Terraforming Mars

define "Mars"

>>8806544
what?

>>8806540
With current tech roughly 20 days longer than forever.

How long it would take with future tech depends on what you think the tech will be when you try it.

>>8806544
Let's say the candy bar.

>>8806571
what could some future tech be?

Step 1
Get a really big magnet to rub against Mars, to activate its magnetic field.

>>8806540

Hundreds of years to hundreds of thousands of years, there's really no way to know until we try.

If you understand the processes involves you'll know that it will take centuries to reach the level that earth is currently at, if it could even ever reach that

>frozen core
>no magnetic field
>good luck desu senpai

>not areoforming Earth so you can terraform it back and then going to Mars to easily terraform that with the knowledge learned

Plebs, all of you.

>>8806540
nah, Lets just build some domes on it.

>>8806675
>implying civilization isn't on the brink of total collapse to hoards of third world sub-humans

I have an idea for a sci-fi story, but it would require a terraformed Mars. Just trying to see how long that would take.

>>8806540
300,000 years

100,000 years for bombardment of Mars using comets, moons, and asteroids, until there's enough mass and energy to churn up the core, increase gravity to at least 0.75g and increase the effectiveness of the magnetosphere. The last 1/3 of this will be water ice comets/asteroids/moons.

100,000 years for stabilization of the surface and de-orbit of all space debris caused by the bombardments.

100,000 years for a rudimentary ecosystem to be installed to the point where a breathable atmosphere won't kill humans.

>>8806672
Just drill some nukes into the core to restart it senpai

>>8806996
How many nukes do you think it would take to do that?

>>8807016
well it's more about the size than the number, isn't it?

>>8807055
>specifically asked how many
>tries to dodge the question
>typical nucleartard

This is why solar power is better than nuclear.

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>>8807061
This.

Plaster all of Mars with solar panels then hook them up to the core so it acts like a giant resister to create heat.

>>8806540
68 days

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>>8807061
fun fact, not actually guy that suggested nuking the core. Just felt like making a joke.

>>8806540
Current tech: near impossible
Future tech: 1-20 million years.

got a century or ten to spare?

it depends if that super conducting magnetic field satellite works and can be kept on indefinitely. then how much energy you want to spend redirecting comets and icy asteroids into Mars.

>>8806540
Exactly 6 days, with 1 day to rest

>>8807063
>then hook them up to the core
How? This is potentially harder than exploring other solar systems for habitable planets.

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>tfw autistic people make the internet harder than it should be

>>8807163
see
>>8807069 for same type of answer

>>8807069
see your post for same thing

>>8807061
>>8807063
samefag

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>>8806575
It is impossible; with the technology we have it would be much more realistic to just encase it in a plastic container.

>>8807382
L1 is a really unstable point, I don't like it.

If you had the creation of a proper space-based economy, with humans moving out and building living spaces and mining resources in space,it might wind up being a project at some point. But it's vastly easier to simply adapt to living on mars as it is-it has the raw materials we need, supplies of water and abundant CO2 in its atmosphere and polar regions, solar and perhaps nuclear power are doable there, we simply need to build in a fashion that shields us from radiation and the low pressure and deal with potential issues of the lower gravity. Mars is going to be a place where we get ourselves ready to spread across this solar system,and someday, to the ones next to us. I'm more interested in people building rotating space habitats and mining asteroids than I am in mars colonization, but it's still a pretty impressive feat to see so many people studying with renewed intensity.

Terraforming mars is more of a fun pipe dream-it's so distant in the future that it's not worth thinking about too much. Musk clearly uses it to get people pumped for his colonization gambit, but I doubt he has any concrete plans to start doing it within his lifetime, or any of ours.

It's interesting OP, but not important. It's much easier to simply adapt ourselves to mars, not the other way around.

>>8807482
Well I have an idea for a story, but it would ideally be on a Mars that has forests and all that stuff we have on Earth.

>>8807496
Fine, just set it in the distant future and you're good.

>>8807503
well that's just it, define distant.

>>8807503
At least 500 years from now. But honestly a few thousand is better.

>>8807509
also, have there been any real studies done that would show where lakes/oceans would form on Mars?

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>>8807518
You can figure that out pretty easily using an elevation map

>>8807541
And you can see where SpaceX is going to land, right in that canyon on the leftish middle

>>8807541
Based on this I'm gonna assume even terraformed Mars would only be as inviting as central Asia.

>>8807541
I wonder how much water there is on Mars though? If it was all liquid how much would it cover, clearly the north and the large crater but would the green areas be submerged?

I have Direct Theories.

Right now we simply do not have the technology.

like I said, I have Theories, but no matter how You look at it or what technology You have, reguardless of country You need to develope technology to transmute Heavy objectives into light objectives and vise versa.

The only way we can colanize another planet is by learning how to turn Metal into Oxygen, How to remove and use Carbon from the table of elements and we do not have any technology on the subject realistically speaking.

Seriously, think about it, so We go to mars, we have to eat and poop, how the hell are we going to water those plants? Honestly go into the itty gritty of it, How are we going to manufacture water to to put into plants so that the full interaction takes place?

Love Russia.

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>>8806684
Do you want to kill us? The dome will crack!

>>8807666
There are massive amounts of frozen water

You want to hear something really insane?

Putting a few cows on the moon and studying those farts will bring us that much closer to inhabiting foreign planets.

Laugh all You want, But I kid You not.

Put cows on the moon, study and then take everything You learn to the best and brightest.
Im not joking.

But there is a piece of the puzzle of Purposly left out.

That part costs money.

>>8807674
It'd be more efficient to make a biogas methane digester on Mars and fill it with shit from Earth than to have cows on Mars. Then when colonizes Mars ( >>>/x/ ) you have billions of tons of high-nitrogen fertilizer to grow food with.

>>8806540
Have we terraformed deserts and glaciers yet?

No? Then don't even attempt to terraform Mars that is 10000 times more difficult.

You do are aware that living on Antarctica is easier than on Mars? Even if Mars was 100 km away

>b-but we haven't done everything on Earth yet!

This is why you'd lose terribly at any multiplayer RTS.

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>>8807670
Stuff like that always bothered me about sci-fi movies/tv shows. In books most of these types of things have redundancies and safeguards. In movies/tv shows it is just one layer for one massive dome that covers literally everything.

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terraforming is just a meme, once we got technology to do this we don't need it any more

>>8807382
How powerful an electromagnet it would require?

>>8807460
>implying dynamic stabilization won't be a thing

>>8807998
It'll need to be big, not strong. Earth's a damn weak magnet, but it's retained its atmosphere for a very long time.

>>8807998
>>8808031
Looks like it needs a 8424 mile wide area there in the center for Mars to be covered. That's twice the width of Mars.

>How powerful an electromagnet it would require?

One more powerful than anything humanity will be willing to make. If we could make electromagnets that powerful we'd be using smaller ones to help shield ships and solar-orbiting space stations.

Can you imagine the amount of heat one of those things would create an the amount of cooling you'd need to do to prevent it from melting? The vibrations from eddy currents alone would probably rip something that large and powerful apart.

>Earth's a damn weak magnet

But, it is something like 760 miles in diameter. Unless you have something that size being used, you'll need to make up for it by increasing power to something much smaller.

>>8806544
Fpbp

Why do they say Terra and Luna but not Ares?

>>8806544
Ancient Roman god, originally venerated as the guardian of Rome and a god of agriculture, later identified with the Greek god of war Ares; one of the most important gods in the Roman pantheon.

>>8808094
Because Terra and Luna are both Latin (as well as all other names of the planets except Uranus), and Ares is Greek.

>>8807509
You're asking a bunch of strangers. They might have some ideas, but buddy, you're gonna wanna do your own research.

>>8806540
A hundred years to walk outside with a breather mask.
Five hundred to walk with no breather mask.

>>8806540
I respect the symposium, anon, but the very thought is so difficult, outlandish, and unconventional with the current technology the conversation quickly delves into hypotheticals, science fiction, and a lot of serious "if's".

Crashing earth into mars would probably speed up the process.

>>8807782
So you are saying the first step in terraforming mars is for the next one hundred years all first world countries need to be filling rockets with shit and firing it at mars?

I support this plan.

W-why would you want to terraform mars.?

Calvin is hiding in the dirt of mars waiting for glucose

>>8808228
What's the next step of your master plan?

>>8806612
sex dolls with integrated AI, space elevator and fast food that make you thin

>>8806544
define "define"

>>8806691
That's a days work if you aren't amanlet.

>>8807161
t. Actual God/Bog hybrid

Terraform earth first.

Just make a machine that converts regolith into air and water.

>>8806540
>How long would it realistically take to terraform Mars?
Pump ozone into the atmosphere with carbon dioxide at a ration 1/10
Throw some fruit tolerant plants in an area with a very low water source
Wait 10000 years
BOOM EARTH 2

>>8807161
>>8810387
Martian day is 1 day and 40 minutes long.

Thus, it would take 8880 minutes to make and 1480 minutes of rest.

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>>8810414
>fruit tolerant plants

>>8806672
>>8806996
>>8807016
nukes wont restart the core dumby. It would take a catastrophic collision like the one that formed earths moon. Or if that isn't feasible with super future tech, if you could move mars into orbit around jupiter the tidal forces could reactivate the core.

>>8806540
It's impossible

Look up magneto sphere, mantle shrinkage and hydrogen escape due to gravity.


These are good reasons why the answer is never

>>8806691
It would take far longer than 100000 yrs to terraform. The basic bacteria to churn out enough o2 would take that amount of time by itself

>>8806544
kek

It wont take long before we form the Earth to the Mars model.

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>>8806540
The same amount of time it would take trying to terraform Egypt or Antarctica.

>>8807065
Underrated post

i go with 348 days

>>8808048
> But, it is something like 760 miles in diameter. Unless you have something that size being used, you'll need to make up for it by increasing power to something much smaller.

Why NOT make it big?

If we are at the point of colonizing Mars seriously, asteroid mining is probably a thing. If we can mine asteroids, we have access to more metal than the entirely of human civilization combined.

At that point, making something big is more time consuming than anything else.

>>8806540
like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjNssEVlB6M

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>>8806544
Its a wandering star. Its not a planet. Space is science fiction. Grow up.

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>>8807541
One fake graph later humans think they live on a ball. Good job NASSHOLES

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>>8807666
Everything is the opposite of what NASA tells you. Dont be fooled

>>8808486
crashing this planet

Assuming you have control over gravity, take Mars and bring it to Jupiter. Let tidal forces restart that core, then dip Mars into Jupiter for a minute to give Mars an atmosphere of hydrogen.

The hydrogen atmosphere will react with the iron in Mar's crust to produce hydrogen oxide. From there it's a fairly straightforward process to form water (H20) and make oceans. Now you bring Mars closer to the sun again and you're set to make some algae strains in the sea that will photosynthesize with the dissolved salts to fix hydrogen into nitrogen and also produce oxygen.

>>8812540
if you could do that. then you would be better off moving Venus to Mars and putting them together in a Binary system.

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>>8806544

>>8806540
I have a much better idea. Why dont we just modify humans to be able to live anywhere?

>>8812741
Then they wouldn't be, "humans." You think there's race problems now? Hooo boy!

>>8806672

It would be difficult, but not impossible to build an artificial magnetic field on a planetary scale.

>>8806540
A few million years.

Why do people still talk about terraforming?

Nobody ever talks about harnessing The Force in their daily lives; nobody sane.

>>8806642
L-lewd!

>>8807541
Which of those mountains on the left is Olympus Mons?