Why are math professors universally horrible?

which school for brainlets do you go to?

>>8756340
One with Russian mathematicians.

>>8756344
but which school brainlet?

both schools in moscow that i took math classes in had professors of the highest caliber

maybe it's just you

>>8756334
It is fun because this wednesday a professor proved a long ass theorem and we were fucking lost.

The just today he came and proved like 10 theorems one after the other and said: These justify what we did last week.

>>8756350
The professors are world class. Their teaching is not. Not me, the TA understands how bad the lectures are and types up notes furiously that are essentially books.

>>8756364
have you considered reading before your lectures brainlet? you're not still in high school. obviously if they assume you already know the theorems and definitions they are expecting you to read a book. but apparently you're too dumb to even find a textbook relevant to the class on your own

the 3 hour lectures i sat through in moscow were clear as day and we were provided with multiple references for each class so i'm still not sure which brainlet school you go to

>>8756334
Non-math fag here

Why do professors/lectures even exist for math? Do you actually learn anything by watching someone else do problems?

>>8756382
No, the professor said every theorem is trivial and barely wrote anything on the board.

>>8756388
>Do you actually learn anything by watching someone else do problems?
obviously... you learn how to do the problems they do in front of you...

>>8756344
General Russian exposition style is the best of any nationality dude

You might have got a shitty one but profiling them as bad profs is extremely wrong

>>8756403
See >>8756364

I didn't say they were bad mathematicians, but mine is a bad lecturer when he says every theorem is trivial and doesn't prove it.

>>8756350
did you take math in moscow?

>>8756419
yes

>>8756419
How were you able to calibrate so well?

>>8756423
it's the only math program in Moscow I know

>>8756427
every professor i had at both the HSE and the IUM was fantastic, either OP is a brainlet or they replaced the entire faculty

>>8756416
As someone who study in Russia, I can confirm this type of math professors is very widespread.

>>8756432
I'd say their lectures are kind of specific. At IUM, they get around 100 people at the start, but only 10-15 pass first year, and only 2-5 get diplomas after 4 years.

>>8756440
none of the classes I took at the IUM had non-math in moscow students in it but i HIGHLY doubt they have a 2-5% graduation rate

are you taking rosenblum's class?

>>8756440
also why are you shitposting on /sci/ go explore moscow you moron

alternatively go fly over to finland for a change of scenery if they've given you the multi-entry visa (i can't remember how late you get it)

>>8756449
Well I was talking about their regular program in Russian for Russian students.

They actually work as additional courses for math (or just interested in math) students.

I've been going to IUM for the first semester but then dropped out for my main university.

It's just very hard to do both your official university and IUM program in the same time.

>>8756462
I-i already explored most of Moscow during by school years.
This was by post too >>8756438

>>8756432
Cool, you had good russian professors.

Mine literally said every theorem was trivial and didn't prove anything.

You are a brainlet if you cannot comprehend your experience does not generalize to everyone

>>8756334
>>Partially prove theorems, or don't prove them at all calling each theorem trivial
Brainlet
>>Speed through more material in 1.5 hours than you can comprehend
Brainlet
>>Don't define theorems/definitions on first use. Assume you already know them.
If they're from your prerequisite courses, you should know them.
>>Don't provide definitions/theorems needed to prove the theorems/definitions they are using
Turn your notes/book back to where they where defined, you lazy fuck.

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>>8756482
>Mine literally said every theorem was trivial and didn't prove anything.
have you considered asking them to prove things that aren't clear or do you just sit there like the typical passive brainlet? do you not pay for your classes? i guess you don't care that you get nothing out of them

>You are a brainlet if you cannot comprehend your experience does not generalize to everyone
you're a brainlet if you cannot comprehend how silly your experience sounds

>>8756493
>>8756486
This is literally how he acts:

>Goes in front of blackboard
>Says some words... stops mid sentence
>Partially states a theorem
>Laughs
>Says it's trivial
>Moves to next "theorem"
>Says some words
>Talks to himself for 5-10 minutes then is quiet
>Says proof is trivial

Pointless class.

>>8756462
Also was it you who asked about math in moscow on /int/ in /rus/ about year ago?

>>8756495
like i said

>have you considered asking them to prove things that aren't clear or do you just sit there like the typical passive brainlet? do you not pay for your classes? i guess you don't care that you get nothing out of them

its pointless because you let it be pointless you brainlet

>>8756499
no i was there before that

>>8756502
>brainlet calls OP brainlet a brainlet
>still doesn't make you not a brainlet

There's no time to spell out every last detail in lecture. Do your best to fill in the blanks and then ask for help outside class.

>>8756334
Two primary reasons.
1. The professors job is to research not teach, so most professors in all subjects are generally subpar when it comes to teaching.
2. How do you teach math? It's literally just a system of logic, either you get it or you don't. There's not much a professor can do to get you to understand that 1 + 1 = 2, if you don't just get it. Those are the rules of the system and those rules lead to that outcome. That's just how it is, there's nothing to explain in any real sense.

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I did math up to differential equations for my university degree. All of the professors were either dicks or unintelligible immigrants. Chemistry profs are much more personable.

>>8756495
Maybe the proof is actually trivial and you're just too stupid.

>>8756388
Professors don't do maths problems on the lectures, they give the theorems, proofs and explain them (or more often say they're left as an exercise)

>>8756388
Why do lectures exist at all? Do you actually learn by listening someone reading textbook for you?

>>8756737
Why don't universities hire people just for teaching? There are excellent researchers who can't teach shit and there are people too inteligent to research but who know enough to teach and are great at it? Why force some old dude who's doing some spooky ass research to teach calc I or college algebra to brainlets?

>>8756495
At least he's better than the silent autistes who allow him to get away with getting paid while not doing his job.

I mean just stand up and say something like "Oh can you walk us through that? I mean I'm only new to this, and not as proficient as you are, so I don't follow how to solve it, or how to identify whether or not something is trivial to solve in a timely manner".

>>8757945
>Why don't universities hire people just for teaching? There are excellent researchers who can't teach shit and there are people too inteligent to research but who know enough to teach and are great at it? Why force some old dude who's doing some spooky ass research to teach calc I or college algebra to brainlets?

It's to keep up the pretense(lie) that in addition to having brilliant academic staff the college also has brilliant students who require access to those staff to function.

>>8757945
>Why don't universities hire people just for teaching?
Some universities do. My university has one person in the math department and at least two in the economics department who don't do any research and just teach classes

One of them was the best prof I've ever had but the other two were completely average.

>>8757991
Good approach and an obvious one t. OP

Grad student in math here. A lot of math professors are pretty shit because they don't have to have great communication skills to be a great mathematician. It's a bit upsetting to those that are good instructors, but also students blow it way out of the water. Math will require a lot of student effort, you will have to struggle through proofs on your own and get stuck with problems to really appreciate anything about the theorems. It's not a go to lecture three times a week and be done sort of subject.

Stop blaming others and just try to learn the material on your own. Go to office hours, ask the TA or ask around on mathstackexchange. Eventually in life people stop handing things to you directly and you have to figure shit out on your own.

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>get forced to TA
>schedule office hours at 6pm on Fridays
>take 3 days to respond to email
>get lowest TA rating in the department
>mfw they're making me do it again next year
I'm almost starting to feel bad for these kids. Almost.

>>8756334
I had a math professor who had a resting bitchface like no one else. But the her bitch voice (like the ones girls make when they're acting bitchy) and her bitchface actually made me listen to her lecture more intently. I dunno precisely why. Maybe because she looks like she's looking down on all her students like we're a bunch of idiots who won't understand her anyways and I want to prove her wrong.

>>8756364
yeah liebrals believe that good scientists are good pedagogues.

>>8756737
>2. How do you teach math? It's literally just a system of logic, either you get it or you don't.
This is what undergraduates believe.

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>>8756502
Holy shit you are a moron.

>>8758277
have you never heard of the idea of 'taking responsibility for your education'? OP sounds like he just sits there drooling in class while not understanding anything for hours on end, too scared to even voice a complaint

>>8758243
gonna try and fuck her?

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>>8756334
>Partially prove theorems, or don't prove them at all calling each theorem trivial
They're left for (You) as an exercise to help you learn the material.
>Speed through more material in 1.5 hours than you can comprehend
That's why (You) are supposed to study outside of class.
>Don't define theorems/definitions on first use. Assume you already know them.
If they are from courses that prereqs then you should already know them.
>Don't provide definitions/theorems needed to prove the theorems/definitions they are using
See my previous points, also read the fucking book.
>Never fully write out proofs, or even definitions
See previous points
>Whenever introducing a concept they think its trivial and don't understand how students don't already know the material
meh you're starting to sound like a whiny undergrad
>Either don't assign a textbook, or literally copy/paste contents of textbook onto the board
(You)r university has a library right? You also have the internet so there are free ebooks available
>Better to just take textbook, skip lecture and work the problems yourself than show up for class
here we go, now we're seeing that (You) are lazy
>Does research no one cares about
>Other autistic math professors think highly of them, so they don't care about teaching evals
(You) do know that those are contradictions right?

>>8758673
But... I I'm supposed to study it it all outside the class from books, why even bother to go to the lecture?

>>8759301
God you're dense. You're not going to learn anything by having someone talk at you for three hours a week and then not thinking about it again. It takes lectures, questions, and independent study. In fact, you should be coming to lecture already having questions.

>>8758673
Heavily this, the only decent response on this thread