Why is the American Mathematical Society pushing this nonsense?

>>8919583
>Math
>Real
LOL

Her academic website lists number theory and calculus 2 under "interests". Calculus 2.

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>if you're white you shouldn't work
>AMS literally pushing racism

>>8919596
No matter what field in Science you are in, you will use math.

So are white people to do then?

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>>8919583
well that's pretty fucked up
are there some developed countries which aren't in a rush to completely fuck themselves up like 1920's USSR left?

>>8919583
Who fucking cares

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>>8919600
Princeton gave her a PhD in Mathematics, and her thesis is appalling.

pic related

>>8919618
What the fuck...

>>8919583
Why is this filed under "Supremum"

>>8919618
>>8919621
Here's the full thesis if you want a real mind fuck

http://www.theliberatedmathematician.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/PiperThesisPostPrint.pdf

>>8919618
its written so informally

reminds me of grading first year's calculus homework

>>8919618
This can't be real...... no......just no....

Because in this day and age if you're a white man you're literally Adolf Hitler.

>>8919630
see >>8919625

>In the early 1800s when this journey first began, I was but a young and naive graduate student. Centuries later, I am a wife, mother of two, and dare I say, mathematician.

>>8919618
Lol. To be fair though, nobody really reads phd theses.

>>8919625
Holy FUCK I hate her writing style.

Overly "quirky" and fake, stilted, pretentious, forced, unfunny, I want to fucking slap this woman. Wait my bad I didnt intend to assume anyones gender of course.

>University of Hawaii
horrible mathematical output

last thing i saw come from there was a 7 page master's thesis with conjectures that took a day to find dozens of counterexamples for

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>>8919618

This is less sophisticated then my final project for third year matrix analysis at my podunk provincial uni. (It was on the use of NMF for automatic musical spectra decomposition and analysis.) Can I have a Princeton PhD too?

>>8919583
White women are truely stupid animals that deserve no human rights whatsoever, it is truely amazing how they use their limited intellect compared to the most moronic of men.

>>8919632
In math authors are listed alphabetically regardless of how significant their contribution was

>>8919638
>Holy FUCK I hate her writing style.
yeah, what the FUCK

i'm literally shaking rn

>>8919637
>Lol. To be fair though, nobody really reads phd theses.
except for the good ones... like Zwegers' https://arxiv.org/pdf/0807.4834.pdf

>>8919642
it was written by a black woman

>>8919643
Huh, I didn't know that. Seems totally strange. You'd think every mathematician would change their last name to Aaronson or something.

>>8919625
what is she doing there
will a mathfag explain to me

>>8919644
FUCK you NIGger

>>8919646
White women are the reason the black women even thinks that way.

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>>8919630
>>8919632
>>8919633
>>8919637
>>8919638
>>8919641
>>8919644
>>8919646

Another selection of elegant mathematics from this genius

>>8919625
>a real mind fuck
Ignoring stylistics, is this any good?

If possible a non /pol/ack answer - since anything done by a black person is bad if you ask them.

>>8919660
We have the paper >>8919625

I get it, you don't like the language.

What is it she does in her paper?

"I like to imagine abstraction (abstractly ha ha ha) as pulling the strings on a marionette. The marionette, being “real life,” is easily accessible. Everyone understands the marionette whether it’s walking or dancing or fighting. We can see it and it makes sense. But watch instead the hands of the puppeteers. Can you look at the hand movements of the puppeteers and know what the marionette is doing? A puppeteer walks up to you and says “I’m really excited about figuring out Fermat’s Last Thumb Bend!” You say, “huh?” The puppeteer responds, “Oh, well, it’s simply a matter of realizing that the main thumb joint has several properties that distinguish it from...” You’re already starting to fantasize about the Zombie Apocalypse. Imagine it gets worse. Much, much worse. Imagine that the marionettes we see are controlled by mari- onettoids we don’t see which are in turn controlled by pre-puppeteers which are finally controlled by actual puppeteers. NEVER HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THESE FICTIONAL ACTUAL PUPPETEERS ABOUT THEIR WORK!"

>>8919664
no, not at all. see >>8919660 for another sample.

Does that seem academic or even remotely professional to you?

>>8919669
I don't care how she wrote the text.

Can you explain what she does in the paper?>>8919625

Be honest.

So Princeton is a degree mill now? Why did they accept this person?

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>>8919660
>since having a toddler
>math paper
OH MY FUCK, THIS CAN'T BE REAL!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

When I see shit like this I almost think /pol/ is reasonable

>>8919666
Expounds on some inconsequential results from undergraduate mathematics. Does so in a style that is half post-structuralist jibber jabber (probably just out of habit desu for this brave a(u/r)tistic PoC) and half twitter speak.

Does anyone ITT understand what's going on here?>>8919625

>>8919660
How did she get to the point of being able to acquire a PhD? Was /pol/ right after all?

>>8919685
is the abstract too confusing 4 u?

>>8919683
>Expounds on some inconsequential results from undergraduate mathematics.
Woah, that sounds very concrete

>>8919675
>>8919686
It has to be because she's black and a woman and a loud mouth. She got in without even a bachelor's in a related field.

Things like this just reinforce the stereotype of assumed incompetence typically applied to blacks, latinos, and women in STEM.

>>8919625
Yes yes she is into identity politics, but so is half this site

But her paper seems ok, aside from the way she wrote it

>>8919694
>incompetence
half the people itt will never write >>8919625

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>>8919694
She is very qualified. Check your privilege.

>setting a numberphile video as homework

This is clearly a ploy by the blacks to force our most intelligent to breed with them

>>8919702
It's Ok, neither did she.

>>8919692
Read the abstract then.

>>8919583
>Princeton produced this
In 10 years, the Ivy League will be the laughingstock of the academic world, mark my words.

>>8919708
Ok, is the paper plain shit or did someone else write it

can you guys make up your mind

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>>8919698
>Yes yes she is into identity politics, but so is half this site
Do you think that the American Mathematical Society should be pushing the nonsense in the OP?

>>8919705
Christ. Please tell me for the love of God this isn't real.

>>8919710
>Ok, is the paper plain shit or did someone else write it

Literally both you twerp. Bhargava had to shit something out and slap her name on it to make her leave.

>>8919710
Presumably her advisor wrote the paper and she translated it into black twitterese.

>>8919711
is the american math society pushing this nonsense or is she

>>8919713
See for yourself
http://www.theliberatedmathematician.com/cv/

>>8919714
>Literally both you twerp. Bhargava had to shit something out and slap her name on it to make her leave.
How did she pass the quals? Did she get special circumstances or something?

>>8919698
She has a phd from Princeton and a position in academia, and only one publication. That's absolutely pathetic. I don't know her subject or whether her paper is good, but I don't need to. It's just one paper and that's ridiculous

>>8919717
>Presumably

>>8919710
See
>>8919632

>>8919724
See
>>8919643

>>8919708
Realistically she almost definitely wrote it because the writing is so terrible. She may not have thought of any of the math but I'm sure she wrote the thesis

>>8919583
This is absurd

It's absurd someone would write such a thing in their Blog

we need a white ethnostate

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>>8919702
Why the fuck are you whiteknighting an insane person, who is publicly asking people, to relinquish their jobs, just to make room for people, who have higher melanin levels, or a mental disorder? What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>8919686
/pol/ was right about everything
Gas the kikes race war now I can't take one more day of this shit

>>8919730
revealing your true colors
>>>/pol/

I think the /pol/ invasion of /sci/ is complete. I am on their side now

>>8919736
>revealing your true colors
funny guy

>>8919734
I'd assume he's trolling and you bit the bait.

>>8919719
>http://www.theliberatedmathematician.com/cv/

Denied Awards and Recognition

Surviving village-less parenthood is its own reward, 2011–
Surviving patriarchy is its own reward, 1980–
Surviving white supremacy is its own reward, 1980–

So Princeton adcoms, actual mathematicians, at one of the top 5 pure math departments in the world, decided to take this woman as a student over countless actual geniuses. She probably got an exception for the qualifying exam (unless Princeton got rid of it?) and her advisor likely did all the nontrivial work, which she rewrote in her "liberated" style. Somehow, the department thinks all of this was a good idea. What the fuck? Are people really still this guilty over segregation? It's been 50 fucking years now.

>>8919734
I'm on /sci/
the only people who are insane on here are >>8919735
>>8919730
As insane as she is. I really dislike that this isn't acknowledged.

Still, more and more people are recognizing the cancer that sjw and the alt-right truly are, though sjw are on the decline and /pol/fags need more and more obscure people to post about.

yeah

We wuz maths n shieeet.

>>8919746
They probably let her in for muh diversity, and then realized they'd made a horrible mistake. They decided the best way to get rid of her was giving her a degree

>>8919746
An actual Fields medalist was her supervisor.
Someone considered supervising this person to be a proper use of time for a fields medalist.
Reality has become a parody of itself.

>>8919746
You forgot about centuries of slavery you ignorant fuck. We owe it to African Americans to make up for it. Theyre entitles to at least 4 centuries of free degrees, reparations and white groveling.

>>8919583
>Why is the American Mathematical Society pushing this nonsense?
she wrote it in a blog?

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>>8919747
>more obscure people to post about.
You do realize that the crap in the OP is from a respected organization for professional mathematicians in the US right?

>/pol/fags
Wanting to maintain the integrity and apoliticalness of a professional organization with which many of us are members does not make us /pol/fags.

>>8919747
>Phd in Math from Princeton
>Supervisor was Manjul Bhargava
>Professor
>Blog featured by the AMS
B-but muh soc-jus is irrelevant, muh /pol/ is worse.
Do you see yourself?

>>8919761
>>8919762
she

wrote

it

in

a

blog

her

blog

I see a bunch of tards going out of their way to find sjw's to be mad about.

You know I'm right.

>>8919751
>They probably let her in for muh diversity, and then realized they'd made a horrible mistake.
Then fail her at the quals and send her home instead of embarrassing yourself further, that's why they exist. Maybe they didn't want to risk the bad PR of being accused of racism for not having racially inclusive qualifiers that don't linguistically oppress young bloods of color? Who knows.

I refuse to believe she could have passed Princeton's quals.

>>8919754
for the AMS. so someone at the AMS had to read, review, and think that it would be a great idea to publish it on the organizations blog. an organization that claims to be apolitical.

>>8919583
>AMS Blogs

Are you going to post a cap of a twitter post next?

>>8919747
>more and more obscure people to post about.

This is less about her than it is the fact an ivy league graduated a fucking charlatan in math. This is a serious blow both to Princeton and the entire Western academic system.


>>8919766
It's on the AMS website you moron. They are publishing this.

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>>8919766
>her blog
really?

http://blogs.ams.org/inclusionexclusion/2017/05/11/get-out-the-way/
http://blogs.ams.org/
blogs.ams.org/
ams.org/

Turn your autism down for a moment and you will see that it was not "her blog," but rather the AMS's blog!

>>8919777
Idk if anyone can post a blog there, but her backround is complete bullshit.

is it just me or does this not happen as much in physics?

>>8919766
a

blog

feautured

by

the

AMS

Can't wait to see a sceptical article about the death-counts of the holocaust on a blog featured by the AMS.

>>8919779
This is their site
http://www.ams.org/home/page

This is their blog site
http://blogs.ams.org/blogonmathblogs/

anyways, i looked through the diverse blogs
it's just this one SJW that you found and decided to post about

I have NEVER seen a thread made of a blogpost of the AMS on here until now

someone pushing a narrative? creating the illusion that the SJW are still on the rise?

You decide

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Lel, take that all you mathfags who mocked engineers because of Bill Nye.

>>8919792
Does it happen much anywhere?
(expect humanities/social science/arts)

>>8919798
Read the reat of the thread, most people are impressed he got a PhD from Princeton.

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>>8919798
>it's just this one SJW that you found and decided to post about
>just this one

http://blogs.ams.org/inclusionexclusion/2017/05/04/supremumsupremacy/
> I am sorry that I am unable to quote a woman or person of color from the ancient history of our discipline

>>8919802
i feel like I see a lot more radical identity politics types in math and CS, and fewer in physics. maybe it's just me. definitely a lot in CS though, more than math.

>>8919794
>Can't wait to see a sceptical article about the death-counts of the holocaust on a blog featured by the AMS.
There we go.

>>8919790
>Idk if anyone can post a blog there
LOOK at who is an editor there

You will recognize one of the names - Piper Harron

http://blogs.ams.org/inclusionexclusion/about-the-editor/

rekt

Why don't people talk about this black mathematician instead? >>8919361

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>>8919798
None of what you said contradicts what I had said. I honestly now cannot tell if you are trolling. They are hosting the blogs. They are publishing that content. Also none if this even touches on the fact she GOT A FUCKING PHD FROM PRINCETON WITHOUT QUALIFICATIONS.

>>8919817
>They are publishing that content.
((They)) i bet
>>8919813
Why didn't you do research on who writes blogs there

Also NICE meme picture, really got the noggin joggin xxDDD

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>>8919660
>LOL!
This is the state of American academia

Those poor committee members that had to read that dissertation.

>>8919815
because he wasn't asking straight white men to hand over their jobs to black women and transsexuals

>>8919658
>White women are the reason the black women even thinks that way.
you mean jewish women?

>>8919625
The west is dead. Time to start brushing up on Hinduism and Sharia law.

>>8919702
You're right. They'll write an actual thesis not a tumblr blog.

>>8919825
>implying they read it and didn't just approve it to get her out of there after 12 years

>>8919813
>There we go.
What? Me proving what every non-crazy person (not that there are that many left) already knows.
That as long as you're pressing the right buttons, "representing" the right groups and pointing fingers at the approved enemies you can say the most crazy, off-topic shit anywhere and be praised for it.
Me bringing up holocaust-revisionism was merely an example that left-wing crazyness is rewarded, right-wing (crazyness) is punished. None of them are appropriate at the AMS, but this example shows their double-standard.

>>8919809
that guy is nowhere near the woman in the OP
>My personal approach is to ground these kinds of discussions in the values used to derive the course design decisions. I teach with inquiry, and I emphasize communication, collaboration, multiple perspectives, and learning from each other because of beliefs I hold about learning. Because I’ve been explicit about these values and design choices, I can connect the kinds of discussions of politics in this post to the course, so it feels related. Moreover, because I’ve built this foundation early in the course, these political conversations are part of the continuity of the course, not breaks from the course to do something awkward that closes completely when they’re over. But pausing your course for a few minutes to talk together about the context in which you are all living is absolutely a useful approach too.

>>8919828
What does that have to do with science(/sci/ remember?) though?

>>8919837
A respected organization of professional mathematicians is destroying our profession with this cancer. This is science and mathematics related. Our profession has avoided this cancer but it is starting to seep in now. Sad!

>>8919810
Academic CS? There are obviously a huge push to make tech as "diverse" as possible, and maybe CS academics are (forced to) contributing to this because many people who'll go into tech will study CS.
You may be right, I don't know. It just sounds weird that there should be such differences.

>>8919809
>Katz
Hmm, I wonder.

>>8919618
You're all stupid and cherry picking. She wrote her thesis in sections: one for the novice, one for someone in nearby fields, and one for the expert. Of course the portion written for the novice is basic.

>>8919844
to me it just seems like

>mathematicians are just weird
>there is a big push for more women in tech, as you said
>physics has always been more male-dominated anyway

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>>8919837
Person got a doctorate in mathematics at fucking ivy league school as a participation prize and proceeds to use her newly acquired position of authority to sell social marxism.
Nothing to see here folks!

>>8919736

Well its clear fucking niggers and spics can't just coexist with us and get on with it without chimping and destroying everything. I care about science more than them.

>>8919583
>>8919618
>>8919625
How did she get into Princeton again? Looking at her CV she majored in "romance languages" and was a masters student for 7 fucking years before taking off another 6 to raise a child, then just popped back into her thesis for a year before leaving, no wonder the thesis is so shit, it takes a several months to compile, clean, and write up a good thesis, but she basically just shitted this out in a year. Seriously read the thesis, it's bad.

>>8919705
What the fuck is "infant care related misogyny"

>single black lady
>gave birth to multiple children

Way to be a stereotype.

>>8919769
I agree with you, I'm just saying what probably happened. If they kicked her out she would have cried racism and sexism so hard. The department might have just not wanted to deal with that

>>8919865
I can see it now:
>institutional racism fostered by white cis males makes it impossible for me to pass the qualifying exam, and makes fair grading impossible. grading itself is an oppressive white cis male construct that reinforces oppression of colored bodies while ignoring other forms of understanding used by people of color.

>>8919847
I've never heard of anyone writing a version of their thesis "for the novice"

>>8919583
>>8919625
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1309.2025.pdf
The paper this thesis is based on is 12 pages, the thesis is 139, what the fuck? What happened to the three paper rule? You know, a thesis requires at least three solid papers worth of material, unless it's devoted to one big result or construction.

>>8919868
That's because other people don't. I was just discussing this the other day. Basically, math papers are a bitch to read. Authors, especially grad students, try to talk things up so they look clever and sophisticated, which is detrimental to giving understanding. So Piper went through extra work to make her thesis accessible. I like the idea, truthfully.

>>8919879
It's also a good way to turn what eventually turned out to be a 12 page paper into a 100+ page "thesis"

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Where did it go wrong.

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YOU WILL NOT REPLACE US, RUSSIA IS OUR FRIEND, HAIL TRUMP, HAIL OUR PEOPLE

IDENTITY EVROPA

>>8919884
And big tough geniuses don't have to read all 100 pages.

>>8919722
I had a paper published by the time I graduated from high school.

How the fuck did she have only 1 paper published during her entire 13 years studying for her PhD? How did she even get into Princeton? Why didn't they kick her out after she clearly made no progress? I have so many questions.

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>>8919889
they will truly never learn

also is the short guy the same guy that went to prison for 5 years after he robbed an iraqi taxi driver at gun point

>>8919891
I think you're missing the point that a phd thesis is supposed to contain a significant contribution to the field.

>>8919905
It's really not, and it rarely does. You also can't measure the worth of a paper by its page count.

>>8919879
Yeah, but thats not the case. Read her anaolgies and theyre fucking garbage. The paper is instead, to the layman, a poorly written ebonics strewn ivory tower exercise in ridiculous math bullshit.

At least reading a regular thesis it wouldnt be painful from a literary standpoint. This thing is an affront to the english language and I as a layman have no more understanding of its content than I would any other math thesis.

Honestly, if it was just a shittily written blog post of a thesis I could forgive it, but no, it just had to throw in some social justice bullshit.

I wonder how many posting here are actually mathematicians.

http://blogs.ams.org/inclusionexclusion/about-this-blog/
>About this Blog

>This is a blog about underrepresented groups in mathematics. The main goal of this blog is to discuss issues pertaining to marginalized and underrepresented groups in mathematics. We hope that by increasing awareness of these issues, we will help develop a more inclusive, supportive, and diverse community of mathematicians. Topics may include: conferences targeted at underrepresented groups, inclusive teaching strategies, summaries of current educational research, features about inspiring and successful underrepresented mathematicians, and advice for students, faculty, and researchers at all levels.

it's not even the main blog, jesus

>>8919909
How many other theses at Princeton do you think were deliberately made 10 times longer than they needed to be just so it would look like a lot of writing?

>>8919889
>>8919851
>>8919730
Seems the leftypol and left-wing reddit invasion have started to use sock-puppet tactics on /sci/.
Fuck off.

>>8919915
it has 39 subscribers

shit
>>8919917
see>>8919879

>>8919918
/sci/ - Science & Math

>>8919917
How dense are you that you don't get this? The point is not inflated length or the author being a poor mathematician. The point is to acknowledge a problem in the math community and try something towards fixing it.

>>8919851
>implying plenty of whites dont buy in to this shit

>>8919920
Yes, the answer to my rhetorical question was 0. Nobody else does what she did, because they aren't frauds

>>8919923
The bitch is a fraud. The point was to water down a short paper to the point where they could pass it off as a reasonable thesis. And she hasn't published anything since

>>8919918
is it my fault /yourguys/ literally wrote identity EVROPA on a piece of paper and posed for a goofy picture
i'm sorry, but it's funny and it's not my fault it happened

it's farcical

>>8919889
is this the notorious antifa group

>>8919932
Sure, but I don't see how it's relevant to this thread though. Mocking right-wingers is fine, it's just out of place in a thread discussing the bat-shit crazyness of this "mathematician" and the attitudes that allow her to pass as one.

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WEW LADS has anyone had a look at her blog?
>Be Piper
>bitch about no one hiring you due to shitty cv
>claim systemic racism

Voice of Reason
>I do have some questions though: considering that the academic job market is made of N positions and 1000*N applicants, how can you rationally ascribe your difficulties to a matter of race and gender, when you are the first to say that you don’t have a CV that stands out? Someone was hired for those positions that you applied for: are you sure that you deserved those positions more than all other candidates?

Piper
>You can’t qualify away a sexist and racist argument with “I don’t claim to understand”s and “I don’t deny”s. Riddle me this, why aren’t there more women and people of color in math if not for sexism and racism? Spell it out for me. Your answer will either be “sexism and racism” or your answer will be sexist and racist. Beware of the whiteness and cis het maleness inherent in what passes for “objectivity.”

http://www.theliberatedmathematician.com/2016/05/hire-me/

>>8919957
>>8919851
someone made it relevant earlier

thank you for asking

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>academia is full of people who got in there because of their gender and skin color
>the only way to fix it is to put more people in there based on their gender and skin color
this is what drives me up the fucking wall about my fellow lefties. these kinds of diversity initiatives don't fucking work because:
a) they're trying to fix wrongful discrimination by using wrongful discrimination, not working towards an actual meritocracy,
b) if white cis men who favor equality leave positions of power, all it means is that white cis men who oppose equality will be comparatively enriched in the upper echelons, and
c) it doesn't address the underlying problem of women and minorities being discouraged AS GRADE SCHOOLERS from pursuing careers in STEM.

want to make academia more diverse? excellent! here's how you do it:
>decouple school funding from local property taxes, so growing up in a poor neighborhood doesn't condemn you do having a shitty education
>fund inclusive initiatives to get kids involved and interested in science; after-school tutoring, school clubs, and school visits from professionals are all good ways to go. focus on the message that science and math are for EVERYONE
>shit, just send more money to schools in general
>train hiring committee members on combating implicit bias. everyone's got it, but it only becomes a problem if we're unaware of it and let it tilt our actions
the answer to women and minorities being underrepresented in academia isn't to lower the standards for them, but rather to give them the same shot as white men have. instead of excusing people who were set up to fail, let's stop setting them up to fail. this is the kind of "soft racism of low expectations" shit that GWB talked about. gotta think of future generations here.
but there are people on the left who think that everything can be fixed overnight if we just kick out the white men and replace them with women of color. and that's unrealistic, unethical, and fuckstupid.

>>8919987
this

i hope she loses the right to blogpost bullshit

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>>8919888
something she did pissed off the normies so they beat her to death with clamshells (or maybe roof tiles?)
feels bad, man. Hypatia was pretty cool.

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>>8919668
>fictional actual

>>8919792

Until today I didn't think this happened in mathematics either.

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>>8919583
Here's a highlight.

The AMS has been pushing the "diversity" angle harder and harder over the past few years, but this is the worst I've seen.

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>>8919705
I don't know what her deal is, but it's kinda fucked up that her takeaway from motherhood is that American society mistreats mothers, rather than the joy and struggle that come with parenthood
imagine being her kid and reading her CV, and seeing the story of how you came into the world being described as "Oppression" by your mother. I mean, holy hell.

also who the fuck lists the daily business of existing in a shitty world under their education? I've spent the past four years battling my anxiety disorder EVERY SINGLE DAY (and winning most days) but that doesn't fucking belong on a CV!

>>8919915
a blind old man did math what the fuck do you need to "promote"

you literally just need a pencil and paper, maybe you save up to get a computer and a copy of mathematica but you can get by for a while with maxima

What the fictional actual fuck is wrong with the AMS?

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>>8919625
Oh, fuck sake.
Stream of consciousness is not a way to write a thesis. You may be charming and funny and polished as a speaker, but it's simply not possible to write how one speaks and come up with something intelligible. In print, maintaining flow is far less important than in the spoken word. Writing well is less about arranging a compelling narrative, and more about laying out your argument in a clear and concise way. You don't need to punctuate things with an offhand comment to give your audience time to catch up, if you're writing; you can proceed directly to your next point, and the reader will simply follow at their own pace. Nor is it necessary to recapitulate every paragraph with a summary; the reader has the luxury of going back and rereading a passage they are unclear on. Written communication can be more compact, because the pace is controlled by the reader rather than the writer, and because the writer has the opportunity to edit it before shipping it off, it should be significantly more polished.

Of course, if I expressed any of these views to her, she'd probably accuse me of tone policing. But just because we shouldn't be snobs about colloquial versus formal modes of speech doesn't mean we can't use formal speech in, say, A DOCTORAL THESIS/DISSERTATION. I can slip into Chicagoland street talk (heavily influenced by African-American Vernacular English, Yiddish, Polish, and Irish speech patterns) but you better believe I'm not going to include it in a poster abstract.

>>8919583
They added an addendum. The page is different than the archived version that can be seen here https://archive.fo/CqQYg

ADDENDUM: Since last Friday, this post has been getting lots of comments, some of which are very inappropriate. We would like to remind our readers of a few things:

This is a blog post, an opinion piece, and a provocation to think. As Piper says, it is about “shifting perspective”. It is not being written by a university president, nor is it something we are acting upon. We are not actually firing anyone. A common argumentation device is to take something to the extreme to really help us do the shifting (and often with things regarding race and gender, this is an effective device, albeit upsetting for some). This also does not necessarily represent the opinions of the AMS and its members, it represents our point of view.
We assert our right to express controversial opinions in a civilized way, because it is legal to do so. We are not even the first or most extreme, we are just doing this from a different point of view. Here is a Breitbart piece on the exact counter-argument, which I found deeply offensive but nonetheless did not cause me to explode in rage and start a social media war.
Please do share your comments if you disagree, but recall our guidelines for posting comments (see below).
Any comments containing profanity, insults, personal attacks, or suggestions of violence will not be approved, no matter how carefully reasoned the rest of your comment was.
We will try to respond to comments, but the sheer volume is making it hard to do so in a timely manner. Rest assured that if your comment follows the guidelines (and see item (4)) it will at least be posted.
Thanks for reading the inclusion/exclusion blog.

— Adriana Salerno, Editor-in-Chief, May 18, 2017.

>>8919869

Manjul Bhargava is first author, and brilliant. He won a Fields Medal in 2014. The paper is no doubt legit.

>>8920041
>white males should be fired and not hired
>really makes u think
I take it "Adriana" is a woman's name.

Women should all be fired and not hired. I'M JUST TRYING TO SHIFT YOUR PERSPECTIVE ADRIANA.

>>8919851
>spics

Hey gringo don't lump us into this shit we keep out of identity politics for the most part. If anything it's Mexicans who are always complaining. They're not the only group in the Spanish speaking world.

>If you're a white man you should let me, the black woman have your job!
Even the educated ones demand gibmedats
Jesus fucking christ

>>8920083
see >>8919966 and read her rant.

>>8919705
> Fields medal advisor

>>8920050
Piper Harron the fraud wrote a 100+ page thesis full of retarded informal unnecessary crap.

Her advisor Bhargava later edited it down to 12 pages and published it in a respectable journal.

A 12 page paper in a good journal is nice, but it's not a thesis.

>>8919709
Pajeet and asians make all work

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>>8919966
>sexism and racism are responsible for women and minorities being underrepresented in STEM fields
This is broadly true.
>sexism and racism are why this one particular black woman didn't get the position she wanted
>sexism and racism are why every single white man got his current position
These do not follow from the above
>you should hire me because I'm a black woman, even though my CV isn't particularly good
This is straight up a /pol/ caricature of how affirmative action works.

>Ph.D. in mathematics
>doesn't understand statistics
>angery react starting

>>8919583
why do I get the feeling the person who started this thread started >>8916972 but didn't get the responses he wanted?

>>8919966
The thing is her CV does stand out, in a bad way. When I read it I wondered if it was real and then I wondered what was wrong

>got into grad school at Princeton in math, with no undergrad math degree
>got phd after writing a 100+ page thesis that was essentially a 12 page paper that she stretched out
>this one thing was and still is her only publication
>is still employed in academia

"If we want justice, we must stop being reasonable. We must throw out all our notions of the right way to do things. (Academics, purge your belief in meritocracy.) This is an emergency.

Do not negotiate with racists. Do not negotiate with bigots. Do not compromise on justice.

Stay woke.
Stay unreasonable.
Stay screaming."

-Piper Herron

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>>8920110
>>sexism and racism are responsible for women and minorities being underrepresented in STEM fields
>This is broadly true.

>>8920110
>This is broadly true.

No, it's not. Life choices is why women and minorities are underrepresented in STEM fields. Minorities choose to follow the thug life and die/be incarcerated, women choose social and biological sciences as they are more interested in it.

Im from /pol/, help me out here.

>We need to decouple success in mathematics from IQ. IQ is a social construct that cishet white men devised that defines “intelligence” on the basis of culture. Sadly, there is a direct correlation between high IQ and “earning” a PhD in a STEM discipline, which is all too reflective of how white cishet men have designed disciplinary concepts to reinforce their own power structures.

>It is fundamentally unfair and marginalizing for IQ tests and mathematics curriculum to be designed around the same white supremacist, cisheteronormative standards, thus marginalizing women of color. What we need isn’t just “fair hiring;” we need a radical reconceptualization of mathematics in a decolonizing framework.

Ehhh im trying really hard ... to not kill myself right now. This has to be satire, right?

Maybe im wrong, since all people are the same after all.

>>8919653
husband is a white cucked professor there

>>8920136
Proof?

>>8920125
Your white privilege is showing...

>>8920041
>Here is a Breitbart piece on the exact counter-argument
Breitbart is an openly right-wing news outlet, not a supposedly balanced math blog. It doesn't pretend to be politically neutral.

>>8920126
Go back to Arabian math.

>>8920141
husband is robert harron, student of andrew wiles - google the shit

>>8920147
At least Breitbart is open about their bias, it's basically just the huffingtonpost of the right, except huffington post pretends it's real journalism and not propaganda.

>>8920145
>muh evil white supremacy nazi patriarchy illuminati conspiracy in the highest levels of world governance hiding behind every bush and every pole to frame and disenfranchise the innocent baby girls of color!

>>8920154
yeah that's what I'm getting at.

>>8920157
You forgot about the transphobic reptilians and Islamophobic mole-people working under Xenu against the coming of our anarchocommunist utopia using incomprehensible and ineffable institutionalized oppression.

>>8920154
In whatever way Breitbart "accepts" its own bias, which it does not at all, Huffington post does as well. theres no difference. kill yourself

>>8920147
>not a supposedly balanced math blog
Even worse AMS claims to be apolitical. So political nonsense needs to GTFO, and post more math that makes us feel like brainlets (or at least question our imposter syndrome)

>>8920152
>fields medalist and the guy that cracked FLT via the modularity theorem produced this
math was a mistake

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HOLY SHIT, BLOWN THE FUCK OUT

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>>8920152
Damn dude looks like a total sperglord turbocuck!

>>8920171
>In whatever way Breitbart "accepts" its own bias, which it does not at all,

uhh

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breitbart_News

>Bannon declared the website "the platform for the alt-right" in 2016

you were saying?

>>8920182
why did she marry a cishet white man?

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>>8920179
Didn't Milo write that article? What's this roasties point?

>>8920184
Why the fuck do you think?

So she can make him her literal slave.

>>8919747
Blacks are more aggressive and idiotic than any other race.

http://theunsilencedscience.blogspot.com/2012/12/scientists-rediscover-violence-gene.html?m=1

>>8920183
Stating it is a platform =/= admitting twisting stories in a political fashion. Breitbart does not come out and say "Ok guys, we basically lie to your faces and tell you what you want to hear. Please subscribe."

>>8920187
>reading comprehension
It's saying the AMS article is Breitbart-tier.

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>>8920184
>why did she marry a cishet white man?
Maybe she saw something in Gummy McGummerson? At the very least, /sci/ can divorce their 2d waifus and get a 3d brainlet strong black independent womyn waifu!

>>8919583

>Fucking hate this lady
>Not a racist

John Urschel is a cool guy
http://math.mit.edu/~urschel/cv.pdf

>>8920194
>a pre-puppeteer to trick a strong black woman with your fictional actual thumb bend
LOL

>>8919987
>it doesn't address the underlying problem of women and minorities being discouraged AS GRADE SCHOOLERS from pursuing careers in STEM
They simply don't, won't or can't you crazy cunt.

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>>8920124
>>8920125
there's more to racism and sexism than just some white guy saying "UR NOT ALLOWED"
there's a stigma against women going into STEM; they're seen as boys' fields, which is why girls are less likely to go into science. a black kid in middle school will be perceived by his peers as "acting white" if he expresses an interest in comp sci, in a lot of places. this is what outreach is supposed to combat.

both SJWs and /pol/acks need to let go of this idea that racism and sexism are enforced by boogiemen who lurk around to keep women and minorities where they belong; the most insidious ideas are the ones that nobody really wants anymore, but still hang on because we don't realize how much they affect our subconscious reasoning. very few people would go up to little Annie in third grade and tell her "oh sweetie, girls can't be engineers; they have to be English teachers instead", but your average Annie gets that message all the same, from her classmates' attitudes, from the subconscious responses of teachers and parents, and from who they see representing those fields. and eventually Annie internalizes it (usually without even realizing it) and becomes less likely to go to engineering school.

1/2

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>>8920208
2/2
this is part of why diversity in academia is important; to show impressionable children that no matter who you are, you can study whatever you want to study; there are no men's fields or women's fields, no white subjects or black subjects or asian subjects. of course, the flip side of this kind of representation is that those representatives (of whatever groups) have to actually be legitimate professionals in their field. people like Herron define themselves by their victimized status; she's not "a mathematician who happens to be a black woman", but has rather deliberately made herself "a black woman mathematician".

the Jackie Robinsons and Jerry Lawsons and Barbara McClintocks of the world didn't demand that everyone heap praise on them because they had survived discrimination. no, they fought through it all to show that they were great in their own right, and in so doing inspired others to follow in their footsteps. the ones who think they command respect just because they got a raw deal but still did okay? they're just pretenders, the flip side of the coin to the "good old boy" who got where he is through patronage and nepotism.

>>8920208
>there's a stigma against women going into STEM
>"oh sweetie, girls can't be engineers; they have to be English teachers instead"
>which is why girls are less likely to go into science
have you seen the average university these days? i don't know about you but my math classes had a majority female students from my first year right until i graduated

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>>8920208
>against women going into STEM; they're seen as boys' fields, which is why girls are less likely to go into science
Want to try that word salad again?

How do you explain females in the third world rushing to get into STEM?

>>8920211
You can study whatever you want without going to university. That being the case, the rest of your posts are trash.

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>>8920208
Now that (You)r >>8920211 keyboard has been fried in butter perhaps you can STFU with your sociological bullshit. Unless you're Tai, and want to phonepost about your "method"

>>8920227
>medicine
>science

>>8920192
>bias = lying
learn something new every day

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>>8920208
>>8920211
Piper Harron is a fraud. Promoting loud, cunty black frauds as math professors is not going to convince any reasonable, talented girls to go into math.

You know a real female mathematician when she's more interested in actual math than she is in "gender issues" in math.

>>8920208
>>8920211
>had to write an essay
I wonder (((who)))'s behind these posts

>>8920157
Why the fuck do you even respond? Are you fucking retarded?

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>>8920212
>i don't know about you but my math classes had a majority female students from my first year right until i graduated
the plural of "anecdote" is not "data"
pic related

>>8920213
>Want to try that word salad again?
there is a cultural/societal perception that math and science are "for boys", which dissuades a lot of girls from studying them. look down the toy aisle at your local retailer; toys marketed to boys are more likely to involve combat and mechanisms, while those marketed to girls are more likely to involve socializing and artistic endeavors. (or, to simplify, boys play with action figures but girls play with dolls. there's a certain amount of this that does seem to be neurological, if studies on gorillas and infants are any guide, but it's enhanced by our culture.)
sorry about the garbled prose, though; I'm a little wiped out today.

>How do you explain females in the third world rushing to get into STEM?
in third world countries, formal education is the exception rather than the norm. there's often not the infrastructure outside of the main cities for kids to go to school, and economic conditions often mean that they drop out around middle school and start working instead because their families need the income. I'm talking about American/Western society, though.

>>8920244
Poe's law.

>>8920245
so women get somewhere between 42-48% of math degrees according to your picture

what exactly is the issue?

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>>8920239
>Promoting loud, cunty black frauds as math professors is not going to convince any reasonable, talented girls to go into math.
this is 100% true. and it's pretty much what I said >>8920211
I think we're on the same side here.

>>8920241
>some guy on the internet elaborated on his claims instead of just posting smuganimeface
>must be a CUNSPURICY!!!1!!
I wonder which board you could possibly need to go back to...

>>8920251
Yes, because as we all know that is the sole STEM degree being discussed.

her cv:
http://www.theliberatedmathematician.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/PiperHarron.pdf

her white cis het husbands cv:
https://math.hawaii.edu/~rharron/RobertHarron.pdf

>>8920227
how have I not heard of this
I'm gonna start citing my winsaam AUCs as automated updated Tai's modelling

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>>8920251
it's not so bad for physci or math, biosci and sosc are about even/slightly female-skewed, and psych is extremely female-skewed. but look at comp sci and enganeers! (plus, there's a lot of variation within those. you'll find plenty of female chemists, for example, but very few female geoscientists.)

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>>8920227
comments on that dumpster fire of a paper are absolute comedy gold though
>http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/17/10/1223.2

>>8920256
that was the only one i mentioned... and its what the blog post in OP was about

and wow it's almost like as efforts to enforce gender equality increase, whether in USA or in scandinavian countries, you get more and more women going into the softer/social sciences because that's what they're generally more interested in...

>>8920264
How do you still not get this? That's the point! Why aren't women interested in hard sciences? There's zero evidence to suspect it's genetic.

>>8920270
How do you still not get this? There's every reason to suspect it's genetic since every effort to control social factors causes INCREASES the gender divide, sending more men into STEM and more women into things like nursing

women generally don't like getting autistic thinking about math and physics problems, men generally don't like nursing, get used to it

>>8920184
>implying he's not cuckkin

>>8919705
Her CV screams "lawsuit". You'd have to be a fucking moron to hire someone who is looking for ways to be a victim.

>>8920278
Are you comparing thinking about math with nursing? I suppose I am arguing with a 16 year old who throws around the word autistic to describe everything.

>>8919734
Next, time, you, want, to, use, commas, think, very, carefully, about, where you, put them.

>>8920239
>I put a comic strip in my math thesis
Jesus...

>>8920287
Obviously he did, since that's what he wrote. I'm sure he could have put down sociology if it would get your nutsack untangled.

>>8920287
>Are you comparing thinking about math with nursing?
I don't even know how you got that implication, all I said was that there are differing natural draws for both genders

> I suppose I am arguing with a 16 year old who throws around the word autistic to describe everything.
i have a math degree and am a graduate student, it's not a particularly glamorous life and women generally desire more in their social life then what they would likely get sitting around in chalkdust-filled classrooms

you can read http://roseproject.no/network/countries/norway/eng/nor-Sjoberg-Schreiner-overview-2010.pdf if you have nothing else than ad hominems left

>>8920298
I'm also a math grad student. You literally said women like nursing, not thinking about math. One is a hobby, as open to both genders from birth as can be. One is a biological duty that only one gender is physically capable of performing. How is that a "natural draw" to be compared to thinking about math?

>>8920287
>Are you comparing thinking about math with nursing?
In this context there's nothing wrong with that, we were talking about why all groups aren't equally represented in certain activities. Answer: They're more fit for doing X other activity.

You're a disgusting. pathetic waste of human organs, sincerely; please kill yourselves and donate your organs to POC. Even rapists and heroin junkies are better people than you.

>>89203027
>One is a hobby, as open to both genders from birth as can be.
i thought we were talking about academia here, not recreational math?

> One is a biological duty that only one gender is physically capable of performing.
you know nursing is a career right? have you ever been to a hospital? where do you live that there are 0 male nurses?

hello?

>>8920302
I started to make fun of you but that seems ruder than normal. Nursing in this context means to work as a nurse in a hospital, not breastfeeding.

>>8920306
for
>>8920302
obviously

>>8920302
>How is that a "natural draw" to be compared to thinking about math?
Not him, but how much time you got mate? If not much then at least watch the first video. It speaks to "real researchers" and "[bitter studies] researchers" about what the science says. Yes, you need to change the url a bit, but the changes should be obvious.

https://www.PLEEBIT.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1vuho8/the_documentary_that_made_scandinavians_cut_all/

>>8920307
Lol I finally caught that. It's been a long day and that sounds like the kind of stupid thing I'd read here. My bad.

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>>8919966
>There are 950 whites, 45 blacks, and 5 indians
>There are 900 jobs
>There are 880 whites, 19 blacks, and 1 indians employed
>OMFG WHY ARENT THERE MORE BLACKS AND INDIANS WTF WTF WTF
How are people this stupid

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>>8919583

Here is a thought lads. Fuck her. Gun for a Fields Medal just to spite. don't give a fuck what she wants. Instruct her to suck your ass.

I don't fucking get the nerve of these people to demand that not only she or trans color women deserve your spot but you owe to them to give them your seat.

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a math professor who refuses to communicate math with other math professors. seems legit.

Surely she doesn't feel a lack of confidence due to being a fraud who actually sucks at math. It must be the patriarchy.

>>8920322
>doesn't talk about math with mathematicians because reasons
>decides to pursue a PhD in mathematics
every time she opens her mouth she sets women back a week, do the math

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>>8920322

It feels like we are experiencing the birth of a new religion that is being pushed to a crushing force on all of us. It just doesn't go away and doesn't let up until we accept it's teachings as truth. It's maddening. I don't understand why anyone is opposing it at the same time. There are plenty of people talking out against it but nobody is really putting in any effort to challenge this cancerous ideology. Feels bad/frustrating/soul-crushing man.

>>>/pol/

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>>8920326
>I don't understand why anyone is opposing it at the same time. There are plenty of people talking out against it but nobody is really putting in any effort to challenge this cancerous ideology.

>>8919987
>asians are a minority
>somehow succeeded despite all the muh oppresive white male bullshit you tell yourself is real
>the drumbeat for women in stem is only getting louder every year, every medium and hobby for kids is used to include women in stem to the point of absurdity
but muh white males who literally play video games all day and are failing out of schools at an insane rate are oppressing me

>>8920326
they get fired

>>8919600
lol

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>>8920337
>asians are a minority
>somehow succeeded despite all the muh oppresive white male bullshit you tell yourself is real
Nice try SHITLORD. Asians and Jews are "the model minority" Check your privilege and exit stage left

>>8919675
IAS

>>8919583
/pol/ tried to warn you fags that SJWs spare no one and that it was only a matter of time before this happened. Welcome to the current state of the western world.

You people really ask why there are less girl in Engineering? Really?
Because all of the girls I know don't fucking like to stay in the dusty construction, or near machines reek of oils, or get under the sewer.
Don't ask me why they don't want to get into the field, ASK THEM INSTEAD.
Obviously there are exceptions but generally girls don't like the freaking dirty work and don't blame "sexism" for that.
That is why Math and CS have more girls anyway because they are more comfortable.

we need 50% of garbage collectors to be women

also 50% of pizza deliverers should be women

also 50% of homeless people should be women

>>8920414
>engineering is construction and shit
not sure if bait

>BA in NYU
>MS & PhD in Princeton with a Fields medal advisor
She probably (or her mommy and daddy) played for all that shit and got dem degrees.
No way in hell she will get a full ride by these unis and get that advisor just like that, /sci/.

However that post on AMS itself is kind of overboard, and I hope it gets deleted ASAP or else they will face problems, right?

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>>8920436
>However that post on AMS itself is kind of overboard, and I hope it gets deleted ASAP or else they will face problems, right?
A rational AMS member would hope so, but it seems not as they are doubling down on their nonsense as evidenced by >>8920041

They will let it stand, unfortunately.

Are there any science organizations left that are not cucked by cultural marxism/virtue signaling?

Her professional cv says radiolab did a bit on her thesis. I quite liked that show. I'd love to hear their take on her.

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>>8919618
>Formulas!
that is what would happen if buzzfeed tried to write a proof

>>8920456
>They will let it stand, unfortunately.
Damn son, this is going down hard.

I give it 2 years that this kind of shit will appear on the actual AMS site, but w/e.
RIP all forms of science

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>>8919660
>Since having a toddler

What the FUCK does this have to do with math?

next paragraph
>Okay so...

found her profile pic

>>8919752
Do they have a large group? Odds are she went with the flow for 4-5 years, then blackmailed the SOB into approving her thesis.

Most graduates from my group employ some variation of this. It's not as bad as it sounds.

None of you have any place to judge the quality of her math. You actually believe it more likely that there's some grand conspiracy to put black women in important places than that this woman did good work. Incredibly you've all missed the point of writing the thesis the way she did. This board is a joke.

>>8919625
if you asked professors at your own school whether this would be allowed as a thesis I bet they would say no

>>8920281
ironically they teach you to be aware of this shit at princeton. maybe she was let in for some observational study

>>8920488
>went with the flow for 4-5 years
according to her CV she was actually only there for two years...

>>8920503
That's absolutely not what her CV says. She left after however many years with a master's and then came back and finished her thesis. That's far from uncommon.

At least she has an accurate self-conception. Her 'about the editors' paragraph:

Piper Harron tried really hard to play by the rules of society and academia, but she failed. Not only did she fail, but she was miserable and found that playing by the rules wouldn’t even keep her safe. After giving up completely, and after giving birth to her second child, she finally finished the first draft of her number theory PhD thesis in 2014, a mere 6 years late. She officially got her degree from Princeton University in January 2016, and is currently a Temporary Assistant Professor at the University of Hawaii at Manoa. She dedicates her work to everyone who dabbles in misery, trying to find their way in systems that don’t support them, and to anyone trying to tear it all down.

>>8919868

That's because you're a privileged ableist shitlord

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>>8919835
Boom-shacka-lacka

>>8920493
>I bet they would say no
>say no
>say
I would be laughed out of the meeting!

>>8919847
you're fuckin stupid mate

>>8919987
>>shit, just send more money to schools in general
and where are you going to take that money from? hospitals? defence? raise taxes?

money is a finite scarcity.

>>8920008
same.

>>8920011
that can't be real

>>8920510
excuse me, I meant just as a Ph.D. student

>>8920536
No, I do too. Princeton isn't going to take Master's students. You come in as a PhD student, and if you decide to leave before your thesis you are still granted a master's degree so long as you've done quals and however much coursework. I would recommend that if it seems like someone is doing something absurd and it makes absolutely no sense to you, maybe it's because you don't fully understand the situation.

>>8920031
exactly.

the less work the author does, the more work the reader has to do. and since a thesis (or anything, really) is written once, and read many times then the author will be appreciated for putting in the appropriate amount work.

her style is what i would expect from a failing high school student

>>8920491
>multiple math PhD students comment ITT
>hurr u can't comment on her work
thanks

>>8920041
Well Adriana, maybe we DON'T LIKE YOUR ARGUMENT! Did you ever slip that variable into your formula?

>>8920208>>8920208
>a black kid in middle school will be perceived by his peers as "acting white" if he expresses an interest in comp sci, in a lot of places.


>"acting white"
so how is that white people's fault?

sounds to me it's black people's fault.

As a black male who has worked tirelessly to contribute in a meaningful way to STEM, I would gladly sign a petition telling this woman to fuck off. I couldn't care less about whether or not my colleagues look like me or whether they're confused about their chromosomes: literally the only thing that is important is that the people I work with are competent.

I don't want the well-educated and well-established figures to "move out of the way" because they're white; I want the chance to work with them and prove my mark in the same manner they did.

>>8920541

Princeton does, in fact, offer Masters' degrees. This is a relatively recent development, but it's real.

>>8920562
That's what everyone who's there for the right reason wants. I know someone like you at my uni, he's smarter than me. You will go far, dude.

>>8920564
What I'm suggesting, and maybe this was unclear, is that it is unlikely that they take many people for terminal Master's.

>>8920511
>accurate self conception
>no systems support me
>allowed to get multiple degrees from elite institutions

wew fucking lad

>>8920570

Black guy here. Too many """systems""" supported her attitude.

There should obviously be room for creativity, but this isn't creativity. She should have either been made to prove that she is at least WILLING to do actual work in her field or be removed to make space for somebody who is.

>>8920564
Not in math. It's given along the way in the phd program but one mayn't enroll in a math masters.

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I'm literally shaking rn. Did the AMS actually publish this cow's story

can anyone find the radiolab segment on her?

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>>8920557
like I said, these ideas worm their way into people's heads. kids are impressionable; they pick up on what's around them. and when elements within our culture tell kids that science is for white men and black men are supposed to be athletes or musicians instead, they internalize it. those kids being black themselves doesn't make them immune to it.

if you're trying to figure out who to blame, you're barking up the wrong tree. the people who got the ball rolling have been dead for centuries. institutionalized racism in America is a relic left over from an economic system based on labor-intensive cash crops, a tool designed to enrich the moneyed classes by recruiting poor white people to keep black slaves subdued.
in the end, it was a bad deal for everybody involved; black Africans and their descendants were brutalized and exploited, working-class whites suffered from low wages and unemployment (since cheap slave labor got rid of a lot of the jobs they'd otherwise fill), and even the planters ended up screwing themselves over eventually (since they'd sunk their money into slaves, and then their slaves were all freed after the war). (note of course that most SJWs would call for my head on a spike for admitting that slavery was bad for people besides blacks.) but some patterns in society have a way of propagating themselves even if they're not beneficial to anyone. as before, the only ones benefiting from this holdover are rich assholes who stoke divisions to distract the working man from how they're getting screwed.
but enough of my quasi-socialist rantings. the point is, we're kinda fucked

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>>8919660
>I almost said "on your watch" LOL
i-is this real?

>>8920575
well i just finished my first year in math grad school, and this shit kind of makes me want to abandon the academia meme.

>>8920596
i think its TBA

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>>8920597
slavery existed in every single culture, black people enslaved other blacks until white people became smart enough to build ships and get to where black peolpe were living, then the more powerful black people sold the less powerful black people to the white people for gold nuggets.

america was the first country in the world to seriously consider the idea that slavery is wrong. just get the facts straight before you start going on your "all americans benefited from brutal slavery" soapbox of lies

>>8919618
>>8919625

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Muh Ivies, RIGHT?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>>8920623
>Muh Ivies, RIGHT?
https://obamaprincetonthesis.wordpress.com/

>Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community
by
>Michelle LaVaughn Robinson
>A thesis presented to Princeton University

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