EE thread

>>9069766
its pretty cool

>>9069775
Care to elaborate?

>>9069766

>EE
>Math

Top kek laddy

>>9069780
I propose you to leave behind this kind of memeposting and discuss like civilized human beings.

Is there an engineering mayor that has more math in its curriculum than EE? I'm honestly intrigued.

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>>9069780 >>9069766

Double major in EE + [Math or Physics] = Godlike tier.

Possible to do in 4 years because many classes/courses overlap.

>>9069800
I've think about doing this, but people have told me that it's not worth the effort in terms of salary.

Those people also told me than instead of double majoring, I should just get the Master degree and I'll be much better off.

>>9069766
EE involves probably the most physics out of all the engineering disciplines

And it's the best engineering major

really makes you think

>>9069808
Well the thing about double majoring with any engineering + physics or math is it wont directly help with getting an engineering job or engineering grad school. If you want to go to grad school for an engineering field, physics, or math, just major in that, a second major or a minor wont make a difference and honestly will just make more work that has a chance to weaken your gpa.

I'm starting my EE degree in September, is there anything you guys recommend I should do to prepare?

>>9069808
A master in the field you want to work is always better than doing a double major

>>9070064
reading allaboutcircuits dc and ac books really helped me

>>9069800
that chart is wrong and the comments make it clear the person who wrote it is out of his depth

>>9070126
what would be your ranking?

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>>9069800 >>9070126 >>9069808

ChemE > OChem > CS > EE >> Physics >>>>> Math. Poor Meth Fags BTFO.

PhD with Highest Mid Career Pay according to PayScale:
>http://www.payscale.com/college-salary-report/majors-that-pay-you-back/phd
Chemical Engineering $146,000
Organic Chemistry $146,000
Computer Science $145,000
Electrical Engineering $144,000
> Pharmacology $141,000
> Physical Chemistry $138,000
Physics $135,000
> Biomedical Engineering $133,000
> Statistics $131,000
> Aerospace Engineering $128,000
> Materials Science & Engineering $128,000
> Analytical Chemistry $121,000
> Economics $121,000
> Biochemistry & Molecular Biology $116,000
> Political Science $112,000
> Immunology $111,000
> Neuroscience $109,000
> Cell & Molecular Biology $106,000
> Microbiology $105,000
Mathematics $101,000
> Epidemiology $97,300
> Clinical Psychology $96,100

>>9070134
CompE student here. We definitely are not in competition with EE students. We do not study semiconductors and electronics, but we do program OS-free software (much better than EE students who barely even learn assembly), and we know how microprocessors work (so we are qualified in computer hardware). Also, an engineer should be competent enough to learn other branches than that of his diploma by himself, so there is not much point in confronting two quite connected branches of engineering (unless you are thinking about early career). One alumnus of my school who did EE told us that after a few years he almost completely stopped electronics and switched to QA.

>>9070150
Can you work on computer hardware as an EE? (say, for example, Intel, Nvidia or AMD)

>>9070134
god tier
>what you find most interesting

top tier
>electrical
>computer
>chemical
>mechanical
>aerospace
>nuclear

great tier
>materials
>civil

good tier
>industrial
>environmental
>biomedical

meme tier
>petro

>>9070150
>We definitely are not in competition with EE students. We do not study semiconductors and electronics
I'm a compE student and I absolutely study those things. Stop giving us a bad name

>>9070153
Yes EE would be the correct degree.

Too bad you ahve basicvally no chance of getting to any of those big 3.

>>9070153
It depends on your school desu, at my university there is compE and EE, but both could go into computer hardware shit. If you want to work at some certain company or in some field, just look up jobs on indeed or glassdoor or whatever and see the requirements for jobs you are interested in. This will give you a good idea of what you might want to tailor your upper level electives around for your major.

>>9070148

> muh money

>>9069766
>>EE
I'm an Anarcho-capitalist and I am a practicing EE, I have made millions by making a monopoly in my area with solar energy. Your move Elon.

>>9070148
You can make as much money as you want if you live under a capitalist government. Be your own boss.

>>9069766
ME, I live in Germany though. I work for Audi used to make BMWs. its orgasmic to be able to say that I designed parts on the r8.

>>9069766
In terms of job prospects in its field its not very good, it literally has negative growth. You will more easily end up doing either CS or business as opposed to EE.

Honestly you might as well just do CS because its easier and its your destination anyway.

>>9069800
>Civil is a subset of mech
You literally can't get most civil jobs as a mech. Civil is also broader than mech which woulld be awkward for it to be a subfield.

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>>9069766 >>9070305
>In terms of job prospects in its field its not very good, it literally has negative growth.

Because the Fucking Pajeets!

Tech Companies are outsourcing EECS Jobs to Cheap Pajeets.

Pajeets are willing to Work for half of US minimum wage.

In near future Pajeets will steal most EECS Jobs.

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>>9070337 >>9069766

When EECS Pajeet finds the West Tech Industry Job Market

POO . IN . IT .

>>9069766
the best engineering major is the one you are good at.

getting the degree isn't enough, you have to be gold league at your job if you expect to get anywhere beyond cubicle drone.

>>9069800
>PetroE
>Top Tier

m8, i went to the best petroleum E school in the US and nigga's were struggling to get a job in their field. Oil and Gas is in the toilet right now. Yeah, the positions still pay 100k starting, but you are going to be working 60 hours a week in a fuckin' oil field in south dakota or some other shit hole. and thats AFTER you bust your ass and beat out 100 other nigga's for the position. this isn't 2010.

>>9069799
I would say EE has the most REQUIRED math through its courses but ME also has an interesting variety as long as you don't fall for the manufacturing/product design meme, you just have to make a conscious effort to take the right classes. For example, I saw conformal mapping in aerodynamics, wave physics and PDE's in physical acoustics, computational methods in CFD, quaternions/Euler angles in advanced rotational stuff (i.e. flight dynamics), not to mention all of modern controls (although this is arguably a part of ME, EE, and math).

So no one knows what EEs actually do at their jobs?

>>9070910
My dad who is an EE got a masters in a telecommunications engineering and than a PhD in Wireless communications. He is now Systems Engineering Lead in bell labs, nokia

>>9070910
Run simulations about complex electrical machinery to see if it breaks when you throw a 100 kA current through it, when the thing works in your computer model, you give the circuit diagrams you created to cheap workers from Poland and make them create working machines. If the created machine is cheap enough you may also get to test your simulations in real life and enjoy the cool explosions.

>tfw brainlet
>Had to do CS instead

>>9071462
>the cool explosions
and get permanent ear damage because you forgot ear protection.

STEEM

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>Zero job growth
>Loses to CE in job prospects and salaries
Ayyyyy elmao

Whats the best subfield to master at though? Asking for myself

>>9071462
>you give the circuit diagrams you created to cheap workers from Poland and make them create working machines

I'm interning at a company right now and I'm seeing this exact situation, is it really that common?

>>9071489
ESTEEM

Economics, Science, Technology, Electrical Engineering, Mathematics

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>>9071489 # >>9071514 #
SHEEEEEEEIT
SHEE = Social science & Humanities Except Economics
EEEEE = English Major, Early Education, Environmental Engineering
I = Interior Design
T = Theology

>>9069766
My non programming/non-math loving relatives keep telling me to go into programming/CompSci and my programming friend who hates math says CompSci is only way to deal with software engineering. Should I listen to them? CompSci has too many people majoring in it and I would rather get into software engineering through math/physics majors, is it possible to do that?

>>9071808
If you want to get into software engineering then pick CS. It's a stupid question.

>>9071808
Pick CS with a math or EE minor depending on what level of abstraction you prefer.

>>9069766
I think I should have done CS instead of EE

your opinions on sales engineering or other degrees consisting of economical and engineering subjects?

Computer Engineering > any other engineering

>>9071541
Kek

>>9071937
W-why?

At least here in my country (Chile aka 'the third world'), EEs have better job prospects than CS, and also have a broader job field.

>>9069766
I like it. I just took my first electronics class where we used proper electronic components instead of solving retarded resistor puzzles.

>>9072091
>W-why?
couldn't find a single job for it,
I'm working in a warehouse.

>>9072277
Damn, working in a whorehouse.

>>9072277
In the US? And what was your gpa and internship shit like?

>>9071991
why do you say that?

>>9071937
must be looking in the wrong place.. the
>ee has zero job growth
meme is not an actual thing as ee is very general and a large portion of the jobs you get as ee are like software engineering and so on

you need to expand your horizons

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>>9069766
>I mean, it has more physics and maths in its curriculum than all the others engineering mayors.

>>9072633
The issue with EE having 0 job growth is that while you can get CS and CompE jobs, and you literally have the exact same job prospects as them, why not literally just major in CompE or CS because they are easier degrees with the exact same job prospects? If you want rigor and shit then just take those classes.

>>9071937
I fled CS for EE

>>9072673
It does

Is it worth it to take Algorithms and Data structures as an EE? I'm kind of looking at Software engineering jobs, because the prospects look good and it's really flexible in terms of location etc. but I'm tempted to go for the automotive industry. What about comp. networks and such?

What should I double major/minor in with EE? CS, Math, and CompE all seem interesting. Maybe even MechE

>>9074413
>EE
>automotive industry

Focus on power engineering and you gonna live a good life. And even if the automotive sector starts sucking in the next 5 years as power engineer you find more than enough jobs in the energy sector (not bound to a specific energy source) or even cute stuff like particle accelerators

Should I study EE if I hate programming but like math and physics?

>>9074665
I did EE (BS and MS) and hated programming, loved physics and math like you. Not all parts of EE make you program. I specialized in RF for my BS and MS and there is no programming *required* for many jobs I applied to. It is still a good tool to have, but you don't have to. I think analog also doesnt have much? Maybe optics and shit related dont either? Im not sure on those but just what ive heard from friends.

>>9072623
Because he's a computer engineer.

>>9069766
>I mean, it has more physics and maths in its curriculum than all the others engineering mayors.


Lol no. They only have a miniscule introduction to modern physics. EEs don't know shit about real physics. And they don't see any real math either.

>>9074665
>but like math and physics

You will get dissapointed.

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>>9070148
http://www.payscale.com/college-salary-report/majors-that-pay-you-back/mba

> Strategy $149,000
> General & Strategic Management $146,000
> Entrepreneurship $139,000

As always /biz/ wins again.

>>9074921


n=10 maybe for those salaries that require MUCH more schooling than 4 year (maybe 3 if your asian) EE degree at a top 5000 college in USA

>>9074923
>if your asian

Is this place full of highschoolers?

>>9074909
>You will get disappointed

Will I be disappointed if I take courses like Real Analysis and Classical Mechanics and Modern Physics and Quantum Mechanics as complementary courses?

>>9076595

Lol, you are so lost.

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>>9070910
>So no one knows what EEs actually do at their jobs?

lemme break it down for you.

>come in to work
>get some coffee
>read emails
>make a few phone calls
>have a meeting
>few more emails
>write a report
>go check the status of the mcguffin
>shitpost/browse the internet
>go home

you will maybe do "engineering" like once a week. this isn't some piss ant engineering gig either, this is what guys making six figures at fortune 500 companies are doing all day.

>>9076963
wtf I love engineering now. how do i get a gig like this?

>>9076970
This desu

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>>9076970
>>9076976
apply. nail the interview. don't have a sub 3.0 GPA and do some internships.

what i listed here >>9076963 shouldn't surprise you. you are thinking of "work" in the terms of what guys at McDonalds or some other blue collar plebs are doing where you are constantly engaged in some task. thats not how engineering is (and white collar work in general). you don't get paid to work, you get paid to think and if that means drinking coffee for an hour while staring out the window then thats what you're getting paid to do.

>>9076963
>EEJob >coffee >emails > phone >meetings >report >shitpost/internet >High Pay

Perfect Job.

>>9076970 >>9076976

>>9074413
ADAS

>>9076970
>>9076976
>>9076995
it should be worth noting that this is pretty much every engineering job.

>>9074420
waste of time to double major. do some internships and undergrad research

>>9077000
What about the 300k applied math masters doing financial analysis?

>>9077000
Do engineers have time for family/hobbies? Or do they have to bring work home, like having to do reports and shit.

>>9077021
>>9077021
might as well make weapons.

Im having a hard time deciding if i should study wireless technology, or control. Which one has highest demand?

>>9077048
Das illegal doe.

>>9077041
Some do

>>9077051
I did e-mag and controls. I am a software dev at a hospital and hate my life every day.

>>9069780
Are you takin a piss m8?
What other engineering routinely involved gradient operators on electromagnetic fields and complex analysis?

Maybe a computer engineer working on quantum computers?
That's basically 80% EE anyhow!

This is a legit question. I mostly know MechEngs and Aerospace majors, with a few Civil and one Chemical thrown in. They all got to stop their math and physics courses a literal year or more before me.

They all got to stop at DiffEQ and I had to keep going to pick up some more complex algebra, complex numbers, more vector stuff, etc.

>>9077041
the first couple of years might be rough.

>>9069800
Petroleum should be downgraded because it's fuckin dying.
I'm from the heart of oil country, USA, and the petroleum eng students are vanishing left and right because even out here everyone knows its days are numbered and solar/wind/nuclear will eclipse it.

You seem to have left off Nuclear, which is weird because it's one of the higher paying degrees.

Computer Engineering is also god-tier when it's offered WITH EE.

Many schools, like MIT, offer EECS degrees: Electirical Engineering and Computer Science.

Basically a hybrid of electrical and computer engineering, with less focus on large-scale power applications like susbstations, less focus on shit like chip design, which constrains the focus firmly in the mid-size range, and then EECS also does a lot of programming.

Some EECS also goes heavy mechanical in order to be a triple threat on robotics.
They can design the physical body, wire it, and code it, at the expense of not being a true Mech Eng, EE, or CS.

Does the US military have any sort of demand for EE? Either working more fundamentals with the airforce, or more applied like the US army corps of engineers? I wanna be working on electrical power generation, transfer, or storage, not computer shit.

>>9077095
>US army corps of engineers

only if you want to do hydropower. you will get a comfy job maintaining a 50 year old dam.

>>9070150
>much better than EE students who barely even learn assembly
The fuck?
I'm in EE and have never had to go "lower" than C aside from learning some basic binary and hex.

90% of my coding has been C++ or Java. If you count intro courses, then it's 50% Python., 50% C++ and Java.

>>9077094
>which is weird because it's one of the higher paying degrees.

with the lowest job satisfaction out of any engineering discipline.

>>9070910
EE is very broad, bruh.
Give it a google.
There are a lot of subtypes.

Some EEs work on power stations.
Some EEs work on consumer appliance design.
Some EEs work on smartcars.
Some EEs work in telecommunications.
Some EEs work in computer peripheral design.
etc etc etc.

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>>9074921
Go figure the jobs that get to pick their own pay get paid more.
This has only been a known phenomenon for all of human history.

>>9077104
I'm EE as well, and so far i have coded C and assembly (about to start 4. sem)

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>>9077106
Sure, but it's still cool.
Plus they make unskilled grunts do the dangerous work: https://www.unbelievable-facts.com/2016/12/hisashi-ouchi.html

>>9077094
I was going to go to a university with EECS. I'm glad I changed my mind. FUCK austismo CS fags. They are the cringiest fucks on the planet and I'm really happy I don't have to see them as much. CS students are mostly tards that like vidya gaymes and want to form some shitty startup.
I hope CS majors spending 700k on a cardboard box in silicon valley.

>>9077107
Yeah, but that's 'where' they work. The real question is what does that job actually consists of, in general.

>>9077194
In my limited experience, it's applying fundamental EE knowledge like circuit analysis, signal analysis, maybe some noise/interference work, maybe an efficiency study of an induction coil system.

Really, like the anon said, it seemed to me like a few hours of work per week, several hours of documenting your work and writing up a detailed, understandable, pretty report, and a few meetings or discussions with coworkers or bosses or techs.

>>9077199
Why does this Anon >>9077084 say that the first years might be rough?

You paint it like engineers don't really do anything stressful.

>>9077222
Early on, many places treat you like a gopher or a spreadsheet jockey.

You might be running to starbucks to get the office coffee while they sit in a meeting you'd rather observe.

You might not get to do any engineering, but rather sit around waiting on a report to land on your desk for you to check, or data to be emailed to you for you to import into excel and manipulate to perform an analysis, and then you send the formatted data back for the other guy to use in his report, or you do that part of the report yourself.

I had a friend join a startup working on smart-home tech and their first year was spent physically assembling sensors from bins of cheap chinese parts, and testing every component first because like 10% of them didn't work, and another 10% weren't up to specification.

After that year, he got to move up to setting up the sensors. So he'd go to a customer's house and scout out the best placement spots, then figure out how to network them all and get them communicating with the home server.

And after that they had him debugging code and troubleshooting when the server and sensors weren't working right.

The two founders did all of the real engineering work and offloaded every other job onto fresh graduates who'd work for cheap or interns.

That may be what they mean.

I've heard of a lot of people not liking engineering because their first internship or job sat them in a cubicle using word and excel all day every day.

Is it a good idea to get a masters in EE if I have 0 interest in circuit design?

My focus is signal processing.

>>9077245
>their first internship or job sat them in a cubicle using word and excel all day every day.

That's my bigger fear. Can you even avoid this in any way?

>>9069766
Yeah, sure
Go for it
I don't really care though
EE here doing Masters
I just want to end my eternal suffering

>>9077618
>sat them in a cubicle using word and excel all day every day.
You can use Mathematica, Maple, Matlab , Jupyter (Python, Latex, Julia, etc) too like the Research Fags if you want.

Whats the best paying/highest demand/future proof EE sector? By the way what do you guys do in wireless engineering?

I'm majoring in EE. Does having a minor in Quantum Mechanics make any sense? I just like Physics too much (I almost went for the Physics major).

Or should I just forget about it and take a more useful minor in Algorithms or Computer Software or Renewable Energies.

>>9077684
If you are really majoring in EE you would know in which fields you are dealing with quantum mechanics.

>>9077245
CompE student here. Posting from my first internship (4th week). Literally went from changing components to reading some 200-page 5-year-old managerial bullshit I give no crap about while people I was told were engineers are Pajeeting some Java listening to some pop music.

>>9077008
Does this apply if I had my AA out of high school?

>>9077821
i don't see why not

EE is a meme, just graduated in it but couldn't find a job anywhere. I ended up going into software development, which pays just as well.

Good luck finding an EE job if you don't have a close relative already in the field.

>>9077959
Curious, which country are you from?

>>9077965
USA

>>9077322
Maybe if you go 100% into telecom EE.
Working with antennas, satellites, dishes, etc, is a major subdiscipline within electrical engineering.

I'm sure they all use circuits to some degree, though.
But they are not remotely the same as electronics engineering or computer engineering, which heavily emphasize circuits.

>>9077618
From what I've heard, it's pure luck.
I've known guys who got to shadow real engineers and ask them questions and give them input like real apprentices during their internships. No cubicles. One guy even had a desk IN his boss's office so he could be there for every meeting and phone call. Another guy with the same company had a desk literally right outside the door of his boss's office, near the secretary desk.

But it was a middle-to-small sized company that only took on a handful of interns or new guys at a time.

I've also heard that if you're ok earning less money, you can take a field job.

I'm not sure this is true, because I'm a desk jockey, but I've been told that desk jockeys are considered the smarter engineers, the ones who had 3.8 GPAs, who know their theory really well, so they get put to work using their brains and get paid more. Meanwhile, lower-scoring engineers tend to have to settle for acting almost like techs. They have to drive a lot, walk a lot, wear a hard hat a lot, and go out in the field to take data to send to the desk jockeys, then take the solutions the desk jockeys come up with and either implement them or explain them to a real tech or electrician or something.

No cubicle for them, but in exchange they work longer and harder for less money. It's just less cerebral work.

>>9077684
>I'm majoring in EE. Does having a minor in Quantum Mechanics make any sense? I just like Physics too much
>>9077690
>If you are really majoring in EE you would know in which fields you are dealing with quantum mechanics.

Which EE fields deals with the most quantum physics?
Photonics/Optics? Semiconductors?
For an EE student who love both physics & electronics like me
Is PhD a good option? A PhD in EE then focus in Physics later on? Can BSc in EE get into a Physics PhD? Would a minor in Physics or Math help? Which is the best PhD : Physics or EE?

>>9077947
I would graduate in 2-3 years with one major
My uni is paid for so extra time investment isn't an issue either

>>9078098

Fuck off retard

>>9077199
>it's applying fundamental EE knowledge like circuit analysis, signal analysis, maybe some noise/interference work, maybe an efficiency study of an induction coil system.


That has to be the most depressing job ever.

>doing Masters in Circuit Design
>specialising in VLSI

Is my life going to be Cadence, anons

>>9078098
Not quantum mechanics per se, but I think most of the top EE programs right now have some focus on quantum computing at the moment.

>>9070203
t. teacher

>>9069766
Honestly more math is never bad and most likely you will learn math by yourself though, by autodidactic means.

Also choose the one you like and good at. Passing courses is not enough especially in engineering. Doing a few research stuff and sucking up to a professor might be enough for a math or physics major (I'm not trying to be an asshole here) with academic interests, but out in the industry for an engineer that's not enough.
Build shit and learn, also learn your math and physics well. You shouldn't have problem with physics classes at all, especially if you want to actually know how things work.
Most real good engineers I know are essentially *also* applied math (control theory, dynamical systems) or applied physics guys (example: semiconductors, optics).

You can also go into photonics and nanotech with EE, at least here in Europe. I also knew of a guy who did his PhD in astrophysics fucking around with stars with a masters in EE. He probably did additional research oriented around that during his MSc though.

Essentially learn to think really good and learn lot of maths. That way it doesn't matter whether it's physics or engineering you're doing and how applied it is. You will be able to model shit and come up with cool solutions. Stay broad enough to know where to look up a given problem. For example if you want to fuck around with drones and robotics or electromechanics then you should know your analytical mechanics. You don't know enough math if you can't work easily with concepts like that. You should breath ODEs and PDEs, later stochastic stuff is important. statistics helps you analyze systems in a new way. Signals and systems (theory) is your breakfast. Control theory is for dinner. Semiconductor physics and modeling is for lunch.

>>9070150
>>9070153
>>9070159
>>9077104
It depends on what your school calls EE and CpE. In Europe my degree is what you call CpE and you definitely learn basic semiconductor physics alongside lots of electronics.

>>9070910
Depends. If by EE means someone with a degree for example an MSc in EE then it's a broad enough degree that they can do whatever they know how to do.

>They can work as applied physicists especially if they did related work/research at university or otherwise proven their knowledge especially in areas like optics and semiconductors.

>They can do modeling of semiconductors for example working on models specific to high heat or irradiated areas. Broader research can include how to keep shit working in extreme environments. This isn't necessarily space like many of you think.

>They can do top tier circuit design or integrated circuit design specializing in working with digital, analog or for example mixed signal integrated circuits.

>They can work as software developers, some of them do big enterprise software development having nothing to do with EE.

>They can work on circuit simulation techniques.

>They can work on AI related research regarding U(A)V stuff.

>They can work on research and/or design of telecommunications systems staying on the hardware side. Some can go and work on related hardware ranging from antennas to optical cables and high speed routers for example. Some can go and work on antenna theory essentially doing applied physics regarding electromagnetic wave propagation. A Specialized branch is for example underwater stuff.

>They can build basic circuits.

>They can do maintenance work in subfield X.

>They can be managers doing little EE stuff other than managing.

>They can do complex interdisciplinary stuff beyond EE moving into ME and Mechatronics aka become systems engineers. They have the math background to do it.

>They can work as managers doing totally unrelated shit. (BSc shitters without knowledge or talent.)

>Some using their knowledge on dynamical systems with good autodidactic skills could move into financial stuff.

>This is what people with an EE degree do. Go read some books and look up the authors and you will see.

>>9071808
Really good people who know the theory behind stuff and are able to reason properly are always needed. Most of those guys won't end up knowing shit.

Yes, SE without proper foundations is nothing. It's only good for making the next calendar app and calling REST APIs all day.

>>9079015
>In Europe my degree is what you call CpE and you definitely learn basic semiconductor physics alongside lots of electronics.
What electronics? I did two years of physics prior to CE and it involved resistors, capacitors, inductors, OpAmps and diodes in AC and DC, as well as filtering and DAC/ADC functioning, electrodynamics with Drude's model and basic QM (no transistors though). It's true that there is way enough free time in engineering schools to study a bit of electronics on the side though.

>>9069766
can someone tell me why "electronic engineering" doesn't exist in the usa? i'm going to the UK for an integrated BEng/MEng in Electronic Engineering, which is a legitimate engineering program, but the title "electronic engineering" doesn't exist in the USA while both "electrical"/"electronic" both exist in the UK.

i mean the difference is obvious, electronic seems more specific, lower voltage, etc, but the fuck does it not exist here? if it wasn't for accreditation i'd think i was getting scammed with a non-existent meme degree

>>9077164
Is this true even for a good college such as MIT or Caltech?

>>9079082
not him but probably. if you're interested don't let retarded spergs stop you

>>9079040

> they can do whatever they know how to do.

false, only shit things related to electricity. If you want to do other things, you are a worse option than their respective degrees.

Why would somebody hire an EE instead of a CE or CS for a software development position or AI?


EE is one of the less flexible engineering degrees that exist.

>>9069766

False. Chemical Engineers and Nuclear engineers have more physics than Electrical. EEs mostly just use electromagnetism and optics (aka brainlet physics).

>>9079186
certified false.
i am doing EE phd and i know everything from semiconductors to deep learning and robotics

>>9079198

>deep learning
Holy shit, certified meme degree.

>semiconductors and robotics
Not related to the jobs i mentioned.

>>9079217
i was replying to your "less flexible" assumption.
and deep learning is not a meme, its doing some amazing things in medicine. Its just that people are expecting too much out of it

>>9079223

But IT IS one of the least flexible engineering degrees.

Also any retard with an arduino can get work in robotics, specially MEs and CSs.

>>9069800
Canada here, petE is dead.

Family friend with a masters in it says he wants to kill himself

>>9069800
>tfw civ
I just want to play with big boy legos :(

>>9077051
In my mind the most interesting things an EE could do would be to work on satellite communications (comsats, space projects, satellite dishes, radio transmission related stuff, etc.) or automated robotics (help Tesla optimize their manufacturing process, help Amazon build their warehouse automation systems, etc.), or nanotechnology. Don't take this opinion too seriously since I'm an incoming freshman in EE and I haven't taken ECE 101 yet. Papa bless.

>>9079249
Joyce and Helene were always friends until one day I hadn't seen or heard about her in a while. We had been to her house many times and it was a nice place to hang out. I said "Where's Pete?" Helene jumped into her crocodile tears 0.0002 seconds and sobbed, "She ditched me."

>>9079318
>I'm an incoming freshman in EE

/sci/ in a nutshell

>>9079328
what

>>9079318
>I'm an incoming freshman in EE
as the other poster said that's literally everyone on /sci/ so you are right at home

>>9074889
/t.

>>9077712
What company?

>>9079239
kek. do you think little driving cars are the robots i work on?

>>9079385

Obviously the industry uses PLCs, but the principles are the same as the used in arduino / raspberry pi. Robotics is not a hard area to get into if you know about electricity or computers. Any CS or ME graduate can work for Boston Dynamics or Fanuc for example.

>>9079064
It was a long time ago, I'm not a freshmen anymore and electronics and electricity is my hobby + I like physics experiments. So I will try to include stuff I'm sure about we covered during the lectures.

Analog Electronics is linear networks (resistor, capacitors, inductors), semiconductors: diodes (diode[shockely] equation), BJT [simple 2 diode model], FET, two port networks, interfacing of two port networks, filters, biasing of transistors, various use of opamps, various ADC and DAC configurations. Analysis in AC and DC state. We also learned like 3 different ways on how to write the equation for a linear circuit.

On a broader side we had the following engineering classes:
Digital Electronics
Computer Architecture
Signals and Systems (generic modelling with diffeqs: basic electrical and mechanical systems, analogies)
Control Theory (PID + other SigSys stuff like additional stuff on linearization, Kalman filter, observers,controllability, observability, basics of MIMO systems).
Measurement and Data Acqusition (statistics, measurement methods and circuits, measurement devices)
Microcontrollers and Applications
Robotics (mostly theory and control)
PLC and SCADA Systems
Mechatronics (sensors, actuators, basic CAD modeling and FEM simulation - stepper motor drives)
Intelligent Systems (PID, Fuzzy, Neural network based controls - going into CS territory)
Telecommunications Systems (the first part is electronics: oscillators, various models of low and high frequency transformers + some other stuff)

My school basically teaches you the basics well, but some of my classes focus on a broader introduction to concepts and other than that they give you lot of books as recommended so you can learn it deeper if you want.
Basically you're missing the higher level EE courses and some EE physics classes. It's still good, because I can go into an EE MSc if I complete some prereq courses.

Of course maybe my degree is closer to EECS than what you would call CpE.

>>9070337
Are Indians actually smart? Can I have some red pilling? Really odd to me that there are so many engineers coming from a place where people shit on the streets.

>>9069766
I guess that a nuclear engineering degree is better.
I mean, i suppose that it's pretty much like mechanical engineering but with a shit ton of particles physics.

Am i wrong?

>>9080094
EEs can minor in NukeE.
EEs can get jobs in Nuclear Power Plants.
And I think that EE Phds can also do research in Nuclear Power Generation.

>Europe to bet up to €1 billion on quantum technology
>The European Commission has picked a third research area where it hopes to have a major impact by spending a massive amount of cash. Research groups across the continent will receive up to €1 billion over the next 10 years to develop quantum technologies, which might be used to develop anything from faster computers and very secure communication systems to ultrasensitive sensors and more precise atomic clocks.
>The project "should place Europe at the forefront of the second quantum revolution, bringing transformative advances to science, industry and society within the decade to come," a spokesperson for the European Commission wrote in an email toScienceInsider. “This is an exciting and ambitious effort to focus the extraordinary scientific accomplishments from Europe to develop fundamentally new technologies based on the quantum state of matter,” says David Awschalom, a physicist at the University of Chicago in Illinois who is not involved in the project.
>Two similarly ambitious schemes showering money on a single topic, called Flagship projects, have been underway in the European Union since 2014. One focuses onthe study of graphene, the other ona computer model of the entire human brain. They were selected after anexhaustive high-profile beauty contestand announced with a series of media events. This time, there was no formal competition, and the project’s announcement washidden in a short sentence in a long documentthis week describing plans to “digitize European industry.”

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/04/europe-bet-1-billion-quantum-technology

Are EEs able to jump into this quantum bandwagon? What would it be needed for this, a PhD in Physics or something like that? Is it a good idea to get your EE mayor and then studying a PhD in Physics?

>>9080120

Chemical and Mechanical engineering have more in common with Nuclear then EE.

>>9080584
EE with focus on power engineering will always find a place in a nuclear plant.

What do I need to know to be a grad engineer in a grad program?

I've finished my degree but I'm pretty 'tarded, I really don't know anything about electricity and so on.

>>9080801

Differential equations, laplace and matlab.

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>>9079040
Every freshman gets baited into thinking EEs can do anything and everything, but the reality is much more complicated than that.

The vast majority of jobs and occupations out there basically want you to not be merely decent at everything, but extremely good at just a few things. This is purely a consequence of supply and demand and basically the supply at the moment (yes, contrary to popular belief the STEM crisis is BS) is just too fucking high leading to career paths getting more and more specialized overall as time goes on.

This is why EE jobs, even at the entry level, require you to have a MS or PhD - especially in fields like circuit design or chip fabrication. A BS in EE is essentially worthless on its own since people simply don't expect a BSEE to know jack shit about anything beyond the most basic of basics.

Even if you happened to complete an equivalent of an MS in your coursework in undergrad in the field of your choice (which is dangerous because you might over commit to a shitty field by the way), you'd be surprised to see how many hiring departments simply demand to see the words MS in your resume for absolutely no reason other than to stroke their bureaucratic dicks.

So essentially, choosing EE doesn't free you from having to commit to a particular narrow specialization, and by extension, pigeonholing your entire career to revolve around your inevitably narrow skillset. Couple this with the boom-bust nature of the semiconductor industry which has been declining since the 80s, bls.gov statistics reporting a decline in the number of EE jobs across the board, and you'll get a good field of why EE is actually, memes aside, unimpressive in terms of career options.

>>9082270
never EVER post the picture of my wife ever again

>>9069766
EE is indeed the best Engineering major, and the most useful...

But if all you want to do is do mental masturbation, then you have to do pure maths or any theoretical physics...
Who knows, you might be one of those selected few that actually do something important...

Like Kurisu

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>>9082272
What are you going to do about it?

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>>9082286
>EE is indeed the best Engineering major, and the most useful...
>Who knows, you might be one of those selected few that actually do something important...
>Like Kurisu.

Stein's;Gate
Rintarou Okabe (Hououin Kyouma) Electrical Engineering Freshman. Typical /sci/ Anon.
Kurisu Makise (Christina) BSc in Neuroscience, 18 years old, taking Graduate School course credits in Electrical E & Physics pursuing some sort of interdisciplinary PhD. /sci/ waifu.
Itaru Hashida, Electronic & Software Engineering Freshman, /g/&/a/ Anon.
Suzuha Amane, Technician in Electronics & Mechanics.
Mayuri Shiina, /a/utistic Cosplayer. /a/ & /cgl/ femanon.
+ Other random /a/utistics & 1 Trap Genderfluid (literally Genderfluid)

It probably matters more where you live than what you graduate in. Once you start working you realize the 4 years of school isn't as important as learning on the job and work experience.

I Graduated in civil engineering, currently working as an electrical engineer in SF.

>>9079376
It's the computer center of a hospital.

>>9082270
>(yes, contrary to popular belief the STEM crisis is BS)
>sub-2% unemployment in most STEM fields
>more job openings than applicants
>good students at top unis get headhunted by corporations like Tesla and Google almost from day 1

>EE is actually, memes aside, unimpressive in terms of career options.
Compared to other engineering majors, this is true.
You're right that EE isn't anything special.
But it's not any worse off.
If anything, the boom in solar, wind, electric vehicles, automated homes, robots, etc, is set to make some concentrations of EE extremely desirable.

The key is to realize the overlapping areas of study.
If you go into semiconductors, maybe you'll have a problem.
If you go into power engineering with a focus on renewables, you're probably golden.
If you go into EE with a side focus of automotive, you could land a job at Tesla or Google or Apple. I hear self-driving car engineering all sucks ass, though, but it pays well.

Then if you're into the smart homes, robots, sexbots, etc, then electronics is a solid concentration, provided you don't go into the chips, but instead focus on your programming, machine learning, sensors and controls, etc.

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>>9082663
>more job openings than applicants

You really think there are more jobs out there than 1 billion pajeets?

>If anything, the boom in solar, wind, electric vehicles, automated homes, robots, etc, is set to make some concentrations of EE extremely desirable.

The key phrase here is "some concentrations". Concentrations which often require a graduate degree or more. And if the field of your concentration doesn't exactly pan out very well, then you're screwed because you're stuck with a PhD in, say, analog ICs.

And the thing is everyone keeps speculating about which field is going to blow up in the future. For example the IoT meme or muh smart power grid that people keep shilling. But at the end of the day no sane person would bother to spend 5+ years on a topic just because of pure speculation.

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>>9083732
1 billion pajeets don't have western EE degrees

Most of the concentrations mentioned or implied do not *require* grad degrees. And they're making a MS a requirement for PE anyhow.

The concentrations are also not niche or exclusive. If you have a MS in one branch you are NOT useless at all other kinds of EE.

And you're implying that it's just luck what becomes popular but that's objectively false. Some of it is more speculative than others, but it's all happening, and we know which ones are mandatory.

IoT is, to a degree, mandatory. There is zero chance that future homes are not all networked. Already, my phone, tablet, laptop, PC, and every TV in my house are linked and I can read or watch or listen to the same thing across all of them.

Self-driving cars are also a guarantee.

Broadcast technology is ALSO guaranteed to always be a thing. Be it wifi, radio, etc.

I could go on and on. There is nothing uncertain about the prospects for EE. Shit's going well and it's only gonna get better as we integrate more of our lives.

We're moving towards some Avatar-style shit or Protoss-style shit in the long run, maybe some Ghost in the Shell shit. We're all gonna be linked by communications devices, like we are now, but they will eventually become wearable, then implantable.

Every building is gonna have VI communications to warn you about emergencies or direct you to your room or tell you where the elevator is.

Cars are gonna be a self-driving network that don't need traffic signals because they can time themselves so that busy intersections are collision-free even if every car keeps going full speed through them.

Plus the rise of virtual reality.
We're gonna be watching ultra-immersive 3D movies that put IMAX to shame with VR headsets that put you IN the scene. We're gonna see webpages adapt to users being able to browse them in virtual reality as well. Apps/OSs too.

Electricity is gonna be central to ALL of this. It happens to be a Fundamental Force.

>>9079080
It does but it's synonymous with CC or trade school associate degrees

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>>9083765
>1 billion pajeets don't have western EE degrees

I see you've never even looked at a graduate EE department before.

>We're moving towards some Avatar-style shit or Protoss-style shit in the long run, maybe some Ghost in the Shell shit. We're all gonna be linked by communications devices, like we are now, but they will eventually become wearable, then implantable.

People used to think we'd settle on Mars by 2000. Instead, after the cold war the space program got scuttled and we're stuck here making shitty apps for iOS because that's just what the market demands.

Nobody is going to make some retarded grandiose vision of the future happen just for the sake of it. It's all about the money and market forces.

Everyone thinks they're special and their vision of the future is right. Until they make their own startup and it fails when they find out there isn't really much of a market in making your dildo connect remotely to your toothbrush or vice versa.

>Electricity is gonna be central to ALL of this. It happens to be a Fundamental Force.

Sewage systems are central to the functioning of all societies. So is digging through shit a good career then?

>>9083785
that's a shame, hopefully people don't think i've got a meme degree if i do decide to come back here

>>9083802
>Sewage systems are central to the functioning of all societies. So is digging through shit a good career then?

yeah it is actually. waste water is one of those engineering disciplines like power and HVAC that are always in demand and aren't going away anytime soon.

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>>9083813 >>9083802
Sewage/waste water engineering is LITERALLY the SHITIEST stem degree.

>>9083802
>I see you've never even looked at a graduate EE department before.

>not checking the data first
You've revealed yourself to be a poser here. Bet you're not even in STEM. Just a NEET living at home shitposting.

https://www.nsf.gov/statistics/2015/nsf15321/pdf/tab28.pdf
https://www.nsf.gov/statistics/2015/nsf15321/#

>People used to think we'd settle on Mars by 2000. Instead, after the cold war the space program got scuttled and we're stuck here making shitty apps for iOS because that's just what the market demands.
Prove that these two things are connected. It's not logically valid to say that because one prediction of the future was wrong, that no predictions can be right. Especially given that many WERE right.

>Nobody is going to make some retarded grandiose vision of the future happen just for the sake of it. It's all about the money and market forces.
Which is driving every development I mentioned.
VR is already taking off. Self-driving cars are taking off. Smart-homes are taking off. Because people want them and will pay for them.

>Everyone thinks they're special and their vision of the future is right.
Spot the /pol/ster. This specific brand of apathetic nihilism is particularly concentrated in retarded conservatives and libertarians that think that because they're garbage, everyone else is too. Plus the anime and pepe memes give you away.

>Sewage systems are central to the functioning of all societies. So is digging through shit a good career then?
If you mean chemical treatment plants? Yeah, they used to be good jobs. Robots are about to take those jobs, though. Robots made in part by EEs.
Civil Engineering and Environmental Engineering with focuses on Waste Management are also still very viable, robots or not.

Also, dat false equivalency between digging shit and working with a fundamental physical force.

You've proven now that you're a moron. Go back to /b/ to shitpost.

>>9083827
Whoops, that's the EngT table. Here's full engineering:
https://www.nsf.gov/statistics/2015/nsf15321/pdf/tab2.pdf

Almost the same data.
45-49% white in most fields.
All asians, including pajeets, middle easterners, east asians, south asians, etc, are less than 8%. As are all other ethnic groups.
Visa holders account for 25-30%, not all of which are pajeets, obviously.

>all the autists that went for CS and CE are realizing the field is dead so they're jumping ship to EE

Just fucking kill me. I don't wanna have to work with these idiots.

>>9083827
>>9083765
This guy is right and the anime guy is an idiot

What sub-field of EE works with high frequency analog stuff? You know, radio, radar, that kinda shit. I don't really give a fuck about digital.

>>9069766

If you want to be a professor it doesn't matter because you are going to need to be a rockstar in whatever field you choose.

For industry Chemical Engineering and Mechanical Engineering are probably the most competitive.

>>9070150
> We do not study semiconductors and electronics
I'm a compE and yes we do what the fuck difference is there between you and CS then? Extra assembly??

>>9076993
How do I get my foot in the door? I got no real internship experience because idk and I'm graduating with an MS in EE this december?

>>9083827
>You've revealed yourself to be a poser here. Bet you're not even in STEM. Just a NEET living at home shitposting.

Woah, slow down there cowboy. Wouldn't want to get too triggered and start flinging baseless ad-homs now, do we?

The truth is the only reason why I know about this shit is because I am in EE myself.

>Especially given that many WERE right.

Yes, but many many more were wrong. People only see the minority of the successes and conveniently ignore then majority of the failures. This is the crux of the startup effect. Tons of young guys go to Silicon Valley, make a startup and think they're gonna be rich. Only a few really make it, and of course they get all of the spotlight.

>VR is already taking off. Self-driving cars are taking off. Smart-homes are taking off.

Well stuff like IoT is bunk and Cisco's bet on ipv6 hasn't paid off. FPGAs and other reconfigurable architectures are haven't taken off like they were supposed to due to Xilinx and Altera dicking around with their ancient closed source toolchains. Then they tried making the FPGAs easier to program for CS plebs by making HLS tools like Vivado, but for some reason nobody is (really) biting. New compound semiconductor tech like GaN/GaAs devices were great for RFIC/MMIC, but found to be economically infeasible compared to Si fabrication, so they've hit a roadblock on that one too. Then they tried integrating photonics monolithically directly onto Si which had results, but they might as easily stumble upon some roadblocks down the road again...

> Robots made in part by EEs.

You'd easily get paid more to make apps, or dare I say it, web dev though. Just comb through indeed and you'll be surprised how much they make compared to EE jobs.

>>9083917
man, i would try to find something industry relevant in a fucking hurry. no internship + masters screams "i don't know how to adult so the masters was just a stall tactic". do your professors like you? ask if they know anyone.

you might end up just having to eat an intern level job when you graduate till you get enough experience under your belt to move on to something better. if thats the case, do it with a smile on your face and get a plan together to launch into a real position in a year or so.

>>9083918
>You'd easily get paid more to make apps, or dare I say it, web dev though. Just comb through indeed and you'll be surprised how much they make compared to EE jobs.

uh huh. living on the west coast where a one bedroom house costs 300k+ and taxes rape your asshole.

>>9083930
Yeah i think at least two of them know and like me enough. I'm doing research under one of them this Fall.

I don't mind doing an internship if it's something I like (vlsi or embedded)

Being on Long Island limits my choices though

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>>9083842
>TABLE 7. Master's degrees awarded, by field, citizenship, ethnicity, and race of recipients: 2002–12
>In 2012:
>White, Electrical, electronics, and communications engineering: 2000
>Temporary visa holders, Electrical, electronics, and communications engineering: 6,052

>TABLE 10. Doctoral degrees awarded, by field, citizenship, ethnicity, and race of recipients: 2002–12
>In 2012:
>White, Electrical, electronics, and communications engineering: 370
>Temporary visa holders, Electrical, electronics, and communications engineering: 1,178

Let's make the conservative guess than 1/3 of those temporary visa holders are pajeets. Then the pajeets easily match or outnumber whites. Let's not forget the chinks too...

And here's some anecdotal evidence from my department just to prove I'm not some basement dwelling NEET:
http://www.dmi.illinois.edu/stuenr/ethsexres/ethsexsp17.xls

If you scroll down to the ECE section, you'll see that we have about 80% internationals in the graduate school.

Or maybe UIUC is just a shit school or something, meh.

>>9083932
There are web dev jobs everywhere though. Texas is a good place if the coasts aren't your thing.

>>9083937
>I don't mind doing an internship if it's something I like

do it even if its something you don't like. the work is largely irrelevant as most internships are pretty much the same in terms of job responsibility. internships are proof of efficacy that you can operate in a corporate environment outside of academia.

>>9082270
>The vast majority of jobs and occupations out there basically want you to not be merely decent at everything, but extremely good at just a few things
Of course. I didn't try to imply with my list that you can do all of that "at the same time", but rather that all of those can be a future specialization for an EE. We live in the age of the specialist, but the need for generalists (systems engineers) are rising though.Interdisciplinary fields are on the rise, because you can't do shit in the traditional sense. EEs can receive an interesting combination of hardware and CS knowledge.

>A BS in EE is essentially worthless on its own since people simply don't expect a BSEE to know jack shit about anything beyond the most basic of basics.
The same with any other engineering degree. Everyone can get a BSc, but few have the drive to go further. So it might not be as bureaucratic as you might think.

I don't see MEs being really good at control theory or electromechanical design, especially motors. Keep in mind that I'm around Central-Western Europe though and electromechanical components are traditionally EE stuff here.


Apart from that every good engineer I know does research and/or builds shit apart from regular schoolwork. Don't blame the system that your idea of being an engineer is getting a BS.

Honestly, engineering is one of the most complex fields anyone can get into considering that you need to know the related applied physics and math to your field if you want to be good.
We actually have several books (a series) recommended to us which detail electrical phenomena from microscopic behavior (e.g. particle physics, quantum statistics, Electric discharge in gases, quantum mechanics, Richardson-Dushman equation and it's derivation, hall effect, gunn effect, semiconductor physics, lasers, optics) to macroscopic (how microscopic laws make the macroscopic behavior) and applied understanding. A good amount of that is required for any graduating EE.

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>>9084363
>Apart from that every good engineer I know does research and/or builds shit apart from regular schoolwork.

This is actually one of the biggest disadvantages of EE.

In CS, for example, anyone can sit down and just code shit as a side project and perhaps make a really solid product in just about any subfield, from OS to security to networking to algorithms to cryptography to computational geometry and more.

Let's say you're a EE that's into solid-state and semiconductors, or just even circuits. Better have your own toy fab to play around with, or get some serious money to tape out your own designs. Or maybe you're into RF/microwave. Well, oscilloscopes aren't exactly very cheap and easily accessible, especially as you go up the frequency spectrum. If you're into power maybe you can make a turbine for shits and giggles. But that's just messy as fuck and takes too much space.

The only side projects you can feasibly do in EE as a reasonably normal person are in control (like programming PIDs, or just shitty arduinos/raspberry pi) or digital signal processing. So basically programming.

There's a reason why hardware startups are few and far in between, you know.

>Don't blame the system that your idea of being an engineer is getting a BS.

Depends on the type of engineering you're talking about. If you count CS as engineering, then a BS is certainly sufficient. I know /sci/ loves to shit on code monkeys but the skill to income ratio is higher in web dev than any field in EE.

>>9083942
does this mean affirmative action favors whites in grad school EE or still no?

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>>9084449
I don't know much about other grad schools in EE, but at UIUC at least, the door is always open. Even the undergrad acceptance rate is 60%.

You just need to be crazy enough to actually bother spending 5 years, or perhaps more, to probably make less money than if you simply fucked off to something like CS or consulting.

The reason there are so many pajeets and chinks here is because they are just that crazy. Not because whites are being kicked out to make space for them, because pretty much no whites bother applying in the first place. They like heading to the coasts, not some shitty cornfield in the middle of nowhere.

>>9069766
Doesnt matter much. Just get good at analytical thinking and learn how to connect to people to make them want to help you. The latter is much more important than you probably think when you are young.

>>9069766
If you are really good at what you do everything in this thread is a bunch of bullshit. Lebron James didn't do a statistical analysis of his prospects in baseball/football/basketball.

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I'm finishing my physics undergrad with a minor in math and plan to do a second undergrad in Mech. Eng with a minor in CS (its only an additional two 2-2.5 years)

I don't have a shitty GPA and actually did research with my uni over the spring/summer but it wasn't really my thing and I feel grad school will just make me feel more unsure about the future.

Will I be able to get a decent tech job with those degrees? I have other experience and I could consider a masters in my future, however right now a masters feels like it would be more of the same and im already feeling burned out with physics and math.

sorry for turning this into /adv/, have some gym cringe courtesy of /fit/

Was in my first year of EE last year. I really did not like the electronic part, I loved the maths though. Physics were interesting as fuck. I decided to quit last February. I am now going to start Computer Science and Engineering in September. It really is Computer Science + Computer Engineering so for master's you can choose which side you want to pursue: CS or CE.

If you want to do EE you need to LOVE electronics or else it is not going to be a good time your u. Cheers.

>>9086886
But if you go into, say, power, for example, you won't have to deal with electronics in the following years my man.

>>9069766
EE = applied math + physics lel
That's why its fun

>>9069766
That's not NE you nigger

>>9087536
So physics is electrical engineering minus the applied math?

>>9069808
I don't know who you talked to, but my experience with people in general tells me that they are likely to discourage other people's plan to out achieve them.

>>9087536
> EE = physics lel XD

If you think physics = a bit of shitty electromagnetism, sure.

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>>9084463
I too, am a man of cuture

>>9077081
>What other engineering routinely involved gradient operators on electromagnetic fields and complex analysis?
>gradient operators
Pop up all the time in fluid dynamics and heat transfer
>complex analysis
Complex analysis is fundamental in the analysis of dynamical systems and mechanisms, and in the analysis of mechanical vibrations and more advanced thermodynamics systems.
>They all got to stop at DiffEQ and I had to keep going to pick up some more complex algebra, complex numbers, more vector stuff, etc.
Well, I had to take all that stuff plus linear algebra and tensor analysis.

>>9087811
Okay.

Now please, please tell me it's a viable option and not a meme option.

In general, what I'd like to do is mayor in both EE + Physics then get a Master and then get an engineering job.

If I like the engineering job, I'll just keep working and making money.

If I don't like the engineering job, I could get a PhD in Physics and then investigate or work in a lab or something related to Physics.

Do people actually do this or am I memeing? I know Paul Dirac had a mayor in EE but he didn't like working as an engineer, so he then turned to Math and Physics and you all know what happened then.

Hey guys I go to a pretty shit uni, so I was wondering if I should get a minor in physics or math, mechE, or CS? Seems a lot of the courses go hand in hand so I would be able to squeeze them in. Will this boost up my probability of landing a job besides internships and school projects?

What exactly is an engineering technologist and what's the difference between that and an engineering technician? My community college offers a bachelors degree in computer and electrical engineering technology, and due to my 21 year old self having no foresight, I'm ineligible to switch majors to my nearest university's real engineering program. I'm now 24 and tired of working a shitty job with just an associates degree.

It's either the technologist job or go be a math major at my university.

>>9088655
What is your major?

>>9088663
> I'm ineligible to switch majors to my nearest university's real engineering program.
You could always go back and start over. Most of your pre-reqs would be covered since you're a transfer.

>>9088607
He was born in a time where that was much more practical and a time where physics and engineering were SIGNIFICANTLY more comparable. My recommendation would be to get a bachelors in Physics and be the best at it, then do a masters in engineering. If you do two majors like that, both will suffer in terms of your knowledge and your grades, plain and simple. If you can ace a double major like that, then your school is low tier. "

Going from physics to engineering (bachelors -> masters) in terms of being able to get in and practical knowledge is much easier than the other way around.

And as long as you do a dissertation path for your masters as opposed to exams then you should be able to get into a phd program with ease so long as it is directly in line with your field.

Dont bog yourself down with two majors for no reason, pick one and stick with it. Use your extra time to decide what you want to do in the field. Because at the end of the day when you reach the masters level there is no such thing as doing "engineering" or "physics" or even "MechE" or "Nuclear Physics" You have to be even more specifically sure of what you want to study even within that subfield. So use your extra time and lack of double major to explore those opportunities. And if you really want then read textbooks in the field you end up not majoring in.

>>9088667
I transferred in as a bio major. A combination of 1 hour commute and having no car, as well as no actual passion for biology subsequently reduced my gpa to 1.8 and I got kicked out. I can apply to readmit but even if I get accepted I don't meet the requirements of their engineering program cause I have too many withdrawals. Math I can still get into.

>>9088674
Then start over if you really like engineering. You fucked up, but it is not the end of the world. Or do math, but there is sincerely no work for a bachelors math major beyond learning multiple programming languages on the side, becoming a teacher, or furthering your education.

>>9088674
Alternatively you could finish the subject you dont like, and then take some post-bachelors classes non-matriculated (not towards a masters). Ace the crap out of those and then you could be in good standing to do a masters in engineering.

>>9088677
I am just at a loss at what you mean by "start over". I would still need to be accepted into programs to continue. Universities aren't exactly clamoring to accept a 1.8gpa dropout. That's why I'm curious as to the community college's electrical and computer engineering technology degree. Whenever I look up bachelors in engineering technology I get results about engineering technicians, who apparently only need associates degrees.

>>9088697
well there's your answer

>>9069800
EE Physics double major here

You're right. EE is the best kind of engineering, and physics is the dopest shit overall.

>>9070920
Murray hill bell labs, by any chance?

>>9082663
Why is a semiconductor specialization problematic?

>>9087817
Never ever insult my waifu again.

>>9088715
That literally answered nothing. My question at hand is "what's the difference between a technician and technologist" and none of our discourse has remotely hinted at it

>>9088747
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

Any label for an associates is fairly meaningless. The only thing that counts is the classes you took and the information you learned. There is no such thing as a degree in any 4 year school as a technician or a technologist so equating it to anything is fruitless.

The only difference is the job title a particular company chooses to give you.

>>9088747
im not the guy you were talking to. but my point was that technicians get associates, and engineers get bachelors, so it sounds dumb to get a bachelors to be an technician. get a real BS, if not in engineering than in math/physics/CS, and you can still work as an "engineer" instead of technician

>>9088697
I mean apply to a new community college or 4 year fresh for a new bachelors or associates..

Sorry if this isn't the right thread for it, but does anybody know a good monochrome microlcd to use with an rpi? Something maybe 2cm x 2cm total with a reasonably high resolution? Also in green, not black. Alternatively a cheap full color panel?
Thanks

Currently in my 2nd year of EE in Yurop, doing an internship in the national electrical company, and when I see what the engineers's job consists of, it really gives me the feeling that I need to move on and find an other field to finish my studies

>>9080004
Those which reach America are the smart ones while shitty ones stay behind.

>>9088663
Is the german Meister actually a engineering technologist? They have this non-academic degree between a average electrician and the EE, they are even unsure how to call it internationally.

>>9089193
As electrican there are two options for you in Germany.

Either you make get a Meister title, which is more focused on the pratical skills of an Electrican, or become a Techniker which is more a between thing between electrican and engineer with a bigger focus on the engineering parts.

>>9088697
Apply to a different CC and this time, do it right and get a high gpa. Once you apply to transfer, talk to a councelor to help you weigh your gpa from both schools. If you can maintain a high gpa at a new CC, your gpa from both will drop that score, but hopefully still keep you at a high 2.0 to very low 3.0 range.

just keep in mind you have maintain at least a 3.5 or higher at ypur new cc. You should really vonsider retaking the classes you got Fs in at your old CC and those grades will replace the old ones(depending on your old ccs grading policy for retakes).

>>9088665
EE, like the title says.

>>9076963
This is true, and if you are choosing this major to do technical work, you will want to kill yourself.

>>9069766
I got a Ferrari with Gold Wheels with my EE degree from CCWU

[spoiler]They spin[/spoiler]

>>9077106
It seems like one of the harder engineering disciplines according to this list on Quora. That makes it more appealing to me and it appearently doesn't require heavy amounts of programming