Opinions on improving academia

>>9026628
>In schools, teachers are expected to take an experiment out of a text book that has been done millions of times before and we already very clearly know the possible results of it, then do that experiment again to teach students.
Yes, this is called a demonstration. What's the issue here?
>Doing experiments that actually matter in classes would promote better learning and help in the advancement of science. So the question becomes: how can this be effectively achieved?
It could be achieved by relegating the experiments to actual adult postgraduates, rather than to children who don't have the fundamental knowledge or technical ability to run a lab.
>New experiments that have yield results worth retesting need to be tested by unrelated teams of scientists in order to see if they can get the same result.
Right, reproducible results. This is already done.

Go study your chem textbooks dumb underageb&

>>9026675
>What's the issue here?
The issue is opportunity loss. If something can be done better why do it the worse way?
>It could be achieved by relegating the experiments to actual adult postgraduates
Are those postgraduates working for free?
>rather than to children who don't have the fundamental knowledge or technical ability to run a lab.
This obviously isn't intended for children to go into the a lab by themselves and try to run the experiment. It's intended to be run by a teacher instructing students on use of the lab through an experiment that actually has value.
>reproducible results. This is already done.
Of course it's already done. The whole intent of this is to do it more effectively and at a lower cost.

>>9026707
If you applied even five minutes of critical thinking to this you'd realise how immensely impratical it is, yeah, let's give schoolchildren a bunch of NMRs and IR spectrometers and leave the poor teacher to oversee the hundreds of thousands of dollars worth in equipment, let's also spend thousands on a COSHH compliant chemical storage room that the teacher would have to accompany every my little technician to to retrieve even the most basic of reagants, all while they should actually be learning the fundamentals of their subject so that they can go to Universities, where the actual funding is, and do their research there! What could possibly go wrong?

>>9026717
There are experiments that are impractical with the level of technology some labs in schools have yes, those wont work. But are there experiments that are practical with the technology school labs have? Those experiments would be the ones this concept is intended for.

>>9026733
>But are there experiments that are practical with the technology school labs have?
Yes, there are, but they are the experiments you were bemoaning when you said
>In schools, teachers are expected to take an experiment out of a text book that has been done millions of times before and we already very clearly know the possible results of it, then do that experiment again to teach students.
These experiments are taught for a reason, they are practical, affordable and relatively safe. What you are suggesting is simply not practical.

>>9026764
Not practical because all experiments regarding recent discoveries are either too expensive or dangerous to be performed in a learning environment?

we need upper league colleges to get rid of classes, but not professors. The professors will hold office hours instead of classes, and the students will have free-reign.

>>9026802
Not too expensive or dangerous to be performed in a learning environment, but in a highschool learning environment? Absolutely.

Why don't we just do experiments on white people?

They still in charge now, nigga. We gotsta wait a li'l while before we can dissectifty their polo-shirt wearin asses, you know what Im sayin?