Nuclear Power

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Just a reminder that if our country wasn't full of environmental pussies we would have had a nuclear powered plane by now.

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Even though nuclear is the superior energy source, it gets the least government support. Anybody that hates nuclear power hates humanity and deserves a helicopter ride, just a reminder.

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>>9153443
Just a reminder that humanity could have become a type 1 civilization by now, if we dropped bombs to generate electricity.

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>>9153443
Cherenkov radiation is so beautiful

>>9153461
That looks like it would be a horribly inefficient method of extracting energy.

>>9153449
At least your country utilizes nuclear to some degree. It's completely off limits in mine, all we have is a fucking research reactor to create medical isotopes. These fucking greenies are holding us back from our true energy production potential

>>9153477
It's not very cost effective because nukes cost a lot to make.

>>9153494
Think of the environmental hazard. Do you know how bad Chernobyl was?

How can we get people to adopt nuclear power again? So fuckin strange that normies were in love with nuclear after hiroshima, but now they are pussing out. Probably has to do with millennials and years of fearmongering

>>9153461
Yeah, but they really fucked up initial testing for that one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Gnome
https://books.google.com/books?id=msBBarIrmJYC&lpg=PA102&ots=Y9caD88G95&dq=project%20gnome%20steam%20reporters&pg=PA102#v=onepage&q=project%20gnome%20steam%20reporters&f=false

They thought that hey, the salt dome will contain all the radiation, so they invited scientists and reporters to show just how safe it was. Well they fucked up and it spewed radioactive steam and dust right in front of reporters and scientists.

>>9153477
doesn't matter, because it's half fusion power

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>>9153497


Actually, using nukes would be super cost-effective. A fission bomb is expensive but a thermonuclear bomb is literally just a fission bomb but with super cheap lithium deutride fusion fuel. Costs the same but much more explosive. There's really no limit to how big of a thermonuke you can make. So as long as you use really big nukes, it would be super cost effective. Just like project orion.

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>>9153499
That happened because the reactor was made by literally a bunch of retarded monkeys aka communists. Wouldn't ever happen in America you fucking pussy.

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>>9153449
it's not very practical. Because shielding is heavy, you can't afford to shield the whole reactor. So it's hard to handle when it's on the ground.

Now what we really need to do is build a space rated nuclear reactor. One with moving parts for thermal conversion so we can get more power out. That would solve so many problems related to space power systems.

Oh and the cool thing is that reactors can be LESS radioactive during launch than RTGs. Before the control rods are removed it would be pretty much inert.

>>9153453
Agree

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>>9153517

>radiation is bad meme

Have you ever heard of something called neutron absorbers? Reactors release slow neutrons which make it easy to absorb or slow down with little materials. Even if we couldn't use reactors on the plane, we could use nuclear pumped lasers and beam the energy onto them. The idea of this thread is that nukes are superior.

>>9153443
whats the point of these cringe threads

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>>9153594
>>neutron absorbers
were too heavy, so they had to resort to shadow shielding. They put enough shielding in just the right places so that the flight crew wouldn't get irradiated.

http://www.nnapprentice.com/alumni/letter/WHEN_NUCLEAR_POWER_WAS_FLYING_HIGH.pdf
http://www.aviation-history.com/articles/nuke-american.htm


>>nuclear pumped lasers and beam the energy onto them
no. Lasers are line of sight only. Without a complicated mirror system you more or less need nuclear lasers everywhere.

That's not very practical. Instead, we could use nuclear power to produce hydrogen, ammonia, or other burnable fuels

https://phys.org/news/2012-03-nuclear-power-hydrogen-fuel-economy.html
http://infohouse.p2ric.org/ref/50/49640.pdf
>>The idea of this thread is that nukes are superior.
well too bad, in some cases they aren't

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>>9153671

https://books.google.com/books?id=OSEDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA98&dq=popular+science+1951+atomic+aircraft&hl=en&ei=dgzFTP-MF 8innQeCs-T4CQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result#v=onepage&q&f=true

Oh, please. The nuclear fuel would allow the plane to fly continuously even if the heavy reactor and shielding wouldn't be any lighter than traditional fuel. The literally retarded communists were just really bad engineers, and do not at all represent nuke tech. Research before you post, you dimwit.

>>9153517
Just use Neutron Absorbers or swap to a Thorium reactor, and all of those problems are solved. Now I'm just disappointed that we let uneducated civilian politics get in the way of potentially emission-free and practically endless flight.
>It could've happened bros.

Anybody want to talk about those Fusion bombs supposedly in development?
>"The Most Humane Bomb Ever"
>Equally if not more powerful than any sort of Thermonuclear device.
>Leaves absolutely no radiation or harmful byproduct behind and instantly vaporises everything within range.

>>9153798
>> citing an old popular science article

>>9153827
Sounds like bullshit. We don't have net gain fusion reactors.

>>9153443
>shame those who hate it

Fuck off shill. You only ever post here when there is a bad nuclear news story circulating. Fuck off and go spam some other site.

>>9153869


We could build one right now. We could have a net gain icf plant, by having the first pellet trigger the fusion of the next, like in a teller/ulam device, but that would probably blow the plant up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrkzIN2eP0U

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>>9153869
Hence why I'd like to talk about it.
The idea is that the entire thing is wrapped up inside of a bomb, but it isn't your standard reactor apparently.

>>9153472
is this visible by the human eye?

>>9153443
Daily reminder that nuclear reactors will all melt down during the next solar storm.

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Daily reminder that you're a faggot cuck.

>>9153975

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>>9153443

>>9153975
This. Cant wait for the next carrington event -tier solar storm when modern civilization will come crumbling down and 99% our fine electrical systems and grids will be fucked.

>>9153461
Not nuclear related but, what about drilling holes far into the ground so we can use Earth molten core to generate energy? At the end of the day it's always about heating water.

>>9154010
/ourguy/

>>9153507
>There's really no limit to how big of a thermonuke you can make.

Bullshit. Eventually you reach a point where the fuel blows itself apart before it can be used.

>>9153494
Australia?

Nuclear is dangerous because it blow up and destroy half a continent.

>>9153798
>1951

>>9154110
> thermonuclear being a hydrogen bomb
so there really isn't much of a limit, just the initial stage is limited, but the secondary and tertiary and so on are not limited.

>>9154027
>Heat up the surface and cool the core (weakening magnetosphere)
What a brainlet idea

>>9153875
Shill really? I'd think the shills were losers like Helen Caldicott

>>9154204
Not with LFTR.

>>9153972
of course

>>9154204
Please. All it does is poison the local ecosystem and get potheads on the internet to think their fish are poisoned or that the car exhaust and waste particulates they call air has turned sour from the 1 part per 100 trillion that is slightly more radioactive than normal.

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>>9154204
Found the retard.
What are you even doing on /sci/?
>inb4 RBMK a shit

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Post geiger counters

>>9153443
Came across this recently: http://atomic-skies.blogspot.com/2012/07/those-magnificent-men-and-their-atomic.html

Use the heat of a nuclear reactor to melt holes into the ground as a method of digging tunnels.
>>9154027
That's already a thing. Well sort of. Most such plants operate in regions with volcanic activity because its currently impractical to dig deep enough to do it anywhere.

>>9154027
>What is geothermal

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>>9153494
If you are in Sydney, there's gonna be a conference by the ANA in October @ UTS.

Pic related.
I'm going.

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Reminder that there is a safe and reliable reactor type that does not produce highly radioactve waste is cannot ever have a meltdown.

Reminder that it is not used because you loose your "civil" and "peaceful" excuse to produce weapon grade uranium.

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dang nuclear power, you have some nice colors

Lmfao, you use a windows phone?


>>9154961

>>9154009
cry about it

>>9155277
You do know that they build reactors underground right, retard?

>>9155277

>>9155010
That blue isn't actually caused by cherenkov radiation, this is a pool for new fuel elements.

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You guys ever heard of a thorium reactor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium_fuel_cycle

>>9155454
what about earthquakes

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Is nuclear for sexual?
>>9155562
Ask those retarded Japanes, they know all about how good nuclear reactors and a region with a lot of tectonic activity mix.

>>9153449
But Thorium Is way more effective as uranium and you can't build a bomb out of it so why would you use a nuklear plane if you can use a thorium plane

>>9155606
>nuklear
brainlet or bait; really can't tell

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>>9153453
>nuclear is the superior energy source

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA.

>it gets the least government support

Every nuke plant ever has been fully subsidized by the government.

>>9155809
Im going to need more credibility than a screenshot with a link to some blog

>>9153499
Nowhere near as bad as Greenpeace makes it out to be.

>>9154009
>No naked ladies on the aircraft

0/10

Nuclear to phase out Coal/Gas stations.
Renewables to crop up in the developing world.
Fusion gets funded once things have settled.
We will make it to K1 one day boys.

>>9157223
>implying we won't find a way to fuck us up before that

>>9153449
Relevant, Ford had made a concept nuclear powered car during 40s. Nevertheless, both would have been not useful.

>>9153827
That is what fusion bombs do though. Is this some North Korea propaganda shit?

>>9153443
Literally a glorified water boiler, complete with most of its mass being devoted to a maze of active failsafes. Most inefficient hacked together mess to ever be widely praised.

>>9154027
The core is pretty deep but swallow plants should possible. Maybe they aren't worth it.

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>>9153443

Nuclear Engineer here, ask me anything. I studied in the most prestigious uni in latin america, the Balseiro Institute. And yes, Chemical and Electrical engineering are easy as fuck compared to Nuclear.

>>9158367
>most prestigious uni in latin america
thats like being, the most majestic ant or something.

>>9158374
Latin american degrees are harder than american degrees. Here you have to take over 50 classes to get an engineering degree (5 years). That's why my degree is considered a bachelor + master in burguerland and europe.

>>9153507
>A fission bomb is expensive
No it isn't
There are signficant startup costs but actually churning out nuclear anything is extremely cheap in comparison. Simply due to immense energy density.

serious question
is there any logical explanationn why we don't shoot nuclear waste into space?

>>9158408
Cost and danger.

>>9158408
1. Its valuable
2. Its perfectly safe to store here on earth: After all it was taken from here, we can just put it back where it came from
3. Ridiculously expensive to shoot stuff into space, even moreso to shoot it in a way that it wont come down later (50k/kg and more)
4. Very risky. Rockets occasionally explode

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>>9158367

Not a question, but explain in technical terms to environmententalist degenerates, why nuclear power is way safer then other sources, and how it would be way cheaper than other sources if it wasn't overregulated.

>>9153798
What do communists have to do with this? HTRE-3 was American designed and still had to be scrapped after an accident in its test bed. If that shit had happened while its compressor was running in flight it would have seriously fucked some shit up. How do you even service the fucking thing, the entire compressor and turbine assembly is going to be highly irradiated, and have questionable material properties due to embrittlement. Every hour of operation for a direct-cycle plant like that just increases the risk to populations, and would make ground operations of the plane untenable. Nuclear aircraft were just a bad idea, and will only ever be suitable for very specialized military applications, like those automated death bombers.

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>>9158917
The Soviets made a really shitty nuke plane that had shitty shielding. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-95LAL Americans wouldn't ever do that you dipshit. The shielding on the american plane was more than adequate. Once in the air, the atmosphere works as a great shield. The reactor is tiny so very little fuel is used, so very little radioactive material is produced you dimwit. It makes servicing doable.

>>9158954
You say the Americans didn't do it, but they did and it melted down.

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>>9158956

Those are environmentalist lies.

>>9158958
>>9158954

You're a joke. :) You're autistic REEE's aren't going to bring back atomic aircraft. Maybe if you watch some more youtube videos on the subject you can really convince your friends and family you are an authority on the subject.

Or you could get over you ignorance and actually read something on the subject, and slowly realize just how bad of an idea it is, but that's not going to happen is it?

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>>9159024

>source is youtube videos

XD

Bitch please, i know more about this than you do. Radioactivity and fallout is a meme. Source is pic.

>>9159047
sadly in german, not english (though I think a translation exists):
http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/print/d-54002273.html

TL;DR: Less than 1000 radiation deaths confirmed from Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Tchernobyl combined. People surviving cracy radiation levels that should officially kill them in 50minutes for years and decades.

Turns out when those "this will kill you" limits were set, we did not know all that much about the risks and decided to err on the side of caution.

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>>9159059

Yeah I know. The whole radioactivity is bad meme was coldwar détente propaganda

>>9159073
what about Chernobyl? Still uninhabitable 30 years later.

>>9159076
Go thell that to the animals and plants there.
Its perfectly safe.

A Swedish girl wants me to take her to EBR1.

Sounds like a fucking amazing one in a million first date but I don't find her physically attractive at all.

>>9159386

Pix?

>>9159386

Imo, nuclear energy is the most reasonable energy source available to humanity, HOWEVER, humanity is not reasonable enough to deserve it. Even if engineers make it 100 % safe, there is still the human factor like revolutions, and suddenly your new leader wants plutonium warheads. You get the idea.

What would probalby work though is having a secret city full of high IQ brainmores with a nuclear power plant just for themselves.

>>9159079
You gotta be kidding me. Seen what happened to the robots they used for exploring Fukushima? Would you rather like to be the one instead of the robot?

>>9155004
I think they haven't still resolved the part where the pipes clog a bit, but I may be misremembering something.

>>9158367
Why radiactive waste has to be cooled down before storing?

Wouldn't it make more sense to, you know, keep using the things if they are generaing heat? Isn't that the point of having self-heating bars of stuff?

>>9155004
>and reliable
citation needed.

>>9153443
Is it possible to buid a nuclear power plant deep underground that if it fails the radiation wont reach the average joe above ground?
t. interested brainlet

>>9160436
Sounds terribly expensive.

>>9160436
Better yet just don't store your waste on site and dont use weapon grade nuclear fuel. Nuclear "waste" has uses in science and industry but because people are scared of muh dirty bombs we decided that all these extremely valuable heavy elements should be kept hidden away somewhere. Usually this means just keeping the waste on site, so that every time something goes wrong all of that waste leaks. Apparently the threat of every nuclear reactor in America being an actual time bomb is a lesser concern than the possibility that someone might for some reason leak radioactive materials intentionally.

>>9160282
this is different. The robot was directly next to an uncontained remain of a reactor meltdown.

Illustration: If you sit right into a fire you will die, but sitting next to it is quite pleasant.

Not to mention that Fukushima and Tchernobyl are quite different. The latter is now safe behind meters and meters of concrete.
According to the fearmongers everyone working in that plant when it blew should have died within weeks, in reality while there were more cancer incidents compared to the general population, most lived for decades and many are still alive today.

>>9159079
kys retard

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>>9153443

>>9160691
I see the radiation has been affecting your brain

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This should activate some almonds around here

>>9160702
>cost less than both wars combined
So it would cost more than a single one of them?

>>9160709
BS.
They jacked up the electricity prices to unimaginable heights to fund this retarded program.
This bankrupted several aluminium foundries already and for the retail customers its even worse

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>>9160710
Nuclear is dead, solar power is the future. Just accept the future you fucking retard
>m-m-muh nuclear

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>/sci/ can't refute this

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/sci/ btfo

>>9160714
I see you didn't refute what i pointed out

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>why have nuclear when you literally have free energy coming from space
>>9160730
It works, get over it

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Imagine if America could be as progressive as Germany

>>9160732
Nuclear is 10x safer than solar. I feel safe knowing that my power source wont go supernova at any time and engulf the solar system in fire

>>9160728
>implying Solar isn't being cockblocked by Leftist NIMBY's

>>9160733
> where are they getting their electricity from
From mining expensive materials out of the earth to inefficiently produce electricity and spending copious amounts of resources in maintenance and dumping broken solar panel parts into landfills/the ocean, all the while claiming that their energy is generated without byproducts.

>>9160714
All with the footprint of several gigawatts of Nuclear, and for half the day at best. Wow!

>>9155615
it has to be bait.

>>9160974
I kinda wonder what effect having square miles of land being vastly more reflective of light would have on the environment.

>>9160702
>Spend $10t to save $162b per year
>Using Family Guy as an argument

That's a special kind of retarded.

>>9160728
I can't tell if this is just retarded or if it's a troll post.

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>>9160702
>>9160709
>>9160714
>>9160719
>>9160728
>>9160732
>>9160733
And guess what, we can have both solar power and nukes. Small nuclear reactors like Nuscale's are able to adjust their power output faster than big reactors, making them compatible with renewable energy sources.

And guess what, unlike other crazy nuclear reactor designs, the nuscale reactor design is fairly close to NRC approval.

>>9161289
>after 12 years it's paid off in full
>free energy for everybody after that
>decides to attack the meme background instead of content
That's a pretty common kind of retarded.

If solar is more efficient than anything else, then why don't companies rely solely on solar, if it's cheaper and pays for itself?

>>9161399
soon anon. Solar shall go on to consume all. Nothing will escape solar's hunger.

>>9153472
it also sounds nice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb9i-toCcwg

>>9160733
Aren't they having to import electricity from adjacent countries that use fossil fuels because they can't always meet demand with solar?

Solar is really only going to be the best when launch prices bottom out and we can build massive orbiting solar power plants. Until then its too location /condition dependent to provide the base load.

>>9158367
>Balseiro Institute
lol
yeah i got a question
what's the difference for nuclear engineering, nuclear physics and nuclear science; is it all the same thing and do they work as a team in actual projects

>>9161573
Well good luck with living in shack.

>>9160658
Well we have eyes to see fire but we cannot see radiation, which makes it so difficult to handle for humans.

Would you have liked to be a liquidator if you are so bold as to call everyone conserned a fearmonger?

>>9160719
go ask /pol/ why this is a bad idea
Also what is
> maintainance costs
> energy transport

Lithium will become the new oil. Mark my words.

>>9161804
ᶘ ᵒᴥᵒᶅ
tell us more anecdotal prophet

>>9153499
The mass media sensationalzed it.Sure,Chernobyl is bad,but with good maintenance and regulation,the risks far,far diminishes compared to the returns

>>9160719
>this is what envirotards unironically believe

>>9161350
>after 12 years it's paid off in full

Citation needed faggot.

>>9161399
Well you see, there's a giant conspiracy not to make money and become rich, but rather to pollute the planet for no discernible reason.

>>9161905
The truth is that unrenewable energy is extremely cheap,reliable and established.

>>9154780
You're a big guy

>>9155274
>tfw c# developer

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>>9161916

4u

>>9161916

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>>9161906

Lol wut m8?

>>9153449
the nuclear plane was a retarded idea. the designers knew it too, they just kept working on it so they could get money for their safe reactor concept.

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>>9159059
>Spiegel as source
Even though this is one of the few ok articles that shithole makes, if you read that on a regular basis for "information" you should really consider to end your existence

>>9161587
This!
And of course the net is strained to the limit because solar is on/off on/off all the time, not just at night but also when clouds pass by. And with germany having almost no AC in houses, its not like the consumption goes up when the sun power goes up.

>>9161757
this has literally nothing to do with my argument.
Its not about the seeing fire but about its warmth (we cannot see IR either, dipshit!). A little heat is nice and harmless. Sitting in it is deadly.

>Would you have liked to be a liquidator if you are so bold as to call everyone conserned a fearmonger?
Also non-sequitur. Its not about what I like or not, its about your false argument that nucular = superdeadly. Counterpoint: most liquidators surviving far longer than the fear-mongers predicted.

>>9161903
technically he is right, but only because of massive subsidies from the german state which it takes from the end-user of electricity which have to pay those sky-high prices.

>>9162163
I know, which is why I dont.
I had that article bookmarked because I got it from another source (idk anymore which one) also a debate about atom = evul or not.

>>9161804
Lithium is more abundant than lead or tin.

Lithium only makes up 2% by weight of a lithium-ion battery.

>>9153443
Nuclear Fission is dead. Stop beating a dead horse.

Nuclear Fusion is going to be the future. Until it is ready, might as well use natty gas and renewables.

>>9160733
Imagine if America didn't have to be the defense budget for all of Europe and most of Asia

>>9162634
>Imagine if America didn't chose to be the defense budget for all of Europe and most of Asia

FTFY.
They came up with the whole "you must be pacifist because WWII" clause for Germany and Japan for example.
Also ever since 2001 its been the NATO-states bailing out/helping the US in their little adventures, not the other way around.

>>9161930
>Tfw we can genetically engineer Dragons and Unicorns

FUCK YOU AND YOUR UNOBTANIUM BS

>>9162645
You fail to understand the point, these Nordic and other countries wouldn't be nearly as developed as they are if it wasn't for America. Germany doesn't have to drop a cent on military anymore.

>>9162650
of course they would be, why would they not.
It would only have required a different approach from america, such as starting operation unthinkable to exterminate the soviets.

And Germany does have to spend money, they are doing so right now. Its just not the over the top ammount that the USA is spending.

And take France: a nuclear power who became such alone.

>>9153449
>Nuclear plane
that's just retarded
nuclear is to much of a hazard to be flying around in something that has a tendency to crash and explode
Leave nuclear to the missile proof reactors and power the plane through either electric power, or synthesized fuel

>>9162685
Or just normal fuel.

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>>9160719
Do you have any idea how big that is

>>9154798
RBMKs are really neat desu. Not as neat as AGRs but they blow water reactors out of the proverbial.

>>9162775
Care to elaborate?

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>>9154027
What is SOMA bitch nigguh.
>Underwater power plant that sits on the surface of the Atlantic Ocean
>In region where distance between crust and mantle are a few kilometers
>drill big fuck off hole for heat

>>9162685
A nuclear engine means you don't need to stop for gas on you way to drop nuke Moscow. They made a lot of sense at the time, then air to air refueling was invented and it turned out to be exponentially cheaper than than continuing to develop nuclear engines.


>>9162775
> they blow water reactors out of the proverbial.
I see what you did there.

>>9154201
Yeah lad

>>9154961
I'll see you there

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>>9161724
>nuclear engineering
you are part of a legally defined profession that has huge earnings potential, but the most cut throat competition and the worst job satisfaction out of any engineering field.

>nuclear physics
you better get at least a masters and you better be fuckin' good (honestly, just get the PhD because thats what you need for people to take you seriously). if not, enjoy ending up like....

>nuclear science
literally technician tier. you can live a comfy middle class life working at a plant somewhere looking at gauges and turning valves.

>>9160719
>implying liberals would let you "destroy" that much of an ecosystem to generate "energy"

liberals want you to stop using energy or pay hefty taxes for doing so. they don't actually want to create new or innovative energy sources.

>>9158367
>"ask me anything"
>answers nothing

fuck the environment, but I live near hanford....that shit leaks and we're all dead.

Can one really smart anon sit here and explain the pros and cons to both Nuclear and Solar energy

>>9163258
nuclear pros and cons at the same time: Big, reliable energy source. Its good, for obvious reasons, but also bad because you cannot just throttle or shut down a nuclear plant when there is too much electricity in the net.
Issues with safety of byproducts and of the reactors themselves are non-issues. They have all been solved long time ago. Fukushima withstood an earth quake almost 10 times as strong as it was designed to withstand. Sure it was damaged, but not too much.

Solar:
Can be awesome in sunny countries, development of better panels has advanced a lot in recent years. However: Not at all controllable when/if and how much energy is produced.
Also the panels are kinda expensive (per MWh) and take a lot of energy to produce, they must be taken apart after their end of life at specialized factories.
Solar is a nice addon but can never provide the base load.
Solar+Batteries is a huge waste of energy (50% when loading, 50% when unloading a battery)

>>9163272
>>9163258
just found this one by Prof. Richard Mueller:

https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-most-subtle-ways-to-deceive-people-with-statistics/answer/Richard-Muller-3?srid=T4Ct

TL;DR gross capacity and net capacity are vastly different for solar power where for nucular they are the same.

>>9163182
Exactly. Thats why they hate biofuel. Their worst nightmare would be if you could produce your own, or if it could actually sequestor carbon and ruin their political agenda or cut profits on lithium ion batteries. Seriously look up all the shit talking against biofuel its delusional.

Anyway this is neo liberal authoritarianism not classical liberalism, which respecets the individual.

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>>9163272
>Fukushima withstood an earth quake almost 10 times as strong as it was designed to withstand. Sure it was damaged, but not too much.
Umm, sweetie..

>>9163480
damaged != destroyed
There was an oil reffinery nearby (which no one talks about), who whas completely destroyed. Fukushima is still standing.

>>9163494

*leaking

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>>9163480
Perhaps you should learn the difference between an earthquake and a tsunami.

>>9160709
Solar is shit. You have no grid stability

>>9162272
>Its not about the seeing fire but about its warmth (we cannot see IR either, dipshit!). A little heat is nice and harmless.

No it's not. Are you being a mongrel on purpose? Do you know the difference between IONISING and NON-IONISING radiation? Do you know there's a certain dose that cause irreversible damage to organisms? Go ahead and get your DNA wrecked by sniffing alpha radiators if you dont believe science.

>>9160713
They used to massivly fund nuclear and coal plants in the 50's and 60's and lots of people have gotten cancer from coal plants alone.
At least Silicon is harmless, the only danger from solar is technitians falling from the roof.

> bankrupted several aluminium foundries
> retail customers

Nothing of value has been lost.

>>9163626
yes, my point exactly:
>there's a certain dose that cause irreversible damage to organisms?
And we thought that this threshold was way lower in the past, turns out however, that our bodies can cope with much more ionizing radiation than we previously thought.
Makeing the whole "omg nucular kills all" ridiculous.

Consider that a coal plant will produce over 50kg of uranium each year, simply because there are tiny trace ammount of it in coal, and a coal plant burns many tons per hour. Now a nuclear plant may at most release 9g of radioactve material per year.
And thats even before you take into account the natural radioactivity of everything around us, such as Radon seeping into basements.

>>9163630
correct about the coal->cancer.
>Nothing of value has been lost.
No, not at all. Retail customers are basically subsidising the industry, not just the solar industry but all of it because they are the ones that pay the increased prices whereas most industry can avoid them by "buying" carbon credit.
Also Aluminium foundries represent considerable know-how which can be important for a resource-poor nation like Germany.

Solar is meem, it takes a shitliad of energy to build and creates a lot if waste in the process, you don't get a predictable yield, yield is lower on winter, yield is shit (you need more area than your rooftop to power your house), yields low voltage DC, yield is nil at night, et cetera

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>>9163494
K well it will have inevitably contributed to thousands of cancer cases, most likely thyroid(maybe).

Look up the thyroid cancer rate of Washington State (although good luck finding it because its covered up) and you will find its many times higher than the national average thanks to Hanford. The sickening part is that this has been actively covered up and shilled against by statisticians whoring themselves out to convince the public Hanford did not cause any illness. My friend is a doctor and when he saw how high the thyroid cancer rates were in Washington he said it was many times higher than the national average but I cant find it with a google search and only found a specific study that tries to disprove it.

I even may be wrong about the cancer rates in Washington but you are a total fucking delusional retard if you dont think nuclear mishaps haven't caused cancer cases.

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>>9163703
Also that being said I am not exclusively against nuclear power just I think that they need to be even smarter about the designs. That nuclear kid had supposedly a good design that berried the reactor. And thorium reactors are safer apparently and there is no risk of meltdown for them.
https://www.ted.com/talks/taylor_wilson_my_radical_plan_for_small_nuclear_fission_reactors

The thing is that there is already a nuclear reactor at the center of the solar system and plants are the perfect way to harness that energy because they store the energy as carbohydrates.

Also why the fuck arent you guys talking about fucking fusion goddamnit? You don't get some kind of edgy asshole on the internet award for being pessimistic and blaming libs for NIMBY about old ass dirty fission reactors that produce waste which is the biggest problem and time and time again nuclear waste is treated irresponsibly.

>>9153891
Or just make a bomb that uses a laser to initiate the thermonuclear reaction and then there would be no fallout.

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>>9163124
Fun fact: the earths mantle is heated by nuclear fission so geo thermal power is actually just fission power.

>>9163703
>thanks to Hanford
So there is increased radioctivity near Handford?
Or is it just that increased cancer coexists with the presence of Hanford.
Because if its the latter: More cancer but not more radioactivity (and not just more within the error margin), that would be the old "correlation is not causation" fallacy.

There was a similar one with high voltage cables and decreased life expectancy which gave rise (in Germany) to the fear of "Electrosmog" (an oxymoron, I know).
Turns out that the presence of those ugly pylons devalues the land around it, driving down rents, inviting more poor people over time.
But poor people "naturally" live less healthier and shorter lifes. Turns out the supposed radiation from the cables had nothing to do with it.

>The thing is that there is already a nuclear reactor at the center of the solar system and plants are the perfect way to harness that energy because they store the energy as carbohydrates.
No they are not, in fact they are quite wasteful if you want to make electricity out of them.

>Also why the fuck arent you guys talking about fucking fusion goddamnit? You don't get some kind of edgy asshole on the internet award for being pessimistic and blaming libs for NIMBY about old ass dirty fission reactors that produce waste which is the biggest problem and time and time again nuclear waste is treated irresponsibly.
Because for the next 500 years fission is perfectly good enough and there is no real will, politically speaking, to finally crack fusion power.

>>9163703
>plants are the perfect way to harness that energy because they store the energy as carbohydrates
Which is both A. inefficient and B. what we do right now in fossil fuels.

The big problem people have about nuclear power is the threat of radioactive fallout (increased prevalence of cancer/genetic disease) and the lack of good storage for nuclear waste. It turns out if the left hadn't protested the technology so hard during the Cold War, it might actually be way more clean, efficient, and prevalent than it is today. It is already safer, cleaner, and more efficient (by landslides) than fossil fuels, solar, wind, and hydroelectric.

It's a godsend, but since some Ukrainians being paid shekels fucked up one time, no one wants it near them.

>>9163713
why is it so hot inside of earth? and if it wasn't, if earth was only a piece of rock, would life still have had a chance to develop?

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This mod pleases my autism quite well.
Anyone else have some good simulations/games with nuclear powerplants/reactors and their operation?
I already have PCTRAN and the BWR sim

>>9153818
>Le Thorium maymay

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>>9163732
>Which is both A. inefficient and B. what we do right now in fossil fuels.
Algae, cheap and simple and can be farmed vertically or on the open ocean means its the perfect goddamn energy source, especially since it can be stored long term.

Seriously whoever pefects this is going to put the saudis and make their trillion dollars worthless. I hope its meee xddDDdd hue hue hue hue!

>>9163733
>why is it so hot inside of earth
Literally nuclear fission of naturally occurring isotopes. Notice how uranium is super heavy? Thats why it sinks to the bottom. And life wouldnt exist if the core of the earth didnt produce a magnetic field, like venus, which has horrible radiation exposure on the surface. I suppose life would still exist in the ocean but no humans and intelligent life would have to wait for octopi or dolphins to learn how to change their environment. However ocean life has the problem of brains needing oxygen in large amounts for intelligent though.

>>9153443
>Literally the most expensive Form of generating electricity
How does it feel to get cucked by Big Energy?

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>>9163727
>So there is increased radioctivity near Handford?
Yes they spilled a bunch of waste into the columbia river which people use for irrigation. Huge mishap, even huger coverup which continues online today.

I understand that correlation does not equal causation but there was a huge goddamn spill and irresponsible handling of waste because hanford was literally the first major nuclear site in the world, and are the ones who provided the plutonium for fat man.

>No they are not, in fact they are quite wasteful if you want to make electricity out of them.
Okay Elon Musk see >>9164072

>Because for the next 500 years fission is perfectly good enough and there is no real will, politically speaking, to finally crack fusion power.
Okay it's "good enough" sotospeak but its still got issues and speaking of politics theyre not so good considering fission. Fusion might be worth it just to get around the stigma which is everlasting. Not to mention fusion has qualities that make it objectively better so we either crack it now or later, I would rather crack it now desu senpai.

>>9164081
>Fusion might be worth it just to get around the stigma which is everlasting

You underestimate the skillz of the Luddite wing of the Green Movement to apply the stigma to a new sort of nuclear plant.

Note how successfully they've equated all fission plants in the public consciousness.

>>9164100
ITER is being funded.

Lot of progress at other places as well. The future looks bright for Fusion research, commercialization is still a big unknown.

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>>9164270
Why the fuck can it not work? Like it seems simple desu and it works in bombs. And like the other anon said couldnt they start mini chain reactions but then contain them so it doesnt explode?

Also is there anyway to ignite fusion to make a bomb without using fission to start it? Like couldnt they make a fusion bomb with a strong laser?

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fusion infograph

>>9163996
What's your argument?

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So let me get this straight
Nuclear power plants do not generate any energy from the act of fission/fusion itself. All the energy is generated from boiling water and the steam passing through large turbines.

>>9164355
no.
The boiling water/steam only acts as a tranmitter/converter for the energy.
The energy itself comes from the fission/fusion reaction

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To Launch a Nuclear Strike, Donald Trump Would Follow These Steps
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-nuclear-weapon-launch/


Not really /sci/, interesting nonetheless

>>9164375
Just like any other president or is there some special trump thing?

>>9163179
How much chemistry training and studies did you do? Or was it not required?