MAXIMUM OVERKILL

>>9162962
>/x/

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>>9162965

What do Nootropics have to do with /x/?

>>9162969
They're pseudoscience.

>>9162962
>not just buying meth

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>>9162970

Have you even done your research one any of the compounds in the OP, you mongrel?

>>9162962
Apparently modafinil is a good buy too.

>>9162970
>vitamins are pseudoscience

>>9162982

Already got that, it's great for robot like productivity but shit for creativity/connecting the dots.

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>>9162977

I have arachnophobia.

>>9162981
If by "done your research" you mean read wildly exaggerated summaries about preliminary research designed to sell snake oil, then no.

>>9162983
>Consuming vitamins does anything for those who are not vitamin deficient
Holy shit you're dumb.

>>9162990
>You can't overdose on vitamins

>>9162996
>You can't overdose on vitamins
What the fuck? Are you illiterate? I think all those pills are actually making you dumber.

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>>9162990

>>>9162990

>Selegiline, a literal parkinson med is psudoscience
- https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/selegiline#section=Top
>MK677 proven to increase growth hormone levels to the maximum's body own potential is psudoscience
- https://www.reddit.com/r/Nootropics/comments/2mn0rh/thts_mk677_review_and_blood_work/
- https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/Ibutamoren
>Tianeptine reports are very clear this compound works as an antidepressant.
- https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/selegiline#section=Top
>Magnesium shown to relax muscle, improve sleep quality and aid mood
- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23853635
>Choline ward off against dementia and might improve memory
- https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/choline#section=Top
- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22071706
>Vitamin D shown to increase testosterone levels if deficient, improve joint health and mood (It might very well treat seasonal affectional disorder). ''Pseudoscience''
- https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/Vitamin_D3
>Vitamin B12 shown to have a link between neurological disease, cognition and energy levels ''Psudoscience''
- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3257642/
>Melatonin shown to increase sleep quality, rem sleep periods and also an anxyolitic for people who suffer from anxiety and immsonia.
- https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/Melatonin


NSI-189 is still in research, and SAM-E is more speculation at this point. But to call the mayority of those compounds pseudoscience as if they were homeopathy meds, is fucking silly. .

>>9162996
You can overdose on anything retard, doesn't mean it'll do you any good in smaller amounts.

>>9163020
>Taking a Parkinson's med when you don't have Parkinson's is pseudoscience
Yes.

>A comment on reddit is pseudoscience
Yes.

>Taking an antidepressant when you are not diagnosed with depression is pseudscience
Yes.

>Taking an insomnia med when you don't have insomnia is pseudoscience
Yes.

>Taking a dementia med when you don't have dementia is pseudoscience
Yes.

>Taking a testosterone med when you don't have testosterone deficiency is pseudoscience
Yes.

>Taking a neurological med when you don't have a neurological disease is pseudoscience
Yes.

>Taking an anxiety med when aren't diagnosed with anxiety is pseudoscience
Yes.

LITERALLY the same fucking fallacy over and over again. Is that you Linus Pauling?

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>>9163027
>>Taking a Parkinson's med when you don't have Parkinson's is pseudoscience
>Yes.

Oh sure, because we all know increasing dopamine on healthy people don't let to better productivity attention and motivation. Such a fucking fallacy.

>>9163033
t. no education

>>9163033
>Oh sure, because we all know increasing dopamine on healthy people don't let to better productivity attention and motivation.
Uh, no. We don't. That's like saying we all know dopamine makes you addicted to things, therefore Selegiline will make your personality more addictive. More retarded popsci pseudoscience please, you are just proving my point with every post.

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>>9163027

>Implying must people are completely healthy
>Implying most of the western civilization is not deficient in vitamin D and Magnesium
>Implying Choline hasn't shown to improve cognitive performance on healthy individuals, at the same time it wards off against future cognitive decline and dementia
>Implying higher dopamine levels do not increase motivation and focus on healthy individuals
>Implying higher growth hormone level does not lead to better sleep, weight loss, better skin and faster injury recovery on healthy people
Wew

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>>9163044
>Uh, no. We don't. That's like saying we all know dopamine makes you addicted to things, therefore Selegiline will make your personality more addictive

Which is true.

>>9163044
>>9163049

Parkison meds tend to make patients suddenly discovery a hidden artistic side, or develop an addiction to re-creative gaming. So yeah, hardly ''retarded popsci psudocience''.

http://www.webmd.com/parkinsons-disease/news/20130131/some-parkinsons-patients-discover-an-artistic-side#1

https://www.livescience.com/48361-dopamine-drugs-hypersexuality-gambling-addictions.html

>>9163045
>Implying must people are completely healthy
I'm so sorry you can't read. Maybe you do need a neurological med.

>Implying most of the western civilization is not deficient in vitamin D and Magnesium
Did I not just say that vitamins are useless UNLESS you are deficient? You really are illiterate.

>>Implying Choline hasn't shown to improve cognitive performance on healthy individuals
It hasn't really. Only a few low quality studies.
https://academic.oup.com/nutritionreviews/article-abstract/73/8/500/1809796/Effects-of-choline-on-health-across-the-life?redirectedFrom=fulltext

>Implying higher dopamine levels do not increase motivation and focus on healthy individuals
>Implying higher growth hormone level does not lead to better sleep, weight loss, better skin and faster injury recovery on healthy people
Proof?

>>9163049
>Which is true.
It's not. Brain chemistry is much more complicated than that.

>>9163053
>Parkison meds tend to make patients
Good luck with your Parkinson's then.

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>>9163058
>>Which is true.
>It's not. Brain chemistry is much more complicated than that.

Proof? How do you reach that conclusion if trials show dopamine increasing drugs to make patients become more addictive, impulsive and creative? Which is literally what everyone fucking reports when they take other dopamine increasing drugs like meth or cocaine.

>>Implying higher dopamine levels do not increase motivation and focus on healthy individuals
>Implying higher growth hormone level does not lead to better sleep, weight loss, better skin and >faster injury recovery on healthy people
>Proof?


>https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/12/031204074202.htm
>https://www.news-medical.net/news/20130611/New-study-explores-effects-of-growth-hormone-on-the-skin.aspx
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23568653
I hope you not daft enough to ask proof for the effects of higher dopamine levels on cognition & mood.

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>>9163062

Not an argument

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>>9163071
>if trials show dopamine increasing drugs to make patients become more addictive, impulsive and creative
>patients
You just can't stop doing it can you?

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>>9163083

There's no research on the effects of Selegiline on healthy people, obviously. But we know dopamine increasing compounds work on healthy young adults perfectly fine to increase motivation and focus.


It is to be expected Selegiline would affect normal people the same way too, which I am willing to try on myself.

Keep acting like a spastic.

Chad is that you?

>>9163071
>>https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/12/031204074202.htm
>The study is apt to provide impetus for high-end clinics and spas already offering growth hormone injections to "treat" old age, but Costa is cautious about drawing any conclusions from his research about the merits of the therapy.
>"Our liver regeneration studies tell us a great deal about how growth hormone works at a molecular level, but the injections occurred only over short periods of time, giving us no information about any long-term consequences," Costa said.
>While several studies have shown that prolonged growth hormone therapy has dangerous side effects ranging from diabetes to carpal tunnel syndrome, Costa believes that short-term treatment with growth hormone could be used to speed repair after injuries or surgery in the elderly, shortening recovery time.
How does this help your argument?

>>https://www.news-medical.net/news/20130611/New-study-explores-effects-of-growth-hormone-on-the-skin.aspx
>It seems everyone's talking about human growth hormone (hGH) these days. CNN, Fox News, The Today Show, The Dr. Oz Show, Shape magazine… even Vanity Fair have all done features on hGH.
Aaaand that's where I stopped reading. Literally popsci pseudoscience.

>>9163071
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23568653
>During aging, there is a pronounced decline in the total amount of slow-wave sleep (SWS), which coincides with reduced activity of the somatotropic axis.2 This is a likely contributor to age-related memory deficits, as SWS is critical for the formation of long-term memories.3 It has also been demonstrated that pharmacologic increases in SWS preserve sustained attention and reaction time in humans, implicating it in cognitive functioning more broadly.4 These findings suggest that sleep loss, especially SWS loss, may contribute to age-related cognitive decline. As exogenous GHRH is known to stimulate sleep (especially SWS5), it seems plausible that the favorable effects on cognition in response to GHRH observed by Baker and colleagues stemmed from improved sleep architecture. Using the Pittsburgh Sleep Quality Index,6 which is a comprehensive self-report measure of sleep quality and impairment, the authors did not find improvements in self-reported sleep quality in response to their intervention. However, as no objective measure of sleep was administered (eg, polysomnography), it cannot be ruled out that the beneficial effects of GHRH on cognitive functions in cognitively healthy and cognitively impaired older subjects were mediated by changes in sleep architecture.
This is a comment on a paper saying that the authors found no evidence for the proposed mechanism that GH improves congitive function by improving sleep. Did you post the first three results you found on google? Try reading next time.

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>>9163098


>Growth hormone
>Literally pop-sci pseudoscience

>Says this dude as the bodybuilders inject 12ui day for maximum mass lean gass, fat loss, improved sleep and awesome skin. On top of bigger fingers, cranium, guts and pretty much everything else.
Yeah dude, HGH IS FUCKING HOCUS POCUS. GYPSY MAGIC, MAH D00DS.

>>9163093
>It is to be expected Selegiline would affect normal people the same way too, which I am willing to try on myself.
So you're a chump who will buy overpriced snake oil because MUH INTUITION.

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>>9163102

I never claimed Growth hormone increased cognitive function :^).


Try reading next time.

>>9163103
>Asks for proof
>Posts non-proof
>W-WELL IT'S NOT MAGIC MUH DOOD
Yup, you lost.

>>9163108
>I never claimed Growth hormone increased cognitive function :^).
I didn't say you did, I said your source doesn't do shit to support your argument. Again, learn how to read.

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>>9163106


I don't think you understand what snake oil. No one is fucking selling me Selegiline over the country while claiming to have magical effects, I am literally having to buy it without a prescription for my own research and experimentation.
Next you're going to say Da joos are behind it all.

>>9163113
>No one is fucking selling me Selegiline over the country while claiming to have magical effects, I am literally having to buy it without a prescription for my own research
That's how snake oil generally works moron. If it was prescribed by a doctor it would actually work. Why do you think vitamins are so popular?

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>>9163111
>I didn't say you did, I said your source doesn't do shit to support your argument. Again, learn how to read.

I claimed growth hormone leads to fat loss, lean mass gain and improved recovery from injury, which the paper you memearrow'd shows.

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>>9163118

But Selegiline is literally prescribed by a doctor, you fucking spastic schizo. It's approved by the FDA for Parkinsons, depression and ADHD.

>>9163121
>I claimed growth hormone leads to fat loss, lean mass gain and improved recovery from injury, which the paper you memearrow'd shows.
No, it does not. Again, you posted a comment on a paper that talks about failing to find evidence it improves sleep. I'm sorry you don't understand how to source from scientific journals. Maybe if you did you would not be wasting time on this nootropic nonsense.

>>9163122
Prescribed as medicine for diseases, you fucking moron. Not as a nootropic. That's what I've been pointing out all along. Fuck, you're dumb. I'm out. There is something wrong with your brain that does not allow you to parse simple sentences.

>>9163128

Yes, please go out of this thread into the real world. Where healthy young adults take drugs that increase dopamine and choline for the effects of motivation, stress resistance, focus and memory improvements it has. (on top of being physically addictive).
It's like I am talking to a fucking alien.

>hey sci if i buy all dese placebo bills will it make me smarter?

just use meth you little pussy

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>>9163144

Becoming smarter was never my plan.

>>9163144

Tell me about Meth, do you take it? Dosages? Cycle? How do you deal with side effects?


Cost?

Ditch all of that and buy some peptides. GHRP6 and CJC1295.

>>9163161

I think I'll just buy coke and a sex escort

the subject whether its worth buying all that is outsides anyones knowledge. if you're smart just buy healthy local and organic food. that shit cant fail ujavascript:;

>>9163261

Does Organic food really make a difference?

>>9162962
Remove the tianeptine. You really shouldn't be taking that, unless you absolutely known what you're doing, which you sound like you don't.

>>9163425

I've heard it's addictive, is it true?

>>9163420
No, he's a moron. Organic refers to environmental practices [which barely make a difference if at all] and has nothing to do with the nutrition or quality of the product

>>9163429

Okay, good to know because organic food is expensive as fuck.

This whole tread is fucking retarded.
You DO NOT need to take vitamins if you're not deficient.
Hypervitaminosis of different vitamins is a thing.
If you're diagnosed as being deficient then take the prescribed vitamin.
After reading your posts op I think the only thing you're deficient in is IQ points, I'm not even kidding I know a sub 90 IQ person who just like you spends all his money on vitamin supplemens. Seriously though when I first met him he wasn't even that retarded but now a year later it just seems like his brain has degenerated. He's doesn't use mobile phones because the screen will cause retinal cancer and he refuses to go out and play any sport because playing under the sun causes cancer.
I hope you now realise how retarded you sound, you need to see a psychologist more than you need these vitamins.

t.medfag whose whole family is full of doctors

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>>9163637

Thanks for the hearty laugh, drama queen.

>>9162962
How about studying and following a healthy diet instead? Oh right, that's too much work. Better spend 300$ on pills and believe in astrology instead!

>>9163756

I already follow a healthy diet consisting mostly of veggies and lean meat. 70% veg 20% meat 10% fruit and other shit

>>9163763
Why would you include vitamins and choline in the list if you already get them from your diet then?

>>9163788
Because he's retarded.

>>9162962
this is really good bait. no one is this stupid right?

>>9163788

Vitamin D3 is mostly acquired through sun exposure or eating fatty fish, which are expensive where I live.


B12 has been conjectured to ward off against diseases like parkison and other neurodegenerative diseases when taken on dosages way higher than one normally gets from diet alone.

>>9163788
>choline

Choline seems to be a nootropic at high dosages, the kinda of dosages where one would have to eat 9 fucking eggs a day to get.

>>9162982
Not really, i bought some years ago when i was ill around exam season - it has no noticeable effect until later in the day when your energy doesn't quite trail off like usual. Not a wonder drug but i still use it once a blue moon if im constipated because it empties you out.

>>9163846

How effective Modafinil is depends a lot on genetics, and whether or not you are already a high performer.

To me, Modafinil is incredible. My mind becomes completely focused and silenced, I can work for 8 hours straight no problemo. I took the drug for 3 months, and I did more work in that short period of time, than in my last 2 years combined combined.

>>9163420
i dont think it does nessecarily but it feels like a more safe bet in terms of quality.

>>9164848
I used it most of the past year to work consistent 16 hour shifts while studying through the night shift
Good shit
Except every morning and following evening I feel like I'm going to have a heart attack

>>9165548
>Except every morning and following evening I feel like I'm going to have a heart attack

Damn, the worst I get from Modafinil is disassociation when coming off, things become spooky.