one of them is married to a guy that isn't the father of either of her kids.

>>24688537
Yeah, I'm with you on the personality thing. I don't understand your green text, or what what you said has anything to do with what I said, but it's definitely hard to find passionate people. Harder to find passionate women, because they've got more options to just stop caring and set up shop in someone else's life.

>>24688597
>Girls with actual opinions and hobbies have a lot of trouble.

>>24688574
My dad's on his 3rd wife. I'm hoping this one sticks. And also that he never talks to me again. I've done the analysis, and every single woman he's dated either married him, or broke up with him. That may sound tautological, but the emphasis is THEY broke up with HIM, while he clung desperately.

My mom just divorced her second husband (who she spent two decades with), and I think she's just done. I take more after her, except more extreme. I'm not going to jump through hoops for a woman; if they don't want me, I don't want them. Horribly lonely, even still. There're a few really cool girls that like me, but circumstances put me pretty geographically far from them.

>>24688602
They do! Folks like you and me that care about, encourage, and like that sort of thing are rarer than I think you believe.

>>24686994
Tell me one time you had fun without spending a lot of money. Cause, degenerate 20 years old "i'm better than you" you can't live like this forever. You are just pathetic and irresponsible. You think "have a job" is the only responsibility in life. You just need to grow up, if this wasn't just a bait.

>Name ONE, fucking ONE interesting thing you've done in the past month.
Not even a week ago i went to an extreme metal concert. There. You? Went to a bar and wait that someone get drunk because otherwise is the most boring shit to do? Grow up, please.

It's true, if you remove the don't be fat part as well.

If you don't understand why women hold incredibly significant biological value over men than you are pretty stupid.

These threads will always be filled with normies spouting their anecdotal bullshit arguing about "N-NO MEN HAVE TO DO THIS" or "N-NO WOMEN HAVE TO DO THIS". But the reality is that empirical data ranging from our DNA, to our modern mating habits and dating statistics, all the way to aboriginal tribes, and back down to our closest genetic cousins shows that the 80:20 ratio has been, and will continue to be for quite a long time, a fact of our very biologic design.