Scientifically speaking, is a fetus a living, functioning homo

>>8871077
Scientically speaking, why won't you fucking kill yourself already. Every time I come to /sci/ and see another of these gay ass threads it just makes me wish that the vacuum will collapse.

>>8871094
Scientifically speaking, what biochemically stimulates the massive release of dopamine when you shitpost like this?

Biologically, the organism becomes a living, single entity after fertilization of the egg occurs and genetic material combines, since the organism's genome forms and begins expression. If the genome were to be sequenced/karyotyped at this moment, you could identify it as a human.

It is living being, it has all the charasteics that are required for a living being. Liberal sci just disawovs science when it hurts their adultreus girlfriends feefees.

>>8871077
Yeah, whatever. You could consider about every individual cell in your body a living functioning organism.
You being a fetus was like a parasitic phase you gradually grew out of. The biggest difference between killing you a few days before birth and killing you a few days after birth are some arbitrary rules someone made up. Don't get me wrong, I'm pro-choice.

>>8871077
Protip: Voluntary abortions after 6 months is basically non-existent.

>>8871354
Every cell is a living being you nibba

Society is so irrational and bipolar on this question. You can be charged with homicide for killing a fetus in most jurisdictions, but it's okay for the mom to kill it? Okay.

>>8871423
You wouln't destroy your living cells would you?

>>8871346
Are down syndrome humans then? What about Turner?

>>8871077
It's misogynistic to take away a mother's right to have her baby.

>>8871354
Nope, it can't live independently of the mother so isn't alive.

>>8871545
>your grandpa cant live indeoendently of his meds/iron lung/walker so lets shoot him

>>8871423
They arnt from another human being tho. Quit being pedantic. you know what he meant.

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>>8871545
The anti science notions on this board are sad to see. Please don't let politics getin the way of critical thinking next time.

>>8871545
A fetus one week away from the expected due date would be perfectly capable of surviving outside of the womb. Premature babies are born all the time.

>>8871077
IMO abortion is essentially infanticide, but I support it anyway because we have too many people fating out kids that they don't want to/can't care for. That just leads to more crime and poverty in the future. It's unfortunate that these mental midgets can't just use contraception in the first place.

>>8871407
No you cant you stupid fuck. Have you ever even looked up the word organism? i suggest you should.

>>8871555
plus dont forget that abortions are usualy done on babies of poor and ethnic minority people which keeps them a bit in check. IDK why anyone would say its not killing a baby when it obviously is but i dont understand stopping it either other than for religious reasons which dont make sence anyways.

>>8871552
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>>8871077
>Is killing a fetus one week before birth any different than killing it one week after birth?
Not that much new development happens in this last week, so not really much different. People don't kill babies 1 week before birth though, more like 7 months before at the latest.

It is a human (obviously), just a severely undeveloped one. It takes to 6 months through development for the brain's main structures to be formed and the brain to have proper function. Of course it continues to develop further for the whole duration of pregnancy. Before those 6 months it's effectively just different components developing that are yet to merge into a cohesive system.

Obviously it's taking a life to abort it at any stage. However this life has no cohesive brain, no sensory information and thus no consciousness, memories or anything. It's yet to form anything in the world, or form it's brain into an individual. In this way it's a bit different to killing someone who is an individual in the world, with a family, friends, motives, interests, etc.

Personally I think abortion should be purely about utilitarianism, because our present religion-derived ethical systems embedded in our cultures really don't accommodate the subtleness of such a thing and it's mostly irrelevant to them, so they don't need to.

1. need population? only allow disabled to be aborted (perhaps not even them, depends if you consider them to be an addition to the society, will they reduce economic and social value, or contribute?).
2. population doesn't matter? allow it in general but be a bit restrictive, don't make it an easy and rash process that is completely open.
3. population sorely needs to be cut down? aggressively promote contraceptives and abortion, making the prospect of children to be unfashionable and regularly eliminated.

>>8871548
The difference is that it has to be able to live independently from another organism to count. That is why viruses aren't considered alive or at least one of the main reasons.

>>8872329
Thats wrong moron. Viruses arnt considered alive because they cant reporoduce by themselves and thry dont grow or respomd to stimuli.

>>8871934
>Obviously it's taking a life to abort it at any stage. However this life has no cohesive brain, no sensory information and thus no consciousness, memories or anything. It's yet to form anything in the world, or form it's brain into an individual. In this way it's a bit different to killing someone who is an individual in the world, with a family, friends, motives, interests, etc.

So you can shoot somebody who's in a coma since he's not conscious?

>>8872329
>implying viruses dont survive outside for decades
>implying a fetus isnt human because its still developing

>>8872358
Maybe we could shoot people while they're asleep since they're not conscious.

>>8872329
I can't live without cows, pigs, chickens, scores of bacteria, various plants- holly shit! I'm not alive! >>8872352 Phew, thanks anon, you're a life saver! literally

>>8871470
Everybody do it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apoptosis

>>8871077
If you don't want to be aborted, go live outside of womb, nigga.

>>8871469
Same as when you destroy someone's property.

>>8871077
Abortion is a band-aid for a much larger problem. It's wrong in my opinion. Yes I agree that it helps with less children being born in poverty and harsh conditions. But why are those conditions the way they are? The whole system is corrupt. If abortion were made illegal, then there was be less sds, as more people would use condoms. I know not all would and the pill would used as well. If the government made it more difficult for nig nogs to be on welfare, and would be made to reach a higher standard of living if children are involved would help. I don't have a good to this problem, but abortion is murder no matter how you want to put it. The only instances where it should be considered is if it's incest/rape or the mother's life is in danger. I feel it's kind of like giving people a reason to live in shit conditions, and just hide from the problem. We turn or heads and say "move along, nothing to see here." Abortion is degeneracy at it's worse.

>>8872358

people who are unconscious still have all the neural connections, memories and personality, they are just inactive, asleep, and may wake up

now if we are talking about braindead people who have actually destroyed higher brains but live on life support, then yes, shoot away, what matters is dead already

Abortion is the killing of a baby and anyone who says otherwise is just letting politics get in the way of critical thinking. On the topic of should it be ok to abort or not is iffy because on one hand youre killing babies but on the other its usually black and mexican babies and id rather not live in a poverty and crime filled (((USA)))

>>8871472
Yes, people with downs and Turner's are still human. They will receive both copies of the parent's genes, but nondisjunction occurs during meiosis 1 or 2 so that chromosomes are mismatched in cells, but they can still be identified as human by the rest of the autosomal pairs of chromosomes that are characteristic to us.

>>8871077
No, it can't live without its mother.

>>8872447
>If abortion were made illegal, then there was be less sds, as more people would use condoms
No just no

>>8872373

>can't virus in plural
>thinks vira are alive even when told they aren't

it is time to kys

>>8873058
Neither you can, fag.

>>8871077
Fetus are living beings, but more like animals and not full humans.

>>8871552
what

>>8873167
>"The verdict is: “The English plural ofvirusis viruses, not viri.” Merriam-Webster agrees,"
literally just look up a dictionary before you talk.
Never said they were alive just that they survive outside which they do dip shit

>>8871077

Dude, abortion is cool. It keeps the black population down!

>>8872463
Yeah I think this is the /thread post for me