Morphological differences have arisen between different populations

good evening /pol/, how are you tonight?

>>8920257
DO YOU MEAN TO IMPLY THAT NIGGERS ARE LESS INTELLIGENT THAN WHITE PEOPLE??? CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE FAGGOT

>>8920257
Not at all. It is a very sensible conclusion that can be infered from decades of research into human psychology. Scientists have compiled piles of evidence that suggest what we all have thought for a long time: white people are psychologically inferior to all of us. Indeed, so inferior that it is almost wrong to call them human because psychologically they can be classified as mentally disabled and when you think about an entire race being "mentally disabled" then a sensible conclusion is that they could be a subhuman species. Similar to how if monkeys were considered humans, we would say they are severely mentally disabled.

>>8920257
Psychology is a social study, not a science.
Go back to /pol/.

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>>8920269
All of humanity is comprised of sociopaths, white people are just the best at it.

>>8920329
Psychology comes as a result of biology?

Surely biologically different species might think differently?

>>8920351
Neurology is a science, not psychology. You can't just start discussing psychology without talking about any of the science behind it by going "oh, but chemicals in the brain are responsible for it somehow".
Next we're going to have threads on /sci/ about what makes you sad because "oh how you become sad is because biology :^)" and how niggers make you angry.

>>8920257
not really, if something parenting and culture seems to have a bigger effect than IQ.

a black kid raised in a white family will be an uncle tom or a normal guy, meanwhile a black kid on a nigger family will be a nigger.

look up wiggers if you want examples.

>>8920366
Well, since people always say that it's been scientifically proven that there's no mental difference between the races, I figured one of you could point to that evidence.

>>8920368
>wiggers
>white nigger

So you agree that the actitude of so called "niggers" is cultural and is therefore passed down? So you agree that the reason blacks show that behavior is because of previous opression which then turned into a culture which was then passed down to their kids, who then passed it down to their kids, who then passed it down to their kids, and so on. Which then implies that a change in black culture triggered by reparations will be the solution to all the problems in the black community?

Oh, you sure are red pilled my man. You finally understand! So, how high should the white tax be my friend?

>>8920377
Thomas sowell opinion on niggers.

>>8920379
the nigger culture was a hidden job that the russians (cultural marxists) invented to destroy the USA.

newfag.

>>8920377
>since people always say that it's been scientifically proven that there's no mental difference between the races
Argue with those idiots then. On /pol/. Where this thread belongs.

>>8920382
Well, I am no historian and I don't mean to find the original source the opression black people felt. What is true is that, whoever the opressors were, they were white. Therefore, reparations must come from white people who now benefit from the benefits their ancestors reaped on the backs of working black people.

Again, I am glad we agree on this point. How high should the white tax be? I think 50% is a good start.

>>8920386
I have spend time reading about blacks history.
your mockery is simply a non honest interest in them.

fuck off to pol, m8.

They simply need to be left alone.

>>8920383
No, this is a thread about biological differences between races, it belongs here

>>8920393
>biological differences
It's literally not. How about you learn a bit about science before shitting up the board?
Lurk more, dumb /pol/ poster.

>>8920393
I already told you.
culture and poverty is a bigger cause of nigger behaviour than race.

>>8920398
Surely biology could affect traits usually associated with psychology?

I'm just saying the effects could be there, not that we know what they are.

>>8920402
they would be overriden by culture in any case.

>>8920410
What makes you say that?

I don't know if culture can give someone 30 points of IQ.

>>8920416
white people on the first test of IQ (in 1910 or something) would had scored 70 points if they would had used a modern test.

look up the flynn effect.

>>8920416
http://reason.com/blog/2012/12/13/american-iqs-in-1900-averaged-67-points

>>8920418
What would black people have scored?

>>8920425
we don't know what's the real limit of black people.

is been proven that poverty hinders IQ.

so we don't know.

>>8920379
yes.

the IQ of someone can be impacted with
>culture
>nutrition of the mother while pregnant
>nutrition as an infant
>nutrition growing up to an adult
>exercise
>influence (what stupid shit does your kid watch?)
>discipline (must be thought by parents)
>mother and father figures growing up

even small things like hobbies can increase or decrease your IQ.

this should be common sense by know, m8

>>8920267
Leave. I don't like you.
>>>/b/

>>8920426
Why is it that race is a better predictor of IQ than poverty?

>>8920483
flynn effect.

we just don't know.

>>8920366
>neurology is a science not psychology
You meme scientists are almost as bad as /pol/. Neurology is medicine ya dolt. You are thinking of cognitive neuroscience.
You have confused psychology for psychiatry as well.
>2016 and being a hardline empiricist Truth can be rationally derived you kno.

Also. This bait has nothing to do with psychology. Just the fact that humans have symbolic minds (psyche)
>Next we're going to have threads on /sci/ about what makes you sad because "oh how you become sad is because biology :^)" and how niggers make you angry.
Hold up a minute. Is this bait? Reported.

>>8920489
All I'm saying is that it's POSSIBLE that the cause could be biological.

This statement alone will make somebody a social pariah

>>8920499
IQ isn't 100% genetical.

>>8920520
No one is saying this.

ok, so what if there are differences? why should that matter regarding how we treat people?

>>8920499
it doesn't.
what does it when you base your conclusions on dodgy research, and use it to justify discrimination. a lot of self professed "race realists" (not even mentioning how fuzzy "race" is) squirm when east asians and ashkenazi jews come across as more intelligent that whites.

Just stop... constantly raiding 4chan will not change reality.

Science is not a list of facts you "debunk." It's a process whereby we try to refute falsifiable predictions in order to find the ones that are true, or as close to true as we know.

Basically the only fallback you have is "science is a conspiracy and everyone is being paid/manipulated to lie!"

>>8920534
>I'm not saying IQ is 100% genetic

>but we should segregate people based on race on the assumption that it is

>>8920499
It's actually not possible at all. We have measured the genetic variation if humans, and we also know that a trait like IQ probably involves hundreds of genes. There isn't enough genetic variation for a trait like IQ to be caused by differences in genetic variation. Almost all the minor genetic differences we have are only things relating directly to the the environment, like the immune system or skin color

>>8920652
>There isn't enough genetic variation for a trait like IQ to be caused by differences in genetic variation
Can you expand on this?
Also, is there any good research to refute the claims of people who link race with IQ? It's pretty disheartening seeing the stuff they come out with.

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>>8920257
Millions and millions of years since we diverged from frogs and we still retain a bunch of thing form that time.

The time it took for us to develop traits to adapt to the locale is a blink in the evolutionary scale.

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>>8920382
>the nigger culture was a hidden job that the russians (cultural marxists) invented to destroy the USA.

You really gonna post that bullishit here?

>>8920644
If it were 50% genetic, that would make a case for segregation.

The question is whether genetics are the dominant factor.

>>8920652
Height involves hundreds of genes as well. You're gonna need to provide some sources

>>8920693
It's funny but sad to me to see people like this looking for evidence to fit their preconceptions that we are all equal, and not even realizing their irrationality

>>8920693
>Are humans genetically unequal across the board
yes, get over it.

>>8920329
We are everywhere.

If dubs black people should be considered a separate subspecies

>>8920844
Hahahahahahahaa

>>8920844
>>8920859
Your dubs have no power here. Roll a prime and we may hear you. Roll a carmichael number and your words are our commands.

>>8920379
They take their reparations and spend it on rims and gold necklaces

>>8920693
>Also, is there any good research to refute the claims of people who link race with IQ?
Yes.

>>8920787
There's no way to determine race genetically. If anything, the IQ-race correlations /pol/ likes to throw up suggest that IQ is not significantly determined by genetics.

>>8920652
>There isn't enough genetic variation for a trait like IQ to be caused by differences in genetic variation.

No, what an arbitrary conclusion to come to. The immune system alone can make receptors that recognize over 100 million antigens in the span of 300 genes using genetic recombination and junctional diversity. Saying IQ is impossible to code is ignorant.

>minor genetic differences
They aren't minor. What would you consider a major one, like different organs? That's ridiculous. Blacks do however have an incredibly high instance of an extra muscle that helps in running, I'll let you figure out if it has anything to do with adapting/environment, which brings me to

>relating directly to the the environment
Why wouldn't development of higher IQ be stimulated by a particular environment?

Stop drinking the egalitarian kool-aid.

>>8921022

>IQ is not significantly determined by genetics.

Nonsense, heritability of IQ is quite high (0.7 or so). This applies to IQ differences in general, not merely between races. When it comes to differences between races or ethnicities, factors such as poverty or malnutrition can have strong effects, and may overwhelm genetic effects of race, assuming there are any.

>>8920794
>their preconceptions that we are all equal
Everyone having different abilities doesn't mean that we are not equal. Someone like Stephen Hawking proves that.

>>8920257
There is no chance of blacks ever being on par with whites or asians ever.

Its a simple case of genetic imperialism, there are far more feral retarded blacks than intelligent civilized ones meaning no matter where you are in Africa the feral retard genes WILL ALWAYS BE DOMINANT in the population.

Notice when smart black americans breed they produce civilized children this is impossible back in Africa because the feral retards are instinctively attractive to men or women, black males love stupid black women, and black women love psychotic thuggish black men the most. So the smart negros will always remain a genetic minority till the sun blows up until Africa experiences a climate change that offs the feral retards allowing the civilized negros to become genetically dominant.

The same applies to Black America, notice only the morons are multiplying while the smart ones are slowly going extinct because as niggers gain more power in American cities, African conditions return meaning smart blacks fail to breed as much as the feral ones eventually leading to smart blacks being a very small genetic minority like seen in preslavery Africa.

Yes you heard me you smart blacks reading this, you only exist due to the conditions white people have made.

>>8921383

For the most part, your reasoning is sound, but there really is no need to append bias by saying, 'dats rite smart blak guys, u only smart cuz WHITE MAN!!1' Do yourself a favor: eliminate the implicit white supremacy in your rhetoric and be consistent. Intelligent blacks are intelligent due to conditions allowed by people who aren't feral; the "white" part is simply auxiliary to this point.

>>8921405
No you idiot, I am saying white created the conditions that allow intelligent blacks to multiply without being reduced to a tiny genetic minority like back in Africa.

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>>8920257
> Is it unfair to suspect that there may be some psychological differences as well?
Yes. But the real question is, how many times are you going to ask the question?

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>>8920269
What does that make of whatever race you are? To be conquered by a bunch of subhumans.

>>8921047
Come on pal. I'm probably more aligned without views than the other guy, but it is conventional knowledge the correlation is .6 TOPS. Where did you find .7?

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>>8921428
> white created the conditions that allow intelligent blacks to multiply
Wrong. Read The Color of Law: A Forgotten History of How Our Government Segregated America by Richard Rothstein.

Following WWII, the Federal Housing Administration offered low cost, subsidized housing loans to returning veterans - IF they were white.

The deeds specifically said that the houses could be resold ONLY to white people. No blacks. Blacks can serve in wars, die and pay taxes in America, but only whites could reap the benefits.

Once blacks settled in the only places allowed by law (often white owned slums), white zoning boards - at which blacks were not allowed to speak - designated all toxic and industrial sites to be in black neighborhoods.

White neighborhoods appreciated, and whitey reaped all the profits. The blacks? Still stuck in the ghetto.

Blacks do not rise because of whites. They rise in SPITE of whitey's racism. Of course, the truth is a hard pill to swallow. /pol/ would rather believe in muh brain.

>>8921513
>by Richard Rothstein.
Ahahaha yeah I'm going to read that (((book))) right now.

>>8921405
>the implicit white supremacy in your rhetoric
You are literally a redditor. This is lterally, 100%, a post from reddit.

>>8920636
It seems the general consensus among the resonable people on 4chan is:
Jews: Smartest overall
Asians: Best discipline(culture), high IQ low creativity
Whites: 3rd in IQ as far as sheer brain power, more creative than asians, controlled by, and therefore inferior to jews
Indians: Not as smart or creative as whites but dilligent and hardworking
Hispanics: Pretty middle of the road in everything, their culture dictates that its not how smart you are its the life you lead that matters so they don't frequently see exceedingly high levels of success.
Black people: dumb as fuck, good at anything similar to escaping predators in the jungle(see running/sports)

I know some of these are race classifications and some are more based in culture and/or religion(swap whites for caucasian and jews for semites if it rustles your jimmies, you know its all the same shit) and is based on no evidence, but i dare you to tell me that deep down you dont know this is fact.

t. A reasonable caucasian human that doesnt give a fuck about your feelings

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>>8921542
> Ahahaha yeah I'm going to read that (((book))) right now.
If you object to the author because his name ends in -stein (Typical /pol/), try Urban Housing Segregation of Minorities in Western Europe and the United States by Elizabeth Huttman, Juliet Saltman, and Wim Blauw.

Or are you too busy masturbating to Mein Kampf?

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>>8921557
> consensus among the resonable people
> resonable
At least muh brain managed to spell 'fuck' correctly.

How do you even log in without SOME form of spell check?

>>8921513
You must be a nigger because you didnt comprehend my post at all.

Let me make it simple for you

DUH THE WITE MAN CREATED CONDITIONS IN AMERICA THAT ALLOWED DUH SMART BLACK MAN TO FUCK AND MAKE MORE SMART BLACK MAN UNLIKE AFRICA WHERE DUH SMART BLACK MAN BARELY EXISTS AT ALL.

WITHOUT DUH WITE MAN THE SMART BLACK MAN WOULD BE GETTING TORTURED BY FERAL BLACK MAN TO THIS VERY DAY AS IS THE DESTINY OF ANY SMART PERSON SURROUNDED BY IDIOTS IN A STONE AGE CULTURE.

YA FEEL ME MY NIGGUH.

>They rise
Affirmative Action is great isnt it? Without AA niggers would have nothing in America because no one likes them.

>>8921557
>generalizing creativity by race
Now thats just stupid.

>>8921557
>jews smart
Um no jews would have take over the world 2000 years ago if they were smart, the fact jews cant anything unless they have empathetic pussies like white people to do their dirty work for them shows they arent that smart.

Oh boy dont get me started on these "jews" that look indistinguishable from Europeans either.

Jews are a race of absolute madmen.

What's the latest scientific consensus on the existence of race? I've always thought clines described humanity better than races.

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Severe lack of facts in this thread
Let me help out.

under somewhat ok educational conditions genotypic mean sub saharan african IQ is ~90(a figure lower than 100, but still not that low since we also know that 100<107) as shown by nigerians and other countries

if nigerians could do it now, all of sub saharan africa can do it, since the entire subcontinent is sitting at about 80 right now

http://www.iapsych.com/iqmr/fe/LinkedDocuments/wicherts2010b.pdf

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886916310984

pic related is the lynn "estimates"(the OP map) vs reality
>>8921623
clines i think
not that it's super relevant

>>8921640
Thanks for the graph/link. That's pretty encouraging.
I think we should acknowledge differences but still seek to treat everyone decently and strive for universal improvement.

>>8921557
>more creative than asians
love this meme

>>8921640
I'm not reading 20 pages, where are they getting the 'predicted iq' from?

>flynn effect
africans are learning how to take tests, great

>>8921557
>jews smartest overall
I also find it these IQ studies typically always distinguish between the different ethnicities of Asian (discerning between north east and south Asians, in particular) and Jews (ashkenazi vs sephardic), yet all gentile whites are pooled into one (Irish with English, northern Italian with southern, everyone else!).

Interestingly, the old stereotype of jews was similar to that if Asians: good at working in formal systems but lousy at creating them.

>>8921796
that's because there's no difference between northern and southern italian
and between irish and english

>>8921657
Many argue they actually have higher IQs, or that there is no difference. In fact, Reaction time evidence suggests that the average white in the Victorian era had an IQ 15 points (an entire standard deviation) higher than the average today. This puts them at or higher than the purported Jewish estimate. I would bet that if our culture and popular entertainment didn't push such a degenerate, anti intellectual agenda on the poor, working class and uneducated, our average IQ would be just as high. I believe the same holds true for African Americans too.

>>8921640
>if nigerians could do it now, all of sub saharan africa can do it
No.

>>8921796
>northern Italian with southern
There's a smaller genetic distance between northern and southern italians than between northern and southern germans.

>>8921808
>In fact, Reaction time evidence suggests that the average white in the Victorian era had an IQ 15 points (an entire standard deviation) higher than the average today
No it doesn't. The sample from the victorian age isn't representative of the average person back then.

>>8921022
>There's no way to determine race genetically
...

>>8921816
You're right, it is representative of Caucasians of the Nordic / Germanic type.

>>8921812
What about between ashkenazi and sephardi jews?

>>8921812
the point is there's no IQ difference as well

>>8921824
No, I'm saying it's not representative at all of the average english person back then, the test was taken only by people who were above average.

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>>8921802
You sure about that?

>>8921828
I've no idea if there is, I doubt that there is but I'm not aware of any data on the matter.
>>8921826
Probably more than between the groups I mentioned earlier.

>>8921829
I will have to go back and investigate the study myself but if I recall the sampling was sound. Regardless, you could then analogously argue the average east Asian iq is inflated; if you don't solely sample from urban / industrial areas the average is in the 90s (China in particular).

>>8921838
>probably
Whatever helps you sleep at night Shlomo.

>>8921844
>I will have to go back and investigate the study myself but if I recall the sampling was sound.
The data we have on reaction times back in the Victorian time was assembled by Galton, who tested people inside a museum, after having them pay a fee. In other words, the only people who were tested were those who could afford both to go to a museum and to spend extra to be tested. In other words, not the average person back then.
>>8921847
I'm not jewish, nor do I like the jewish archetype. I'm basing the probability on the idea of them mixing with the local population like ashkenazim did, then comparing the distance between the population the two jewish groups bred with.

>>8921844
On east asian IQ, I think there's evidence (studies on early adopted kids) to suggest the white-asian gap might be in significant part genetic.

>>8921838
>I've no idea if there is, I doubt that there is but I'm not aware of any data on the matter.
richard lynn claimed an IQ difference of 10 points between northerners and southerners - he based it on PISA scores (scores that have actually converged in the last few years - by some 40% as of 2013)

here's a blog that contains references to studies done by italian researchers to find out whether there's a difference
i can't post the link for some reason because the system thinks it's spam
anyways
>Naglieri et al. (submitted for publication) studied the differences between the psychometric qualities of the CAS [Cognitive Assessment System] for the Italian and US standardization samples. Although the goal of that study was not to make regional comparisons, they did report that there were no significant differences (F(1, 806)=2.19, p=.11) between the average CAS-Italian Full Scale standard scores (set at a mean of 100 and standard deviation of 15) for students from the northern (M=100.5; SD=13.2), central (M=101.2; SD=11.9), and southern (M=103.1; SD=11.6) regions of Italy. The mean standard scores for the students in the north were only slightly lower than the mean for those in the south (effect size=.21)

lynn's argument was that the further south you go the lower the IQ since north african admixture grows and as you know brown people are inferior, while northern italians are more germanic

>>8921868
Yeah, I know about Lynn's hypotheses, I was only referring to the absence AFAIK of good studies on the matter.

http://www.geneticshumanagency.org/ff/on-genes-as-inherent-merit/

>>8920257
yes, intelligence and behavior are different among races.

>>8921022
>There's no way to determine race genetically.
https://www.23andme.com/

>>8921447
>Yes
Why?

>>8920265

I don't get posts like this. Is mainstream science too afraid to talk about this subject? It's weird how these "scientists" and "critical thinkers" are so afraid to talk about certain subjects because it makes them feel uncomfortable.

>>8921856
>The data we have on reaction times back in the Victorian time was assembled by Galton
This simply isn't true. The study uses data compiled by several researchers, and has been collected over the decades since then until today. Are you using Gould as a reference?

>>8922238
confronting the idea that people are strongly influenced by genetics is uncomfortable. that we don't know just how much nature vs nature counts doesn't help matters either.
i think anyone who doesn't feel uncomfortable about iq differences in our modern post-industrial bureaucratic capitalist economy is lying to themselves

>>8922238
>i feel this is why /sci/ isn't receptive to this topic, so it must be the real reason

/pol/ level reasoning

>>8922522
What is the real reason?

>>8920257
What is the reason for Argentina being so different from the rest of South America?

>>8920377
>Well, since people always say that it's been scientifically proven that there's no mental difference between the races, I figured one of you could point to that evidence.
>scientifically proven
There is no such thing as scientifically proven. rather it is a term that demonstrates scientists were not involved. Also it should raise red flags like a matador to anyone on a forum called /sci/.

>>8921047
Hence why this whole IQ-race thing is bullshit.

>>8921823
There isn't. But please, tell us the genetic markers that distinguishes one race from another.

>>8922835
Because we've literally had this stupid discussion three times a week for years. After a while, seeing the same stupid arguments and discredited research stops goes from being funny to tedious.

>>8922978
>There isn't.
Explain https://www.23andme.com/ then

>>8922931
the map is bullshit, it's based on lynn guessing what IQ's different countries have
see >>8921640

>>8922978
>There isn't. But please, tell us the genetic markers that distinguishes one race from another.
look up genetic populations

>>8922979
A company that's cashing in on certain people's obsession with ancestry. And it makes nothing remotely close to claiming it can determine your race from your genetics. But explain how one company negates the century of research on this topic.

>>8922984
Genetic populations!=race

>>8923080
>And it makes nothing remotely close to claiming it can determine your race from your genetics.
And yet it does, pretty reliably. It can certainly separate the larger groups from each other.

When you can genetically determine when someone is Azkhenazi Jewish, I'd say you're separating on the level of race.

I'm still yet to see a good, agreed upon definition of race.

Pretty soon we'll be able to genetically modify embryos for intelligence thanks to Crispr, so the whole dick waving racial contest will be moot. We'll be able to do away with any inequalities and disabilities for a much better world.

>>8924052
>Pretty soon we'll be able to genetically modify embryos for intelligence thanks to Crispr
CRISPR is just a tool. It's knowing what to modify which is the hard part. I very much doubt there's a single easy to target gene that determines intelligence. And you best believe that even if there was the FDA would make it hell to go through with.

I've actually considered going to some third world country with no regulation just so I can experiment with editing humans. It might end up being an atrocity but if we bypass a hundred years of bureaucracy it'd be worth it