race is a social construct

>/sci/
>anecdotes
>baseless assertions
I really couldn't care less about your opinion bud, I care what the papers say. Cite some evidence or shut the fuck up because all reputable studies that have been replicated say IQ is 65-85% heritable
Also raven's matrices is bias free
http://www.larspenke.eu/pdfs/Deary_Penke_Johnson_2010_-_Neuroscience_of_intelligence_review.pdf

is skin color, height, body shape etc also a social construct?

>>8901269
>b-but CRIME RATES
another argument on this one is that if you look at european crime rates whites such as polish/romanians and albanins do more crimes than africans

>>8901294
yeah it actually is. None of that makes someone less of a person than someone else.

>>8901269
humans do have races ,but the way the average joe intend race is obviously a social construct

>>8901294
Race does not accurately reflect those things you just mentioned.

If you actually want to find genetic variations between people, you would realize that, dare I say, race is a spectrum.

Adjusting for education and IQ the difference is still there.

Also, IQ does not destroy knowledge or education. It's based on pure problem solving ability.

>>8901269
/pol/ in disguise, move along everyone.

Here is their strategy:
>pretend to be liberal
>make preachy progressive posts
>back it up with nothing
>make everyone think progressivism is some sort of religion not based in science

It's like reverse-trolling or some shit.

>>8901318
there's a global rule against racism and it isn't enforced

>>8901301
That's beside the point. Nobody right now is saying those differences would indicate someone is lesser or greater than another. You can't deny that there are genetic differences between groups of people. This does not mean that one group is lesser, or that they can't cooperate with one another, but just that there are obvious differences, just like there are between any individuals. What you were describing with your anecdotes, crime rates and low IQ and violence, are likely effects of the material conditions the race is subject to, such as poverty, societal oppression/racism, etc. and not necessarily the genetics of the race itself.

>>8901301

You're wrong, women dislike short men and they are also less trusted for positions of leadership. You're just deluded in ideology or a /pol/tard roleplaying to ''redpill'' people by bringing forth their own cognitive dissonances.

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>>8901318

>>>make everyone think progressivism is some sort of religion not based in science
>Implying it is not

/Pol/tard detected

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>>8901318
>>8902404

>Sex is on a spectrum
>Based on Science


Genuinely losing my sides right now, thank you.

>>8901301
Are you saying all non-social constructs inherently make us better or worse than each other?

>>8902416
yes

>>8902397
the likes and dislikes of women and sheeple are social constructs

>>8901341
we'll see who is right when wealth will be distributed equally throughout the world.

>>8901269
This is the least scientific thread on the board right now.

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>>8901269
>IQ is biased towards educated people
Correct, that's why we look at genetics and neurology and see that blacks develop their brains slower, have less brainpower, and are more aggressive.
>whites aren't violent?
No of course every race is, but whites when adjusted for population preform vice significantly less than the minorities. And not just in poor areas, it's classwide and agewide.
>give people education and a decent place to live and they won't rob your sorry ass
The US government spends nearly half its budget on welfare programs. We try, really hard. But dumb people will always find a way to fuck everything up for themselves and run cities (soon nations) into the ground.

As far as the (((social construct))) lie, see pic related.

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>>8901318
this - they lost the debate so they have to resort to false flagging

under somewhat ok educational conditions genotypic mean sub saharan african iq is ~90(a figure lower than 100, but still not that low since we also know that 100<107) as shown by nigerians and other countries
if nigerians could do it now, all of sub saharan africa can do it, since the entire subcontinent is sitting at about 80 right now

http://www.iapsych.com/iqmr/fe/LinkedDocuments/wicherts2010b.pdf

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886916310984

pic related is the lynn "estimates" vs reality

ps
http://www.unz.com/article/will-scrabble-have-the-last-word-on-the-iq-debate/

here's a recent addition to this 'debate'
i don't necessarily agree with everything, but he makes an interesting statistical argument and the article is recent + the author has other interesting articles

>>8904091
white people use organized terrorism (wars in the middle east, korea, vietnam) more than other races. They've found a way to direct their violent tendencies away from whites and onto other inhabitants on the planet.
It ensures that they keep their riches from colonialism and stay above and ahead of everyone else.
None of this is good. It's pretty evil.
But you treat these as good qualities because you're biased

>>8904132
That's the stupidest fucking goalpost shifting I've ever heard in my life

>>8904132
t. upper middle class, white liberal

>>8904138
>>8904148
>literally speechless
As usual i win

>>8904132
>>8904138
>>8904148
>>8904197
See here
>>8901318
Don't respond to the reverse-troll

>>8904199
You can't use /pol/ as a scapegoat for everything.

>>8904121
this MUST NOT be true

>>8904121
t. nigger

>>8904203
In some cases it's true though, as it is here. It's just some dude pretending to be retarded. "Fuck drumpf and fuck white ppl hurr" shit like that.

>>8904121
>under somewhat ok educational conditions genotypic mean sub saharan african iq is ~90(a figure lower than 100, but still not that low since we also know that 100<107)
white people are smarter than asians

90 is still too low

>>8904121
It's not their IQ that's the problem.
It's them being violent.

>>8901311

>If you actually want to find genetic variations between people, you would realize that, dare I say, race is a spectrum.

Races being a spectrum instead of distinct categories does not make it a social construct or any less real.

>>8904132
>you're biased
>B-BU-BUT IM NOT BIASED IM 100% CORRECT UNEQUIVOCALLY

>>8904215
>>8904218
aaha
>>8904223
white people don't have a higher avg. IQ than asians
90 is lower, it's not really all that low
>>8904231
possibly

>>8904121

>>8904241
>>8901311
It doesn't REALLY matter whether race is a spectrum, a social construct, both or distinct categories.

What only matters is the IQ question.
The current scientific stance on the question is >>8904121

I see people have already mentioned education having an impact on IQ, as is apparent since you can train for IQ tests and score up to 15 points higher.

But also nutrition has a quantifiable impact on IQ. There's the obvious case where severe lack of nutrition in infancy stunts brain growth (it might surprise you, but this happens a lot in parts of Africa). But there's also in first world countries, evidence that suggests nutrition continually has an impact on IQ.

pastebin com X3FcPcRn

>>8904273
also pastebin'd sources because it just refused to let the pdf link through

It's the same person making these threads. Please, please end yourself. Nobody here likes you.

>>8901328
I know a student that was in Mech E. who literally got kicked out for saying nigger. Anti-racism is def. enforced.

>>8904121
Oh boy, the IQ and gene denying negro is at it again.

>>8904304
Was talking about this site

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>>8901294
> is skin color, height, body shape etc also a social construct?
Yes. When you tan, you trigger the very same melanin producing biochemistry in your skin that makes black people black.

Yet, people don't say "Oh, you're tan. Your IQ must be 30 points lower than mine." Spirit Airlines doesn't kick you off airplanes for being tan. You don't automatically knock over a liquor store because you are tan.

The only thing that happens is that, by having a darker skin tone, you become more attractive to women. Which is why you white people expose yourself to cancer-causing UV rays.s

>>8904138
Nice argument. Oh wait, you can't argue that because your people are the ones who have inflicted easily the most damage and evil onto earth. It's not even CLOSE. So if we're going to talk about races and violence, let's start with the worst offender - europeans.

>>8904121
Only real post in the thread

>>8901269
>b-b-but genetics
genetics is the white mens lies just like all western science.

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>>8901328
>wahhh people are using mean words!!!
maybe this site isn't for you friendo?

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>>8904121
> since the entire subcontinent is sitting at about 80 right now
There's a reason for that that has NOTHING to do with intelligence. Let me paint you a picture:

In the Sudan there is a civil war. Recruitment by the rebels is not like in the movies, where a bunch of people stand in line to sign their name. In reality, a bunch of guys drive around in an old Toyota, grab a kid off the street, put an AK47 in his hand, and tell him that they will kill his entire family if he doesn't fight.

Congratulations, you're drafted.

If the kid escapes and makes his way back to his village, the next week a different faction in a different Toyota could do the same thing.

And that's just the guys. The girls are commodities, sex slaves for gun runners.

Now, if you are worried about that, are you REALLY going to give a fuck about a test full of triangles and circles and what relates to what?

If you told an African that a score of 140 on an IQ test would equal free passage for himself and his family to America, the African score would make the Europeans look like mental morons. It's the reason Indian IQ tests are so high - Amazon hires the best and the brightest under H1B visas.

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>b-but VIOLENCE
Image
>it's okay to commit crime if you're a lazy nigger who doesn't want to get a job despite copious amounts of social institutions giving them a massive edge over whites
As much as I hate to use the term SJW, please fuck off back to tumblr. Niggers are stupid and violent because their "culture" overwhelmingly supports, even forces anti-intellectualism and violence, these are the same 'people' who shun black people that want to better themselves.

>muh white man
Yeah fuck off with that, minorities/women can say whatever racist/sexist things they want and it isn't racist/sexist, unqualified minorities/women get jobs over whites/men to fill arbitrary diversity quotas and if you disagree with preferential treatment towards a skin color or sex then you're a disgusting bigot.

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>>8904486
Also

>>8901318
Uhm, it's called false-flagging

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>>8901318
>people need to fake libtard posts to see how fucking retarded they are.
No they don't. Your unwarranted ego and cancerous backwards agenda are globally despised. Which is why /sci/ hates you.

>>8904551
Is this why you ignored this >>8904121 "libtard post".

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>>8901269
Social construct is not an argument. It is a word. Everything is a construct because you cant objectively experience out of our own reality in mind but just the phenomena we construct and share in language. This is a debate for philosophy of science and methodology which creates the elementary base positions most scientists stand on. Positivists will say we can semiobjectively see the reality out there. Social constructionists will say we are more likely just creating this world in our heads and cant be sure to see it because it is literally created in our minds. It is very similar position they take but the implications to methodology and research are huge.

Construct is just academic word. It is not an argument. You are making assumptions all over. Are you one of those critical theorists, feminists or a troll? Im sure you are funny but it is not. This thread is annoying, non productive and you just wasted your potential writing it. You visit this shithole that means there is something you want from it otherwise you would troll elsewhere. Please reconsider your stance on life in general and stop bringing shit into already shitty place as it will not make it any better or you wont see a difference to make you feel good enough to be worth your time.

>>8904560
>b-but they are false flagging
we don't need to hear more of your false accusations with zero evidence. Deal with the facts or go find your own safe space. This is a science board.

>>8904579
I'm an expert in troll identification and this is a false-flag thread and you are a troll as well.

>>8904585
>trust me I'm a pedophile neckbeard bernout.
you are the typical SJWtard alright

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>>8904607
check which board you are on before calling out SJWs.
We only like science here.
We've seized the memes of production

>>8904640
>SJWtard
>comes to /sci/ like he's invited
You do know that we hate you in 4chan and not just in this board right?

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>>8904645
all of 4chan is liberal except /vg/, /pol/, /int/, /b/ and /mpl/.
All boards that need to be deleted

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>>8904652
>all 4chan is liberal
Who are you even trying to fool. newfags like yourself?

Of course blacks are dumber than white people, its the only way to explain why africans keep scoring in the retard range for 80 years.

>>8904656
there are blacks in harvard

>>8904658
And there are whites in Harvard, it doesnt mean the majority of whites are in the 120 IQ range.

>>8904658
There were blacks in the white house, yet they still commit 50 percent of the crimes :(
Your single example attempts to support to behaviour of the dumbest race on this planet is hilarious.

>>8901301
What's a person?

Everyone is just a self-replicating chemical reaction. Your arbitrary moralist worldview is as meaningless as any other social construct.

Fuck off. Unless you actually want to talk about science.

>>8904666
how did the dumbest guy in the world (obama) become president?

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>>8904669
*tips fedora*
You never took an ethics class in your life. At least I took 2 of them because my uni cares about other people despite how I am in stem

>>8904674
Obama is not dumb, you can obviously see he is multiple leagues above the average African-Euro Mulatto based on his controlled and civilized behavior.

Meanwhile Obama's pure nigger half siblings are dumb as shit.

>>8904674
>dumbest guy
He's obviously not dumb and nobody said he was. Is it that hard to understand english in your third world shithole or do you guys seriously have sub 90 IQs ?

>>8904681
Why do some of us have 140 IQs if we're all supposed to have sub 90 IQs?

>>8904682
Genetics is random, sometimes it can vary positive in the IQ range creating geniuses or negatives creating retards or just not vary much creating averages.

Negros are most often retarded showing their average intellect is that of a mild retarded European person, the fact that negros that cognitively act civilized seem to be a minority in all black countries indicates this furthere.

>>8904688
still good enough for civilization in their countries
lmao :D

>>8904682
>if we're all supposed to have sub 90 IQs?
It's quite sad to see they haven't even thought you averages or basic maths. No wonder why you delude yourself as if the society owes you anything when you know nothing about the world you live in.

>>8904701
you are mistaken.
I've a math major

>>8904706
k. now go back to counting all the burgers you've flipped

>tfw posting in the least scientific thread on the board

>>8904696
Actually no that IQ is so low that civilization is impossible because the majority of humans are too impulsive to produce agriculture or even care about trading with other humans.

A good example of true negro society is Haiti its the only land handed over to blacks where blacks have had to develop for 300 years and YET its still the ABSOLUTE BIGGEST SHITHOLE IN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE. The savagery and crime in Haiti is off the charts even compared to nigger hellholes like Jamaica. Haitian blacks are so awful that every single negro group in the West Indies hates them with a passion. This is because Haitians are the only PURE BLACKS in the West Indies, the West Indian negros usually have around 10% to 2% European DNA showing that even minute white DNA can make a nigger less impulsive compared to a pure one.

>>8904724
nordics were just pirates a few hundred years ago.
You can't call that a civilization either.
anything "handed over to the blacks" doesn't count because they're still slaves that you gave a toy to. It's all your fault

>>8904121
this

>>8904731
You are fucking stupid.

Nords even in 10,000 B.C were on average more smarter than the average modern african person. The fact Nords can make civilizations shows they had the genetic intelligence required to do so. Only in a few cases did the african jungle savages build societies and even then they were fucking shitholes compared to their non negro neighbors in North Africa. You know whats funny NORTH AFRICA HAS BETTER EVERYTHING THAN NEGRO AFRICA

GEE I WONDER WHY?

>>8904740
A 120 IQ guy can accomplish more than a 130 IQ guy by simply studying and putting in 10-20% more effort.
Are you telling me 10 IQ points are that important?
You're asspulling stats from 10,000 BC
You're both stupid and biased. Go back to your safe space before you embarrass yourself even more.

>>8904731
Too bad that africa was a shithole where tribes murdered each other over turf wars, raped and enslaved each other, practised shamanizm and ate the organs of dead animals thinking they had magical powers before the whitey set foot on their land. And too bad it completely BTFOs your "its all whiteys fault" autism :(

>>8904751
Slavery is so good. You should do it again. Go ahead and discuss deleting all culture that isn't western on >>>/pol/.

>>8904750
>faggot attention seeker having a dick measuring contest on a bait thread
kill yourself

>>8904678

I've taken 3. I minored in philosophy.

>>8904755
Go back to live in huts if you don't like whiteys inventions ebola kid. Cultural appropriation is very hypocritical of you. You'll find yourself in jail soon anyway with the rest of the chimps.

>>8904750
Average IQ not high IQ dumbass.

Humans in the Americas developed civilizations without horses making Africans look even more fucking stupid in comparison.

Aboriginals have IQs of 60 and have been in Aussie for 50,000 years meaning you would have go ALL THE WAY BACK TO 50,000 B.C for our ancestors to have the same level of intelligence as blacks. These ancestors wouldnt even be white they would the be the common ancestors between us and asians actually mostly a brown skinned savage individual that lived in the lower section of the middle east and some parts of Northern Africa. This IS THE ONLY TIME IN HISTORY WHEN WE WERE ALL RACIALLY EQUAL.

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Black people lack the ability of planning further ahead. Their actions are also more emotional and impulsive that is probably also linked to the different way of perceiving time. They were living in climate where they did not need to plan for future winter so they naturally did not develop technology as advanced and did not have this insane drive of progress as whites have. They did not have to take risks. It doesnt matter they are doomed to that fate because these changes can be altered with enough time. It will take long for them to get into western mindset but that is a problem that no one could solve. Without them properly integrated for a long period of time (it is not really that long in evolution speaking but long enough for us as it could take hundreds of years of proper integration) they will revert to what is natural to them and that is impulsive and present time living with just "good enough" advancement if any. This will probably manifest in religions as a way of explaining the world as it will stay there.

We did not find a way to properly integrate a race into white world and society. It means that they will destroy western society by breeding it out. That is how animals who are not evolved to be protected and strive for greater things survive by having a lot of babies. Humans are just animals so this analog is proper.

If white people get extinct by breeding and dying out the blacks will either die in the northern parts of world or will have to adapt whites people mindset to survive the harsh weather. If they adapt by time their skin will get whiter and physiology will become identical to todays whites because we are not really a different specie just a very small margin of time difference that made us to what we are by surrounding environment we were living in.

There is absolutely no point in trying to do anything in africa because the environment will never make africans to adopt western mindset.

>>8904763
maybe you don't need to develop civilizations when you can kill stuff using a boomerang.
It's all stuff you need. If you don't need it you lose it.
Just like muscles

>>8904770
Humans never needed civilization, but they still developed it anyway. Eurasians could have hunted and gatherered to this very day but decided not to.

A true testament to Abo stupidity is that THERE IS NOT A SINGLE ROCK STRUCTURE ON AUSTRALIA BUILT BY THEM.

Caucasoid(not white) built the earliest settlement in Turkey showing it was around 15,000 B.C where our current level of intelligence was fully reached. The first whites were most likely in the high 80s in terms of intelligence meaning they were like most white idiots in Europe and America, the seasons of Europe made the morons die out while the smarter whites bred more.

>>8904808
>The first whites were most likely in the high 80s in terms of intelligence
Holy fuk ur retarded

>>8904836
Russian slavs score in the high 80s showing that the first white people were idiots.

Russians and Europeans are all white people because they have the same type of facial structure.

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Your internal model of the world lacks granularity

>>8904091
I found the paper from your image and read it

. These results, however, say nothing
about the origin and distribution of human
phenotypic variation. The observed population
structure can be largely explained by random
drift at neutral loci.

>>8904764
>They were living in climate where they did not need to plan for future winter


>HHURR DURRR THE COLD MAKES YOU SMART

>ONLY EUROPE HAS DIFFERENCE SEASONS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR

>AFRICA STAYS THE SAME ALL YEAR ROUND!

>>8901328
I think you need to find a more friendly website bucko

>>8904429
>women
>gay party
kek
must be bait or else you're the most stupid brotha out there

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>>8904429
I've seen some autism before but yikes

>>8904975
Intelligence in general is based on processing the world around you to extract energy from matter. The most complex the world like say dry land the more advanced your processor has to be like say the original tetrapod brain.

In the case of hominids we can hit an intelligence limit based on blacks and australoids meaning if we naturally develop in the tropics we will stay morons, but if you we develop in a temperate climate we will become more intelligent compared to the tropical humans.

Interestingly the Natives of America came from Siberians, modern Siberians are more intelligent than the natives in the tropical regions of the Americas showing that the tropics does overtime make hominids become dumber. I wonder if the tropics has an effect on animal intelligence as well, do tigers that live in temperate areas like the Russian wilderness have higher intellect then tigers in the tropics like Indians ones?

>>8901269
>give people education and a decent place to live and they won't rob your sorry ass
>Communist Russia was uneducated
>The Nazi regime was uneducated
Leftists get out.

Really shitty thread. OP sounds like pure libtard who obviously doesn't understand what "race is a social construct" means.

It DOESN'T mean all races right now are equal and unidentifiable (which is obvious as anyone can point out a nigger vs a non). What it means is there is no far reaching genetic difference between races, meaning that there is no sub-species division. There are of course, differences between the populations currently, but that's not a difference that's consistent with some 100 generation evolution; it's just an effect from the past few generations based on income, living conditions, etc. The problem with your (incorrect) line of reasoning would be that you'd think could take someone from a disadvantaged race, give them a good environment, and they'd succeed. It's true that this makes up for ~ 1/2 of the disparity, but there is a disparity of ~ a few generations that currently exists that has a genetic basis. This definitely doesn't define all blacks, for instance (as they're not a homogenous group), but one can state that there's genetics that distinguish one general population from the other (though the "population" has fairly loose boundaries).

Fucking learn science instead of praising it like a god. Dumb faggot

This is probably a really dumb question. But even if two people are very genetically similar, isn't there a big difference in how those genes are expressed?

>IQ is biased towards educated people
that's like saying IQ is biased towards smart people. Of course it fucking is. Fuck you

>>8904415
That rule has never been enforced consistently and it will never be, nigger

>>8901269
>b-but CRIME RATES
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2016/02/lead-exposure-gasoline-crime-increase-children-health

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>The niggers will surely produce a great society this time! the last time wasn't true black society

hmmm where have I seen this before?...

>>8904132
>zionist wars make you rich
hilarious

>>8905128
>I wonder if the tropics has an effect on animal intelligence as well, do tigers that live in temperate areas like the Russian wilderness have higher intellect then tigers in the tropics like Indians ones?
I would think animal intelligence correlates best with prey complexity. In cold climates animals can hibernate or migrate and if they can't, hunting in winter isn't necessarily much more complex + higher intelligence would mean more energy required for the brain.

>>8906035
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwood,_Tulsa

>>8906035
When black businesses were doing good they got burned down over false pretenses.

>>8901300
False! Albanian and Romanian are not white. And polish crime rate is order of magnitudes lower than africans ones.

>>8906400
No one cares anon, why do you pay attention to pampered mongrels like American blacks instead of pure negros in Africa. Thats the entire issue with this racial equality nonsense people honestly think black americans achieving anything means blacks are near equal to us. Until africans achieve something on their own then that is nothing but fiction. Sure increase the IQ of black americans all you want doesnt the change the fact africans are the worst of humanity.

>>8901269
what about skin colour?
or different skull types?
or different athletical capability?
or the myriad other biological difference?

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>>8904841
Russia has a 96 point IQ average (above say, Ireland or Greece) so what you are saying is fucking bullshit

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>>8906524
Chart for comparison

Inb4 that faggot saying Lynn is biased because he excluded this elite university 89 point IQ African which would not have budged the average at all

>>8904652
>all of 4chan is liberal except
Learn to spell, retard.

>>8904755
>Slavery is so good. You should do it again.
Niggers are enslaving each other right now, you knew that?

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>>8906530
>>8906524
Lynn is biased because he excluded samples not based on whether they were elite but whether their scores were high.
Just look at this picture.

A systematic review of the studies "budges" the average by about 10 points.

Look at this post >>8904121

Anyways, I wouldn't trust Lynn to tell me what time it is.

Just accept defeat and move on.

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>>8906672
So, according to your image, even if you biased the sampling to include all the high scorers only, the average would be somewhere around 87 points. Including all the samples in your pic the average would be around 75-76.

This is well below the average of any White or East Asian majority nation, and reinforces the notion of biological differences in intelligence between races.

This is consistent with the fact:
1. In every survey Blacks have always scored below Whites even when accounting for socioeconomic factors
2. Sampling of cortical neuron count averages and cranial capacity between races are consistent, with Blacks also scoring below Whites

If this is the best evidence your "egalitarian" side has to offer to the debate then there is no point in even debating since you are basically conceding defeat.

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>>8906672
>>8906707
Even in the best conditions blacks still score below whites. Keep in mind US-blacks in this sample are already somewhat mixed.

>>8906707
Thanks for this post.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_size
>Studies demonstrate a correlation between brain size and intelligence, with larger brains predicting higher intelligence. It is however not clear if the correlation is causal.[29] The majority of MRI studies report moderate correlations around 0.3 to 0.4 between brain volume and intelligence.[30][31] The most consistent associations are observed within the frontal, temporal, and parietal lobes, the hippocampus, and the cerebellum, but only account for a relatively small amount of variance in IQ, which suggests that while brain size may be related to human intelligence, other factors also play a role.[31][32] In addition, brain volumes do not correlate strongly with other and more specific cognitive measures.[2] In men, IQ correlates more with gray matter volume in the frontal lobe and parietal lobe, which is roughly involved in sensory integration and attention, whereas in women it correlates with gray matter volume in the frontal lobe and Broca's area, which is involved in language.[1]

from the same wiki article on brain size
let's say the relationship is casual - between size and intelligence(if we don't then argument ends here lol)
a correlation of 0.35 means that about 12% of the variance in intelligence is explainable by brain size
if you look at the studies, they include mostly Caucasians - ranging from 1050 to 1500(a variance much higher than that between races)

actually assuming non-caucasian races vary as much and in a similar manner around their own means (a reasonable assumption, for example in a normal distribution) you'd see that mean difference in brain size between groups is insignificant and unable to cause large iq gaps

if the iq gaps are genetic, the effect isn't through brain size.

Anyways.
Here's the argument AGAIN, step by step.
I will link to this earlier post since apparently you don't get it at all.
>>8904121

Or you just go "LALALLALLALA can't hear you"

>>8906712
There's more than one adoption study out there.
I'm assuming this is Minnesota Transracial Adoption Study since your picture is unsourced.

Here's a very recent article that compiles a few adoption studies done - I don't necessarily agree with his argument, but he brings up some good points
http://www.mdpi.com/2079-3200/5/1/1/htm

to add to that i'll say that an adoption study cannot account for uterine effects, age at adoption, pre-adoption effects

here's the deal, i'm not arguing that blacks are supposed to score exactly 100 just like white people, all i'm saying is the differences are not that great

ps
http://www.peterdanpsychology.ro/ro/pagina/25/files/docs/more%20on%20black%20iq.pdf

jump to "Studies Measuring European Ancestry Through Blood Group Indicators"
using ctrl-F
Even if you disagree with the author's comments, you'll find it useful to know that such studies exist and look at citations below the article
Here's a few theories - either the white people who racemixed weren't very clever so their contribution doesn't mean much as far as increasing IQ goes
OR there's more to it than just genes - I'd say both of those are correct to some extent

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>>8906726
The text you quoted remains in agreement with what I said.

There are biological differences between races. Of course, there are also environmental factors, I never claimed otherwise.

But the notion that different human ethnic groups evolved over thousands of years, and divergent in every single factor from average muscle mass, average melanin content of the skin, cranial shape, rates of twinning, and so on, must be exactly the same in intelligence is a delusional conception.

The fact that respected scientists like Nobel Prize James Watson have had their careers completely destroyed from stating the obvious - that Africans are not as smart as Europeans - is completely fucked up, and you should be in favour of scientific truth rather than supporting the biased narrative of the media.

I am the one commited to scientific truths, you are the one twisting facts to support your narrative of "defeating" your strawman "stormfags" by putting words in my mouth.

Just to be clear - there are significant, biological and environmental causes to IQ differences between races. It is media bias that tries to pretend otherwise because this fact is uncomfortable to ordinary people.

>>8906738
Interesting links, I will look into them.

>>8906740
>The text you quoted remains in agreement with what I said.
Glad you agree that difference in brain size between races in the US is insignificant.

You didn't get the argument at all, did you?
Had you understood what I wrote you would have asked where I got the 12% figure or at least come up with something substantive - a retort.

Instead you bring up Watson's heartbreaking story - appealing to feelings.

I'll give you a second chance to look at my post and ask me something substantive.

Also, saved.

>>8906814
>hurrrr durrr I beat you stormfag
You seem to think I care for your original research. I do not, since you do not have credentials.

As for the study itself, a 0.4 correlation is statistically significant, particularly if the study is only using US samples - Black Americans have a large degree of white admixture. If you used African samples with no admixture, the difference would be even greater.

Most experts of those willing to give an answer on the matter, are in agreement that IQ variations are partly genetic. Even you seem to be in agreement but your obsession with "beating" my argument seems to override your desire to have a logical debate.

The thread topic is... is race a social construct?
And the answer is no, it's not. There are significant biological differences between races including observable differences in intelligence. Every study you and I posted is in agreement with this statement.

>>8906846
>As for the study itself, a 0.4 correlation is statistically significant, particularly if the study is only using US samples - Black Americans have a large degree of white admixture. If you used African samples with no admixture, the difference would be even greater.
The correlation is found using Caucasian samples.

If you open up the wikipedia article on brain size, click on the little number in the square brackets, open the study you'd see that the study is using only caucasian "samples" - samples that vary between 1050 and 1500.

I am not interesting in beating your argument, because you have none. Mostly interested in you understanding what I'm saying. I honestly doubt you have the capacity to understand what I said there. I even gave you two chances to read through it.

Anyways, for those who don't want to scroll up >>8906726

culture exists
brown people just have to be forced to live the white mans way

>>8906874
Then the study is even less relevant to the discussion. The correlation between brain size and intelligence is statistically significant. It isn't very strong because we have no way of measuring the biological aspect of intelligence alone, and once again there are environmental factors at play skewing the results.

You still haven't accounted for the fact that blacks do not score on par with whites on IQ even when accounting for socioeconomic factors. This fact means there is a biological component to race differences in intelligence.

I am not arguing for genocide or discrimination or any measure of the sort. In fact I believe all discrimination should be scrapped including racist programs like Affirmative Action.

All I care about is scientific truth.
There is a genetic intelligence gap.
How large it is remains up for debate.
It probably isn't that large once you take away environmental factors. But it is there, it exists, and should be acknowledged.

>>8901269
No, it is not, simply because there's an objective physical difference in facial structure, skin color and body compostition between different races.

Social construct would imply that a certain thing is artificially created by humans.

Race exists independently of what you may call it in the first place, independently from your views on its significance, etc.

Even SJWs, who claim that "REEEEEEE DIVERSITY AND EQUALITY EEEE" are biased as fuck against caucasian race and always specify race everywhere.

Just like certain caucasians are biased against african races. Absolutely the same thing.