If matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed, then the

>>8922076
Nah, all physical laws are only known to be valid within this universe.

>>8922076
>right?
no, because matter and energy can be moved
for all we know, the matter/energy that is in this universe popped out of another universe in the multiverse

>>8922098
What's the unmoved mover?

>>8922100
doesn't require one

>>8922098
But the point is that matter/energy has always existed, right?

>>8922076
That's what I always thought since I was old enough to think about these things. But then came uni and the ~mindfuckaton of weird interpolations. Now I just shut up and calculate.

>>8922105
it seems that way, yeah

>>8922105
that's not the OP's point

>>8922112
assuming OP means universe as encompassing everything that exists, then it is

>>8922076
Unless the restrictions on creating or destroying matter are an emergent property that came into existence with this version of the universe

>>8922100

Apeiron.

>>8922116
fair enough