Do you think rudimentary math predates spoken language?

>>8912656
Yes. You don't need language to be able to count. Even some animals can count, like crows.

>>8912656
No, the Pirahã tribe was not able to learn how to understand what 1+1 is or how to count until they switched to Portuguese for trade. Their language has no concept of quantity and they were unable to understand it due to that.

>>8912701
wow, waht a bunch of retards

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>>8912685

That's right!

>>8912701
I'm skeptical

>>8912701
Yes that's because it wasn't in their language. Animals have the concept of quantity and so do the Pirahã tribe, they just don't have specific words for quantities. They have "fewer" and "greater", they didn't seem to require any more than that. That's not to say they didn't understand 1+1 or counting, it's just their language didn't have specific words regarding them. They surely understood them on an unconscious level.

Quantity and informal operations involving it are inherit in many animals including ourselves, it is what our Mathematics develops from.

>>8913364
>They surely understood them on an unconscious level

What did he mean by this?

>>8912701
Sounds like a completely true fact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishango_bone

>>tfw this ape was the Issac Newton of his day

>>8913372
They understood some mathematical operation intuitively but could not express them in their language