Prime Minister of Australia says he can beat the laws of math

What a tard lmao

kekkle for shekkle

>>9036822
>On Friday, the government unveiled plans to introduce legislation this year that would force internet companies to assist law enforcement in decrypting messages sent with end-to-end encryption.
>Turnbull has repeatedly stated the country is not interested in backdoors.
> "A back door is typically a flaw in a software program that perhaps the -- you know, the developer of the software program is not aware of and that somebody who knows about it can exploit," he said. "And, you know, if there are flaws in software programs, obviously, that's why you get updates on your phone and your computer all the time."
>"So we're not talking about that. We're talking about lawful access."
This is genuinely hilarious. What a chimp. He doesn't get it.

But you know, he's been talking to people who do, and the key is here:
>The package will also contain authority for the Australian Federal Police to "remotely monitor computer networks and devices", a power currently possessed by the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation, and force handset makers to help authorities break into devices they sell.
This is about forcing Apple, Samsung, etc. to give access to anything useful to break into seized smartphones.

It's not really about "end-to-end encryption", it's about storage encryption, with short, fast-access passcodes.

I thought jews were supposed to be smart.

>>9036822
Holy shit I just heard this news on the radio (inb4 oldfag) and spent like 5 minutes in my car yelling at how stupid it was, come home and there's a thread on /sci/

>>9036822
>The laws of mathematics are very commendable, but the only law that applies in Australia is the law of Australia
what a madman

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>>9036822
>The laws of mathematics are very commendable, but the only law that applies in Australia is the law of Australia.
He actually said this, holy shit

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>http://www.zdnet.com/article/the-laws-of-australia-will-trump-the-laws-of-mathematics-turnbull/
>australia-will-trump-the-laws-of-mathematics

>Trump the laws of math

Does this mean they'll make loud, bold, narcissistic claims about math and then have nothing to back them up with?

>>9037320
Wut? Do you know there's a word in English Language called "trump"? or Is your preoccupied with the person "Donald Trump" that you have to bring him to every possible discussion?

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I recall a fair number of Australians managing nLab, so it's not completely out of the question that Australia upends ZFC and replaces it with some kind of categorical or type-theoretic foundation (we already know how to translate between the various formulations anyway, so the choice of which one to use is simply a matter of convention).

I've probably drunk too much of the computational trinitarianism kool-aid, but I can legitimately envision a near-future where mathematics and programming are completely integrated under the umbrella of formalism (if only on the "back-end"), and if the integrated system is type-safe, then it would alleviate a lot of security concerns.

Holy shit, I can't believe this is real. You aussies are mad daft cunts, you know that?
>>9037320
>>9037806
Both of these posts are low quality and reek of autism. Please fuck off.

> Although the details of the law have yet to be fully revealed, critics of the legislation argue that what the government is asking for is impossible, unless it involves weakening encryption to the point where non-government forces will also be able to snoop on everyone's private conversations. Some might consider this an acceptable price to pay, but the government prefers to argue it can have its cake and eat it too.

>>9036822
>australia

Legal shithole.

Also, a "backdoor" is put there specifically for use by devs or whoever. It isn't an exploit. An exploit is a bug that can be exploited and is normally fixed in an update. If they are brute forcing the encryption to break it then it is neither a backdoor or exploit. I'm not sure why they'd need the phone company's help with that. Anyone can do it, """with enough time""', or if they happen to get lucky pretty quick. Just because it would take a million or billion years to go through all possible combinations doesn't mean it will need to go through all of them. It only needs to go through enough to get to the right one. That could be the very first try or the very last try. That's a difference between instant and forever with complete randomness in the middle.

If a government is publicly going to this length then they should just force companies to make a backdoor specifically for them. It would save a shit load of resources.

>"Last Wednesday, I met with the chief cryptographer at GCHQ ... and he assured me this was feasible," he said.

Oh, yes, of course, and it will cost you $30 an hour......heh. *rubs hands togeter*

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Coming up next: Australian minister for Health looks to overturn Newton's laws of gravitation to help reduce injuries and deaths from falls.

>>9037849
>Oh, yes, of course, and it will cost you $30 an hour......heh. *rubs hands togeter*
So literally nothing?

> Under questioning from journalists, Turnbull gave his definition of a backdoor.
>"A back door is typically a flaw in a software program that perhaps the -- you know, the developer of the software program is not aware of and that somebody who knows about it can exploit," he said. "And, you know, if there are flaws in software programs, obviously, that's why you get updates on your phone and your computer all the time."
>"So we're not talking about that. We're talking about lawful access."
Oh god what the fuck. This guy should be flipping burgers somewhere, not screwing up countries.

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>>9036822

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am i missing something ? how can ISPs help decrypt your shit ?
from what i understand all they can snitch to the cops is who you're communicating with if you dont use TOR and if you do only how much\when you're communicating .

also shouldn't this be the other way around ? as in banning all communication with subpar encryption especially for commercial services . and having cops that sue you if they manage to crack your encryption ?.

Here are some highlights from doing telecommunications interception for the Australian Federal Police:

>Listening to a family of drug smugglers argue about their broken vacuum cleaner to the point of absurdity on a daily basis for nearly two weeks straight

>A suspected terrorist whose Internet activity was nothing but yaoi outside of school hours

>A dude I was monitoring one night shift who was up until 3 in the morning watching nothing but Seinfeld and lesbian porn

>Guy who literally said "I heard some static so I think this call is being tapped, call me on xxxxxxxxxx instead"

Getting into encrypted devices would be sweet but I doubt it's any more amusing than the shit you see people doing on their PC or saying over the phone.

>>9037902
>Guy who literally said "I heard some static so I think this call is being tapped, call me on xxxxxxxxxx instead"

top kek

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Does that GCHQ comment unnerve anyone?

Like I'm sure it's just this attorney-general fuck misunderstanding something he was told, but what if instead it was him messing up and blurting confidential stuff? GCHQ is probably the agency with the soundest math expertise in the world. It's one of the very few things the brits are still the best at, legacy of bletchley park and oxbridge's academic pull. It's half the reason that US intelligence is really into 5 eyes and everything

I could imagine some kind of novel near-to-but-not-totally secure tech being forced on all the big US-based companies by some NSA morons.

He's the biggest fraud. He owned some ISP and sold it right before the dot com boom and paints himself as some sort of tech genius for it but he knows literally nothing. He's all business investments, ex-Goldman Sachs partner.

>>9037869
Considering it would take literally 100s of years, that's a shit load of cash you can get for doing literally nothing at all. It is the perfect job.

>>9037960
I mean bust

>>9037889
The effect is on all companies on the Internet, not just ISPs. For example, if you use a website that uses an encryption to store data, the website would need to assist police in an investigation on the person of interest (or give them automatic access or something). The aim is that a criminal would not be able to use online services to communicate without police being able to track the information.
Whether this is even achievable is another question entirely.

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>>9037902
>Listening to a family of drug smugglers argue about their broken vacuum cleaner to the point of absurdity on a daily basis for nearly two weeks straight

You do realize this is special code for doing business right?

>>9037965
then they can have every straya'n company with backdoors, but what prevents you from downloading a legit assymetric encryption program and using it ?

>>9037968
They could probably use these powers to compel other companies to try and help compromise you by other means

e.g. they monitor your internet use, see your workstation call home to [ANTIVIRUS COMPANY] and then compel them to turn over any vulns or info that might help them compromise you

They know they can't compromise the crypto so they're trying to do an end run around that by compromising the endpoint instead

>>9037967

What is this netflix shite

Breaking news: Prime minister of Australia proves that P is equivalent to AusP (the class of languages for which an australian turing machine can decide word membership on in polynomial time), which is strictly contained in NP and contains well known problems such as RSA.

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>sha1-online com
>this site has been blocked by the federal government of australia

>>9037981
It's TV but via the Internet, gramps.

>>9037215
He's Australian so it balances out

simply XOR the encrypted file against the text of the bible, then say the xor-file is a one-time-pad used by the baddies

>>9037320
Like fuck the guy but come up with better jokes about him.

This is John Oliver tier stuff.

>>9036822
Turnbull is not an idiot. He's just willfully deceptive, understanding that knuckledragging Australian bogans won't call him out on his wrongful use of language. His language was carefully chosen to deny the reality of his policy's consequences, and it is an Orwellian tactic that has been hugely successful in the information age.

Recall the public debate between former FBI Director James Comey and Apple about implementing an iPhone backdoor for law enforcement in the wake of the San Bernandino shooting. While Apple publicly denied the FBI's request due to their commitment to user privacy, in private, they had already implemented a "zero hour" iPhone backdoor as have been revealed by Wikileaks' 7th Vault release. Politicians will lie through their teeth because they know that consistent distortion of the meaning of words, by willfully ignoring the consequences of a particular proposition, will shield them enough from public backlash because people have lost the capacity to connect the dots.

It's time to drop Hanlon's razor, the preference of choosing stupidity over malice as an explanation for bad policy, because these politicians know exactly what they're doing when they attempt to expand the surveillance state. This shit is no longer a conspiracy. It's time for heads to roll.

>>9037967
This family's codes were all fishing related. The vacuum cleaner shit was only between a husband and a wife.

>>9036822
>Conservatives think their feelings trump reality.

Never surprised.

Our government sucks, more at 11!

>>9039302
>This family's codes were all fishing related.
Wait, were they in the news recently? I seem to recall some nefarious references to fishing lures in the last six months...