Who /1st in family/ to college & STEM her?

/sci/ is 100% shitposts, don't take it too seriously
Also prestige is a meme, other than daddy's connections it doesn't offer much. Employers look for research experience, GPA, projects not what coat of arms is on your diploma
t. researcher who climbed up to talent acquisition team

>>9084761
Thank you

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>come from poor single parent family
>Apply to state school, plan on taking some student loans to finance my engineering degree
>Mother wants me to apply to xyz private uni
>Get into both, like state school better so planning on attending until I get a letter in the mail from private uni
>"Hey here's this truly massive scholarship, enjoy your full ride"
>going to shit school for free
feels good man
now I need to start doing research

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>>9084756
>>9084768
>come from poor family


>using your poor background as a badge of honor

>>9084774
Because poor kids like myself went to high schools that barely offered AP courses, no ECs,etc. no one in my family knew about colleges and I didn't either. I don't think it was even expected of me to go to one. I like math so wanted to go

>>9084782

Congrats, you got lucky where a million others didn't.

If you're stlll going to wear it like a badge of honor that it was all somehow your effort, then you're just showing how low your self esteem really is.

>>9084756
Do not feel discouraged by the circle jerking here. It is not about the degree, it is about what you do with it.

If you go to your shit school, excel at it and then eventually become the head of your department then that makes you 100 times more succesful than some schmuck who went to a top 10 and never even got tenure because of the competition.

As a wise man once said: It isn't worth swallowing all that semen.

>>9084796
>>9084803
Good points. Thank you. Makes me feel better.

>>9084803

This.

It doesn't really matter what college you go through as long as your luck is good and you are satisfied with your life.

>>9084796
Nobody said luck wasn't a major element, I seriously lucked out. I do think it was something I overcame though, there's a big difference between
>come from poor single parent family
and
>come from wealthy family capable of giving academic and extracurricular support
I don't really wear it as a badge of honor, but it isn't irrelevant.

>>9084825
Luck has given you the good genes and neural connections to not make you a brainlet, a fate that many poorfags are destined to.

I guess you can consider yourself special in that aspect.

>>9084810
I dunno, I think it's worth something, but as the other anons say, don't hung up on it. That's coming from someone who struggles with ADHD and doing a phd, I'd rather be proud that I managed to get this far in spite of ADHD rather than hiding it (as if...) altogether.

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>>9084756
iktf
>only one in family of 6 that cares about academics
>100% alone in my studies
>have to struggle with family issues all the time
>m-muh $300k/yr s-soon, right?

>>9084828
This is true and something I've never read considered. I've always beaten myself up for coming from a poor family. Your comments really made me think.

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>>9084756
>come from some backwards ass ghetto
>dad's a bigot that left me and my Mom
>Mom has to work like 20 hours a day
>me and my Brother go to some black school where the best student doesn't even make it to college
>decides to study hard in hopes of somehow becoming a good physician one day
>get a full ride scholarship to Yale because am poorfag
>applies to Michigan state Med school
>yooooooo wtf I got it
>Fuck I hate my school
>apply to Johns Hopkins Med School, let's give it a shot
>fuckin juked dumbass interviewer with mah """"""love"""""""" of classical music
>Kek, made it in
For a good part of my life, I was paid good money to cut little children's heads open, feels good man.

>come from poor family
>parents are divorced drug addict gen Xers that straightened out about when I went to high school
>Apply to state school
>nearly done with bachelor's
Feels good. Here's to getting into a good grad school.

I made a promise to myself that I'd make sure that my kids won't live in a trailer, and that's pretty much my only goal so far. Not sure what I actually want to do with my degree. I love research, but know that usually isn't fiscally the best route.

>Black
>poor
>first to go uni

>tfw make use of all the things pol hates like affirmative action.

>>9084980
ez mode

>>9084796
lol this guy is so mad

wonder what failure of his put that stick up his ass

>>9085163
Allow me to get his life:

>White
>Upper middle class
>Parents are both college educated, probably PhDs
>Sent him to gifted schools
>Sent him to competitions like spelling bees or mathematical Olympiads
>He never won anything
>Still get scholarships because of connections
>Do undergrad. Underachieve compared to his peers
>Not accepted for grad school
>Now working shit job earning less than his parents, unlike OP who outdid his parents
>Now salty at life

>>9084756

Hey Anon, I walked into a similar situation in the same shoes as you; no one in my family went to university, strength in school, entering university decisions were made from advice of others and not myself because I didn't develop the thinking and planning that goes into choosing a university and program since my family infrequently talked about it with little detail. What'd you learn? The truth of YOUR reality, coming from YOUR family, coming from your decisions. It's bitter but you will for sure learn something from this shit experience.

>be me
>be son of laborer and secretary in small rural town
>score high on tests
>go to nearby shit uni for CS
>get shit tier undergrad grades but do undergrad shit for prof
>get accepted to MS program under same prof
d-do I stand a chance of getting into a PhD at a good school if I get decent publications and high GRE scores even with a shit gpa?
can i /make it/?

>>9085248
Yes
PhD programs only care about your potential to do research. If you have excellent grades and show research potential (in masters that typically means doing research) then you can get into a good PhD program. It's not THAT unusual to do it like this but be aware that you will be held to a fairly high standard - that of a blossoming young researcher

>>9084756
Im a plasterer who's just really into science. I was also smart enough to avoid college

>>9084756
First in my immediate family to finish college, much less graduate with a Ph.D.

>>9085278
Congrats anon, these are my aspirations as well.

(OP here).

>>9085310
Good luck. The Ph.D. is a seriously challenging undertaking that most, if not all, of your family will not understand or truly appreciate.

>>9084768
congrats anon!

make sure to do internships from year 1 though, or the degree is near worthless

I'm not kidding start looking immediately for internships

>poor fag
>made it too cc
Family is still proud regardless
Idk how to feel my dudes

>>9085357
>made it to cc
Don't community colleges take literally anybody?

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>be poor
>join the military for welfare queen boys club adventures
>spend 4 years fucking off, traveling the world, and drinking beer
>get out
>between GI bill living stipend, scholarships, and grants, i clear 40k a year sitting on ass smoking weed and reading books in my hipster city apartment
>don't really do amazing in school but still have employers sucking my nuts cuz veteran
>making 120k a year in a comfy, low stress engineering job

like fuck dude, i didn't even try and made it to upper middle class.

>>9085163
>>9085181
I think you're misunderstanding what he's saying.
>that it was all somehow your effort, then you're just showing how low your self esteem really is
i.e. your success wasn't just off the back of hard work and effort, it was off of some luck, in that you have intellectual talent.


>>9085355
>make sure to do internships from year 1 though, or the degree is near worthless
well shit
I'm rising into sophomore year, and didn't have an internship this year. I did have a STEM internship senior year of high school, so that may make up for it a bit, but I will absolutely have a summer internship for sophomore year.

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>>9084756

> Be a poor as fuck south american
> Both parents only have a highschool diploma
> Shitty family
> My house is always a caos (parents and brothers fighting and screaming every single day), so studying is always stressful as fuck.
> Still managing to have really good grades in my Mechanical Engineering degree (Engineering degrees are usually considered bachelor + master in other countries, since it takes 5 years and over 60 classes to get one eng degree here).
> All my classmates are rich dudes with incredible and calm families, most even can afford to live alone (Their parents pay for everything, obviously)
> I fucking hate myself and my fucking shitty family, and envy most of my classmates.


Anyone knows this feel?

>>9085987
Come on dude, you're getting a valuable degree and doing well. Be thankful for that.

>>9084756
What state school is it?

>>9085355
what are some possible internships for math students?

>>9085108
I wouldn't say it's easy mode. I'm going to get shat on here but I still want to say it. Affirmative action isn't about removing opportunity from white people, but rather to give opportunity to the statistical outliers.

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>>9084756
>4th generation college graduate
>dick around for 6 years and finally finish
>getting my masters soon

Feels good to be privileged and debt free. What's it like being an Ameripoor OP?

>>9084756
For Math undergrad where you go doesn't matter much. If it were something like computer science where professors are in short supply and curricula vary wildly from one uni to the next then it would matter.

>>9086537
Affirmative action just lets underqualified people into universities where they won't succeed. The black drop-out rate at my uni is insane, especially in freshman year. Black kids consistently perform worse, even given significantly more assistance (financial aid, racial-minority only tutoring services paid for by the uni, etc.)
Sure, some are prepared and can succeed, but I'm guessing under half of admitted African American applicants are.
Of course, that's my affirmative action experience at my uni.

>>9086564
OP here,

The problem I've come across is other math majors taken Real Analysis I-II, Abstract Algebra, Linear Algebra, Calculus I-III etc. before enrolling in university. My community didn't offer enrollment into 4-year college (early) to take such courses because the only school nearby was a community college that didn't offer advance math classes.

These people enter college with junior-senior level status and begin taking graduate level courses early. I took Calculus I my freshman year and Calculus III around sophomore year and while I am taking proofs based courses end of my sophomore year they are already taking Algebraic Topology end of their sophomore year. This feels defeating.

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>>9084761
>prestige is a meme
Yes and no. A lot of employers don't consider a new candidate based on the school they went to, true, but the schools with a lot of prestige also tend to have more opportunities for professional development. The research expertise, apprenticeships, and projects are naturally more plentiful at a place where companies are literally lined up at the door.

Once every few career fairs over at Georgia Tech, there's some company representative being escorted off campus because they set up a stall outside the career fair because their company couldn't get a slot. They really are clawing for the students at the prestigious places.

That's not to say that everyone takes advantage of it, though. If you and someone from a prestigious school both graduate the same major with no professional development, then you both have roughly the same professional opportunities outside of college.

>>9087286
Similar is true with NC State's career fair. It's larger than UNCs and Dukes. Lots of employers are fighting to hire NC State grads

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>>9087193
You're one of the niggers in my school.

>>9084756
as someone else said prestige is a complete meme, but even if it wasnt no one gives a shit about your undergrad bc its a glorified day care program. Its quite common to do your undergrad in bumfuck nowhere and then go to a legit school for graduate work
t. canadian who got undergrad from good school(u waterloo) and then did a phd in america

>>9087193
What are you complaining? Do you know why you overpay university in the US? To pay for their free tutors and even free rides.

Would you rather have all the extra money you pay be pocketed by some administrator? No, right? Then be happy that at least your money is used to help people in need get the education they deserve. Don't be an asshole.

>>9087362
epic

>>9086537
Nice meme. 99% of the time affirmative action benefactors (most of which are white women lol) are chosen over a smarter white/Asian. Affirmative action is objectively easy mode bro. If I was black with my qualifications I could have transferred to Princeton by now. But since I'm a white male, I'll spend the rest of my undergrad career working my dick off to even compete.

>>9087378
Nice bull shit argument. Also, he has a right to be mad by your "argument" if he's paying for the system to socially experiment with the undesirables - I mean, "'minorities" of the community.

>>9087396
Well, if you are angry about overpaying then complain with your politicians to lower tuition. You should know that if universities didn't have all that extra money they couldn't even afford affirmative action.

But I say that while they have all that extra money they should at least use it to help people by giving them a shot at an opportunity they would otherwise never get.

>>9087378
It's injustice to bias admissions by race instead of class.
The rich underachiever black kid is viewed much more favorably in the college admissions process over the poor white kid in a town of heroin addicts, despite having many advantages over them.
I don't pay shit for my college education, I got a free ride. I have no chip in the game. It's just bullshit that this group of people is arbitrarily advantaged in the admissions and financial aid process. That money people are paying into the system should go to services rendered based on merit or need, not skin color. If you want to control for background, there are better ways of doing it over preferentially viewing minorities' applications over skin color.
A class-based system would disproportionately target minorities because they have lower incomes on average, but wouldn't exclude an entire class of people fucked for reasons OTHER than their skin color.
Aid money is being squandered by admitting people who are underqualified who don't get a degree.

>people in need get the education they DESERVE
Nobody DESERVES post-secondary education.

>>9087496
I do not approve that the people who get help are a specific race but again, that is something you need to talk to your politicians about.

Meanwhile it is better that they at least help someone. And you saying that no one deserves post-secondary education shows your tiny brain is stuck in the 19th century. Welcome to the 21st century faggot, college is a necessity not a luxury. Most developed countries give it for free because they accept this but the US is just so filled with corruption that it has lagged behind.

>>9084849

you better a second promise that says I will never let my kids meet my parents

>>9084980

pls post this on /pol/

>>9085987
>> My house is always a caos (parents and brothers fighting and screaming every single day), so studying is always stressful as fuck.
Can't you just go to the backyard and sit on a bench?

>>9087540
>you saying that no one deserves post-secondary education shows your tiny brain is stuck in the 19th century. Welcome to the 21st century faggot, college is a necessity not a luxury
so the brainlets that are destined to be the janitors and burger-flippers and garbage truck drivers of the world need degrees now?
Sounds incredibly wasteful.

Dude, listen to me.

It doesn't fucking matter. Especially for math.

I'm at a very good school and 75% of my colleges are from low prestige or even completely unknown schools.

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>>9084756
>severe depression when younger
>drop out
>hurrr durrr you're not smart enough for a levels
>go back a bit later and get A*A*A*A* (for burger reference the average at oxbridge is slighlty below A*A*A*A)
>could never apply due to old shit grades due to depression
>go to good but not great uni
>hearing anything about uni applications triggers me to this day

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>>9084756
I'm the first STEM in the family, most of whom never even went to college and know nothing of truth. The best part is how they all berate me for concentrating on my studies instead of enthusiastically slaving away at some dead end minimum wage job working the assembly line like they all did. As soon as I graduate, I'm leaving the state and cutting off all contact with these cretinous troglodytes.

>>9087496

>m..muh injustice

Reminder that you live and actively support a fucking debt based economy.

You and everyone else sacrificed your right to bitch about shit like this. What's even more ironic is that you fuckers complain about squandered aid money when people being able to take huge loans to purchase cars, houses, business ventures and even degrees do WAY more damage than this affirmative action bullshit.

Is it bullshit some people get free money to go to college because of skin color? Yeah it is. But it's also bullshit some people get access to good colleges in general just because they were born in the right country.

If you want to advocate for something advocate for free community/state college in general so you render the political need for affirmative action moot.

>>9087682
>It's only possible to care about one thing
A debt based economy allows businesses to grow faster and produce more value.
Sure, the (((banking))) system is fucked, but that's a very different issue.

>>9084831
>have to struggle with family issues all the time

FFFFUCK I JUST WANNA STUDY

>be poor and abused
>go to poor school with retards
>fuck this shit I'm outta here
>plan on doing really fuckin good in high school and using muh poorness to pay for really good school
>parents don't know dick about college
>tell me I have to go to instate state school cuz that's where all the money's at
>HA
>I try to do my own research but fuck me the only time I'd ever had a computer in front of me and somehow fail to find the truth
>bout to be paying out the ass for a school I'm way too good for while my friends are going to Vassar and Notre Dame
>I had better grades and test than even them
>decide not to go
>spend the next 7 years smoking weed and doing drugs
>mom died when I was 20 haven't talked to dad in forever
>FUCK THEM TO HELL
>bout to start going to same shit school and paying out the ass

Even after doing tons of drugs and trying to be normie af I still know I'll just resent people for being dumb. Cannot fucking stand slow learners. I don't even care if I can still get into a good phd program I wanted to go to a fancy school and get to know other classy people. I was born in the wrong life. Everyone around me is beyond classless

>>9087212
Its not about who starts the race first. It's about crossing the finish line. Don't let that bother you and keep pressing through. Eventually you supersede them with that sort of effort.

>>9084756
>Only son of Indian Immigrants from Africa
>Brit
>parents slave away to send me to an independent school
>they end up as financial directors of large uk firms
>get a scholarship so they only have to pay £2k a year instead of £7k
>Seven years later first person to go to university
>graduate from Russel Group university with an engineering degree
>earn more than both my parents combined 4 years after graduating

Worked out ok.

>>9084761
>>9087286
Not so fast.
I did a Math+CS B.Sc. from a top university and a SE from Amazon who also went there came back to recruit his friends because his manager literally told him "I am so happy with you and others from uni X that I want you to find more people from uni X to get on the team."

Never would have had that opportunity at a small time state school.

>>9084756
Instead of crying about where you ended up because of your family background, work hard and take yourself to the next level. Work with what you have; if you're good, it doesn't matter anyway. Rich fags will have it easy their whole life. You won't, especially if you want to not be poor.

I came from a poor family, went to a shit school because all of the adults told me it was the best option and now I'm going to one of the best grad schools in my country for math. Can't believe I'm actually in this position. Thought I was too dumb and not privileged enough. I'm just taking it one day at a time and enjoying what I'm doing, working hard to get myself into the place I want to go.

>>9084756
ITT: brainlets that got into university because of affirmative action

>>9087212
There are also people older than you starting your program, there are people right now, slightly older than learning those subjects, at some point, will be doing exactly that. The only difference between you and them once you are learning those subjects is that you'll be older. What does that matter?

>>9088263
Is this the face of bait?

>Tfw 4th generation university student
feels good man

>>9089835
Are you white? Because if so then I suggest you start calling yourself last generation university student because there is no way your white kids are getting into college kek.

>>9089848
You are making little sense. If anything, it makes them more likely to be college-bound.

>>9089868
No, having white people go to college will become racist soon.

>>9089489
Wow, Amazon?!?!?!?!!
Enjoy working with literally the shittiest employer in the world

>>9087286
>Georgia Tech
>prestigious
Kek
Nigga not even all top 10 unis are prestigious
UCL is a shithole compared to the top 6

>>9090096
I'm 24 and I make 127k (+options and benefits) and work 30 hours a week

>>9085521
What branch and what was your MOS?

>>9087593

>South american that can afford a backyard and a bench

Well hello there Mr. Rockefeller. Also i have all my books in my desktop computer (can't afford books nor a notebook).

>>9090310
Navy. I was an electrician.

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>TFW dad is a nigger
>Like a real honest to god smoke weed every day beat his girlfriend nigger
>Figured from an early age I would be dumb like him
>Have ADHD
>Get put into special ed
>Well I am a dumb shit
>Go to high school
>Try to actually apply myself for some reason
>Turns out it's easy shit
>Go to college
>Every non STEM class is easy shit
>Have a 3.7 GPA and I am black
I have to admit, it feels good and if what /sci/ says is true me being black doubles my chances of getting into a college. Hope I can make it in Davis so I can study Population Genetics and figure out how to kill the bad nigger dad gene.

>>9090362
It's not a gene, it's a cultural thing. As soon as your culture stops accepting shitty dads, you'll be much better off.

>>9084761
>prestige is a meme

With that level of intelligence, it's no wonder you didn't get into a prestigious university.

>>9090148
UCL is not a top ten university. There are literally 30+ universities in America alone better than UCL.

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>come from poor family
>no on in family went to college
>community college
>UC
>major in math
This is where I fuck up
>start graduate program in math

>>9090667
it's not like you did either, so how would you know?
your parent's basement isn't exactly the best location for learning about the world

>>9090362
Yea, gas all niggers, thanks for doing god's work.

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>nobody in family has education level higher than highschool
>finish bachelor in uni
>now finishing master's
>family is proud
>still completely worthless because of my shitty life-sucking job and overall laziness

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>>9084756
Same except I went to CC then Uni, still make all Bs in every course related class no matter what

>>9090258
What did you use to prep for the interview? Leetcode? Do the interviews require proofs?

>>9091379
I know those feels anon

>>9091379
Don't feel too bad. Continue to review the material after each lecture

>>9087680
i know this feel

>>9091379
hang in there anon.

>Grandparents and parents no higher education
>Don't know any in my family with higher education
>Only my moms cousin who is a teacher
>Grandpa was apparently skilled at math tho
>Anyway, start uni
>Studying Biology now
>Enjoying it

I feel the same OP. I kinda just have to figure all this shit out on my own.

>>9090362
T. Weebu black kid.
What Chinese cartoons do you watch?

>>9090622
It's both

>>9084980
good for you. Just don't take my medical school spot pls.

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>mfw I'm second but it's okay since you learned from their mistakes.

>>9084756
>letting people on a tibetan singing bowl forum influence your self worth
Just work hard and learn all you can. There's not that great of a difference between the education you'll receive and the ones kids at Oxford receive. Just the price.

>>9085987
remind me of my cousin in mexico everyone but him is rich in uni
and he gets cucked out of dating the equally poor girls since they just date the rich kids instead kek

>>9091397
I didn't really prep much. I practiced some basic algorithms with the guy for a few hours (the recruiting friend, not the interviewer). The whole process was pretty straightforward. I wasn't asked for any proofs, but they did grill me on absolutely everything I claimed to know and had put on my cv, I guess to see if they could trust me more than to see if I could do what they wanted me to. (I'm working primarily in C++ but I put Haskell on my resume and I was asked about esoteric edge cases of Haskell's applicative and functor implementations and how they work and are used with the type system. I wasn't lying about being handy with Haskell but if I was the interviewer definitely would have caught me, so I would say not to exaggerate in an attempt to look better than you are because your interviewer and your manager will be so much better than anything you can even imagine that you'll only look childish if you try.

They asked be to implement and explain some operations on red-black trees. It wasn't particularly difficult.

>>9092463
Oxford is the same price as all other UK unis