Why are we spending money on space programs and exploration when

>>9111166
Who gives a fuck in the long term?

Most people will die unaccomplished.

Appeal to feelings is a mistake.

>>9111166
Because we'll all be starving if we don't escape climate change.
>>9111186
Edgy.

>>>/pol/

>>9111166
Kings don't need your money

>>9111191
Fake news

>>9111166
Because for most developing nations in Africa it generally is not feasible to lay and maintain hard communications infrastructure, so they've opted for wireless. ie, pulsed fields at microwave frequencies, often right in the center of villages. They all carry cell phones. In a few generations their ability to produce viable offspring will be greatly reduced, and their lifespan will be much shorter. Just like the rest of the world.

More or less, a solution is already in motion.

>>9111166
Because 99.99% of children in Africa are a waste of time and resources.

>>9111166
>feed children in Africa
>more children in Africa for us to feed
We should just bail out of Africa or try a second Apartheid if they can't even govern themselves.

>>9111166
Money has only worsened Africa's problems, we should stop sending money and let half of them die and let the rest figure out how to society. Also desu space exploration is interesting, niggers are not

Lack of food really isn't that big of a problem, the main problem is their corrupt governments impoverishing them. If we really wanted to help Africa we would invade it.

sending aid to africa has been proven to go to waste multiple times coz niggers cant control themselves and do war, overbreed niglets and elect dictators

Most of modern Africa's problems can be linked to colonialism, relative to a given population's cultural background and hard biological biases (dictating subsequent state change even if left alone). Africa got systematically fucked up pretty hard. Modern "aid" is more or less an extension of this, especially given that China has already pretty well strip mined their mountains of rare earth metals, and the congo remains a viable source still. Among other stuff. So the ol' divide and conquer, and proxy armies, and controlled conflict still applies. It is also profitable to play and arm both sides.

Many facets. I've considered going to some part of Africa (probably the savannah, rather than the jungle), just to see how it really is. That or Siberia.

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>Cut space funding
>Thousands lose their jobs
>End up spending all the money you saved providing benefits for everyone you just made unemployed

>>9111166
We just need to make international state-finance-business stop systematically raping Africa for """capital""" and the African ecosystems and their constituents will be fine.
Free life yo

>>9111333
Don't forget the world bank and foreign direct investment from the west.
The Congo has already been sold.

>>9111354
>Implying the bulk of modern economics actually maps to anything with hard intrinsic value
>Implying money isn't just abstract bullshit that amounts to bets built on top of bets on top of bets
>Implying "value" can't be fluidly manipulated at will, and the average person isn't a wageslave running in wheel.
>Implying we haven't long since solved all of our resource supply and distribution problems, and we don't overproduce to the point where it becomes not only viable, but advantageous to engage in absurd levels of disgusting waste.

We're just a bunch of bullshitters. By force. Jobs are bullshit. Starving to death due to job loss is completely artificial. Losing everything because of job loss is only due to not being able to have the capital to own anything. This started during the depression pretty profoundly. Landlords would, for a few extra cents a month, rent basic things to you. Dishes. Furniture. Tools. And of course, it was all bullshit. You never actually got anywhere. People quickly found the moment you lost your job, everything you "had" also disappeared. You were where you started, whether you have savings or not. Now this is how our entire society is structured, and people just have to accept it as the only path to the supposed good life. And the chains are layered on. The ties keep forming. And then you are bound. Fuck that. I have a mortgage and it's the main thing controlling my every move. And none of the money spent maps to doing one's part to maintain an overarching system wherein life is made better for everyone. It's all waste. It's all decadence and trash. Meanwhile the "middle class" continues to be systematically drained at an increasing rate.

Fuck your "muh jobs" horseshit. You don't know a damn thing.

GIVE ME MORE MONEY WHITE BOI

>>9111166
Why are children starving in Africa when they can be working on a space program?

>>9111678
This. They just need to pick themselves up by the bootstraps.

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if they are starving then why won't they just farm lmao

why don't the niggers just grow their own food

>>9111166

Actually the children in Africa are mostly fairly well-off, it's only niggers and other lower animals who starve.

>help starving children in Africa
>they grow up and have 8 children they can't feed a piece
>problem is now 8x worse

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>>9111733
Blacks are 12% of the US but are only 2% of the farmers.

You'd think with the whole slavery thing they would be more acquainted with the skill.

>>9111166
>feed children in africa
>oh shit they are having more kids
>now there is a larger number of children in africa to feed

aid was a mistake.

because the farming soil there,if you can even call it that, is ass for actual farming and its too hot to grow fro a good chunk of the year and theres not enough water for the would-be farms and most likely, due to social instability, if they tried getting larger farms so they dont starve, theyre own people would rob them.

>>9111166
Because developing sciences (of which space travel is but one) allows us to tackle those problems, and makes the solutions difficult instead of outright impossible.

I'm sure somebody asked Bob to stop banging rocks together and come help the family skin the bison with their teeth.

>>9111166

Most first world countries don't even fully take care of their own poor. Sub 5% unemployment rate is considered "good", take a second to think how fucked that is when you host a population of +300 million like the U.S..

>>9111761

Two percent isn't that bad to be honest, it's probably better to invest in either joining the military or pursue some kind of STEM work though.

>>9111166
>"There are starving children in africa"
>the few billion dollars that NASA gets is to put into forgien aid
>foreign Aid goes into feeding the starving children assuming it dosen't line the pockets of incompetent dime a dozen dictators
>more food enables Africa's already insane population growth rate to continue
>a new bigger generation is born, and its needs even more food
>"There are starving children in africa"

>>9111166
We've been spending money on starving african children for ages, it doesn't change anything. May as well spend it on space programs where it can make a difference.

>>9111166
At what point is it like feeding the strays and forcing them into perpetual dependence?

>>9111835
decades ago

>>9111166
>we spending money
What do you mean by "we", Peasant?

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>We should give incentive for people who can't feed themselves
https://youtu.be/yhC7_g-QcMY

>>9111761
Because farming is harder than blaming whitey for all your problems.

>>9111166
Because they can't support themselves and artificially propping them up has to be a permanent thing they are so incompotent

Because Africa has to learn how to solve problems by themselves. Every time we intervene, we take away their autonomy. There was once people who assumed the burden of civilization. African people disliked that, because they would have rather knock on their doors as refugees.

We explore space because we want to, and see a need to.

>>9111166
because if you feed them ... the population grows until they cant be fed anymore ... I mean really its the petri dish idea of human population growth like a bacteria

>>9111166
Why did you spend money on your computer, or on a car, or on books?

There are starving african kids to feed, after all. There always are.

>>9111191
Nice try soros, but nobody buys the le apopaclypse climate meme anymore. Climate ((("scientists"))) have the credibility of car salesmen at this point

>>9112226
>t. brainlet

>>9111166
I care about space. I dont really care about africa.

>>9111975
>Because farming is harder than blaming whitey for all your problems.
Too bad then that the farmers who knew about large scale operations were chased out of Zimbabwe.

>>9111166
I agree
we should put money into mass sterilization programs

>>9111809
>Sub 5% unemployment rate is considered "good", take a second to think how fucked that is
it is good
the reason why Soviet Union fell was 0% unemployment policy which lead to minimal work productivity (Why should I work hard when they can't fire me? Why should I work hard when comrade Ivan isn't working hard but we get the same money?) which led to shortages of everything

how the fuck do you even solve it? Put the 5% who can't/don't want to work into state run labor camps?

>>9112120
>thinking our helping them is taking away all of their autonomy

>not global bankers and investors buying the property out from under them to feed international supply chains
Check your privilege for real. You can see africas autonomy on the half eaten bag of chips in your cabinet

>let us waste even MORE of our money outside the country
Yeah let's please not

>>9111166
If you care about the starving children you should urge your elected representatives to get rid of the trade restrictions.

>>9112355
Topkek
Yankee-gook go home.
get Neanderthal autism out of Africa.

>>9111678
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4CGwSqrGq8
They are.
Musk can expect to find a nigger colony already on Mars

>>9111166
Sterilise Africans. They had their chance and blew it.

>>9111799
>soil there,if you can even call it that, is ass for actual farming

Fuck off cunt, they hold the majority of the world's arable land. They're just too retarded to cultivate crops on it.

>>9112519

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arable_land#Arable_land_area

In theory this is correct due to continent size, but in practice only Nigeria and a few other countries actually have high quality arable land that would be good for cultivation.

For them to achieve the "potential" of having the most arable land would require socio-political continental cooperation the world has yet to see (reminder that Colonial Europe attempted this and ultimately had WW1 because they couldn't pull it off).

>>9111166
Why people spend money on a fleet of 11 aircraft carriers with the world being mostly in peace and all the other superpower got only one or less when when they are children starving in Africa?

Why people spend money on drilling oil wells that would destroy good farming land when they are children starving in Africa?

Why people spend money on funding arts, theorical research or culture when they are children starving in Africa?

Why people spend money on having a better standard of life than the previous generation when they are children starving in Africa?

Why would people spend money on starving people in Africa when they are children starving in Africa?

>i can continue for a long time but most importantly :


Why are we wasting time on answering OP's appeal to emotion fallacy when they are children starving in Africa?

>>9111333
Replace blacks with indians and Africa would improve overnight, the problem with Africa is blacks they simply cannot create societies on par with Eurasians period.

>>9112606
Indians, or American natives? Because the majority of actual India, and Indians, is still completely fucked due to how their caste system was overexpressed and exploited by the East India Company, aka, British colonialism. Only very recently have caste boundaries begun to somewhat dissolve.

India is also a very different geography and ecology.

>>9111400
t. lazy poorfag

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>>9111166
>it's white people's responsibility to feed niggers who can't even produce their own food

>>9111166
You can spend money on multiple things you know. Its not as if you are taking money away from feeing people.

>>9111166
>literal wikipedia appeal to bigger problems fallacy
1/10 only for replying

Because some people are monsters and ignore, or even enjoy others' suffering.

>>9114217
if we just let them starve to death then there would soon be a lot less suffering desu senpai

>>9111166
Yeah for real if we just kept propping up Africa we could breed a whole new generation of einsteins that can immigrate into Europa!

>>9112557
farming isnt that hard

>>9113971
>>9113971
But they produce your food you cheecky cunt. Wheat, canola , and palm oil for international consumer supply chains. Along with massive deforestation and the replacement of traditional socio-ecological systems with worker-consumer societies. Non-human agents are the primary domestic driver of rapid industrialization, which causes overpopulation, and ecological degradation well beyond the local carrying capacity(because international markets) besides the ecological disaster that permanently imporvishes the living world, international markets do not work in Africa, trade networks collapse after famine, war, and drought with little developed infrastructure.
We should help Africa, by getting our economies greedy fingers the fuck away from Africa. Gooks go home too.

>>9111166
>spending money on space programs and exploration

Don't think we really are.

>>9114340
>hurr durr

>>9114340
The only thing we really spend money on are the latest hot memes in military hardware so we can maintain our hegemony based completely on oil production, I hope the human race dies soon. Such a waste of potential, we use our best minds and almost all our resources on subjugating dumbass dirt farmers.

>>9111166
Why are we spending money on starving African children when there is space to explore?

>>9111166
Children are starving in africa because people are sending them food

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>>9111166
>Why are we spending money on space programs and exploration when they are children starving in Africa?

because space programs are more important than starving children in Africa, obviously.

>>9111166
Because at some point there will be an extinction event on Earth, and if we spend all our time making sure morons can feed themselves instead of establishing human colonies in space/on other planets that extinction event will take the entire human race with it. Natural selection is trying to do its job but we just wont let it. The extinction event will happen, its not an if, its a when. If we let natural selection wipe out the Ethiopians, and spend our time on space travel instead, its less likely to kill off an entire race of sympathetic morons.

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>>9114558
Pssst
Hey idiot
The extinction event is what is causing the Ethiopians trouble.
Global capitalism is the problem. The poor people of Africa are at the mercy of foreign corporate-states.
Protecting Africa's ecological integrity is essential for maintaining stable earth systems, and feeding Africans,
If you think we can survive independent of earth you are incredibly naive.

Why are we spending money on starving children in africa when there are entire galaxies of starving aliens in space?

>>9114650
You think its impossible to create self sustaining habitats on Mars? Because some very smart and rich people seem to disagree with you, several billion dollars worth of disagreement actually. Why should i believe the 4chan sperg who says its impossible over the humans who are actually doing it?

>>9111245
>They all carry cell phones. In a few generations their ability to produce viable offspring will be greatly reduced
The only missing part of the plan is teaching them about the advantages of 2D waifus. Then they can join the rest of the civilized world in glorious population decline.

I wouldn't mind if NASA budget was spent on helping Africa as long as that included mandatory sterilisation for all help receivers and countries receiving aid would be subject to Western administration.

>>9111354
>Thousands lose their jobs
>out of billions
fuck off

>>9111720
Too complex for them. They have very low IQ on average.

>>9114692
Because I study ecology and they do not.
Primary production, and the boundary conditions for supporting complex live in general are currently impossible for us to create with no purposed solution. Human biology is not meant for space, we have little understanding of how to get past what low gravity does to us.
Humans are not capable of surviving without the other components in their ecosystems.
The 'smart' and rich people are just using space exploration as a false pretense to launch satellites. You're a fucking idiot. If we can't survive on earth how are we supposed to survive in space?

>>9114955
So, youre saying NASA committed billions of dollars to a manned mission to mars, and didnt think to ask some biologists about how humans would fare on the way over? Get over yourself. Yes microgravity has detrimental effects to bone density and tissue growth but we already have solutions for that. Centripetally generated false gravity is almost indistinguishable from actual gravity when applied to a proper radius.

>Humans are not capable of surviving without the other components in their ecosystems.

Ever heard of biospheres?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosphere_2#

Properly applied human ingenuity can overcome all of the obstacles you mentioned, and then some.

>if we cant survive on earth how can we survive in space?

So i suppose the tens of thousands of years (hundreds of thousands if you want to go into prehistoric evidence) weve gone without going extinct dont count as surviving on Earth? Why is it our problem that Africans cant get their shit together?

>blah blah blah human suffering

The super volcano/asteroid/plague/nuclear holocaust/AI that kills us will be a much worse humanitarian crisis than some starving children. If we have active Mars colonies at that time at least it wont be the end of our species. Natural selection doesnt care about your feelings. Nature will savagely kill anything she pleases if you arent smart enough to out wit, and out plan her. The Africans are a very small price to pay for the survival of an entire species.

>>9115008
A mission to mars is very, very different from sustaining life on mars.
>Ever heard of biospheres?
Yeah they failed, and have no prospect of succeeding in the future. learn concepts from synergetics, and complexity.
>So i suppose the tens of thousands of years (hundreds of thousands if you want to go into prehistoric evidence)
I'm very aware of our evolutionary history. The Neolithic consorsponds to an on going and ever more troublesome mass extinction event, we are at the literal end of the line. Humans have survived in Africa longer than anywhere else. The problem with Africa is it is currently being raped for all its resources by forgein economic powers, mainly the USA and china. Before that there was colonialism. in this process most traditional socio-ecological systems are replaced by an international market and unsustainable command economy that inevitably collapses. Africans are having such a hard time because they have the land bought out from under them and are forced to work a wage to supply mineral resources for your car and cell phone, and feed the supply chain for your potato chips. You ignorant dickwad.

>>9112370
Give a man a fish and he has food for a day
Give him a fishing rod and he can feed his family
Let him sell his fish on the global market and he can send his kids to college

>>9115071
That's not how it works with Negroes.

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>>9115075
When was the last time any white nation had 5% economic growth?

>>9115109
When you are rock bottom, the only way is up

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>>9115114
Denial.
Africa is the new China.

>>9115181

The entire continent of Africa has a GDP roughly equal to Australia, a country of 20 million people

>>9115181
> new China.
> colonies of European countries were called new World, new "countryname", new "cityname"
> Africa becomes Chinese colony
Yes, from this and only this perspective Africa is "new China".

>>9115109
the idea Africa can't industrialize is a complete meme but there are a gorillian factors affecting economic growth so technically that doesn't prove anything

most African countries' gdp per capita is about the same as Britain's in the 19th century however Britain was at a lower technological level and there was no giant economy on mars that could provide capital inflow the way China and others invest in Africa today

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>>9115181
>>9115109

post per capita statistics if you actually want to be relevant

there is still real growth but only on the order of 2% per year

nothing to brag about really

because all of the money you retards send to africa goes to buying them fish rather than buying them fishing poles

the poorer parts of africa are such a fucking mess that just blindly donating to africa charity #312 will do fuck all

imo we should help overthrow african governments and appoint several specialists to renew them so they don't end up the same

>muh african culture
>muh heritage
you can eat dirt sandwiches as long as you like

If the can't provide jobs and food for their own citizens, then they should stop making children.

>>9115047

>Ever heard of biospheres?
>Yeah they failed, and have no prospect of succeeding in the future. learn concepts from synergetics, and complexity.

You dont know what you are talking about. Biosphere 2 had problems with CO2 absorption due to concrete walls. This was solved and made the atmosphere much more stable.

There is no deep reason at all why closed loop ecosystems wouldnt work, as long as energy is available from the outside. It is engineering more than a science really. We know it can be done.

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>>9115279
>post per capita statistics if you actually want to be relevant
Ok

>but only on the order of 2% per year
Just like the USA

>>9115209
Add another two decades of 5+% annual growth

>>9115047
What fucking leftist brainwashing seminar did you attend? You havent refuted any of my points with any form of evidence, just feels and imaginary potatoes. I dont eat potato chips but all the potatoes i do eat come from idaho. Google searches dont even yield any evidence of your African potato conspiracy theory existing anywhere outside your own mind. Take your meds, your crazy is showing.

>>9115319

>Just like the USA

Yes, a developing country growing at similarly low rates as a highly developed countries. That is not very good.

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>>9115330
>a developing country growing at similarly low rates as a highly developed countries
Look again.

>>9115362
>taiwan
>province of china
i kek every time i see all the ways in which china wants to avoid being seen as somehow weak because taiwan isn't a part of china
Not sci i know
pls no buly

>>9115328
>you haven't refuted any of my claims.
You didn't make any claims worth refuting. All you need to do is read and understand the Wikipedia page you linked to get why your biosphere will never worked. Do you not get that a maned mission to mars is an entirely different thing than sustaining extraterrestrial life?
>>9115328

>dont eat potato chips but all the potatoes i do eat come from idaho.
I'm talking about palm and canola oil you dink. Along with much more not mentioned, which isnt just exploited from Africa, look at everything called "the developing world". Have you even heard of the world bank or foreign direct investment? You are pathetically unaware of how the global economy works and what the externalities are.
I am mentally unstable, it's because I have to deal with ignorant assholes like you in the face of existential terror.

>>9115298
>just co2 absorption
This is not true.
Why are you so anxious to have people live there entire lives in a place that is worse than any prison imaginable?

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>>9115813
>I'm talking about palm and canola oil you dink.
>canola oil
>canola
>Canadian Oil Low Acid
>Canada
>developing world

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canola#Production_and_trade

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>>9115820
Canola oil was just an arbitrary example I used from potato chips. Don't forget about rape which I also think of when mentioning canola, still not a relatively huge deal. Industrial agriculture for the global market in general is the problem
The big offenders are cotton, wheat, corn, aswell as the lumber trade and international fisheries. This excludes raw mineral extraction, and factory production. Labor and land rights violations all over the place.

>>9115820
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crop_diversity

>>9115813
>Do you not get that a maned(lol) mission to mars is an entirely different thing than sustaining extraterrestrial life?

Is it though? You might want to look up the definition of "extraterrestrial" there champ. You also admitted to being mentally ill. Way to make yourself somehow look even more incompetent than you are. Thats no small feat. I mean, have you read your previous posts? Shit son.

>>9115840
>is it though
Yes. Of course living on mars independent of external inputs is much different from simply traveling to mars. How do you not understand this?
>look up the definition of 'extraterrestrial'
Fuck off dickwad. You know what I meant. Pragmatics a shit.
>Way to make yourself somehow look even more incompetent than you are. Thats no small feat. I mean, have you read your previous posts? Shit son.
This is not an argument. My mental Illness does not impair my ability to reason with facts.

>>9115008
>>blah blah blah human suffering
I never even mentioned anything like this, try again.
>The super volcano/asteroid/plague/nuclear holocaust/AI that kills us will be a much worse humanitarian crisis
Do you really think this is a more immenant threat than biodiversity loss and shifting baselines? This is like being worried about getting a parking ticket while being pulled over drunk driving.
>Natural selection doesnt care about your feelings. Nature will savagely kill anything she pleases if you arent smart enough to out wit, and out plan her.
Im telling you this as an actual evolutionist, you're a retard that has no idea what you are talking about.
>So i suppose the tens of thousands of years (hundreds of thousands if you want to go into prehistoric evidence) weve gone without going extinct dont count as surviving on Earth?
>well we made it this far
Anon says while driving off the road.

I made a mistake when I disregarded the last bit of your post earlier. You are not worth any of my time.

>>9111166
Why are Africans making more children... better question.

>>9111166
You can't fix black. Didn't we already cancel part of the US space program to pay for gibs for our kangz?

>>9111231

KAAAAANNNGZZZZ NIGGGAAAAAA

Mine the moon for cheese

they need a hand up, not a hand out

>>9111166
Why don't the children eat each other?

>Implying having them not die of hunger would solve anything.

>>9111191
0.01$ have been added to your account.

>>9115858
>You are not worth any of my time
I came to the same conclusion about you yesterday. I just want to touch on one thing.
>do you really think the end of the world is a more immanent threat
No. But getting self sustaining humans on Mars will be a very slow process. If we miss the deadline to save the species by a few weeks i will personally fly to Africa and kill all the niggers i can with a flamethrower with the little time i have left.

>>9111166
Giving them money has only made the problem worse.
I see 3 options to choose from if you truly wish to help the Africans: cease all contact and money flow, go back to apartheid or strerilize 90% of them.

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There are plenty of reasons why sub saharan africans cannot establish agriculture, here's one of them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsetse_fly

The disease it spreads, African Trypanosomiasis makes animal husbandry and mixed farming impossible in most of subsaharan Africa. There have been efforts to eradicate the tsetse fly, but most governments in the region are too unstable to try to eradicate it and the mosquito due to civil unrest from the effects of African Trypanosomiasis and yellow fever/malaria and it becomes a vicious cycle. Only government that actually has eradicated it successfully is Zanzibar in the 1990s.

>>9111191
no matter how the Earth be destroyed by global warming or whatever, it still would be more suitable for us to live than any other planet we can reach

>>9111166
Just exterminate them and replace them with europeans.

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>starving people
>people

>>9111301
This right here, motherfuckers. We send tons of money, food, medicine to Africa and it ultimately never gets to the people it should because of so many corrupt governments there. We're doing our part.

>>9116732
>if you truly wish to help the Africans

>cease all contact and money flow
>go back to apartheid
>or strerilize 90% of them.

None of those are helpful. Your "choices" are:
>stop helping them altogether
>go back to oppressing them
>sterilization (ok, maybe this one is helping)

In reality, our best chance here is cultural hegemony.
More civilized nations have populations that only grow due to immigration.
The more Africans adopt our culture, technology and political/economic model, the sooner we get them past the exact same population growth phase we went through ourselves.

>>9111166
Because starving Africans are a problem that will eventually solve itself

>>9111166
I'd happily donate money to Africa if part of it was a mass sterilization program that would bring Africa's population to manageable levels. Or just re-colonization. Otherwise we're just feeding impeding catastrophe where billions, and not millions, will suffer.

>>9111195
>>>/sci/

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>>9112236
The only correct answer

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>>9115109
When was the last time you read basic economics? The Solow model suggests poorer countries grow faster in terms of GDP. The problem resides in the absolute level of development and wealth distribution, and guess what that is precisely the reason why you eat you bio natural yogurt with granola in your BLM van in L.A. while rats eat people with AIDS in slums in Somalia

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>>9111166 >>9118396
Dany's nigger slaves & Browns think in only short term Joy(lazy in evergreen jungle or grass lands)
We on the North of Westeros think in Long term (preparing for the long winter)
We on the North are also unlike the lazy people from South Westeros & Braavos.
Lazy Italians from the south betrayed Germany twice in World Wars.
Winter is coming.

>>9118642
Elon musk faggots are the worst

>>9111166

Because starving children aren't exactly return on investment...

nice dubs

because space flight and research provide valuable goods and services to the people of the planet

Africans do now

>9114834
Those thousands have families. Make it 2-3 per employee.
Now, those thousands live on a common place, if the people living on that place dont spend/buy/sell goods or services, local economy goes down.

Well why continue advancing in any field of technology at all when all that money spent on research and prototypes can be better spent on starving children who will produce more starving children later on.

>>9114249
hard enough for these half-apes. How many years have we given them?

>>9111111

Great respect for the people who choose to help Africa (e.g. Bill Gates). Respect too for people who choose to do other things. Freedom is freedom to choose what you wanna do.

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>>9111166
If a child in Africa is starving that means their parents are not feeding it. Why should others take up the role of parent to these kids? Feeding the kids will only incentivize the parents to have MORE children.

>>9111166
Why don't you send all your money to Africa while thousands of people is starving?
It's a nonsense question.
In space missions there are experiments on new medical instruments and solutions; these solutions could be applied on starving niggers too.
And come on, that is our money, why should we send our money to "people" who can't control the economy without guns, wars and illegal commerce?
It's impossible even teach them to harvest properly: they're lazy as fuck and can't understand that in the fields there's a lot of work everyday.
They deserve starvation.
And fuck it, they will never even thank us.

hey, future of mankind bro
S P A C E P R O G R A M

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Stop living in the 90's. There aren't famines in Africa anymore.

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>>9115283
But would it be cheaper/worth it in the long run? I believe that the yearly total financial aid that Africa receives(not counting admin costs) is around $60 billion USD or so. The costs of military intervention would probably run into the trillions.

That's pretty steep, and there's no guarantee that it would work well, especially because a bunch of fuckwits would get butthurt and call it slavery or neo-colonialism or some bullshit.

>>9115283
>>9120793

I do agree with you though, setting up new governments and removing the power of the warlords would be the best way to fix it. But it has potential to turn into a situation like what happened in the Middle East.

>>9111809
>Sub 5% unemployment rate is considered "good"
But it actually is you retard. It's called structural unemployment and is a sign of a growing economy.
>"Waaah I build telegram machines and I should be paid to do so in the year 2017!"

>muh 5% unemployment rate
http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/unemployment-charts

>>9111166
US state foreign aid to africa is roughly equal to what is spent on NASA. One of them is more fruitful than the other.

>>9120936
>US state foreign aid
hahaha, yeah, "aid"... you clearly have no idea what "aid" means in the context of geopolitics

>>9111304
>elect dictators
Ah so that's how it works

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>>9120979
>Africa elect dictators
Nazi Germany did the same though, since Hitler took the power by winning an election.

>>9111166
not my friggin kids

Space is more important than Africa
More interesting at least

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>>9111720
>>9111733
>>9111761
>>9114861
>>9111975

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>>9111277
>>9111291
>>9111304
>>9111745
>>9111792
>>9111816

>>9111166

1) not my kids
2) if not for technologies that came from space programs even more would starve

now gtfo and go back to /leftypol/.

>>9120495
Nice misinformation my man, there are shitloads of people doing subsistence farming and with all the droughts and shit farmland, yields are usually barely reaching subsistence at best

t. Actual African who has family in Kenya, some of whom that farm

>>9118704
Lrn2lore you pleb, the south have barely any winters and braavos doesn't even have a winter to speak of, your post is so wrong as well as being utter cringe

>>9111166
Space research has had a quantifiable benefit for parts of Africa, in that satellite research and deployment has enabled wireless communication that facilitates many aspects of modern African life, including the tracking of wildlife and crops for conservation and agriculture, and mobile payment systems that allow for both remote transactions and microloans.

It would be better to redirect some of the money spent on energy exploration and military deployments to infrastructure improvements and a New Deal-type program that worked directly with individuals to provide capital and spur innovation, if you wanted to help end world hunger.

>>9122228
Firstly, if what you were saying was correct, it would confirm his point, not refute it.
Secondly, you're wrong. Ice is described as forming on the braavosi canals.
Thirdly, >>9118704
>>>/tv/

>>9121399
>>9121399
>more interesting
It's literally devoid of life. Go fap to your wafiu you sad fuck

We aren't focusing on space programs or exploration. Where did you get that idea?

>>9111166
Because scientists are racists.

>>9114354
The United States spends so much on defense because of the Cold War. We basically told all our allies that we'll be the big man in charge, and that everyone gets to trade with everyone, courtesy of the US Navy keeping all shipping lanes open. This was originally to compete with the USSR, but after 1991, it's basically been coasting as status quo. Pretty nice though, no major wars on the scale of Europe's during this whole time.

Also, US interest in the ME will probably be slowly drying up since we now have the shale industry, and Israel has something similar (giving it better ties to its neighbors and greater economic security).

>>9115319
>Add another two decades of 5+% annual growth
Right, because that's how economics work. Japan has the highest GDP in the world right? Just look at their insane growth in the 60s.

>>9112560
Wrong falacy. It's fallacy of relative privation

>>9122356
No, it would refute it because he's going by one metric to determine who is lazy and who is not (preparing for winter), but this is an invalid metric when the other people's don't even have that stimulus

>huge body of water getting very cold = winter
Rly made me tnk

We constantly supply them with clean food and water, have dedicated billions towards changing infrastructure among more rural nations, and have done everything we could in preventing more civil wars without it being considered a war crime. And they are still starving.

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>>9111166
Because the world is run by jews

>>9122151
I have no idea what any of this means.

>>9111166
I think vice versa my dude

>>9111166
Because Africa is full of retards who can't into society and agriculture

>>9111111

>>9122629
He's saying they don't have any winter to prepare for, therefore they are lazy, whereas the northerners are forced to be proactive in preparing.
Also, why do you think everyone doesn't just catch a boat to Essos to escape winter? There are several indications from characters in Essos that winter is approaching there too. Of course there's no line that says "Its winter in Essos too, guys", but GRRM indicates several times that winter affects the entire world, including by describing ice on the canals. Otherwise the Long Night isn't much of an apocalypse.

>>9111245
We need to level the playing field by air dropping porn and video games. Soon africa will have a <2 birthrate like the rest of us.

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niggers aren't humans anyway.. so.

>>9122151

>Everywhere except for the European colonies is infertile!

Hahah.

Sure thing, pal.

>>9111166
Why aren't you spending all of your money that doesn't cover your basic physiological needs on starving children in Africa?

Lel, Africa is literally shit because anytime an Africa is coming up another country needs to shit on the fun.

Gadaffi was goat, would def move to Africa and contribute if it had a central government. Sending aid in its current state is folly.

A United Africa would literally solve most of its issues quickly. Imagine that shit nigger.

>Gold standard
>All those resources
>More funding for education
>Saharan space program
>Can function on its own without much trading
>United African Military would be one of the largest Armies
>Pan African high speed rails

>>9124090
Or maybe its just that Africa has large barriers to the diffusion of farming (namely the big fucking deserts in the middle) which originated in the Fertile Crescent due to the large quantity and diversity of large grain cereals, but could not spread to the more fertile areas of southern Africa without naval travel. By contrast, Eurasia has no such all-encompassing barriers due to its east-west axis, allowing for latitudinal diffusion across the continent, generating more successful societies. (In addition to the large diversity of beasts of burden and domesticable species)

Or maybe its just that niggers are dumb, who knows?

>>9123104
Land bad for farm. Bad for farm means bad for food. I hope that's clearer for you, anon.

>>9123987
But he's still wrong, because the south is full of schemers and plotters, which is far more long term than preparing for the winter.
The white supremacist walkers were designed to get rid of the invaders in westeros so it wouldn't be surprising if they only stayed in westeros. Though now they have a dragon, it would be a bit surprising

>>9124148
>he's still wrong
I agree
>The white supremacist walkers were designed to get rid of the invaders in westeros
AFAIK, this was only in the show? I don't know, I could be wrong

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>>9111166 >>9120987
Some Niggers don't have the minimum iq to read
https://youtu.be/bFtcLJVN8yg

>>9124345
Gurm will die before he even gets the next book out so the show is canon now

>>9124011
or we could drop atomic bombs. that would REALLY lower the birthrate.

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>>9124011
botswana has a birth rate of 2.5 and dropping
http://botswana.opendataforafrica.org/gysrep/botswana-demographic-trends

it can be done, in theory
>>9124618
i think we need to lower the conservative birth rate?
everybody talks about africans, but at least those look different so we can identify them
>inb4 conservatives are actually smarter
not really
higher birth rate, higher crime, higher religiosity/tribalism, lower education rates, lower IQ

liberals are being genocided under our noses and the future belongs to /pol/ and niggers - you win

>>9111166
why aren't we depleting the available resources in the United States then actively importing all of the current inhabitants of Africa while simultaneously moving all United States Americans into Africa so we can continue colonization and tap into the currently untapped potential that is Africa?

#UnitedStatesofAfrica

>>9111166
Because starving people in africa don't matter.

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>>9124723
#blacks_lives_don't_matter

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>>9111166
There are going to be A LOT of starving Africans in the future

>>9124894
Inevitably.
But for some reason the Feminist Left
wanna turn White Kids & Youth into Castrated Gay Eunuchs. While keeping Black Population explode & multiply out of control.

>>9124894
No. Once Africa is at about 5 times our population and the jews... I mean the "UN" settles stable governments in the region then all Africa has to do is just fuck us all up. With 5 times as many warriors they can crush Europe and take all the wealth.

Whitey will be starving.

>>9124689
>tfw to smart too reproduce

>>9124900
I see all these dumb posts with every other word capitalised on this board and I think they're from the same person. If so, you're retarded dude and you're worryingly disconnected from reality; you've reduced society and it's groups into monolithic caricatures and it's sad.

>>9124903
Refusing to help solve Africa's problems is playing into Jewish neoliberal hands that gain from a huge influx of workers to devalue labour at best , or a giant army at worst

>>9111166

Because African warlords are too busy using donated money on weapons instead of agricultural development on the land they kill each other for.

>>9125148
You gave your religion away with this post. Maybe this time take some responsibility or not and keep reliving the past over and over and over again lol

>>9111333
The west should just pull all the way out of Africa and let them live their subsistence lives in peace

We have no business there and they don't need, nor deserve, nor are they able to make use of, our help

>>9111761
>picking cotton every day makes you a cotton farmer

>>9111975
>farming is harder than blaming whitey for all your problems.

Also harder than running down a row of plants and picking stuff off of them.
Farming isn't monkey-see-monkey-do. They have schools for that shit.

>>9125631
Really? What religion do you think i follow?

>>9124903
No, Africn nations has insanely inept militaries and lack any weapons. North Korea is centuries more advanced than any afro nation. The scariest thing that can happen is if France or the US become black majority because they do hold nuclear weapons. The US is on the safe side because blacks are predicted to go down percentage wise while the only growing group are latinos (which lets be real here, are MUCH better than nogs in running a nation). France though, that is a scary situation, because they not only get blacks but muslims, which both groups breed like crazy. France is fucked.

>>9111166
The better question would be, why are we not solving world hunger while we still have the resources to do it AND also go to space?

>>9111166
africa is the worlds smallest violin

>>9126052
extreme conservatives breed like rats too>>9124689

>>9111166
Niggers should get to work instead of fighting civil wars because the Jews told them to get free from the ebil European opressor.

>>9126136
extreme conservatives tend to use their numbers to start farms and factories
Muslims tend to use theirs to plant nail bombs in concerts full of children

>>9111166
Because the whole human race, is more important than a part of the human race.

>>9122167
Are you really using that as a counter-argument ?

If anything, it just shows that even with good living conditions, they still shit out babies.

Only areas with whiteys are impacted.

>>9127039
>extreme conservatives tend to use their numbers to start farms and factories
Don't forget the part where they violently repress and murder everyone that disagrees with them the first time they are put in a position of authority.

>>9126240
>because the Jews
Don't you mean western governments giving repressive regimes and paramilitaries weapons in exchange for their capital (raw mineral resources, lumber, labor, land).
Fuck you.

>>9127059
You're retarded, apart from 2 regions fertility rates drop, likely due to better conditions since the same thing (both fertility rates down and material conditions up) in India. Yes, the white impacted areas dropped most, probably because living conditions improved faster and to better conditions, likely due to the generally better farmland and importation of successful ideas and designs. Stop being an obtuse, incorrect pleb

>>9118778
t. somali

>>9111166
If we can get the juicy nuclear fuel on any other planet it will pay those kids back 10 fold.

>>9111166

Who wants to help the enemy? you know those blacks will assassinate you and gang rape you right? if you feed them they will be 7 foot tall musclebond apemen. besides, there is much more blacks than whites globally speaking.

>>9122167

DO NOT HELP AFRICA EVER YOU GODDAMN IDIOTS, fuck, start death squads in Africa instead.

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>>9111166
>Why are we spending money on space programs and exploration when they are children starving in Africa?
Why are we spending money on children starving in Africa when we should spend on space programs and exploration ?

>>9111166
Kill all Africans then you'll don't have to spend money on Africa anymore

>>9128221
>besides, there is much more blacks than whites globally speaking.
depends how you define white actually
if you mean racially and you include armenians, assyrians, turks, persians and the like - then absolutely not
but even without the middle east, your statement is false
africa is over a billion people(some of which are in north africa, mostly white actually), while white people are majorities on most of earth's continents

in terms of ancestry, without question there's more white ancestry in the world than black ancestry
that will change when or if africa reaches 3 billion in 2100, and even before that

>>9122167
nice

saved

>>9128224
How about just contraceptives and sterilisation? No need for death squads anon
>>9128352
It's all yours friend

>>9124141
Jared Diamond please leave. Your racist theories are long-debunked and nonsensical.

>>9124129
>Collapses in 5 years due to tribal infighting

>>9124145
that just means there shouldn't be so many nigs, we should help them kill themselves

>>9128571
More like
>Collapses in 4 months due to 30+ languages, a figurative rainbow of biomes (literally only missing snow), dozens of varied cultures and plentiful rough histories and numerous past genocides to make others hate each other, constant pressure from Europeans to profit at the expense of other Africans, plus the UN doing literally nothing to stop wealthy traders from keeping the economy nice and vulnerable so as to maximize potential susceptibility to exploitation

There's no way the entire world would just let Africa band together. Beyond the litany of difficulties just getting it together in the most ideal circumstances, there are way too many ways for scumbags to profit from the ruined mess that Africa currently is. Gun runners and other arms dealers get a perfect testing ground where nobody can say no, drug dealers and manufacturers have multiple lawless areas that'll produce or protect whatever assets you need as long as they get more guns/capital/other drugs, literal child slavery means certain things can get produced at China-tier speeds and prices, and most of all, a United Africa means a nation that can potentially industrialize, and the growth of a nation that large would rapidly start to become another superpower that other countries would have to monitor, control, and potentially go to war with. The blasted hellscape of an Africa that we know is easier to maintain than the potential African Continent-Country that could potentially be.

Honestly, can you imagine KANGZ actually forming an Empire from the African leadership? Remove all of the warlords and dictators and you almost have something resembling Clapistan, only significantly lower in technological, academic, and infrastructural quality. Fix those and it quickly blossoms.

>>9129359
>I just want to find any excuse to kill black people : the post

It's a fake "We" while "Space" and "Africa" are generalizations.
The sentence is meaningless and you are a smart fool.
Just do meaningfull stuff.

>>9129705
no continent should have more people than it can feed

>>9129978
Backwards countries will continue to have more people then they can feed because parents need lots of children to work and also high infant mortal rates
Only by improving living conditions and introducing contraceptives and sterilisation will Africa's population fall below carrying capacity

>>9129991
that's their own job
I wish them luck

>>9130023
>these people's farmland is shit and the only way for them to sustain themselves is have shitloads of children
>but I think they're going to going to fall below carrying capacity themselves with no assistance

>>9111166
>Why are we spending money on space programs and exploration when they are children starving in Africa?

Because we want to do things other than feed billions of starving Africans until the end of time.

Why are you even posting on the internet?

Why aren't you in africa right now working your ass off to feed them?

You hypocrite.

Africans haven't provided usefulness to society since the 1700's. Well for Europeans, they still provide usefulness to Muslims and other Africans.

>>9130051
if they can't then they can't, it's not anyone else's responsibility

>>9130217
Neither has 99% of the white population, let alone losers that shitpost on 4chan all day.

>>9130503
their genes have ;)

>>9130085

>this clueless

lol

>>9130511
No, they haven't. That's just an excuse for lazy NEETs to take credit for other people's work. Being white doesn't make you special. Most of /pol/ is just bitter because they are morons and losers.

>>9130494
>unironically being a laissez faire pleb
How embarrassing, you're wilfully letting a shitload of trade partners go unused

>>9130518
>Being white doesn't make you special.
lmao

>>9111166
Because it's fucking Africa.

>>9111166
Because we want to launch Africa into space.

>>9111166
Without our Help Africa would be a much worse shit hole (more poor & violent)
Blacks are uncivilized animals that can't survive without our Help.
Liberals love to defend animal rights.

>>9111166
Are you guys really that stupid that African kids are starving? If that were really true, African kids couldn't last more then a few weeks before starving to death. They couldn't make it past the first four months of their lives. They couldn't make it past 4 years old.

agreed op we need to annihilate 98% of the population of africa ASAP

>>9115445
You think that China can't erase taiwan from the earth? They want it in this way, to much political and social problems to deal with.

>>9111166
Because starving n****** aren't my problem.

(That word is "numptys". Or perhaps it's something else.)

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>>9132166
>Blacks are uncivilized animals that can't survive without our Help.

"Gauls, Britons and Saxons are uncivilized animals that can't survive without our help." - Julius Caesar

>>9133266
THEREFOR WE SHOULD GIVE NIGGERS OUR STUFF!!!!

>>9133267

If you mean the blessings of civilization and technology, I'm all for that...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ5j6tWPNOg

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>>9111166

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>>9111166
We need a mass global die off, one that will affect us all. Congress doesn't care about the American people or its space program, our president is currently a madman with dementia and next in line is the antiscience Christ fag.

Fuck Africa Fuck India, China the entire middle east south Korea Japan and the rest of the world.

Innovation creativity and everything good In the world has been dead for the past 50 years just kill us all already

/pol/ logic:

If we just keep raiding /sci/ we will change the nature of reality itself!

>>9111245
>Believing that microwave radiation is ionizing

>>9126052
America had a black commander in chief.

He wasn't bad.

>>9130511
>Their genes have provided usefulness to society

>>9133266
Britons and Gauls are.
Saxons are god tier we are up there with ashkenazis and singapore chinks if not higher, look at all the inventions and discoveries that were found and created by us.
>cough cough Isaac Newton