Graviton

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How can gravitons exist if gravity doesn't exist?

Meme particle tbqh sempai

>>8950859
desu fampai

If gravity doesn't exist, what is the force keeping us on the ground?

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>>8950997

>gravity
>force

>>8950997
Density combined with the collective power of electromagnetism of earth

>>8950850
yes
mass = 0
spin = 2

>>8950850
Yes, they are massless "particles" that are difficult to detect with modern methods

>>8950850
Scientists don't know for sure, that's why it's called the "theory" of gravitation and not considered a law of science.

>>8950855

OH MF FKKKKING GOD

escape velocity is the velocity needed to COMPLETELY leave the gravitational well of a body !=!=!!1!!=??!1 its not necessary for a FKKING ORBIT=!=!=????

>>8951641

HOW OLD ARE you for fucks sake==? -12 ???

why the fuck dont you first go read some shit then try acting smart here,

HERES A QUICK COUNTEREXAMPLE for your autistic ass

NEWTONS LAWS OF MOTION <<< CLASSICAL MECHANICS === THEORY

GO READ MORE

>>8950850
They are grav waves.

>>8951098
Not quite true about it being massless. String theory doesn't need it to be massless. It works with very little mass too.

>>8951641
You do not properly understand what those two terms mean scientifically. Learn what they mean first.

>>8950850
Yes. I'm afraid gravitons won't be found tho.

>>8951025
Then why aren't electro magnets much heavier?
Why do people always have the need to strictly ignore all the scientific research that has ever been made, just to come up with a bullshit nonsensical and unproven explanation, they thought of for two minutes.

There is no reason unless there is clear evidence to believe
>but it could be
That's not enough evidence for there to be a belief
>why
Because anything "could be". Where the fuck is your demonstrative evidence, jackass?

>>8950850
It is practically impossible to find gravitrons. These are so small and faint that the detector would need to be as heavy as jupiter just to have a chance of maybe finding one. Sadly this will probably stay an unobservant particle for the future.

>>8951659
U high?

>>8951852
why aren't we just using jupiter as a detector then?

>>8951858
Because of God.

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>>8950850
Science only works if people can present an alternative. Seeing that no other alternative is sufficient for how the universe operates, gravitons and gravity do exist. Until someone finds the next piece to the vast puzzle that is the cosmos. Research, evaluate, reason, etc.

>>8950850

Yes in the same sense that other particles exist, ie, they're a manifestation of a field. Gravity exists, ergo gravitons do, since a graviton is simply a "peak" in a wave in the gravitational field.

>>8951641
bait

>>8951940
what evidence is there to gravitons that isn't explained by the curvature of space time?
where do gravitons fit in the standard model or expanded standard model?

>>8951940
>>8951965
Do Chronotons exist then?

>>8950850
So if gravitrons are real can you draw arrows to push them like electrons so i can finally understand gravity?
t. chemist

>>8950855
the stupid.... It BURNS

>>8951641
This comment triggered me so hard I threw up

>>8952160
Curvature of space only works as a dynamical model under the Newtonian inertial paradigm. We describe quantum states evolving differently. You can formulate quantum mechanics perfectly fine in curved space, but insisting that quantum states "just follow their geodesic!" doesnt explain gravitational attraction like it does with classical objects. We just don't model the evolution of quantum systems in a way that it helps at all. The closest anyone got to making this work was with Canonical Quantum Gravity, which didn't quite work (common theme).

>>8952430
ok. thanks for informing me

>>8951965
That assumes that the quantum field paradigm can explain gravity. It could very well be that gravity is simply the end of the road for quantum fields and we will need to think up something better.

>>8950850
so what is this exactly, like a magnetic cavitation that holds atoms in place?

>>8950850
If photons as carrier particles for electromagnetic forces,
gluons for strong forces
and W and Z particles for weak forces
then surely gravitons should exist for gravitational forces.

>>8950850
Obviously.

>>8951641
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton's_law_of_universal_gravitation

Fucking autist

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>>8950855

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>>8953136

isnt a graviton just any point in a gravitational field?

I just want one, ONE flat earther to disprove this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavendish_experiment

>>8951849
electromagnets are in fact very light, if it wasn't for the earth they would be nigh massless.

>>8950997
The Earth is flat and simply accelerating upwards at 9.81 m/(s^2)

>>8950855
>gravity again defies it's own definition
>it is own definition
L0Liton flux is fluxing L0Ls

>>8953664
Why does the acceleration vary slightly at various places?

>>8953684
The earth disk wobbles and warps at times which creates these differences in acceleration.

>>8953688
Could you present a model which allows us to calculate these variations?

An idea is only as good as it can be tested and verified.

>>8951641
You'd expect the smartest board on 4chinz to be harder to troll than this

>>8953688
You can go out and measure acceleration, the accelerations at certain points of the earth are constantly changing by minute amounts, what else do you need?

>>8951896
That bastard

>>8950850
yes ancients used sound to eliminate gravity and lift stones too large too big for us now

>>8953467
The best I got from one was that the experiment was very difficult to perform, and scientists usually get frustrated when attempting it.

He didn't even disprove it.

>>8953467

Disprove what? A Wikipedia page?

>>8950850
>5
I would think not becuase gravity has all to do with an object's position in relation to the space-time continuum fabric. The key word being continuum; particles being on an interval.