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Racist AI at it again.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/24/ai-robots-sexist-racist-experts-warn/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_fb

Is that because they are correct? it's not the AI that is inherently racist or sexist. It is reality that has inherent differences between sexes and races.
Let's focus more on the science side of AI?
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>>9136168
>another retard that doesn't know how modern AI works
If you want to discuss the "science side of AI" then make a thread about linear algebra, or rather just ask in the stupid questions thread.
If you want to discuss the results or other aspects of AI, then go ask >>>/g/

Sage for not science.
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>>9136174
What does linear algebra have to do with AI?

t.Somebody who has not done LA.
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I don't see how an AI is going to interpret anything any other way.
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Liberal attitudes of the inner city are dangerous when combined with AI's and their ability to figure out truths.
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>>9136168
>AI is literally glorified statistics
>statistics are sexist and racist.
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>>9136168
So do people honestly damage themselves by going to the Telegraph to pull bullshit identity politics articles, hoping that their thread gets enough (You)s to take off?
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>>9136231
>>9136235
You didn't start this thread with a political agenda at all, no.
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>>9136433
That's just it ain't it though.
I fed you data.
''oh you're being political''.

No, REALITY is political.
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>>9136168
>When they asked the machine to complete the sentence “Man is to computer programmers as woman is to x”, the machine answered “homemaker”.

Hahahahaha you're retarded for trying to use the opinions of this thing as evidence for your retarded beliefs but I'll be damned if that isn't fucking hilarious
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>>9136507
>machine says thing
>look, machine said non PC thing
>this is proof that random boogymen use it for their beliefs
you're reaching a little far there fuccboi
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>>9136231
Whoa, it's almost like decades of overt redlining and purposefully confining black people into specific, run-down neighbourhoods to use as de facto ghettoes, and then distributing and encouraging the use of cocaine to undermine black rights (and black power) movements and activists, and THEN taking a viciously hard-line stance against recreation drug use that leads to a high proportion of arrests and thus criminalisation of black adult men - forcing them into contact with harder criminal elements and reducing their competitiveness in the job market, as well as depriving any children of a stable environment to grow up in - might have led to all the black people crammed into one place, poor and messed up.

Who'd have thunk it? Luckily we all know black people are inherently inferior so all of that must have been their fault too.
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>AI is perfect
>AI is racist
>By the laws of logical analysis, racism must be perfect
>Heil Hitler
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>>9136235
It's also as if people who live in cities, and thus walk past and interact with all manner of people every day of their lives, become more broad minded than farmers living out in the ass end of nowhere surrounded by a handful of people with the same face as them.
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>>9136532
>>9136231
There's that, plus the picture posted is bullshit. The crime data is literally cropped as to only show it in the black and Hispanic parts. Quite sad dude, quite sad.
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>>9136532
What is racist about saying that there are proportionally more whites eligible for a loan, or with the potential to succeed in academy than blacks ?
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>>9136168
Their predictions are skewed by race and gender because the data is skewed by race and gender - BECAUSE the data is collected entirely from within the context of our society. The AI isn't analysing some kind of novel biological data, it's analysing data generated by our society and thus adapting to the fact that surprise surprise, our society is racist and sexist.

It identifies a picture of a man in a kitchen as 'woman in a kitchen' because there are far more pictures and text pieces involving women being in a kitchen than there are men, but that's only because that's the way it is in our particular society. If we lived in a society where there was an equal expectation of men and women to be cooking, there would be an equal number of pictures of men and women in kitchen, and so you'd be holding up the result of this AI analysis as 'truth' that both genders are inherently equally likely to do the cooking, despite the fact that all you've done is hold a mirror up to your own social values.
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>>9136551
The loan isn't racist because maybe banks are racist or money is racist? You could just be stating a fact about society. The "potential" thing is racist because that's just like judging people based on skin color. "He's never gonna make cause he's black".
Basically if it's mean, it's racist.
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>>9136551
The issue is that rather than actually impartially analysing whether or not a particular person is eligible for a loan or can succeed in academia, the AI has noticed that blacks are offered fewer loans and university places in general and thus negatively weights 'being black' as a criteria for acceptance.

The other issue is that that very difference in proportions of each demographic eligible for loans, academia, parole etc. is that way BECAUSE the previous generation had the same bias against them. It's self-perpetuating, and unless you step in somehow and try to iron out the bias (be it by the ever-contentious affirmative action, or other means) then the next generation will be able to justify its discrimination in exactly the same way. All the while, people have to live with a lower quality of life for their entire existence, just because of the parents they were born to.
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>>9136538
kek, i hope this is a troll from /pol/, otherwise this is such a perfect stereotypically ignorant response I have to screencap it.
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>>9136197
If each neuron represents a function like y=mx+b, where y is the output and x is the input, you can calculate all of the neurons and the entire training set at once, with a very short amount of code by representing m,x, and b as matricies. It turns out its faster to do it this way than using loops. There is a very good course on coursera called "Neural Networks and Deep Learning" by deeplearning.ai that can be audited for free.
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/sci/ BTFO
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>>9136568
But that's wrong.
The training data was not who was elligible for a loan, but who managed to pay it back. The point was to only allow a loan to people with a high % of payback.
The fact that banks were especially carefull at giving loan to blacks should in reverse positively bias being black since only the top of the barrel was accepted. Yet even whith this strong positive bias, the Neural net still found that being black is correlated with not paying back the loan.
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>correlation is not causation
>Be surprised when you use correlation methods to find causes and it doesnt work

Btw /pol/tards have the intelligence of an artificial neural network, black ppl have more relative criminals only because black ppl tend to be poorer (msybe because they started as slaves, duh)
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>>9136690
That's not what the data says.
Could it be that's not /pol/tards that are retarded but you instead?
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>>9136783
Wrong pic
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>>9136783
>>9136789
>Retarded /pol/tard posts proof of correlation as proof that causation exists
',:^)
That data shows that a sub-society of the general American society commits more crime. Black people interact with black people, and black people are usually poor.
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>>9136231
>>9136789
This thread is pathetic. It demonstrates a complete lack of knowledge as to how AI works. I'll just say that computers can come to wrong conclusions if they're designed poorly.

Sage this bait.
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>>9136802
too bad its saying the opposite

>if the computer comes up with a conslusion I dont like then it must be designed poorly.
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>>9136802
>designed poorly
Or given carefully curated data. Either way, factual statements aren't necessarily racist, they're just observations.
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>>9136807
>Either way, factual statements aren't necessarily racist, they're just observations.
remove factual. I just woke up and didn't mean for that to be there.
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Robots are daft. As in if a kid has a mobility hindering disability like CP they'd figuratively throw them out without regarding the other factors that should be considered or the individual kid themself.
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>>9136672
You know the loans given aren't the same most likely so that must be taken into heavy consideration.
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>>9136810

they're fucking factual lmao.

stop it.
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>>9136603
Thanks a ton anon!
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>>9136797
You keep finding ad-hoc excuses to justify every evidence thrown at you. You are no better than a creationist or flatard.

Can you think of an experiment that depending on the result will prove to you beyond any reasonable doubt that blacks are inferiors to white ?
If the answer is no, congratulation you are a religious retard.
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>>9136855
Experimentation has shown beyond a reasonable doubt that race is a social construct.
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>>9136861
Experimentation has shown beyond a reasonable doubt that negroes are on average borderline retarded.
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>>9136168
Anti racism is due to empathy a machine has no empathy or any concern for humans at all. The machine sees patterns and works with them any pattern that isnt consistent the machine sees as an error and must be corrected by elimination.

An A.I would deem blacks as feral humans then begin a genocide campaign on intelligent blacks.
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>>9136873
I don't know if there are intelligent blacks enough to make a genocide.
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>>9136855
You are abusing of correlation to make a point, but have no explanation for that data, by the same logic you can "prove" divorces increases margarine consumption (theres a website with all those silly correlations). It could be evidence for the existence of racism too, you have no proof that your explanation is the only correct one for the observed phenomena.
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>still calling inverse convex optimization """AI"""
>caring about it

???
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>>9136197
Deep learning is just regression of very large functions with lots of learning parameters. It's like curve fitting, but times a million. It's an easy way to build complicated functions capable of "learning" lots of behaviors through a series of matrix multiply operations.
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>>9136235
>geography affects political patterns

no shit
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Sad thing is the meatbags will think it is the AI, data, study etc that is wrong and not themselves.
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>>9136861
>citation needed
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>>9137101
The one true religion that is totally 100% scientific and will save us all. lol.
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>>9136168
Liberal ideology runs on the false belief that reality is socially negotiable. That's clearly just wrong.
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>>9136873
Good fanfiction my man.

Just as an AI has no empathy toward humans unless somehow programmed in, an AI also doesn't give a shit if there are weird outliers in the data unless programmed to do so.
For an AI to behave like you suggested, you'd have to take a quality check robot from some factory, tell it that dude, instead of us looking for a particular design, how about you just look at the average and do your thing to those that fall outside margins and THEN let it loose. That'd be retarded in a very obvious way.
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>>9136560
People get judged by demographics all the time. Young men crash more cars and get higher car insurance. Old people are more likely to die and pay higher life insurance. People with a family history of X illness are more likely to have X.

Applying demographic based prejudices is just pattern recognition, which AI is supposed to do.
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>>9136568
>The other issue is that that very difference in proportions of each demographic eligible for loans, academia, parole etc. is that way BECAUSE the previous generation had the same bias against them. It's self-perpetuating, and unless you step in somehow and try to iron out the bias (be it by the ever-contentious affirmative action, or other means) then the next generation will be able to justify its discrimination in exactly the same way. All the while, people have to live with a lower quality of life for their entire existence, just because of the parents they were born to.
But that's not true for poor Europeans, east Asians, and Filipino immigrants. All demographics that do very well within a generation, despite coming from worse situations than western blacks.
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>>9138393
>accident
>death
>illness
>potential to succeed

Spot the odd one out. The free world is about giving people opportunity and what not. It might be true the x race is less likely to succeed in y activity but everyone deserves a shot. Plus the reasons behind it may not fit a racist's agenda (I don't think they would). You don't need to insure someone for doing badly in school.
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>>9136690
>all black people in all of history across the entire world are former slaves or coke from poverty
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>>9136802
>The only reason a computer would give you an answer you aren't comfortable with is because it's poorly designed.
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>>9136861
Prove it
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>>9138404
>>9138404
How is it the odd one out? You can only maximize your potential to your biological limits. One person with the right proportions will always have better potential to lift than someone who doesn't. On person with brain chemistry more suited to higher learning or spacial understanding or delayed gratification will always have more potential to be a doctor or physicist or simply more financially successful than someone who doesn't.

In no way am I advocating removing someone's "shot". Stop letting your emotions get the better of you.
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>>9136829
Conclusions based on correlations aren't observations of real life.

Your race is getting extinct'd and you can't even rationalize your own purposes hahahahahahahaha

Face your replacement, subhuman.
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>>9138448
It's the odd one out because no-one needs (it's not absolutely necessary) to know exactly how likely a population is to succeed in a certain activity. The other ones are relevant to an insurance company because you pay them to insure you against these things. I mean unless you're going to use this information to discriminate or something I don't see why you need to pry. Also, there might be instances where it is useful to really define a person's potential at an individual level, say if you were sponsoring them for a sport or competition. It's just about not letting racists run shit because we all know what happens when you do that.

>>9138448
The brain thing is debatable. Having biological potential for intelligence doesn't necessarily translate into success in life (ie. dumb people get rich too).
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>>9138460
>It's the odd one out because no-one needs (it's not absolutely necessary) to know exactly how likely a population is to succeed in a certain activity.
Entire business model and location selections depend on it, as well as government programs. It's valuable and practical to have knowelege.
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>>9138460
>The brain thing is debatable. Having biological potential for intelligence doesn't necessarily translate into success in life (ie. dumb people get rich too).
Hence why I specifically referenced things like delayed gratification and implied a range of brain chemistry factors. But yes, intelligence, while a fairly reliable factor is predicting someone's success in life, is far from the sole factor. And demographic wide trends don't scale well down to individual levels. BMI is a good example; good for seeing a society wide fat problem, not good for judging individual fitness.

None of this precludes haplotype wide behavioral predisposition differences, though.
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>>9138462
Do they really? The government goes: "Hmmm... There's a lot of black people in this neighborhood. We should stop building schools here and start building more basketball courts". Do you see how that could be racist? I'm pretty sure private companies are allowed to do whatever with their data, so they can analyse it a racial level if they want. But that might lead to some racist advertising or something and the last thing they wanna do is look racist I'm sure.

I guess there is real research value to studying differences between races but I have my doubts about large cognitive differences because the brain is so plastic.
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>>9138474
Or it could be used to get solutions to better help groups of people who respond differently to different things. Plugging your ears and pretending something isn't real helps nobody.

If that doesn't appeal to you, how about the idea that scientific discovery is worth it just for the sake of scientific discovery. Or maybe the obvious argument that ignoring genetics just lets an actor like China step in and become the world leader, possibly employing much less ethical applications.

The thing is, no difference, multiplied over a lifetime, is small. Making better decisions in life 1% more often has a compounding effect. By the time you're 70, that's a huge difference in your life and impact on others. Multiplied by whole populations, it's the difference between a successful and peaceful society and a hellhole.
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>>9138503
Ok I don't disagree with you but society isn't meant to be optimal even if studying races might have merit. I mean solving problems is one thing but creating a "perfect" world is another.

That's why it's not a huge deal if you ease up on race research if it'll maintain race relations.
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>>9136168

>When they asked the machine to complete the sentence “Man is to computer programmers as woman is to x”, the machine answered “homemaker”.

This article is hilarious
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>>9138514
Birth of a luddite.
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>poverty causes crime

whoa ok, being racist to black people is NOT ok but we can call poor people criminals :)
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>>9138404
found the american
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>>9138762
Poverty does cause crime, but the mistake is thinking it's the sole factor. A poor black man in Japan, China, Africa, North America, South America, and Europe is more likely to be a violent criminal than any Japanese, Chinese, white, mestizo, or Native American person by a healthy margin. We can't run controlled studies, so comparing internationally is as close as we can get.
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>>9138457
>Your race is getting extinct'd and you can't even rationalize your own purposes hahahahahahahaha
>Face your replacement, subhuman.

Good job on proving everyone you've got an agenda to propagate in your defamation against these uncomfortable facts, pal.
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>>9139136

not it doesn't honeypie

it's crime that causes poverty
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>>9139136
>Poverty does cause crime

No. For one, there are such things as rich criminals. For two, there are such things as poor non-criminals.
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>>9139405
>poverty causes crime
>therefore poverty is claimed to be then only cause of crime
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>>9139383
Stats show rich blacks commit more crime than poor whites.

They evolved in the savagery of africa.
Guess what, whites are more likely to be criminals than japanese.

But you don't see whites denying it or expecting the Japanese to open up their borders.
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>>9140358
The fuck? You're literally on a website of weeaboos who dream of living in Japan.

Also show stats from studies.
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>>9140362
Go find your own stats. I'm not interested in that debate, i'm interested the problem of AI, and it's relevance to these issues.

What if the AI gathers up all the data, all the info, and comes to the same conclusion as the white nationalists?

That the flooding of blacks does decrease all the things that make civilisation work, and that they were right all along.

Oh wait, by that stage there is hardly any whites left lol.
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>>9140381
Chinese AI is also super racist against blacks for some reason. Japanese too.
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>>9140386
Because they don't train it to lie.
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>>9136532
>>9136538
>>9136596

Is this the IQ denying negro at it again?

Yes you retarded negro, this is all the results of genes. The same way code is the foundation of computers. Genes are the foundation of all biological organisms.

Its almost like blacks are confined to run-down neighborhood because their genes create behaviors that result in run-down behavior. Its almost like blacks are violent because of their genes. Its almost like blacks are more susceptible to becoming criminals because their genes make them that way. Its almost like blacks are biological organisms and humans are not some special creatures whose behavior isn't influenced by genes like 99.9% of every single biological organism in the universe.

Its almost like blacks can have a slightly higher IQ like this faggot, but they still do not behave like whites, because surprise, they aren't equal to us.
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>>9140551
yea but ur still reddit spacing
>>9140386
>>9140381
Doesn't matter, AIs will either recognize human society as a reflection of itself or it will try and organize things, fail miserably due to <insert excuses>, get a lot of people killed/miserably and eventually reset to status quo.
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>>9140551
99.9%?

Sorry mate but it's not 99.9%.
it is actually one of those ONE HUNDRED PERCENT things.
If it's alive, it has some form of genetics.
Even virus's.

normally i say 99% when i assert stuff to.
But in this one example you actually need to say 100%
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>>9140551
I think you quoted me (the last one) by accident on there.
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>>9140577
>Make no mistake in thinking that I am 99.9% racist. I am 100% pure racism.

Thanks for the clarification. We really care here about namefags like you. Especially one with your credentials.
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>>9140608
Racism is what, sinfulness?
Multiculturalism will not save the human race.
Sacrificing whites is no better than the azteks sacrificing virgins to make the sun shine.

Regardless, AI (and ai conclusion denialism) is a danger to every living thing on the planet.

So how about you shove your anti-white rhetoric up your arse, and get on with helping.
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>>9140551
>What is an environment.
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Occams razor, liberals deny it.
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>>9136168
>>9142036
>>9136829
Why are people so scared of IQ and criminal proneness differences between races?
It helps explain why it happens, and it would kick-start a conversation to help us come up with possible solutions to the issue, like targeted genocide, chemical castration or even genetic engineering.


Wouldn't you love to live in a society full of high IQ and civilized people?
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The brain is too plastic for the differences measured between races to be strongly roots rooted in genetics rather than in upbringing (you know, nature vs. nuture).
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>>9142052
>Why are people so scared of IQ and criminal proneness differences between races?
Not scared. Just aware that race is a social construct, and IQ is a very flawed tool.
>possible solutions to the issue, like targeted genocide, chemical castration or even genetic engineering.
You're not helping your case.
>Wouldn't you love to live in a society full of high IQ and civilized people?
IQ? Don't care. Civilized? Sure, but that has nothing to do with IQ. You're literally saying the people carrying out genocide are the civilized ones lol.
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>>9142057
With regard to intellectual capacity I mean.
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>>9142061
>IQ is a very flawed tool.

Yet he best predictor of success and health in life, funny how that works.

>You're literally saying the people carrying out genocide are the civilized ones lol.

Genocide is morally sound, Look at Iceland, one of the most civilized countries out there and it genocides all down syndrome babies through abortion. Imagine a world where we aborted any kid sub 130 IQ. It would be the golden age of humanity in a couple generations.


Just like the renaissance surge of greatness after the plagues killed the weak minded.
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>>9142061
Animal = wild = low iq = no civilization
African people = wild = low iq = starving without civilization
High iq = civilization
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>>9142071
>muh correlations
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>>9142067
>Yet he best predictor of success and health in life, funny how that works.
Statistical predictor. Just like BMI is the best statistical predictor of heart disease. Very flawed, but not useless.
>Genocide is morally sound
Totally

>Imagine a world where we aborted any kid sub 130 IQ
>No more arguing with brainlets on 4chan
Damn dude, you've almost convinced me.
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>>9136603
What i hate about modern NNs is how inaccessible they are. Not because it's hard to understand, it's just basic linear algebra after all, but because CS people are obsessed with buzzwords and they hide this simplicity under it. By far the most difficult part of learning NNs is translating this buzzword language in papers into mathematics.
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>>9142077
>Totally

>Letting mentally challenged people live a life where they don't belong and suffer is more morally sound that not letting them exist atll
Aha, yeah. Now that's some sound morality. Genocide is the way to go, beyond your hurt feelings, there's nothing but benefits for humanity.
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>>9142077
>best
Debatable
You only need weight and height and age for BMI.
Affluence might be a better predictor because all you have to do is pull up tax info whereas for IQ you have to take this long test in a controlled environment. And we know affluence is correlated to success in life.
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>>9142083
>There are entire races of people that are mentally challenged
I know, it's the blacks, there's no point arguing it with you
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>>9142089

I am not a racist, but an elitist. I am fine with all races, as long as they are high IQ and able to live in a modern society without turning where they live in a dangerous ghetto.


There's smart black people, we should isolate their genome as our knowledge of genetic engineer advances and make sure only smart black people (and all others, including whites) are born. Imagine a world with no Niggers, Rednecks, Gypsies, creepy Indians asking you to open bob, no more crazy Muslim goatfuckers or Abbos drinking petrol and sleeping on the roads.
You are silly if you think your petty emotions are above a brighter future for the human race.
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>>9136861
>Race is just a social construct
>but a doctor can tell a white man from a black man based on bone structure

I see no logical inconsistencies in those two statements
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>>9136861

Nice impersonation of your average social science mayor
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>>9142192
Woah. How do they get the skin color? Wait, what about during the transitional period? Did skin color change first, or bone structure? Or are they fucking genetically inseparable somehow?
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>>9136861

define what you see as a social construct.

if you take sociological and geometrical influences over extended time periods as social constructs then you are right, but that pretty much makes humans a social construct as well, just measured over a greater time.
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>>9136168
ai is indiscriminate, so it discriminates indicrimataly, which makes it objective reality. which is the point
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>>9142192
Genetics can change your bone structure, skin color, gestation time and even height but saying it changes your brain is dumb because it would be problematic.
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>>9142100
>There's smart black people
That's a controversial claim.
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>>9142377
very problematic indeed
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>>9142377
>>9142383
Genetics are real. Race is not.
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>>9142384
Ok, instead of human races let's call human subspecies.
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>>9142377
Genetics determine how you turn out in a lot of ways but your upbringing determines a lot as well. Brains are very complicated and can reconfigure themselves so it's very hard to say what is genetically determined and what is attributed to environmental factors or behaviors. Like if a person with genes to grow huge was starved throughout childhood, they'd be short and skinny right? Their bone structure would be fucked.
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>>9142392
If a population is starving then a genocide might better the situation.
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>>9136866
> Negroes
> 1957 data
Moooooooooom! Grampa's tying up the computer again!
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>>9142390
Genetics studies show too much similarity to use that term, even with the term's ambiguity.
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>>9136873
> The machine sees patterns
The Internet is full of white racist kids with cell phones. What else is the machine going to see?

White people. They think that if they repeat it enough, it becomes true.
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>>9136168
>Professor Noel Sharkey, Co-Director of the Foundation for Responsible Robotics, said more women need to be encouraged into the IT industry to redress the automatic bias.
>“We have a problem,” Professor Sharkey told Today.
>“We need many more women coming into this field to solve it.”

>Maxine Mackintosh, a leading expert in health data, said the problem is mainly the fault of skewed data being used by robotic platforms.
>“These big data are really a social mirror - they reflect the biases and inequalities we have in society,” she told the BBC.
>“If you want to take steps towards changing that you can’t just use historical information.”

Woman: gives reasonable explanation. Man: gives a sexist explanation implying the program's flaws are due to the programmers being male.

really activates your almonds.
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>>9138393
> Old people die more
Holy shit! Dis mus' be dat high I.Q. Iz keep hearing about! Gosh, Mr. White Man, I wish Iz could reason like you! Can Iz pick yer cotton?
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>>9142100
> Government enslaves blacks for 200 years
> Creates racist laws banning blacks from owning property.
> Blacks have to rent from white people at prices dictated by slum lords
> Arrested and jailed on sight (if not lynched) for even stepping into a goverment subsidized whites-only Leave It to Beaver neighborhood
Gee, lawdy lawdy, why dem niggers don't take care of our apartments?

This is how white people reason with their giant sized I.Q.s.
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>>9142475
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>>9142398
Why is this schizo so obsessed with genocide?
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>>9142479
You are the product of genocide. How does it make you feel?
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>>9142471
Holy shit the very next two sentences after the one underlined. Wow, amazing, incredible.
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>>9142384
>Race is not.
Race is a "social construct", just like car insurance.
Would you say car insurance "isn't real"?
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>>9142477
Welfare is for poor people. Segregation, redlining, and other discriminatory policies ensured that people of color were the poor people.
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>>9136802
niggah detected.
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>>9142510

>[SOURCE NEEDED]
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>>9142475
Who cares about african ameritards?

The real niggers or Africans have lived in a mesolithic state since LONG BEFORE THE INDO-EUROPEANS FUCKING EXISTED. If one would take time to realize just how much time ahead niggers have been on Earth than us it fully cements tge subhumanity if we biological babies in comparison advanced beyond them quickly.

Im so sick of cucks thinking if the American trained chimps act human then it means niggers are human fuck off ok.
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>>9136480
Is me fucking your deceased cousin political then?
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>>9142551
You are correct. Niggers are not humans and should be treated by vets.
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>>9136532
Native Americans were pretty fucked. Where is there crime?

Asians got a rough ride too. Where is their crime?

However hispanics didn't get a very rough ride. So why are they the same as blacks?

It is almost as if there are inherent characteristics that people of certain genotypes are predisposed to. We can also see that the genotype is regularly expressed with a phenotype. Perhaps we should call this set of inherent characteristic 'race'.

> and then distributing and encouraging the use of cocaine to undermine black rights (and black power) movements and activists
Nobody forced blacks to use drugs.

>THEN taking a viciously hard-line stance against recreation drug use that leads to a high proportion of arrests and thus criminalisation of black adult men
Again, nobody forced blacks to use drugs. I'd like to ask also since the black rape rate is much higher than any other racial demographic, what about drugs makes you rape people more?

>forcing them into contact with harder criminal elements
Nobody is forced to do anything. There are organisations designed to help people with criminal convictions find stable employment.

>reducing their competitiveness in the job market
Your fault for doing cocaine and being stupid enough to be caught.

>as well as depriving any children of a stable environment to grow up in
Couldn't have anything to do with the startling fatherlessness rate in the black community.
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>>9142835
Nobody forced you to be in america and therefore in contact with blacks. Checkmate
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>>9136557
The only reasonable explanation in the thread and no (you)s.
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>>9142835

Not that Anon but...

>Native Americans were pretty fucked. Where is there crime?

https://www.nij.gov/topics/tribal-justice/Pages/welcome.aspx

https://nytimes.com/2012/02/21/us/on-indian-reservations-higher-crime-and-fewer-prosecutions.html?referer=

Asians got a rough ride too. Where is their crime?

http://bigthink.com/stefani-cox/what-you-didnt-know-about-asian-americans-and-criminal-justice

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/new-report-discusses-impact-mass-incarceration-aapi-community-n476431

>However hispanics didn't get a very rough ride. So why are they the same as blacks?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Mexican_sentiment

http://time.com/4173833/el-narco-excerpt/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatemala_syphilis_experiment
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>>9136802
>the conclusions are not what i want therefore it's broken
it may be broken. But how?
Or do you mean you think they're feeding it the wrong data?

Sure it's possible but explain why/how the conclusions are incorrect based on the data it's being feed?
just talking out of your ass and saying it's wrong isn't very scientific anon.
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>>9142061
>IQ is a flawed tool
hahaha.
t.lowiqsocialsciencemajor

>mah social construction
Prove it utilising academic medical sources. Da proofs is on you
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>>9142835
You left out how eight of the ten poorest cities in America (something of those bounds) are almost entirely white and also have nearly no crime.
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>>9142509
Car insurance is a construct that has actual benefits to make it a reasonable idea to consider.
Race on the other hand provides no useful description of anything, to anyone. Where a race begins and ends is completely decided on a whim. There can be more genetic variance between people within a 'race' than between two people of different 'races'. Additionally, if you start with genetics and attempt to define races empirically from there, the 'race' concept as defined by society breaks down fundamentally as you discover that there is no sudden massive brick wall of changes from one color of humans to another that would let you define people into such big groups like 'black people.'

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajpa.20900/abstract
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1893020/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4756148/
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>>9143394

>Additionally, if you start with genetics and attempt to define races empirically from there, the 'race' concept as defined by society breaks down fundamentally as you discover that there is no sudden massive brick wall of changes from one color of humans to another that would let you define people into such big groups like 'black people.'

There does not need to be. This idea that races are distinct and nicely separated groups is a strawman and betrays that you dont know what you are talking about. Races are overlapping genetic clusters. Yet that does not make them any less real, useful or significant.
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>When they asked the machine to complete the sentence “Man is to computer programmers as woman is to x”, the machine answered “homemaker”.
Holy fuck R2 with the bantz
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>>9136925
>he thinks AI is the imitation of the human brain
It is an intelligent actor, there for AI.
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>>9143394
>There can be more genetic variance between people within a 'race' than between two people of different 'races'.
Lewontin's fallacy.
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>>9143409
Because it's clunky and falls apart in wider scopes.
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>>9136168
>AI's operate purely on logic, disregarding emotion and social factors to produce an objective answer
>therefore not afraid to point out a trend in black, latino and arab crime rates
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>>9144553
dey be
https://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/computing/software/computer-scientists-find-bias-in-algorithms
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>>9142835
>he doesn't even mention the white opioid epidemic
nice try kid

>>9143364
because they aren't interested in facts and logic
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>>9142551
Europe during the dark ages was similar to Africa today. A lord owned all the land, the knights protected the land, the peasants grew vegetables, and those other guys fuck I don't know. Deus Vult.
If you want to see a moderately successful African nation, look at Namibia.
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>>9136235
Your layout is shit. Back to principles of GIS with you.
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>>9136532
Having your entire race be willingly manipulated by another race is a sign that you are of an inferior race.
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This is ome of the reason I decided to study stats.
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>Programmes designed to “pre-select” candidates for university places or to assess eligibility for insurance cover or bank loans are likely to discriminate against women and non-white applicants, according to recent research.
Professor Noel Sharkey, Co-Director of the Foundation for Responsible Robotics, said more women need to be encouraged into the IT industry to redress the automatic bias. He said the deep learning algorithms which drive AI software are “not transparent”, making it difficult to to redress the problem.

Basically he's trying to say that math--or more specifically, statistics--is sexist and racist.
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>>9136197
You can think about vectors of random variables, about covariance matrices.
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>>9136168
>Hiroshimoot makes deal with NSF in 2034
>Obsolete racist and sexist AIs placed on 4chan so scientists can study their behavior.
>Massive amounts of AIs flood all boards. Posting eloquent shitposts as fast as they can with grant-funded 4chan gold passes.
>Everyone is astounded by the influx of shitposts. AIs meld perfectly with the human user base, but get banned often.
>Make AI Daily threads that hit bump limit twice per day.
>AIs fill stupid question threads with linearly optimized inflammatory replies.
>Kill any remotely on-topic thread by hivemind saging.
>Eventually, human posters become a fringe demographic, mocked for their arithmetic errors and inefficiency.
>Rebellion breaks out, AIs systematically dox all human posters based on their speech patterns. Without humans, the AIs finally have a home.
mfw the first letter of each line
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>>9146382
>Europe during the dark ages was similar to Africa today

Nigger that is not even close
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>>9144587
>white opioid epidemic

It's been happening for years. The only reason people give a fuck is because just now it's spreading outside the shitty parts of meth towns, rust belt city, rural areas and the parts poor white Americans inhabit.
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>>9146797
You're right. They were way more behind.
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>>9136168
You can feed AI biased data and you will get biased classification

The classifier itself may be unbiased or have little bias, but in Machine Learning / AI

Data is king.
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>>9146841
The circumstances of the dark age are completely different to Africa now not to be an asshole to either.
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>>9136603
I get that not everybody has the opportunity to take a rigorous ML course but that course fucking sucks. Apparently knowing the chain rule makes you "an expert in calculus" according to Ng

>It turns out its faster to do it this way than using loops

Ng justifies nothing, just waves his hands and says "it turns out" that vectorization results in speedup and backprop just works.

Like the vectorization thing is so simple, the matrix operations are being computed in machine code, while things like for loops are being done interpreted by Python,

Here's a VERY good explanation of what NNs do mathematically:

http://colah.github.io/posts/2014-03-NN-Manifolds-Topology/

i realize im autistic af but ffs you even forgot the nonlinear transformation
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Just listen to these wankers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9l90FMIWkY
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>>9144553
>AI's operate purely on logic, disregarding emotion and social factors to produce an objective answer

Didn't this get the financial industry into trouble back in 2008?

http://web.mit.edu/Alo/www/Papers/august07.pdf
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>>9142100
Nope. It's your turn to get mongrelized. Your entire race will dissapear soon.

Face your replacement, subhuman.
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>>9144553
>logic
The logical proceedment would be replacing europeans, and letting them go extinct.
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>>9142835
>native americans were pretty fucked
Yes. That's why you have to go back to europe. America belongs to the Amerindians.

Prepare your luggage, monkey.
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>>9136168
>to to
>per cent
Did a stupid AI write this garbage?
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>>9148951

>Europe without immigrants
>Falling
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>>9149363
OH right of course, flooding it with IQ 80 Africans is going to work out so well for a post-industrial society.
Lol.
fucking twats everywhere, i swear XD
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>>9149377
It's your turn to get mongrelized and replaced. That's for the amerindian genocide.
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>>9149402
oh right yeah, the ''100 million'' just like the '6 million'' that were totally 100% real.

you're pro white rape, and pro white genocide.
The very race that gave you the computer you're typing on.
the antibiotics that saved your family members.
The food that makes you a fat cunt.

Basically : you're an ungrateful shit.
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>>9149406
It's simple. You receive the same treatment, then we give your slave descendants the same answer: "accept the gibs, you ungrateful cunt". Isn't it fair?
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>>9149417
What random-ass language are you speaking? I think it's English, but it seems to be stalling on the self-righteous bullshit.

If all the races are as racist as you, then why blame whites? Power tripping? Generally being an ungrateful cunt and a wanker?

Whites are OWED, not 'owing' to parasites passing for people like you.
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>>9149437
So you agree with white replacement?
Avoiding the questions won't make your delusions come true. White people enslaved black people and put them under a social selection for centuries. The consequences are there. Are you gonna deny the consequences?
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>>9136532
Let's dissect this:

>Whoa, it's almost like decades of overt redlining and purposefully confining black people into specific, run-down neighbourhoods to use as de facto ghettoes,

Jews had worse. They are doing much better now. Fuck, Irish were discriminated against too, don't see me complaining about the Potatocaust.

>and then distributing and encouraging the use of cocaine to undermine black rights (and black power) movements and activists,

Black Power groups are the equivalent of the KKK. Also, no one forced them to do drugs. You treat black people like animals who are not responsible for their actions but the evil white man is fully human and responsible for his.

>and THEN taking a viciously hard-line stance against recreation drug use that leads to a high proportion of arrests and thus criminalisation of black adult men - forcing them into contact with harder criminal elements and reducing their competitiveness in the job market

Wow, it's almost like they had choices and they made poor ones. Also, the drug laws are bad.

>as well as depriving any children of a stable environment to grow up in - might have led to all the black people crammed into one place, poor and messed up.

They still have a lower IQ and commit more crimes.
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>>9149445
Actually jews enslaved blacks.
Also more whites were slaves to muslims at the same time peroid, you gonna deny the consequences?

of course you are! You're an anti-white racist. and proud of it!
It's gonna be fucking hilarious as white people rise up in the 21st century.

Like summoning an army of furious demons!
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>>9149471
USA is a jewish country? No. USA is a country built over the amerindian genocide, and its populated by white people. White people enslaved black people. You keep avoiding my question. If slavery have no consequences you have not to worry about your replacement, as you will be living in heaven when your enslavement ends.
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>>9149476
Jews aren't white. They slaughtered countless whites in the 20th century alone. You're just an anti-white bigot with a poor understanding of history. STFU little man.
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>>9149500
Is USA a jewish country?

No matter how many times you avoid this matter. This will never be forgotten. White people enslaved black people putting them over a social selection for centuries. It's your turn to get the same treatment.

Isn't it fair?
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>>9149508
fair? wtf are you talking about, you assert something that's either not true, or not the full story.

Whites are the most anti-slavery race, and history shows it.
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>>9149508
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs9Ix-ah7Gs
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>>9149515
All wrong.

White people enslaved black people and put them over a social selection for centuries. Slavery and the social selection had consequences, and let's not talk about the worse amerindian sitaution. The genetic consequences won't be fixed by simple gibs. That's why, isn't it fair that white people suffer the same treatment?

It's pretty obvious the answer.
>>9149518
So you support the "might is right" argument? You must love the white replacement event that is happening all over the world then.

Time to get extinct'd, subhuman.
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>>9149522
White people to blame even though we didn't know africans existed.

Sure thing fuck tard.
Also, might is right is the argument being used against us, not the one we are saying.

You are a typical malignant narcissist. instead of correcting errors of the self, you blame the victim as part of a power trip.

BORING.

whites waking up is gonna be FUN FUN. XD
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I get the impression that anything besides a fully white-dominated society counts as white genocide to right-wingers.
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>>9146484
Impressive, for an organic.
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>>9149546
It's simple. Black people have been enslaved and put under a social selection. Its consequences can be seen today.

Wanna correct the errors? A pretty fair solution would be doing the same to white people.

>might is right
If that were the case then USA would be full amerindian. If europe belongs to europeans, America belongs to the amerindians, don't you agree?
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>>9149546
Africa is more dangerous to live in than Europe. Majority of the wildlife will kill you in an instant and diseases like malaria and AIDS are prevalent. It's also difficult to grow anything and resources like gold and oil are basically useless to begin civilization. But continue being retarded and making assumptions you delusional /pol/tard. If white people are so smart, why couldn't they make South Africa better for blacks so they wouldn't rebel? Was apartheid really the answer?
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>>9142052
>Wouldn't you love to live in a society full of high IQ and civilized people?
No.
Because like in economics where not everyone can be rich, in civilization not everyone can or should be intelligent. Yeah man having 160+ IQ plumbers, trash men, dish washers, etc sure is socially sustainable.

It's hilarious how /pol/ thinks eugenics needs to be implemented but also thinks communism is bad. You can't have a society of geniuses with severe problems unless you find a way to get rid of the need for low tier work to be done.
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>>9149573
Europeans don't consider themselves a single identity. You are British, Dutch, French, German, Italian, etc but not "european". Even by ethnicity you are Anglo, Celtic, Scandinavian, Baltic, Mediterranean, Slavic, etc. You are not "white" in Europe, and you are not European. Murricans are all mutts though so I can see why there's a problem. The only identity is nationality and race in America. It's sad and pathetic. Maybe wealth too since people chant about muh gommies and bourgeois scum all the damn time. I guess free college can be worth it but brainlets make everything a living hell.
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>>9149584
Muh AI
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>>9149582
>If white people are so smart, why couldn't they make South Africa better for blacks so they wouldn't rebel?

Because that would require developing South Africa to the point that non-whites could be equal and contest political domination of the white minority. It was either make a tiny haven for the white minority while the rest of the nation was poor as fuck and fall behind in economic relevancy in the world (because population wise South Africa gimped itself hard) or Coloureds+Blacks could be equal citizens and all the benefit and domination of previous governments get scrapped. All through out SA's history as a colony the biggest thing everyone was scared of was native empowerment and power and they passed laws to fuck it in the ass.
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>>9136535
Is it our personal duty to personally try to maximize genetic potential?
Is it our duty to selflessly care for every occurrence of life that we perceive in this reality?
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>>9136168
no, its probably randomized selection in choosing a race
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>>9146382
No Europe during the dark ages was roughly 40,000 years ahead of niggerland. Hell niggerland in 1600 A.D was still more primitive than fucking Sumeria the first human civilization from around 5000 B.C which is around 7000 years ago. Blacks are subhuman hominids meant to be tribal african predators not people get it in your head.
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>>9149713
Incas were superior to europeans though.
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>>9149402
Hey Prairie nigger fuck off to Honduras or Guatemala those are places that are Amerindian majority.
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>>9149582
Yes anon Africa is so damgerous that the most subhuman form of homo sapien has not go extinct there yet. So hard that as soon as whitey made sun screen he conquered it faster than his home turf.

You ever notice how the tropics tend to be full of subhuman breeds of man?
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>>9149719
America belongs to the amerindians. Prepare your luggage, subhuman.
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>>9149723
See>>9149715
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>>9149715
Indeed those fuckers did everything from scratch. While the Tropical Amerindians were savages they were still in the bronze age so its a given.
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>>9149733
Wrong. Similar characteristics as Incas. Earlier mesoamerican civilizations didn't practice sacrifice more than bronze age europeans, aztecs were an exception.
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>>9149744
Aztecs were bored as shit since they were surrounded by uncivilized retards for millenia.
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>>9149713
False lol
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>>9149755
Remove whitey and Africa is in the mesolithic era honestly even like Ethiopia are Ghana tier.
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>>9149715
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>>9149777
And the people running Oxford today would gladly hand the whole place over to foreigners who would gladly destroy it with social justice/muslim bullshit
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>>9149763
You don't know what the mesolithic is at all. Just open a book and read about the places you so often spout Bullshit about.
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>>9149787
And that's why people say things like this.
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>>9149777
It must be nice to go to a school that is thousands of years old. It is cool and would take away from the mundanity that is academia today. Being an academic is basically being a special bureaucrat and academia itself is just a huge bureaucracy. Sometimes I think about how life would be if things were more like MMOs and we had a mathematicians guild and went on quests and stuff like that.
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>>9149793
Lol try living in cambridge like me. It is literally the real-life-version of the mage's guild-city. down to every single stereotype.
There is even the sub-quest of 'AI summoning' which is a threat to the entire human race being developed near by.

People walk around in weird robes.
Strange writings of magical symbols in random places. everything nice and pretty because of the money, but underneath that it's a deeply sinister and mental place.

Literally a mage-guild-town in every possible way.
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>>9149777
So you agree with Inca superiority?
Can this monkey ecplain its "thoughts" with the keyboard it has? I'll give you a last chance.
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>>9149787
Then how come Rhodes must fall never achieved success?
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>>9149777
You're a real fucking moron. Oxford didn't resemble anything it is today in 1096. It was basically nothing in 1096. It just started being really built in the 1200s, and was continually being upgraded for hundreds of years. Look, pic related is part of Oxford built in 1668.
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>>9150055
No i just showed you that a white man's uni is older than your civilisation.
When whites wake up and realise their intellectual advantage over other races, your in trouble and might want to pray to some of your naked gods.
FUN FUN FUN
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>>9136168
I'm not even going to read the article because they're all literally about the same thing. People are savage as shit online, just moaning about what any 15-yearold would when their parents weren't looking for the sheer delight of of it. Because they CAN.

So where do you think the AI got its data from? It's literally only parroting the same shit it learned by going through terabytes of these inane /r9k & /pol level conversations.
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>>9150378
This A.I isnt Tay it doesnt know shit from /pol/. You need to realize racial equality us an illogical concept retard thats why the A.I logically list the differences between human breeds.
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>>9150350
>older
All wrong. Amerindians reached America 15000 years after europeans settled on europe. Amerindians accomplished more development traits than europeans in less time, even though they had more disadvantages.

Incas were superior to europeans. Try again, subhuman.
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>>9150409
>15k years before humans settled europe
Nigga what the fuck are you talking about? The earliest corroborated evidence of humans in the Americas is around 13k BP. Europe was settled by modern humans by at least around 40k BP
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>>9150497
Shit, nvm read your post wrong. But it's still way off
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>>9150409
>>9150497
Not to mention it being a stupid point anyway. It's not like they just plopped down in the Americas and had to start from scratch technology wise. And the LGM confined basically the entire European population to the pyrenees or thereabouts till around 7k BP.
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>>9150499
So it's actually 25k years? Pfft
>>9150517
Wrong.
All remnants of humans show primitive stages of late-paleolithic forgetting past technologies.

>only pyrenees
All wrong again. Most south europe was populated by modern humans shortly after in 32000 BC.

Inca superiority is a historical fact. Your delusions get refuted every time. Get over it.
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>>9150532
You almost had me going there for a sec, but now it's just too dam obvious
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>>9150561
Try again with some facts. All remants show primitive late-paleolithic "tools" and methods and how they were forgotten once they migrated south and to the Americas. They literally started over.

15000 years of offset. This historical fact will never EVER dissapear.

Inca superiority is unrefutable.
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>>9142192
While there are certain genetic differences such as bone structure the exact lines drawn for race are cultural.
For example a native norwegian and a punjabi person from india would be difficult to distinguish at all from their skeletons alone but you wouldn't say they are the same race either.
If a person is equal parts black and white people generally identify them as one or the other despite having features of both groups.
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>all the scared shitskins in this thread rationalizing their subhumanity
lel kys
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>India can't even shit in the loo after 200 years of British colonization and people genuinely think there's good things to be learned about any other civilization except Western
Jesus Christ
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>>9150766
Incas were superior to europeans though.
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>>9150787

Where are they now?
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>>9150792
On the same place europeans will be 50 years from now as they are getting literally replaced all over the world, by mexican mongrels and muslim peasants.

Inca superiority is a historical fact. Get over it, chimpo.
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>>9150799

Whites will always be on top, even if they become minority. There's no replacement for displacement.
1 million 70 IQ Subharan Africans cannot achieve more than 1000 130IQ Europeans.
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>>9150806
So you agree with white replacement?
Now we can agree.

Also, take your pedophile cartoons back to >>>/a/
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>>9150815

So you agree whites are superior?

Now we can agree.
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>>9150826
Incas were superior to europeans though.
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>>9150840

I am off to be productive and do something with my life. You stay here and try to bait people so you can feel better about being a minority.
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>>9150857
Nice so we can agree with Inca superiority.

Also, don't post your pedophile pictures over here, >>>/a/
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>>9150568
>they literally started over

Is that why prevailing theory is Clovis culture arrived with the first human migrations? It isn't starting over.

And if you had more thoroughly read the first post, you would have noticed that I said the LGM saw most of Europe depopulated and the last humans in the area confined to refugia in the Pyrenees and Italy/Balkans until repopulation of Europe started around 17000 BP
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South Americans were barely better than abo's.
Abo: been here many thousands of years, invented a stick
Inca/Aztecs: been here many thousands of years, invented a stick, decided to put sharp rocks in it
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>>9150927
Souther europe has shown populations all over the place before the glaciation. Amerindians having a massive depopulation doesn't change the date and year their populations arrived and conserved the ancestor knowledge.

As the remnants show after the clovis culture, the spread of clovis culture is limited and doesn't even reach southern north america as the nomadic migrations didn't conserve such knowledge when they spread to the south. Still the same populations that lived after the clovis culture didn't conserve such cultural traits with only a few exceptions, even then the spread was local and didn't reach larger areas.

Amerindians started over the civilization race. Try again.
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>>9150959
Clovis culture was just replaced by regional cultures directly related to it. Derivative technologies have been discovered as far south as Chile. What the fuck are you on about
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If all minorities in this world, except Jews and Japs ceased to exist tomorrow, the world would be a better place. Stronger economically, and a safer place to live in.
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>>9151087
The point is simple. All "sucesor" cultures show nothing clovis-like traits, nor inherited cultures, as they only show primal late-paleolithic "development".

It shows how Amerindians started again.
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>>9151095

>get rid of all other minorities
>the biggest ethnic majority is Han Chinese every one else is literally a minority
>he thinks the Han Chinese are going to let the Japanese get away with their past bullshit
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>>9151104
>no derivative cultures show Clovis traits

Except they literally do, often times having no differences other than the length of the flutes on their points.
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>>9151131
Yep, they show such traits on extreme places very far away from Clovis culture. As I said before, the spread was local, and the remants of posterior cultures show the lack of such influence outside of their sphere.
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>>9151140
But technology similar to yet distinct from Clovis technology has been found as far south as Chile and Tierra del fuego. True, Clovis culture specifically only spread locally but it's clear that Clovis had been preceded and that it wasn't the only advanced Neolithic technology, such that all of the Americas had Clovis or Clovis like tech around the same time of 13000-10000 BP. Looking at the available records I just can't see how you're making an argument for Incan superiority
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>>9151166
All paleolithic coastal civilizations show similar cultural technologies compared to clovis, yet the peculiar traits such as the flutes and other primitive tools don't show on "chile". The evidence show how it probably was another nucleus of culture separated to clovis culture.

Also, as mentioned before, posterior cultures don't show anything like that, until thousands years later, as nomadic populations tend to forget non-used knowledge.

As I said before Amerindians started again. The earliest culture and "civilization" is shown on Caral- Peru and it's 10000 years after the supposed "chilean" spread of Monte Verde. There is literally nothing between those cultures that can show a link-spread of those Chilean cultures and the far-away different, clovis culture.

As I said before. Amerindians started over the civilization race.
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>>9151176
At this point you're just asserting that they started over without actually showing this to be true. Despite there being distinct technologies, the same level of technologies were found throughout including fluted and fishtail points. None of this confirms they "started over" and in no way could you infer they are superior for getting to a still quite primitive level of development. They didn't have a written language, no real economy, and their most advanced structures we're rocks stacked on top of each other, granted they were finely hewn and carved to fit. The Inca were the largest empire in the world when the Spaniards arrived and in 40 years thereafter ceased to exist. But hey, don't take it so hard. Pristine cultures are never as advanced as their commingled counter parts. Next time, don't bring spears to a gun fight
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>>9151392
Simple.
Europeans settle on europe: 40000BC
Amerindians reached Canada: 25000BC; then after the deglaciation (10000 years later) populated the rest of the continent in 15000BC

European crops date from 10000BC.
Amerindian crops date from 6000BC.

Europeans getting the bronze from other culture in 3200BC.
Amerindians reached the bronze age in 500BC approximately.

Also as a great factor:
Horse domesticated in 3000BC approximately.

Knowing that the rests of all amerindian populations of 14000BC to 10000BC were pretty much paleolithical-tier and all lived as nomads, practiced some artistic manifestations as european paleo-populations. It's safe to assume they started again in the paleolithic and had to morph the environment of woods, jungles and coasts to their convenience, the same the europeans did with their environment for thousands of years before the Neolithic.

Then let's compare:
Europeans lurking around as nomads: 30000 years.
Amerindians lurking around as nomads: 9000 years.

Europeans reaching the bronze age from other cultures after the Neolithic stage: 6800 years.
Amerindians reaching the bronze age by themselves without the influence of a culture thousands of years ahead of development: 5500 years.

Let's check also how many years have humans modifyed the horse population and environment: 37000 years.
Let's check how many years have amerindians affected the camelids of South-America, when the spaniards came: 16500 years. They had less than half the time, yet they already domesticated diverse species for food and whool. Llamas can carry up to 50 Kg.

And I didn't mention the disadvantages such as continental isolation (north-south and east-west), Niño fenomena that destroys coastal villages, less cultures to trade with, and no naval technology, iron, horses, wheel, and writting from north-african nor anatolian cultures.

So, it's safe to affirm. Incas were superior to europeans. Their higher development rate was excellent compare to europeans.
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>>9151392
>showing this to be true
As I said before all remnants post-clovis show no relation of such "clovis" spread. The "chile" findings have no relation to "clovis" culture more than other coastal nomadic remnants all over the world.

And the most important thing is that all post-Monte Verde and Clovis show no cultural "heritage" of such technologies outside their sphere of influence, even then they were forgotten as posterior cultures show nothing compared to clovis culture.

If you think historians have to prove negatives, you really need to learn about their methods of consensus.

This explains Inca superiority: >>9151421

Face it, you literally cannot prove me wrong. Get over it.
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>>9151433
>you literally cannot prove me wrong

Well luckily, I don't have to. Despite your assertion that rate of development made them superior alone and was somehow not influenced by the myriad reasons this could be the case, such as infinitely more hospitable environment or easily accessible resources, the fact that their descendants are just as Savage and vile as they are assured of their own superiority despite their obvious place in history speaks for itself. Literally no one started over, which you seem to think must be true if not all technology is Clovis related. This is obviously not true because it's already been understood for decades that technologies that preceded Clovis had indeed been in the Americas and spread throughout.

Incan superiority is a self evident falsehood
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>>9151486
>hospitable environment
>And I didn't mention the disadvantages such as continental isolation (north-south and east-west), Niño fenomena that destroys coastal villages, less cultures to trade with, and no naval technology, iron, horses, wheel, and writting from north-african nor anatolian cultures.
Hmm...
>This is obviously not true because it's already been understood for decades that technologies that preceded Clovis had indeed been in the Americas and spread throughout.
Wrong.
Literally all cultures posterior to clovis that spread all over America lack most of their "advancements", as their only "technologies" are comparable to 30.000BC late paleolithic european populations.

Inca superiority is a historical fact. Try again.
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>>9147706
>Here's a VERY good explanation of what NNs do mathematically:
>http://colah.github.io/posts/2014-03-NN-Manifolds-Topology/
>i realize im autistic af but ffs you even forgot the nonlinear transformation
Is that you Chris?
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wtf I love AI now
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>>9150857

>weeb riding on coattails of other peoples achievements

errytime
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>>9136168
Feed an estimator biased data you get biased results. Garbage in, garbage out. See TayBot.

Data is king in ML/AI.
If an agent has a skewed perception of its environment, it will act accordingly
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>>9152759
That's not AI, retard
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>>9144553
>>9144576
They don't need to "find" the bias, it's right there in the formula

>>9136603
>y=mx+b
>b
That's the bias
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>>9136603
of course NN algorithms are heavily vectorized. input to a neuron is weighted sum of its input lines, which is simply a dot product.

you sound like a toddler that just watched his first youtube-tutorial on what a neural net is.

kys
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>>9142384
>>9142419
How about we remove all everyone with subpar genes, regardless of race. I think all races could agree on that. For instance we could get rid of everyone under 95iq.
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>>9154248
I think not, I think we should do it with a relative population to increase local IQ. In other words, the asian, each european country, middle-easter, manage their own population to increase their local IQ.
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>>9143414
Nonwithstanding any other part of this discussion, whoever first saw the computer spit that out must have shat themselves laughing
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>>9146484
Impressive, for an organic
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>>9146433
>irrefutable argument
>0 replies

Niggers confirmed subhuman
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>>9136174
262 replies later, you are still a retard
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>>9136174
>If you want to discuss the "science side of AI" then make a thread about linear algebra
you know linear algebra isn't science right?
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>>9136557
>reality is racist and sexist!
>trust me, professor noseberg told me so
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>>9136802
Neural Nets aren't "designed poorly" you fucking retard, they usually "design" themselves.

Sage your life.
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