Is IQ genetic?

No, all organisms have the same potential for high intelligence, regardless of genetic makeup.

>>9056922
Nature/Nurture

IQ is probably 70% genes, 30% conditioning

>>9056928

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>>9056922
It's more heritable than encoded in genetics, which are two separate things as everyone surely knows.

Now fuck off back to /pol/

>>9056934
>>9056922
It's 110% environmental.

If you starve a kid to death then its IQ will be 0 regardless of the genes so it's all about the surroundings.

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>>9056957

>You can make down syndrome kids be quantum physicists if you feed them right!!

>>9056957
studies of adopted twin separated at birth have shown it is 60℅ hereditary at the most conservative.

>>9056983
Yeah I'd want to see a 180 IQ toddler outsmart my hammer. Til that happens it's all environmental.

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>>9056989

The mental gymnastics you must be going through to justify your erroneous view of reality. Comparable to creationist, I wager.

>>9056991
>when i say environment i only mean one that suits my extremely specific conditions perfectly and NO deviation can be allowed or else what i said is false!!!!
I'M the one engaging in mental gymnastics, right?

>>9056998
>t. Brainlet

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>>9056928
true, I for one always keep an E. coli colony in my pocket to do my DEs for me

IQ is entirely genetic.

There are people born in slums who show themselves to be super smart. They are stunted in growth due to malnutrition but still smart as fuck.

Of course there is some environmental factors, but like with height it is mostly genetic and the environmental factors can only decrease your IQ, not increase it.

>>9057006
What if I dedicated my life to solving complex puzzles/problems, would that not increase my IQ since IQ tests are mostly pattern recognition?

>>9056957
>>9056989
>Enviromental factors can influence IQ
Yes, and? How do from this conclude that genetics aren't a factor at all when it comes to IQ?

It seems like you want that to be the case rather than provide any proper logic that supports your claim.

>>9057010
it would, since pattern recognition is a factor of intelligence

>>9057006
>There are people born in slums who show themselves to be super smart
>but their parent (who should also be super smart) never managed to get out of slums

Children with 2 teachers as parents are usually smarter and do better in school.
>Genetics are a factor
But so is enviroment in which you grow up
>http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982213008440

>>9057016
Being smart doesn't guarantee getting out of the slums. Did you think that being smart alone takes you out of the slums 100% of the time?

>>9057018
Yes, they are both factors. The genetic part is what causes discrepancies between different ethnic groups who live in essentially the same enviroment.

How much of your intelligence is determined by genetics is another question, but is clear that genes have a strong influence over an individuals intellect.

>>9057011
>genetics aren't a factor at all when it comes to IQ
>It seems like you want that to be the case rather than provide any proper logic that supports your claim.
Well then let me employ mathematics to demonstrate the reasoning:

First we must assume that when someone dies, their IQ becomes 0.

Second we must assume that no person alive has an IQ of 0.

Now let us assume IQ to be x and environment to be y.

x-y=0
(death by starvation removes 100% of a persons IQ)

That means there is no room for any other factor. If we were to add the factor for genetics, z, the formula would look as follows:

x+z-y=0.
(death by starvation still removes 100% of a persons IQ, regardless of z)

Clearly, therefore, I have shown now that z can not have any value for there exist no conditions whereby both x-y=0 and x+z-y=0 could be true other than z being 0.

>>9057022
>The genetic part is what causes discrepancies between different ethnic groups who live in essentially the same enviroment.
Where does this happen? Ethnic groups all have different environments, even in the most mixed cities.

>>9057034
different apititudes create difference conditions. brianlets do manual labor and retail with the other illiterates and the cognitive elite stay in their white collar safe space.

>>9057034
Nowhere are there 2 people that live in 100% identical enviroments (not even twins in the same family do). However all factors that can be deemed influential on an individuals intellectual development are essentially the same for individuals of different ethnic groups in modern society.

Yes culture is one factor that determines how intelligent an individual becomes, but there is no reason to believe that it is the sole determining factor of such a complex thing as intellect.

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>>9056998

Looks like your mom should have fed you better.

>>9057026
Genes are part of what causes death in an individual. Y must then contain both enviromental and genetical factors. Even with your purposefully shitty logic we can conclude that IQ is part hereditary.

>>9057048
>all factors that can be deemed influential on an individuals intellectual development are essentially the same for individuals of different ethnic groups in modern society.
Holy shit no, not at all. There are lots of environmental factors. So fucking many. I'm not saying genetics is not part of it, but any person benefits from improved environment, and there's so much room for improvement. Go see how schools run in the inner city for instance.

>>9057061
>but any person benefits from improved environment
Nobody is disputing this.

Of all the ethnic groups that live in the inner city, some will be smarter despite them all living there and going to the same shitty public schools.

>>9057056
Y contains strictly environmental factors.

Stop trying to change the goal. You were trying to prove that genetics plays a role in intelligence, not death.

>>9057075
Of course. But we need there to not be shitty public schools among many other problems if we want to improve outcomes for minorities. Race realists will say you can't improve their outcome, which is bullshit.

>>9056922
IQ IS NOT A REAL THING

>>9056934
>IQ is probably 70% genes, 30% conditioning
>this is true because I feel like it's true.
Fuck off retard

>>9057094
>Fuck off retard

Hit a nerve?

>>9057096

On yourself.

>>9057096
Yeah, You weren't even wrong
Fuck off retard

>Lurks through comments
>Only one person supports their argument with a source

Jesus Christ /sci/

>>9056957
Bullcrap, /sci/ is proof you are born smart or stupid there is no choice.

The difference between being an apple and a porcupine is genetic

>>9056989
But why are then rich blacks then still dumb as monkeys

>>9057015
What else would, please respond, its extremely important

>>9057093
it's no more real than mathematics
there is no gene in the body that says "this person has an IQ of 100" if that's what you mean
do you wish to imply that a statistical metric used to measure someone's fluid intelligence doesn't exist?
if so, lol

>>9057090
>Race realists will say you can't improve their outcome
No they don't. Why are you even on /sci/ when you just argue against your shitty strawmen?

>>9056938
>reddit spacing
>bacteria is just as smart as anyone else, it just needs more opportunities

when did /sci/ become /minority IQ/? Who cares, you're a fool if you think you can't put any random black kid in a culture/environment that values science and math and he'd be far better at them then another kid, from a different ethnicity, thats glorifies over priced shoes and basketball.

>>9057177
The same reason rich whites are still dumb as monkeys

>>9056922
>is intelligence genetic
Idk anon go ask a lizard if they can do algebra.

HIDE PSYCHOLOGY THREADS
IGNORE PSYCHOLOGY POSTS
DO NOT REPLY TO PSYCHOLOGIST POSTERS

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>>9056922
The thing about genetic expression is that you have predispositions to many things that never wind up coming to light.

That's to say, your genes aren't all in use all the time. Your genes will effectively turn on and off during your lifetime based on environmental factors. For instance, many genetic diseases only show up later in life, but this can be sped up through drug use. Changing genetic expressions can also be seen more commonly in hair color and eye color, even before pubescence. Behavioral expressions and, yes, IQ can be reasonably associated with genetic predisposition, but it's not one pretty number like >>9056934 says. People with more intense environments will be more harshly shaped by those environments and are more likely to have the conditioning factors add up. A child can go through some screwed up warzone experiences and wind up just as psychotic as a child who already had a sociopathic genetic predisposition and was locked out of his house one time.

>>9057194
I've literally heard it before. Just my experience.

>>9056983
>implying the root cause of downs is not environmental in nature

>>9057003
Debatable: A.
Highly debatable: 2.
Objectively incorrect: 6.
Unproven: 6A, 6C.

>>9057003
>Using a single paper to confirm each point
try looking at the entire body of literature instead

>>9057247
They aren't my poor commie friend, its why they got you buy your boipussy

>>9057018
Doesn't mean it's causal, the father who skips town or the mother who fucks a guy who would skip town would be naturally dumber right?

>>9057240
>a literal retard
Relative to someone of other culture doesn't mean anything when compared to his white peers who outperform him infinitely

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>>9056928
>a fish has the same potential for high intelligence as a human

>>9056928
This. I taught my dog calculus.

>>9057179
bump

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>>9056922

>tfw most people on /sci/ don't understand that statistics about heritability has nothing to do when people ask about IQ being genetic.
>tfw people think 50% genetic means 50% of their individual IQ is due to genes.
>tfw people don't know that heritability statistics only concern variation in a population.
>tfw when people dont know you can't decompose an individual person's IQ into percentages of environment and genetics because each of these inputs to whatever ontogeny you talk about is completely interactional.
>tfw when people on /sci/ use anecdotes of individual people "super smart but living in shit" to counter statistics about heritability when as said above, this doesn't make sense.
>tfw people don't understand that heritability estimates are completely dependent on the attributes of the population you look at i,e. they are relative and change easily based on who you are looking at, where they are, how old they are etc.
>tfw people don't understand that heritability has no necessary baring on how changeable a trait is.

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>>9056922
Nigger culture is toxic

>>9056922
Not at all, synaptic connections and long term potentiation is defined very little by genetics but a lot by the environment, this is where the famous synaptic pruning kicks in which is what actually determines how "smart" a person is.

Also as an interesting note... aberrant synaptic pruning is used as the best current model to explain pathologies as schizophrenia and severe bipolar disease.

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>>9056957
>if you murder someone they can't think
>this somehow proves a point
Really makes me think, until someone kills me that is.

>>9056957
lol wut?

>>9057643

Interestingly, synaptic pruning has nothing to do with genes >(?)

>>9057643

Interestingly, schizophrenia is one of the few mental illnesses without an infamous hereditary component.

>>9057671
No, incorrect quoting. I never said it has nothing to do with it. of course as everything it has something to do with genetics but what is as important as genetics is the environmental changes that certain individual experiences during its development and it is common sense come on... if you educate someone he will be smarter than someone who hasn't been educated, it is not rocket science at all.

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What does this mean?

>>9057687
>>9057687
sorry, i simply inferred that when you answered the question "is iq genetic" with "no, not at all".

> of course as everything it has something to do with genetics but what is as important as genetics is the environmental changes that certain individual experiences during its development and it is common sense come on...

really didn't come across in your original post especially with the "synaptic connections has nothing to with genes bit".

>if you educate someone he will be smarter than someone who hasn't been educated, it is not rocket science at all.

i didn't actually say anything about this topic.

>>9057691
Opression knows no bounds.

>>9057687
Traducir

You just can't say that any physiological process depends solely on genetics or solely on the environment. If you study biology long enough you will realize that it is not just black or white but grayish. Everything is in perfect interaction, if not then you get sick and die.

>>9057701
well this was a big fail...

>>9057696
I agree... I was quite vague in my original post I do apologize

>>9056934

And wealthy people will always have near perfect conditioning so that really only applies to poor and middle class people with shitty lives. Though the wealthy have IQs 115 on average, I think it would be 105 if they were born poor (compared to 90 average). So if your IQ is 115 and you were born poor, you are likely much smarter than any rich person, you were just born into the wrong environment.

>>9057697
>Being opressed makes you stupid
Even if that was the case, there is no major oppressions that effect entire ethnic groups in the western world, quite the contrary.

>>9057016

Retard parents can occasionally, very rarely give birth to geniuses. Also, this >>9057020. Environmental conditions like a recession or depression can also trap you into poverty. Not to mention some people with IQ's of 140 become bums, though I'd say 9/10 of those bums are due to genetics, but that 1/10 are due to environmental factors. Genetics are definitely dominate, but people should not exclude environment.


Also, can we ban IQ posting on /sci/, I admit it's a guilty pleasure, but it's such a brainlet thing to care about IQ and not real science.

>>9057901

what do you mean 9/10 are due to genetics? so they were suddenly born homeless and made no decisions or came into any situations that led them to that position?

>>9057876
Hah you're a funny guy

>>9057026
>assuming the relationship is linear

Why the obsession with black people?
I know this is a shitposting thread but why do idiots obssess over shit solely for the reason to shit on blacks?

>>9057986
for people who lack personal accomplishment, they must create inherent accomplish

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yes to an extent

no matter how much I study I am never going to be as intelligent as this man

>>9057997

Alexander Grothendieck

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>>9056922
Definitely more than 80% genetic.

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>>9057991
>making assumptions about someones accomplishments and motives based on their choice of scientific discussion

>>9058030
Grothendieck had a rare intuition of the generality of math that many others lacked..

It's true that he worked insane hours (often 20) a day, but he had a certain intuition that others lacked, that allowed him to look at math problems differently

rather that be a skill learned from genetics or environment is unknown, but i don't believe Grothendieck's intelligence was the result of purely enviromental factors, remember that he lived in poverty, in refugee camps his whole childhood

>>9056922
>Is IQ genetic?
Does it matter? Since we don't know what environmental factors, if any exist, that can be used to increase intelligence, then in practical terms it might as well be completely genetic (of course, some environmental factors such as abuse or malnutrition can decrease intelligence)

>>9058052
>but he had a certain intuition that others lacked, that allowed him to look at math problems differently

That intuition came from his experience.

>>9057973
Not only that, Im correct too

>>9058097
But there were other mathematicians who were just as experienced but didn't accomplish anywhere near what grothy did

>>9057962

As an example could be 9/10 genetics, meaning despite having high IQ their genetics might have caused them to make decisions resulting in homelessness. Just trying to appease the fags in this thread who don't believe in unlucky situations, more fairly it's probably 5/10 with it slightly leaning towards genetics.

>>9056934
This is a gross oversimplification. Nuture and nature play off of each other. In other words certain upbringings could make my genes stand out more or less. It's not a fixed percentage.

>>9056934

Its 80% genes, 20% random biological noise and dumb luck. Environmental factors have little to know measured influence on most traits, including IQ.

>>9058155
9/10 of what? 10 what?

>>9056957
>genius babies die if you dont feed them
>that means they have 0 IQ and its all environmental
whoa

>>9058434
9/10 genetics

>>9056928
FPBP as usual. That's why I taught my Reeses monkey how to complete intro calc II equations

>>9057576
You're implying a lot of interesting facts. Could you please elaborate or point to a reputable source that does?
>>9057619
/pol/:
>Nigger culture is destroying black communities through its glorification of violence and greed. (They also talk a lot about media brainwashing and stuff like that)
Also /pol/:
>Don't be stupid, videogames (and other media) don't cause me to be sexist (or racist or whatever), there's no proof for it and (inser anecdote or something).
I never understood this meme. Can anyone explain?
>>9057643
>Not at all, synaptic connections and long term potentiation is defined very little by genetics but a lot by the environment, this is where the famous synaptic pruning kicks in which is what actually determines how "smart" a person is.
What are the implications of what you're saying when it comes to intelligence?

>>9058653
actual /pol/:
>Nigger culture is destroying nigger culture because they are niggers
Also /pol/:
>Niggers
You don't understand it because of how poorly you represented it to start with

>>9057576
>tfw people think that how heritable IQ is means the same thing as difference races have different heritability for IQ

>>9058712
Actual /pol/:
>science is liberal brainwashing! Climate change is a hoax! Down with renewables, Trump will bring back coal!
>Science is a liberal conspiracy! They are hiding the truth about race!

>I don't understand genetics... but these infographs I poorly understand support me! Only I am smart enough to interpret these scientific papers. I can't possible be that I am dumb and reading them wrong. Science is a conspir... I mean science is on OUR side!

>>9058761
>science is liberal brainwashing!
soft sciences are open to liberal brainwashing based on who funds the research
>hiding the truth about race!
yes, now that you mention it, it is ridiculous that soft sciences aren't allowed to upset the status quo. Meanwhile hard research is actively forbidden
>i don't understand genetics..
yes, you have made that painfully obvious

>>9058774
>Meanwhile hard research is actively forbidden
No research is forbidden. We've been studying human genetics and evolution ever since we able to start sequencing DNA. We just don't get the answers that you want, but science doesn't care about your emotional beliefs about skin color.

>>9056922
I intuit that your maximum-possible-IQ is genetically determined, and a large number of environmental factors can lower it both short-term and long-term.

>>9058779
>t. guy who has never had to apply for a research grant

>>9058787
The truth is simple. The science doesn't say what you want it to. Instead of learning the science, you just claim it's a big scary conspiracy. You are just choosing to be willfully ignorant. If you care about human genetics so much, get an education on it.

>>9057259
>IQ can be reasonably associated with genetic predisposition, but it's not one pretty number

I'll hedge my bets on this one, if only because there's no pulling numbers out of one's ass.

>>9058792
>if you care about subject, point your career in a direction that it will be institutionally ignored!
You haven't refuted a thing, the science is about as clear as it can be while still taking into account environmental factors. Niggers (you) are generally dumber. Deal with it subhuman

>>9057576
>tfw most people on /sci/ don't understand that statistics about heritability has nothing to do when people ask about IQ being genetic.

>Heritability is a statistic used in breeding and genetics works that estimates how much variation in a phenotypic trait in a population is due to genetic variation between individuals in that population.

>>9057973
Dude the Jews have been oppressed pretty bad, how come they have an IQ of 115?

>>9058761
Pol may be completely retarded when it comes to lot of things but they're not wrong about race and IQ. I don't know how familiar you are with intelligence research but there is a very good case to be made that a large part of the variation is due to genetics

>>9058653
>I never understood this meme. Can anyone explain?

Niggers act out like gangster rapers unironically and style their lives accordingly.
Whites don't act like Kratos unless it's Halloween and they do so ironically.

inB4
>No no no, it's obviously a white supremacy Illuminati conspiracy to disproportionately disenfranchises the innocent black babies of the world that reaches the highest levels of governance that 100% of white people are in on. You only think that sounds crazy because your white privilege is blinding you. White people can't be anything other than racist by definition.

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>>9059127
An interesting read.
>Dude the Jews have been oppressed pretty bad, how come they have an IQ of 115?
Read "Natural History of Ashkenazi Intelligence" if you haven't, they hypothesize that they're intelligent exactly because they were oppresed. Don't really know what's the modern consensus on the paper though.

Would it be fair to say that IQ is entirely genetic, and that environment only plays a role in the actualization of one's potential?

I mean, obviously even the most advantageous environment can't turn a retard into a genius, but it could ensure a genius realizes their potential.

>>9058426
>know

avg. IQ in Africa is 80 while avg. IQ in Europe and N America is 105

It's OBVIOUSLY about the environment

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>>9059162
Ok, I'll go over all of those one by one.

>1. Flynn effect
IQ tests measure a lot of things, but most of the IQ gains have been gained in non-G-loaded tests (G is known as general intelligence, which seems to be mostly influenced by genetics). The cause of this effect is a matter of debate but even if the gains would be in G, it still wouldn't overrule partly genetic theory of intelligence. No serious person is a genetic determinist, environment can and does affect intelligence to some degree (as do genetics).

>2. 1st world - Africa gap
Again, I don't think any serious person would argue that that is completely down to genetics. Of course Africans have to deal with things that depress their IQ, such as abuse and malnutrition. But the thing is, gaps in IQ remain even in 1st world nations. And when I said that these gaps are unchangeable, I mostly meant 1st world nations. Last, you have to consider gene-environment interaction. If the premise is that Africans are stupid, then you would also assume that the societies they build would also be backwards, meaning that they would be more likely to suffer from stuff like malnutrition.

>3. Some immigrant groups have a high IQ
This proves nothing. You would have to prove that these immigrant groups are a representative sample. Intelligence follows a normal distribution: obviously not every African is stupid. Simply by the law of normal distribution some of them are going to be very intelligent. Now if you have a selective immigration policy, that would explain the differences. Or consider the following example: let's assume that the US will only let in Swedes who have an IQ of over 130 points (or they select by education which is a proxy for intelligence). Given this selection process, you would expect that Swedes in the US have an average IQ of over 130 points. Does this mean that all Swedes have an average IQ of 130? Of course not, you simply selected the subset that does

1/2

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>>9059311
2/2

But I have to admit, it would be interesting to see how the IQs of immgirants to Europe is changing. It would be interesting to do these tests but we can't because of raycissm

>4. Adoption studies
Adoption studies do indeed show that the adoptees intelligence does reflect the intelligence of the adoptive parents, but only in childhood. In adulthood this effect has completely vanished and the IQ correlates almost completely with the IQ of biological parents. So in practice almost all adoption studies support the genetic interpretation.

>5. Eyferth study of black American servicemen and German women
Again, this is in no way contradictory to the genetic explanation. The US army filters it's servicemen by using an IQ test, and they do not allow in people with an IQ of less than 85. If you do the maths, assuming that blacks of all ranges of intelligence enlist equally, you would expect the average IQ of black servicemen to be around 93. Now if you assume that the German women have an average IQ of 100, then you'd expect that the children of those people would have an IQ of 96,5 (if you're going purely by mathematical averages). Eyferth found in his study that those kids did, in fact, have an average IQ of 97. Completely in line with genetic explanation. I'd have to look up those two other studies but I doubt that they will be any more conclusive.

Dude do you seriously believe that IQ has no genetic component? If so, then how would explain the fact that Jews are doing so well? How is this possible?

Also, if you want to read about evidence for the genetic case you can look here: http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2017/01/07/race-and-iq-the-case-for-genes/

>>9059313
>If so, then how would explain the fact that Jews are doing so well? How is this possible?
>jews
>not ashkenazi jews
>not inheriting intelligence from whites
>not being forced and shoehorned everywhere with their extreme nepotism just to have barely better iq than normal non-studying white people
I agree with you about most other things but this is completely wrong

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>>9056922
Absolutely

>>9056957
But if everybody starves their kid they will all have IQ at 100. IQ is dependent on the average.

>>9059877
It amazes me how /pol/ openly accepts race and IQ whenever it fits their narrative but then completely rejects it when it refutes their antisemitic theories (how does someone live with that much cognitive dissonance?). Yes, Jewish people are over-represented in many places. However there is zero evidence that there is some kind of colluding, nepotism or anything like that. They gained those positions by merit (115 average IQ). Likewise there is zero evidence the Jews are in any way malicious towards others. Mere over-representation doesn't prove that there is some kind of conspiracy.

It's kinda like the black supremacists who blame evil whitey for everything and claim that ancient black Egyptians invented everything and evil whitey just stole it from them

>>9060169
Hello my ashkenazi friend, let me explain it to you simply since youre too thick and emtional
>there is zero evidence that there is some kind of colluding, nepotism or anything like that.
Jews being removed from 109 countries for being tribalists isn't enough? Jews always favor jews and jews only even if they are the first to talk about diversity and accepting. You can see for yourself how anti-refugee and palestinian they are in their own country. And while we talk about the country the native jews have lmao 90iq. Now look at people like Barbara Spectre and a lot of Israel people who openly advocate for white genocide and are in position in power. In zionism they even feel happy if they are hated because then they can then unite even better. Its insane hypocritic stuff.
>It's kinda like the black supremacists who blame evil whitey for everything and claim that ancient black Egyptians invented everything and evil whitey just stole it from them
Is it like that though, you fucking faggot? Jews only travel to other countries, they don't have a proper one and when they go to another host country they try to destroy it simple on the fact that the host country holds morals while the jews don't. It is always that when a country is polluted with jews it it gets degenerated(weimar germany).

>>9061208
Ok, it seems like this is going off-topic but I'll address this anyway

>Hello my ashkenazi friend
I'm not Jewish, but I know you will never believe me. You will never believe me because this is the only way the world makes sense to you. The only reason anyone would reject your unfounded theories is because they are da ebil joos

>Jews being removed from 109 countries for being tribalists isn't enough?
Even if I were to accept that as the truth, what does that prove, other than that Jews have been persecuted?

>Jews always favor jews and jews only even if they are the first to talk about diversity and accepting
Almost everybody in the past several decades have been pushing for this multiculti stuff. It isn't exclusive to Jews

>And while we talk about the country the native jews have lmao 90iq
Only Ashkenazi Jews have an IQ of 115. Haredim, Mizrahi etc. Jews have lower IQs, which brings down the average. What of it?

>Now look at people like Barbara Spectre and a lot of Israel people who openly advocate for white genocide and are in position in power
Ok, one Jewish politician is apparently a hypocrite. How does this prove that A: there's a grand Jewish conspiracy and B: they're working against their societies in a malicious way

>Is it like that though, you fucking faggot?
wow dude no need to get emotional. But yeah it's exactly like that.

>Jews only travel to other countries, they don't have a proper one and when they go to another host country they try to destroy it simple on the fact that the host country holds morals while the jews don't. It is always that when a country is polluted with jews it it gets degenerated(weimar germany).
Feel free to back these claims up, I'll wait

But I guess none of this stuff will ever make a difference to you. For you this is not an article of fact, but an article of faith. All you know is that you haet da joos and nothing will ever change that, will it?

>>9060159
That still proves that it's all environmental.

>>9061599
>reddit spaces
Yep, the cuckposters have taken over here too
>You will never believe me because this is the only way the world makes sense to you. The only reason anyone would reject your unfounded theories is because they are da ebil joos
What are you even trying to say, nobody other than the jews themselves or some really brainwashed goy would defend them.
>Even if I were to accept that as the truth, what does that prove, other than that Jews have been persecuted?
Confirmed that we need a better captcha as to weed turbo brainlets who can't make a basic analysis or is pretending too
>Almost everybody in the past several decades have been pushing for this multiculti stuff. It isn't exclusive to Jews
They are ahead of every multiculturalism organisation and after decaded of normalising it of course people would think it is normal.
>What of it?
>non-white jews are retarded
>what of it
Yep you're clearly a complete retard I don't think it is worth to converse with you.
>Feel free to back these claims up, I'll wait
>posted him weimar germany as the most recent phenomenon
Yep you can't even read
>For you this is not an article of fact, but an article of faith.
But it shows that when you accept the judean forced morals your country gets destroyed, don't know how more factual you can get than that

>>9061788
>durr reddit spaces

Holy fuk ur retarded. Pls go.

>>9061799
>we iz da 4chun postaz now
Yep

>>9061788
>reddit spaces
Fucking hell, I've never been to Reddit, and I've been on 4chains longer than you've been here. And now I get these fucking summer fags going about muh reddit spacing because I don't write like a retard

>What are you even trying to say, nobody other than the jews themselves or some really brainwashed goy would defend them.
Yes, the only real independent thoughtful thing is the haet da joos. Joos be keeping whitey down yo

>Confirmed that we need a better captcha as to weed turbo brainlets who can't make a basic analysis or is pretending too
Again, a complete non-argument. I know I hurt your feelings by questioning your retarded worldview but try to contain your feefees

>They are ahead of every multiculturalism organisation
Source? And even if they are, so what? Multiculturalism bullshit has been mainstream for a long time and Jews are ahead of a lot of organizations (meritocracy)

>and after decaded of normalising it of course people would think it is normal.
How do you know that Jews pushed it on us? How do you know that they aren't doing it because they learned it from us?

>posted him weimar germany as the most recent phenomenon
Ok, show me the "degenerate culture" in Weimar Germany. Show me the evidence that it was caused by Jews. Go on, feel free to bring facts to the table

>But it shows that when you accept the judean forced morals your country gets destroyed, don't know how more factual you can get than that
Sure, that statement sounds very well sourced and objective. Well done sire

Look man I get that you stormniggers are angry but you don't belong here. You're an idiot, you spout off your conspiracies even though you can't prove any of it. You're literally the niggers of the white race. Why are you even here you brainlet? You can't make coherent arguments or provide evidence for your claims. You're literally too stupid to engage is serious discussion

>>9056922
The question is wrong.
The correct question would be "how much does allelic variation contributes to the variance in IQ of a specific population?"
In the west, the answer to that question is among adults around 70%.

eugenics is very important. You can end up with duds by marrying the wrong person.
The rich in society practice eugenics subconsciously, this explains why some families have a knack for ending up at Oxford, Harvard etc. That and money = biased coin in their favor.

>>9061808
>Fucking hell, I've never been to Reddit, and I've been on 4chains longer than you've been here. And now I get these fucking summer fags going about muh reddit spacing because I don't write like a retard
Kek of course you have been longer you fucking reddit subhuman, people like you should be shot in the streets on sight.
>I know I hurt your feelings by questioning your retarded worldview but try to contain your feefees
But am I the one asking you questions and you can't answer them. And when I show you proof for your questions you say what that has to do with them being malicious even though I just proved it, unreal.
>Source?
Isi Leibler is just one of it I wont spoonfeed your newfaggot ass, he is also a isreal defender.
>And even if they are, so what
So no matter what they are never wrong?
>Multiculturalism bullshit has been mainstream for a long
Yep especially jews starting it by even making the fallacity of calling someone on a racists because he disagrees with you(trotsky).
> (meritocracy)
But if meritocracy happened jews would starve to death. They are usually the one getting in jail for finance frauds and making money of every thing related to culture or humans history that otherwise normal people wouldn't think of doing since it is wrong
>degenerate culture" in Weimar Germany
http://www.worldcat.org/title/degeneration-and-revolution-radical-cultural-politics-and-the-body-in-weimar-germany/oclc/906026168
>Sure, that statement sounds very well sourced and objective. Well done sire
I showed you who caused it and you accepted it but still say that I'm the one who is wrong?
>You're literally the niggers of the white race. Why are you even here you brainlet? You can't make coherent arguments or provide evidence for your claims. You're literally too stupid to engage is serious discussion
So I call you for being a subhuman and then you call me a subhuman using the same slurs even though I'm the opposite of you, you're clearly mentally ill

>>9056922
you can answer that question just by replacing iq with height

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>>9061826
>And when I show you proof for your questions you say what that has to do with them being malicious even though I just proved it, unreal.
And what proof have you shown me? The only thing you've said was the Weimar thing but you merely stated it, while providing zero evidence

>Isi Leibler is just one of it I wont spoonfeed your newfaggot ass, he is also a isreal defender
Oh wow so now we have what, a grand total of two anecdotes? Well fuck me let's start up the gas chambers then

>So no matter what they are never wrong?
Is it possible that they genuinely believe that they are doing a good thing? That they are not evil by nature but simply misinformed?

>Yep especially jews starting it by even making the fallacity of calling someone on a racists because he disagrees with you(trotsky)
So Trotsky started all of this? The word "racist" didn't hold much weight before WW2. The reason why it became such a taboo is because after the WW2, Allies saw the gas chambers and they were horrified. They were horrified and so they rejected racism and that's how it became a taboo (don't tell me that you're also a holocaust denier?)

>But if meritocracy happened jews would starve to death. They are usually the one getting in jail for finance frauds and making money of every thing related to culture or humans history that otherwise normal people wouldn't think of doing since it is wrong
Again, a claim with no evidence

>I showed you who caused it and you accepted it but still say that I'm the one who is wrong?
I didn't accept it. You claimed this and I asked for evidence, which you could not provide

>So I call you for being a subhuman and then you call me a subhuman using the same slurs even though I'm the opposite of you, you're clearly mentally ill
I never claimed that you're a subhuman. I claimed that you're an idiot. You're a low IQ brainlet

>>9061843
>And what proof have you shown me? The only thing you've said was the Weimar thing but you merely stated it, while providing zero evidence
I posted you a link of a whole book for you too read you fucking monogoloid this is my last post since you have the reading comprehension of a 10years old
>Oh wow so now we have what, a grand total of two anecdotes?
>two
>cant even count
I said other jews but once again you can't read and you can find the information easily yourself, why do you want me to spoonfeed you, you have not prepared yourself.
>That they are not evil by nature but simply misinformed?
So after all the proof you say that they just don't know they are doing bad. What about Zionism then do tell me are they not aware of their doings now too? That thing is something that jews in most take as most important is the talmud too good even though it is as tribalistic as it gets?
>You're a low IQ brainlet
But you cant, read nor think how can you claim for others to be low iq. bye

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>>9061852
>I posted you a link of a whole book for you too read you fucking monogoloid this is my last post since you have the reading comprehension of a 10years old
Sure I ordered it and read it in 30 minutes. Case closed

>I said other jews but once again you can't read and you can find the information easily yourself, why do you want me to spoonfeed you, you have not prepared yourself
Ah, so I have to immerse myself in anti-semitic theories before we can even discuss this?

>So after all the proof you say that they just don't know they are doing bad. What about Zionism then do tell me are they not aware of their doings now too?
So you think that Zionism, or the idea the Jews should have their homeland in Israel, is a bad thing? If you hate the Jews so much wouldn't you want them to go to Israel?

>That thing is something that jews in most take as most important is the talmud too good even though it is as tribalistic as it gets?
Ok, and how many Jews are religious? In Israel or in the US?

I'm still curious, are you also a holocaust denier? Have you seen the footage from the concentration camps? What is your opinion on that stuff? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmhxHPsxYRc

>>9061688
No, it doesn't, you don't understand shit about the subject.

>>9060169
>it amazes me how *strawman*. Clearly, how can't they tell that *strawman* is obviously wrong?

>>9056957
Sorry, rural retards, the science is settled. Liberal logic wins again.

>>9059214
>obviously even the most advantageous environment can't turn a retard into a genius
Just as obviously, a disadvantageous environment can turn a genius into a retard. So no.

>>9061923
It actually could tho....

>>9061933
>what is fetal alcohol syndrome
>what is lead poisoning
already long proven to stunt brain development in children

Don't forget malnutrition either, here's 1 example

Moleti Mariacarla, Trimarchi Francesco, et. al. Thyroid. February 2016, 26(2): 296-305. https://doi.org/10.1089/thy.2015.0336
>Overall, the prevalence of borderline or defective cognitive function was more than threefold higher in the children of mothers not using iodized salt than of those mothers using it (76.9% vs. 23.1%, odds ratio 7.667 [CI 2.365–24.856], χ2=12.65; p=0.0001).

A lack of cognitive stimulation can also stunt brain development.

Yousafzai, Aisha K et al. Effects of responsive stimulation and nutrition interventions on children's development and growth at age 4 years in a disadvantaged population in Pakistan: a longitudinal follow-up of a cluster-randomised factorial effectiveness trial. The Lancet Global Health , Volume 4 , Issue 8 , e548 - e558 http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/S2214-109X(16)30100-0
>1302 mother–child dyads were re-enrolled between Jan 1, 2013, and March 31, 2013, all of whom were followed up at 4 years of age. Children who received responsive stimulation (with or without enhanced nutrition) had significantly higher cognition, language, and motor skills at 4 years of age than children who did not receive responsive stimulation.