Is sociology a science?

>>9139351
Depends. According to /pol/ if sociology is used to measure the IQs of different races then sociology is 100% true science that cannot be argued with. But if sociology is used to prove that race doesn't exist then it is FAKE NEWS. WRONG!

So I guess we'll never know.

is op a faggot?

>>9139351
No because it doesn't use the scientific method.

>>9139357
>According to /pol/ if sociology is used to measure the IQ
IQ is a topic in psychology, not sociology.

>>9139367
I will say one bad thing about jews if you tell me what even is the difference.

>>9139373
Psychology studies the psyche, sociology studies society.

>>9139364
Doesn't it? Sociologists make observations, ask questions, and come up with hypotheses. I guess the experimentation part is where things go a little wonky.

Sociology can be fun when it's not about worshipping PoC and browbeating white people.

>>9139378
What a lazy distinction. I don't think it even counts because it is basically the same shit but I guess I can throw you a bone.

Jews are
gay.

>>9139379 >>9139351
No. It isn't science. Just like Psychology Because:
1) It's (((politically biased)))
2) It does not replicate.
3) Unproven claims
4) It avoids Math
5) Flawed Logic (Full of Fallacies)

>>9139351
Sociology is the dead sociologists' cult of personality.

>>9139379
the experimetnation part is the biggest reason. Still VERY useful but it's more like seeing shit, see more shit like it, compare the similarities and differences then try coming up with something to encompass it in a good way.

>>9139351
>Is sociology a science?

only in classified circles.

>>9139364
there is no scientific method, all that matters is replication. If horoscopes were replicable then they would be science. sociology is replicable so its science.

>>9139450
Sociology doesn't avoid math at all.
What fallacies?
Unproven claims?
Its not political.

>>9140346
>there is no scientific method
Arguing from your naiveté is not convincing at all.

>all that matters is replication.
Wrong.

> If horoscopes were replicable then they would be science.
Wrong again. Please read what the scientific method is before making such inane claims.

>sociology is replicable so its science.
Wrong.

>>9139391
Did you actually not know the distinction prior to idiot#2's explanation?

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No, not really.

Even its master pieces are shit.

>>9139351
Its social science, not natural science. The validation of Sociological theories are still dependent upon the method of science (depending on how you define it anyways)

Also ITT
> hur dur wat is philosophy of science

>>9139351
It was.
Now it's just a retarded pseudo-science used for propaganda.

>>9140369
good, some asshat keeps arguing that replication is all that matters is replication to define science. must be the only one. desu definitions of scientific method are sstill fuzzy.

>>9139351
>those SJW glasses
just why?

>>9140369
Do you have a good source on what the scientific method is?

>>9140644
You don't know Feyerabend i expect then.

>>9140848
>Do you have a good source on what the scientific method is?
Did they not teach you this at school? Just search it on a free encyclopedia on the internet.

>>9140347 #
It's ((( politically biased))) because
>>9140650 #
It's now just sjw Leftist political propaganda
For Example the Marxist idea that traditional patriarchic family led to oppression & magically the socialism Utopia will come true if the paternal figure disappears.
That's not just an unproven claim. It's a dangerous idea that could collapse & destroy the Western society.
An example of fallacy is the frequent use of adnominem & calling everyone who disagrees with them "Literally Hitler"
I'm a moderate right wing libertarian not a radical neo Nazi. But Leftist academia don't accept any idea besides Radical left.

>>9139351
In what sense is sociology meaningfully different from social psychology? Why can't I just paint them both with the same, shitty brush? Looking at you, OP.

>>9141158
They are different. Sociology is the study of societies and social interactions. While there are similarities on the micro-level, when we move to the macro scale the differences become obvious.

Just because there are similarities does not mean that social psychology and sociology are not 'meaningfully different.' Physics and chemistry share similarities - that does not mean they are not different in many capacitites.

>>9141512
The idea that you can reduce society, and therefore sociology, into a simple aggregate of individuals, as if to imply that sociology is psychology writ large, is highly contentious and would be disputed by many schools of sociology.

>>9141158
Because the way people think is only partially related to the workings of society as a social organism. If that was truly the case, then the organization of our current society and all preceding societies was simply a product of the way people thought.

>>9139357
>But if sociology is used to prove that race doesn't exist
Good thing that's never come up.

It's not science, but it doesn't make it less valuable if it's done correctly (which sadly is almost never).
Not field of research has to be "hardcore science"; Each field of research requires a different approach. While I don't think that the current approach is the correct one, I also don't believe a purely scientific approach is the right one.

>>9139351
>http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/dumbness
no

>>9139351
Check your privilege OP. Of course sociology is a science.

>>9141605
Almost never? How du know.

Tbh social research probably has a larger impact on peoples lives than physics atm.

>>9140534
We read an excerpt of this in my intro to sociology class (I needed the credit)

Reads like the guy's jerking off to how amazing he thinkgs he is.

>>9139351
Sociology is supposed to be the study of "how humans live in community", so I guess it's a science ?

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>>9140847
She have eye problem ?

>>9139351
>post grad study to try become surface/ground water hydrologist
>half courses are based on "social science" and legislation
>all these BA people calling themselves scientists
tbf, they do get higher grades than me in the law related stuff. I would like to assume it is because my background is in geology and chemistry....but maybe im just shit at making arguments based off of perspective rather than data.
It does fuck me off that you can call yourself a scientist yet have worked half as hard as a physical scientist to get a degree.

I'm a criminal justice major, which falls under social science and I will say; social science is a joke. The problem is, they try to apply macro level theories of questions to an individual and vice versa. Every single person is different on a social and psychological level, and the sum of the parts have to be shoe horned in to make a whole. So we end up in a gigantic circular logic. On top of that, any "findings" have an asterisk next to them, because they can't be applied to every person or every situation, which means you need a new theory for every single situation. But the classes are easy, so what the hell.

>>9141579
Who is arguing that society can be simply reduced? I sure wasn't in my post.

>>9139450
1. Unfortunately, science is often poltically biased as well. Nobody who works in an institution can fully avoid its influence.
2. They do.
3. Hardly. Claims are tested just like they are in any science.
4. Sociology has plenty of math for those who wish to take that road. The last time I checked, courses in elementary game theory were mandatory, and proofs here require more knowledge of topology than most people here have.
5. Just like in any other discipline. Mathematical papers are often taken down after someone points out an error they author missed. Here it's just the same.

And I don't even like sociology. I hate most of their students, but /sci/'s muh science circlejerk triggers me

yes but it can be done badly like anything else
my stats prof was head of the sociology department and he had pretty intelligent things to say about social science
you just have to do it right

Applied science really

>>9139351
Is mayonnaise a science?

>>9139351
Sociology has been corrupted. It's full of Marxist gatekeepers that forbid everything that could be used to support classical liberal political positions.