Trump science funding cuts

> "Gee, thanks 4chan"

- literally everyone that isn't American

I'm glad to be honest. America is slowly going back to being the backward shithole it was always meant to be, but they got saved by WW2 and European scientists. Cutting science and increasing military spending is literally perfect for the chinks now.

File: 1465725205665.png (189KB, 327x316px) Image search: [Google]

189KB, 327x316px

>>8753363
ebin

>>8753339
What happens to the rest of that money

>>8753373
more tax cuts for the rich seems likely

I wonder why trump NEVER did an IQ test..

Trump did not even do a SAT to get accepted to warton, he used a loophole to get into a high-level school without doing any intelligence test.

I really wonder why he did that

>>8753393
why did he not do it*

he didn't have to, he doesn't have to compensate like you beta faggots

File: 1272564550669.png (15KB, 476x485px) Image search: [Google]

15KB, 476x485px

[math]\color{red} {\textbf{STOP FEEDING THE TRUMPTARDS}}[/math]

>>8753373
You think money will still magically appear after those tax cuts for the rich?

He's making up for it by defunding so many other agencies.

>>8753886
[math]\color{green} {\textbf{RUDE}}[/math]
[math]\color{orange} {\textbf{RUDE}}[/math]
[math]\color{green} {\textbf{RUDE}}[/math]
[math]\color{orange} {\textbf{RUDE}}[/math]
[math]\color{green} {\textbf{RUDE}}[/math]
[math]\color{orange} {\textbf{RUDE}}[/math]
[math]\color{green} {\textbf{RUDE}}[/math]
[math]\color{orange} {\textbf{RUDE}}[/math]

>>8753339
I don't understand why literally anybody surprised that Trump is doing this or that this was even going to happen, literally any republican would have done this and any republican with a pulse could have beaten Hillary.

>>8753373
A 10% increase in defense spending is basically as much as all those cuts put together, since defense is by far the largest part of US discretionary spending.

It's a good budget plan.

>>8753339
NASA and the Department of Defense is all that matters anyways. Fuck the rest.

>>8753339
They should tax people 99% of their income and fund science.

>>8753339
should have bent the knee instead of shilling for the loser. time for the consequences of your actions.

ur analysis shows with large-scale evidence that the system is totally broken. The majority of the US authors of the most influential papers in medicine and life sciences in the last decade do not have NIH funding; their funding rate may even be less than the rate of the average applicant. Conversely, study section members are almost always funded (a corollary of their selection process by NIH), but their citation impact is typically modest, nothing exceptional. High-impact innovators and funded study section members are almost completely mutually exclusive groups.

http://scopeblog.stanford.edu/2012/12/05/nih-funding-mechanism-totally-broken-says-stanford-researcher/

HINT: Public funding is a shit way of directing funds towards science. It usually ends up being given to the worst and least productive possible research.

Science funding is good.
Government controlling science funding is bad.

The result? Only 40 percent of scientists with highly cited papers are listed as the principal investigators on NIH grants. That is, those scientists whose peers value their insights and research most highly in their field are often not receiving federal support for that work.

>>8754850
this. some of those cuts are even too small.

>>8754845
t. Trump

more /r/politics threads?

File: 1476451108785.jpg (72KB, 604x453px) Image search: [Google]

72KB, 604x453px

doesn't matter. the strongest and most intelligent will always rise to the top. why have the government keep paying to give niggers laptops and puppies for beta males to pet in class?

>>8754861
You don't know what you are talking about, kys

>>8753339
>percentage increase

BULLSHIT CHART IS BULLSHIT! Do you know how much fucking money the DoD gets? 9% is a fuckton increase.

>>8753339
Turns out lower taxes mean less money to spend
Who knew

DARPA and NASA is part of military budget iirc

>>8753393
He was smart enough to beat the system whereas others didn't

>>8753339
>>8754850
This.
Trump actually inflated the budget dedicated to actual science

File: 84287182.jpg (306KB, 684x640px) Image search: [Google]

306KB, 684x640px

>>8754845
>>8753881
>>8754930
>>8754850
>>8754862
>tenks twump

>>8753352
> - anyone with a triple digit IQ
Ftfy

File: Sowell deal with it.jpg (96KB, 1260x876px) Image search: [Google]

96KB, 1260x876px

>>8753339
Good. It's not like they were actually using that money to do science. Every one of those departments and agencies are a shitshow of internal politics, bureaucracy, and design by committee hell.

Maybe now they'll shape up.

>>8755006
>ad hominem
Shills please leave

>>8754876
>Shitposts on 4chan
>Thinks he's the strongest or most intelligent

You and I are in the same category as the niggers and beta males.

>>8754879
lel, I was literally quoting a very respected critic of NIH. None of that was my "voice".

File: IMG_2772.png (3MB, 1242x2208px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 1242x2208px

Does no one into economics here? Trumps tax plan could very well INCREASE tax revenue in our country as decreasing taxes could increase the inflow of money itself almost like how interest rates do.
Also more businesses are going to be incentivized to work HERE and thats even BETTER.
Sincerely, MAGA shill

>>8754833
What is Mr Trump afraid of? US has a fairly large and active military already no?
Some rogue country should start poking and prodding this huge retarded elephant just for entertainment. Maybe best Korea can step up to the plate someday!?

>>8755363
>expects to find non-fallacious arguments on 4chan
No u

>>8753339
This thread belongs on /pol/

File: fuck off.jpg (229KB, 717x880px) Image search: [Google]

229KB, 717x880px

>>8753886

>drumpflets trying to defend this
face it, you can't

>>8753373
Military and tax cuts for the rich

>>8755585
Military spending is a key part of creating jobs for Trump's rural base

>Some rogue country should start poking and prodding this huge retarded elephant just for entertainment.
Osama bin Laden did this already desu, he succeeded beyond his wildest dreams. He got America to start 2 wars, waste trillions of dollars, descend into levels of Muslim paranoia that shouldn't be possible culminating in the election of a president so incompetent and stupid that he'll permanently damage American credibility. He literally got America to have a 16 year chimpout with no sign of ending.

File: IMG_1486.png (200KB, 443x401px) Image search: [Google]

200KB, 443x401px

Reminders climate science is fake science

>>8753886
>>8753899
What is this wizardy.

>>8755607

>Some rogue country should start poking and prodding this huge retarded elephant just for entertainment.
Osama bin Laden did this already desu, he succeeded beyond his wildest dreams. He got America to start 2 wars, waste trillions of dollars, descend into levels of Muslim paranoia that shouldn't be possible culminating in the election of a president so incompetent and stupid that he'll permanently damage American credibility. He literally got America to have a 16 year chimpout with no sign of ending.


I kekked audibly for a long while. fuck

How much of that military funding will go into cybersecurty and warfare? Why is America allergic to getting good at the Internet we have so many neets.

>>8755618
America is a very sparse country aside from the northeast and LA

Shills have been leaking into other boards for some time now with their daily drumpf btfo threads. Don't think people don't notice.

This looks like a solid plan, he's cutting a lot of bullshit out. No idea why he's going for more defense spending instead of infrastructure but as long as he's not gifting money to terrorist countries I don't care.

>thinking this budget is anything but DOA

First foray into politics, nerds? Back to the lab.

>>8755658
>as long as he's not gifting money to terrorist countries I don't care.

You'll be very disappointed when we sends some new arms to Saudi Arabia.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-08/trump-set-approve-weapons-sales-saudi-arabia-bahrain-blocked-obama

Miss Obama yet?

>>8755614
LaTeX shitposting. that's next level /sci/ shit

>>8753373
that money is net 0 change

>>8755569
>cutting taxes magically makes more business appear
o I am laffer

If your science is so valuable then prove it in the free market

>>8755741
Science is not a product, it's a process.

>>8755569
>cut American science spending
>give tax cuts to the rich
>rich invest it in start ups by Wang and Pajib

>>8755741
>using the "free market" to measure the value of ideas

>>8754833

Maybe he is arming for war.

He shouldn't cut funds on NASA. He should give them more money. He also should give more money to Fusion, AI, Neuroscience and Quantum researches.

>>8755741
>argumentum ad snek
kys

>>8755607
>Military spending is a key part of creating jobs for Trump's rural base
Yup, this is good old fashioned spoils system.

Trump will be creating blue-collar, private industry, and military jobs, while cutting as much income and power as possible from blue-voting government employees, academics, and immigrants.

>>8754833
>defense is by far the largest...
No, it isn't.
Defense is large, but social programs are far larger.

>>8753373
I'm sure a concept as simple as "pay denbts" is not hard to understand.

>>8753339
WE DID IT 4CHAN

>>8756032

But the military allows the oil-dollar system to continue. Which underwrites the rest of the budget.

>>8755607

Why do people assume Trump is stupid? You don't get to be a billionaire by being stupid. There's far too many high IQ sharks in the top.

>>8755898

So you're going to have government bureacrats decide the worth of something instead?

File: 1486506721153.jpg (30KB, 400x400px) Image search: [Google]

30KB, 400x400px

>>8753339
Sorry libfags, but the gravy train is over.
"mo money for dem programs" will have to wait for another president.

>>8755689

You want cheap energy? You're going to deal with slimebags.

You want to live a high standard of living? You're going to deal with slimebags.

>>8755618
>Why is America allergic to getting good at the Internet we have so many neets.

Because natural monopolies.

>>8753339

>The United States spends more on their defense budget than China, Saudi Arabia, Russia, The United Kingdom, India, France, and Japan combined.[38] The 2009 U.S. military budget accounts for approximately 40% of global arms spending. The 2012 budget is 6–7 times larger than the $106 billion military budget of China. The United States and its close allies are responsible for two-thirds to three-quarters of the world's military spending (of which, in turn, the U.S. is responsible for the majority)


why the fuck would you need to increase such a gargantuan budget even further? It is obvious that American military failures such as Afghanistan or Iraq result from bad policy/bad strategy, not from the ack of tanks, aircraft carriers or rockets.

>>8756167
*lack

>>8756167

https://www.whitehouse.gov/making-our-military-strong-again

>That’s why the Trump Administration will rebuild our military
>rebuild

mysides.jpg

> In FY 2015, Pentagon and related spending totaled $598 billion, about 54% of the fiscal year 2015 U.S. discretionary budget. For FY 2017, President Obama proposed the base budget of $523.9 billion, which includes an increase of $2.2 billion over the FY 2016 enacted budget of $521.7 billion.

unless your govenrmnent has some secret intel about an imminent ayy lmao invasion there are exactly zero reasons for all this.

>>8756119
>You want cheap energy? You're going to deal with slimebags.
Not true. America can produce its own cheap energy, just have to take the handcuffs off. That was why OPEC opened the floodgates: with the price of oil high, America was rapidly replacing them with high-tech production methods.

>You want to live a high standard of living? You're going to deal with slimebags.
Also not true. Same reason. Team Blue has been strangling American industry for decades, so they could get rich making deals with slimebags.

>>8755689
>http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-08/trump-set-approve-weapons-sales-saudi-arabia-bahrain-blocked-obama
>Miss Obama yet?

From the article:
>the Obama administration offered more than $115 billion worth of weapons to Riyadh in 42 separate deals between 2009 and 2016 — more than any U.S. administration in history.
>in the last months of his administration, Barack Obama decided to halt some arms sales to Saudi Arabia, following "allegations" of war crimes

>said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity. “Whereas the Obama administration held back on these, they’re now in the new administration’s court for a decision — and I would anticipate the decision will be to move forward.”
>If confirmed, it would suggest

So you're talking about Obama's actual massive arms sales to Saudi Arabia, vs. an anonymous source's "anticipation" that Trump will be as bad as Obama (aside from Obama's irrelevant last-minute virtue signalling).

>>8756167
because education and health are way overrated
(the rich said and hey, they're rich, you know)

More proof that neither Trump nor Republicans know what these programs do.

>>8756185
The size of the budgets aren't the problem. The problem is focus, clarity of purpose, and integrity. You can't throw money at those.

The nuclear arsenal, the most important part of the military, is in a shameful condition. The upper ranks are loaded with the worst careerists rather than the best men. There's an entirely disgusting relationship between contractors and retired officers, which affects the decisions of current officers. They've been repeatedly sent out to fight without clear purpose, and pulled back without achieving victory.

Cutting military spending might eventually be the right thing, but starting out with it would send the wrong message entirely. First they'll spend more on the things that are being neglected, then they'll target the waste.

>>8756200
programs are things on the television between adverts anon

>>8756107
>You don't get to be a billionaire by being stupid
Of course you can, you just need to have a very rich father, then you hire people who'll know how to manage your money (or your presidential campaign)

>>8756237
only brainlets choose to not have rich parents

What exactly is the bad thing about cutting the EPA budget? I am pretty sure it will survive even with a 31% decrease, what exactly is the EPA even doing?

>>8756237
>you just need to have a very rich father

I'm sorry but you're fucking retarded if you think that's the only way people get rich.

His father is smart and I'd assume that their children are smart.

Tell me, why isn't he smart? Even George W. Bush was smart. His fucking hokey schtick was adopted to endear himself to middle America.

>>8756262

CONT.

And there's one lesson of life. Top (western) politicians are smart generalists for the most part.

The important skill is picking out the right people and delegating them accordingly. I don't give a shit if he's studied topology or women's studes. He just needs to how to choose the right people.

>>8756107
Start with a lot of money, get involved with organized crime, ?????, profit

Organized crime is everywhere in real estate.

>>8756237
why don't you turn a thousand into a million then? it's the same order of magnitude increase as a million to a billion.

>>8756290
Can't hire people to make me richer with only a grand

>>8755611
>implying you didn't type that with the AC on full blast in the middle of March

>>8756290
Trump didn't start with only a million. He was raised into the family business worth at least a hundred million (in 2017 dollars) when he started, and eventually took charge of it all.

Anyway, you can't compare starting with thousands to starting with millions. There's a certain minimum amount of money where you can live comfortably off interest without working and without spending your investment funds, and it's vastly easier to increase your fortune after you have the option to be idly rich, than to reach this level from humble beginnings.

It's hard to say whether Trump's success as investor and businessman was luck or savvy. It can play out either way. If he had lumped all of the money available to him into index funds, he'd have done as well, but when he started out, it wasn't the conventional wisdom (as it is now) that index funds were a good investment. Safe conventional investments wouldn't have increased his fortune as much as he did, but on a good day a casino gambler makes a big profit, and he came close to disaster a few times. He has certainly profited from his colorful character, although that probably would have been ignored if he wasn't rich to begin with.

>>8756290
This meme is so old. Trump was raised in a family of millionaires. It's not a surprise that he had access to a great education, great private schools, and didn't have to pay for anything himself. He got born with a silver spoon in his mouth. Does that mean turning increasing his wealth even more isn't impressive? No, but it's much less impressive than say, someone like Warren Buffet who started with little to nothing and became a billionaire.

File: REE.gif (129KB, 450x400px) Image search: [Google]

129KB, 450x400px

>>8753339
U hab stobbed our tedies flow.
We wil memb dis.

>>8756538
then get a loan. most successful businessmen build their wealth on credit.

>>8756673
Getting a loan is much easier for the wealthy. For someone like Donald Trump, his last name meant that he could walk into a bank and the bank would say "Oh, you're Fred Trump's son. Here, have 40 million dollars in construction funds." They were willing to loan him money not because he was trustworthy (and eventually they discovered that he really wasn't) but because his father had plenty of money. It took years for banks to realize that Donald Trump wasn't trustworthy as a borrower, and by then he had blown through millions of dollars of other people's money, whereas someone without Trump's last name wouldn't have even been given a chance in the first place.

>>8754928
>cheating is okay when Trump does it
>cheating is okay when whites do it

>>8753339
>cutting budgets of NASA, EPA, Agriculture, Health, Education, Energy, and Transportation
baka

>>8757307
To private.

It's that kid musk still playing with rockets?

>To (((private)))

>>8756926

The world is unfair and that includes genetics.

You can't fault people for thinking that smart people have smart kids or clever people have clever kids...

And they wouldn't be wrong. It's one of those facts of the world which darkens any model that failed to take it into account.

If a grant is already written and approved, but the funds have yet to be dispersed, will I still get money?

It's NHS, funding my master's degree and PI's new lab

>cuts NASA budget
>NASA can't make muslim outreach their #1 priority anymore
>all brainlets, women, diversity hires etc get sacked
>only hyper autistic huwhite men as God intended
>NASA starts to actually get shit done
Clever man.

>>8757362
Except that's been demonstrably wrong. It's one of the reasons we moved away from feudalism and nobility to begin with. A great king was a poor indicator the son would be a great king, especially since the son grew up in an environment separated from the peasants and could not understand their needs. The same flaws are appearing with capitalism and the system will be forced to change eventually. It's just dialectics in motion.

>>8757390
>NASA can't make muslim outreach their #1 priority anymore
Proofs?

>>8753339

I get that most of /sci/ knows nothing about .gov policy (this applies to /pol/ as well), but while money is being cut it's not going to be catastrophic. Here's why:

1. Most American bioscience initiatives is paid for by Medicare. The GOP will not dare touch it because most of their base belongs to the AARP.

2. The cutting edge of American applied physics/chemistry research is spearheaded by the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, who also happens makes our nuclear weapons (and made a major breakthrough in fuse design just last year). Trump has already greenlighted the nuke modernization program, which will cost over a Trillion dollars.

3. The Dept. of Education has been more or less the bitch of private contractors since the 2002 No Child Left Behind Act, which in practice created huge monopolies out of existing textbook publishers (Pearson, Houghton Mifflin, McGraw Hill, etc). The Common Core created a situation where education could be completely commodified on the Federal level, thereby making privatization efforts much easier. Trump cutting funding out merely accelerates the process. Congress has also floated the idea of letting college debt be absolved during bankruptcy, thereby allowing that market to function better. If this happens the market will crash and there will be no reason for large DoE grant programs.

4. Most of the Dept. of Energy cuts go to renewable subsidies, which states can reimplement if they so desire. Blue states (ie the states that consume the most energy) likely will.

>>8757415

5. The Dept. of Housing and Urban Dev. hasn't EVER done anything productive in it's entire existence. In the 60s they were the thing that knocked down urban districts to put up freeways and hi-rise social housing blocks. Cutting them out entirely gives large blue cities much more control over their own affairs.

6. Likewise, most of the Dept. of Transportation's budget goes toward freeway construction and maintence, thereby enabling unsustainable suburban sprawl. Gutting them means a rapid expansion of toll roads which is objectively good as it encourages better land use and transit use.

7. Foreign aid undercuts businesses in recipient countries and should be done away with entirely if we want those countries to improve. 2017 Africa is not 1947 Germany, Marshall Plan inspired policies do not work.

So, taken broadly Trump's cuts aren't that bad. They're just accelerating things that have already been in the works since the end of the Cold War. Which is it's not catastrophic.

>>8757362
Hereditary nobility isn't actually a good way of governing. You might think that the wealthy are somehow a more deserving breed of genetically superior beings, but actual human history has demonstrated that assigning positions of power based on birth is a recipe for a stagnant, corrupt society.

File: 1458109853005-1.png (334KB, 449x452px) Image search: [Google]

334KB, 449x452px

>>8757415
>>8757416
Wow a poster with a brain when it comes to government function rather than simply looking at numbers and crying. Color me surprised.

>>8757420
> Hereditary nobility isn't actually a good way of governing
> actual human history has demonstrated that assigning positions of power based on birth is a recipe for a stagnant, corrupt society
[citation needed]

History is full of examples of extremely effective monarchies. Are they "nice" by the standards of modern liberals? No. They didn't give a shit about "tolerance" or "gender identity" or any of that bullshit. But the fact is that they got shit done. Sre they were brutal, but that's why they worked. Brutality might be nasty, but it is undeniably effective. Modern liberal democracies, on the other hand, are festering shitholes that do nothing but hand out free stuff to an unproductive mob. They care so much about hurt feelings, minorities, and criminals that it completely paralyzes them. Nations need strong leaders, and democracies are shit when it comes to producing strong leaders. Monarchies at least have a chance at cultivating a good genetic lineage of strong leaders, whereas democracies are constantly being pulled away from strong leadership by the masses who want a government that will do nothing but take care of them.

>>8757415
>>8757416
How the hell do you justify gutting the EPA though? That's fucking madness considering how efficient the agency already was with the little funds it had.

>>8757435
Feels over reals as always, stay classy /pol/.

>>8757436
That's just moving the goalposts. The real question is how do you justify funding the EPA? No government spending should just be taken for granted, every dollar should be justified based on actual usefulness. The EPA has so far failed to show that it's actually useful. Did it stop things like Flint's water contamination? Nope. So why should they get any money if they don't do anything to deserve it?

>>8757444
You're arguing that failing one thing demands even less funding so they can fail more things. In that case why aren't the military suffering for all the fuckups they caused?

>>8757436
The parts of the EPA that are getting cut are "renewable energy" programs, which are basically just ways that the dims funnel taxpayer money to their cronies and wealthy supporters. It's rent seeking, nothing more. The actual clean air and clean water programs aren't getting cut, and maybe now the EPA will actually start focusing on that like it was supposed to do in the first place.

>>8757448
The military hasn't fucked up lately, it's obongo's "leadership" that has been the major fuck up. Right now the military is badly demoralized because of how incompetent obongo was and how much he neglected national security. A boost in defense spending to show that the government is getting its priorities straight again will go a long way to restoring morale.

>>8757449
You better have a citation that shows exactly what they're cutting otherwise I'm calling made up bullshit.

>>8757441
> Point out that monarchies get shit done regardless of liberal fee fees

> Feels over reals
Stay ignorant shill.

File: counterattack.jpg (33KB, 640x480px) Image search: [Google]

33KB, 640x480px

>>8757435
>Brutality might be nasty, but it is undeniably effective.
Effective methods are often brutal, but being brutal doesn't guarantee effectiveness any better than being kind.
>Monarchies at least have a chance at cultivating a good genetic lineage of strong leaders
leadership has very little to do with genetics and more to do with education and personality (which has its roots in genetics to some degree but is really more to do with hormonal fluctuations in utero and variability in late pre-natal and early post-natal development).
if you took the child of an effective king and his high-bred wife, raised the brat among illiterate peasants for twenty years, and then put him on the throne, he wouldn't have what it takes to manage his vassals and maintain the principality. that kind of shit only works in fairy tales.
this is what happens when you get sucked in by your MUH RACIAL SUPERIORITY meme.

>>8757444
>The EPA has so far failed to show that it's actually useful. Did it stop things like Flint's water contamination? Nope.
>the EPA didn't stop us from poisoning our constituents and wasting huge amounts of taxpayer money in a boondoggle that was a handout to our corporate friends from the beginning
>therefore the EPA should be abolished!
-Michigan Republicans, probably

>>8757436

I can't hence why I didn't mention it.

>>8757444

The EPA is useful in doing things like keeping the great lakes clean, which in turn provides clean water for things like farms.

>>8757453
Uh huh, and it wasn't his whatever nonsense you're blathering about that caused the EPA to make mistakes? Seems like a case of confirmation bias here.

>>8757454
The cuts are mainly to the "clean power plan" that obongo tried to ram through.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/16/6317877/

>>8757468
Fuck off /pol/. Nobody cares what your bible has to say.

>>8757469
> I'm going to ignore any evidence that comes from places that I don't like!
What the fuck are you doing on a science board?

>>8757472
>says the person who calls every single source besides breitbart or infowars fake news

>>8757362

>You can't fault people for thinking that smart people have smart kids or clever people have clever kids...
>And they wouldn't be wrong. It's one of those facts of the world which darkens any model that failed to take it into account.

Except we live in the modern era anon where it has been factually proven numerous times by statistics and history that smart parents do not always have smart kids due to regression towards the mean.

Which highlights the previous poster's point, Donald Trump like others born into wealth are automatically given the benefit of doubt due to family name alone. They are rarely given the necessary tests to prove competence at or above the level of their predecessors.

It is way harder to achieve millionaire status than billionaire status simply because becoming a millionaire requires you to carve out a niche and defend it for multiple years. Achieving billionaire status comes down to investing in the right markets and expanding your brand over time.

Reminder that Micheal Jordan is currently worth 1.3 billion dollars today simply because he utilize his brand and invested in the right markets. In 1984 he was only worth 6 million dollars.

In 33 years Jordan was able to transform a $6 million net worth to a $1.3 billion net worth. Roughly 1/3rd Donald Trump's worth without the legacy advantage.

The billionaire benchmark is a much easier goal than the millionaire benchmark. And this is without bringing up Zuckerberg tier bullshit.

>>8757475
Which source predicted Trump's victory, the MSM or Breitbart?
Breitbart.
Which source predicted that brexit would win, the MSM or Breitbart?
Breitbart again.
The MSM went 0/2, while Breitbart got it 2/2. It is objectively superior as a source of information.

>>8757478
>he considers election forcasts anything but horoscopes
Lmaoing at your life right now.

>>8757459
> this is what happens when you get sucked in by your MUH RACIAL SUPERIORITY meme.

> implying racial superiority isn't a real thing
Right, that's why there are plenty of African nations that are on the level of the US or the UK. And of course all races have the same average IQ, it's not like there are huge gaps in intelligence between races.

Oh wait.

>>8757486
https://youtu.be/GEzOgpMWnVs
Funny thing about imperialism.

File: TRAPPIST-1.png (4MB, 1800x2250px) Image search: [Google]

4MB, 1800x2250px

>>8757453
>The military hasn't fucked up lately, it's obongo's "leadership" that has been the major fuck up.
Under Obama:
>track down and kill bin Laden
>Iraqi Army regroups and begins pushing ISIS out, even beginning to retake Mosul
Under Trump:
>greenlights plan to get intel from terrorists in Yemen, manages to get an 8-year-old girl and a Navy SEAL killed along with 20+ civilians
>touts intel from botched raid as groundbreaking despite the fact that the only intel they got is something we've had for a decade already
>pisses off all our major allies
>holds national security meetings at Mar a Lago in plain view and earshot of un-vetted resort members
>claims he has a secret plan to defeat ISIS, later vows to have a plan ready within 30 days, still hasn't done shit two months into presidency
but yeah, it's all Obama's fault.

Q. What's the difference between Melania Trump and a /pol/ack?
A. Melania can only suck Donald's cock for a few minutes before having to come up for air.

>>8757486

>being this retarded
>missing the point of anon's statement

Not even that guy but no one is fucking talking about race in the literal sense here. We're talking about social class and the competency of future lineages. So put your /pol/ dick back in your pants and get your head back in the conversation.

>>8757478
Breitbart also claimed that Clinton would be indicted, that Obama was going to impose martial law on America, and that Obama was born in Kenya.
even a blind nut finds a squirrel.

>>8757506
> Breitbart also claimed that Clinton would be indicted
The FBI flat out admitted that Clinton was guilty and the only reason she wasn't indicted was because of politics.
> that Obama was going to impose martial law on America
He tried to, he just failed miserably because the American people weren't willing to take his shit.
> and that Obama was born in Kenya.
He was.

>>8757491
> greenlights plan to get intel from terrorists in Yemen, manages to get an 8-year-old girl and a Navy SEAL killed along with 20+ civilians
Obongo killed civilians all the fucking time with his drone strikes but you shitlibs never cared, even when he killed American citizens.

And need I remind you that obongo is the reason ISIS even exists. He supported it and helped it grow, all while calling it the JV team and ignoring anyone who suggested that it might be a threat.

>>8757518
> He tried to
[citation needed]

>inb4breitbart citation

>>8757518
>>8757524
Hey you, yeah you. Watch this >>8757490
It completely wrecks Bill Clinton and the mainstream media, you'll love it.

>>8757534
After sandy hook he started barraging the country with executive orders aimed at restricting gun ownership and preventing self defense. But there was enough push back that he failed to get the registry that he wanted and wasn't able to confiscate much.

>>8757541
Already knew plenty about the ridiculous bullshit that Clinton got away with in Yugoslavia and how the MSM turned a blind eye to NATO committing genocide.

>>8757524

>ISIS exist because of Obama

No you fucking idiot, ISIS exist because of Al-Qaeda. They've existed since early 2000's, they're basically the extremist branch of the group which is why ISIS was giving Al-Qaeda shit too.

File: jPtqWd1[1].jpg (133KB, 890x876px) Image search: [Google]

133KB, 890x876px

>>8757518
>this level of delusion

File: 67575144[1].jpg (62KB, 400x294px) Image search: [Google]

62KB, 400x294px

>>8757524
>military under Obama blows up car full of terrorists, accidentally kills some people in the next car over
>military under Trump shoots a bunch of kids in botched raid, accomplishes nothing whatsoever
>LOL OBAMA SUCKS TRUMP IS WAY BETTER GUYS

>>8757553
ISIS was Al-Qaeda in Iraq, which was almost completely destroyed in 2007 and 2008. Then obongo took over, pulled out of Iraq, and just let them grow again. Then they started moving into Syria, where obongo was trying to topple the government and he started supporting tons of Islamists to fight Assad and destabilize the country. They were able to grow into ISIS thanks to obongo pulling out of Iraq and trying to topple Assad in Syria. That created all the chaos that ISIS needed to grow. Obongo basically created ISIS.

>>8757560
> military under Trump shoots a bunch of kids in botched raid, accomplishes nothing whatsoever
Literally never happened. The Yemen raid killed a bunch of terrorists and got a ton of intel. Sure, some civilians were caught in the crossfire, but shitlibs never had a problem when that happened under obongo's rule.

>>8757550
So then why the fuck are you defending the ruling class like some sort of cuck hoping your bull will let you clean up after he's finished fucking your country?

>>8757576
> why the fuck are you defending the ruling class
I'm not. The ruling class is fighting tooth and nail against Trump, and Trump has been crushing them at every turn. For the first time in a long time we have a real shot at completely throwing out the status quo that liberals have been enforcing for decades.

>>8757554
>you MUST go on /pol/ if you don't buy the mainstream press narrative

Ever heard of cognitive dissonance?
You could be a bit 'unhinged' too if you dared yourself to look at sources that don't already agree with your current view of reality

youtu.be/h5i_iDyUTCg

>>875758
The ruling class does not let the enemy into primaries, you should know this. This means even Trump and Sanders were in on it the whole time. Nothing will change until the ruling class is physically overthrown, Trump and Sanders are just plants put there to make you believe you have won by doing nothing.

>>8757560
You liblubs didn't say shit when you saw all those kids in Yemen burned to death. Nobody cares about your one sided hypocritical opinions. Enjoy the innocent blood on your hands.

>>8757573
>The Yemen raid killed a bunch of terrorists and got a ton of intel.
they killed more civvies than terrorists, they didn't kill any higher-ups or terrorists with special skills (the traditional targets of strikes under Obama), and they retrieved literally NO useful intelligence. Trump's people went on and on about some bomb-making video until word got out that we'd already had the video for about a decade, and then they suddenly got quiet.
this is the /pol/ way of doing things, all right. facts don't agree with your position? just make up new and different ALTERNATIVE facts!

>>8757594
>Ever heard of cognitive dissonance?
pls explain what I wrote that is indicative of cognitive dissonance.
protip: dropping buzzwords only makes you sound iamverysmart.png until you run into someone who actually knows what those words mean.

>>8757604
>you didn't care about civilian casualties under Obama!
>I know this because of reasons!
look, I know you're just gonna believe whatever sounds dank to you, but I care about civilian casualties in general and have thought for years that we need tighter RoE on drone strikes. I was okay with drone strikes under Obama entirely because they were accomplishing something (i.e. decapitating terrorist cells) that was worth the collateral damage. When Trump gets a bunch of kids and one of our soldiers killed because he just wants to feel like he's commanding troops, that's a whole different kettle of fish.

>>8757606
>I happen to an expert on the army records guise
>from the facts I got from hilariously biased libtard media
>drumpfs alternative facts amirite guise????
No wonder why nobody takes you seriously.

>>8753339
Damn look at all that money we're going to be saving. Trump 2020. All that surplus is going to pay off our debt in record time.

>>8757625
You're still defending the ruling class, decuck yourself as soon as possible please. We're losing a valuable soldier with you gone.

>>8757631
I'm pointing out your hypocrisy, thats all. I don't think Obamas army did a good job yet you act like it.

>>8757633
I'm not that other guy, I hate Obama and Trump equally as you should. Attack Obama all you want for the war crimes but please stop defending Trump when he's clearly doing the same bullshit. We're in this together and they're too powerful if we're divided.

>>8757568
To be fair Bush, Obama and lots of european countries directly caused ISIS to come into life and expand.

>>8757641
> Attack Obama all you want for the war crimes but please stop defending Trump when he's clearly doing the same bullshit.
> We're in this together
> they're
Wrong, wrong, and wrong. Trump, unlike obongo, is actually committed to fighting against ISIS instead of trying to use them to overthrow Assad.

>>8757648
Well I guess you'll wake up again sooner or later, it's a shame the amount of damage you're doing to the cause without realizing it in the meantime.

>>8757648
But he's banning all the muslims in America for no reason. How far is too far.

>>8757625
>media is biased
>therefore whatever daddy Trump says is true
you believed him when he said he was publicly against the Iraq war from the start, even though the only records (in which he is recorded in his own words) from before the war show him being explicitly in favor of invading Iraq and toppling Saddam. you'd believe him if he said the sky is green.

and it's not even the media saying there was no intel gained; Republican leaders in Congress, who are actually briefed on this kind of thing directly, say there was nothing useful acquired.

>>8757631
> Trump
> the ruling class
Look at how the MSM tried to smear him. Look at how every single elite among the republicrats tried to shoot him down. They're fucking terrified of him. That's why they're funding huge riots to try to create the appearance that he's unpopular. That's why they have the MSM spending every waking hour spewing lies in the hopes that one will finally stick and drag him down.

>>8757653
Well something has to be done for the terrorism in middle east. I was actually sad when he said he was against the Iraq war. The jihadists there don't need a reason to kill, behead or stone people. World would be a better place if you remove the entire middle east all together.

>>8757652
> But he's banning all the muslims in America for no reason
MSM lies. He's not banning mudslimes, his executive order makes zero mention of religion. It's a TEMPORARY PAUSE on people coming from countries that are terrorist hotbeds where we can't vet people easily.

>>8757653
> Republican leaders in Congress
No shit, of course they'll say anything to keep Trump from getting any credit for a win. They've been trying to block him since he announced he was running.

>>8757621
all you wrote was
>delusional
so I replied to the meme instead

I don't necessarily like Breitbart or most 'right wing' ideology, but to categorically assume everything they say is wrong, is simply c.d.
Tell us how the guy ends up dead a week after tweeting a bunch of shit about 'elite' lobbyists?

>>8757658
Did it ever occur to you that America is sick of the establishment? Does it puzzle you why Hillary was so weak during the campaign? What about all the times Trump says one thing but does another? What about when he confessed his love for the CIA? The media is playing the anti establishment tune you want to hear so that you become pacified. Trump does not care about us, how could he? He was born into the ruling class. It's all a big show meant to divide us and bicker amongst ourselves while he gets away with god knows what.

>>8757659
>blames Obama for ISIS
>supports invading Iraq, destabilizing it and allowing ISIS to come into power
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>8757666
>Breitbart constantly makes wild accusations against people in power
>eventually dies
>OMG HE ACCUSED THE (((ELITE))) OF SOMETHING AND THEN TURNED UP DEAD
also, care to explain how posting that meme is indicative of cognitive dissonance? hell, do you know what cognitive dissonance is?

>>8757667
> What about all the times Trump says one thing but does another?
He says dumb shit all the time, but when it comes to actually doing things he's been pretty much spot on. I don't care if what he says and what he does are different as long as he keeps on doing good things.

>>8757682
You consider removing what little social benefits the working class have so that he can lower taxes on the ruling class spot on? You're nothing more than a traitor then.

>>8757692
> removing what little social benefits the working class have
It's not the business of the government to solve your problems for you. The less they get involved, the better.

> so that he can lower taxes on the ruling class
Wrong, he's lowering everyone's taxes.

> You're nothing more than a traitor then.
Says the marxist.

>>8757673
So your assertion is that because a looney was making up dirt about them, this got them enough mad enough to take him out instead of ignoring it or taking them to court for slander like any rational being would?
What a joke, you obviously don't swallow your own BS

File: 718fc0c654b5e8aeb3ef8d1abb9697281847598b14577ddd4828e9e1e29a5b38.jpg (93KB, 934x534px) Image search: [Google]

93KB, 934x534px

>>8757695
Cuckadoodledoo

>>8757699
> wants a system where people are forced to pay to take care of other people's kids
> calls anyone who opposes that system a cuck

>>8757711
I want complete abolition of capitalism , I don't care what happens with the new system but this one has got to go. The less power unelected elites have the better.

>>8757682
>when it comes to actually doing things he's been pretty much spot on
so I take it you didn't notice how he suddenly stopped pretending that Mexico was going to pay for anything, and now he's proposing funneling taxpayer money into his wall boondoggle?

>>8757695
>he's lowering everyone's taxes
but he's also eliminating deductions commonly used by middle-class families, such that net taxes would actually rise for a lot of working parents.
what happens to working families may not be much of a concern to permavirgins like you, but it's a significant worry to the country as a whole.
actually read the proposals and independent analyses of them for once, instead of just swallowing what Orange Daddy feeds you
>http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/publications/analysis-donald-trumps-revised-tax-plan/full

>>8757711
>implying a socialist society would allow you to breed as much as you want
each one = pay more tax, couldn't be more simple
nice bait, though

>>8757698
20 mins later, no reply for this, classic disinfo troll

File: 1488549549746.png (272KB, 909x546px) Image search: [Google]

272KB, 909x546px

>>8757695

>It's not the business of the government to solve your problems for you. The less they get involved, the better.

Then why fuck with anything non-defense at all then?

We could easily fix our current debt by killing all government programs including social security and telling the states to fuck off and survive on their own and they can throw money and bodies in a collective military pot for defense.

But you probably wouldn't like that because at that point only the military and self sustaining farmers/ outdoorsmen would be able to survive.

Most of the academics would bail for a more holistic and stable nation. Thus an immediate brain-drain. The rich would fuck off to their "back-up" countries. Thus an immediate asset drain.

Reminder you have clean water to drink and bath with because the government believes it is in YOUR BEST INTEREST not to end up like some fucking poor sub-sahara African.

Reminder you, your family and your friends are currently "literate" because the government believes it is in YOUR BEST INTEREST not to end up like some fucking sub-60 IQ Aboriginal with zero intellectual skills.

Reminder you and members of family are most likely currently only alive right now because the government believed it was in YOUR BEST INTEREST to establish government funded hospitals so your mother and mother's mother wouldn't have a high chance of dying trying to give birth to you like in pre-modern medicine times.

Yeah it's important to balance the budget but let's not pretend America as it currently is could survive without government involvement. Heck America on multiple occasions barely survived it's growing pains even before a nation wide government was established.

>>8757712
>complete abolition
That means you want to stop people accumulating wealth they created through voluntary transactions and their own work which is well into "big brother knows best" territory.

>>8757745
>implying there's a need to 'accumulate wealth' when everything is is co-owned
BUT STEALING WHAT I MADE/EARNED IS WRONG
>implying owning anything is a result of solely your effort
>implying a need for theft when resources belong to everyone

>>8757764
Let's divvy it up and all be part-time sustenance farmers

>>8757738
> Then why fuck with anything non-defense at all then?
That is exactly what we should do.

> But you probably wouldn't like that because at that point only the military and self sustaining farmers/ outdoorsmen would be able to survive.
> implying everyone needs government welfare to survive
The United States was at its best before it declared "war on poverty." Poverty was already falling before government got involved, and as a result the poverty rate has remained a permanent fixture of the US for the entire history of the welfare state.

Literally everybody in this thread except for me is a faggot, especially OP.
egas

>>8757738
If you tax something you get less of it and if you subsidize something you get more of it.
If you tax productive people, you get less productive people.
If you subsidize unproductives, you get more unproductives.
Government taking from the productive to give to unproductives is what causes brain-drain, as the productive leave the country in favor of others that are not so foolish. Providing unproductives with free stuff allows them to breed out of control and create even more unproductives. Malthus established this more than a century ago, unproductives will reproduce out of control unless there is hunger or disease or violence to keep their numbers in check. By providing free stuff to everyone, you remove the natural limit on the number of unproductives, and soon the nation will be drowning in them. At that point, the strain on the nation will cause it to collapse. Simply giving unproductives food or medicine or protection is scientifically proven to bring about the death of the nation.

>>8757738
> Then why fuck with anything non-defense at all then?
At this point, we really need to be focusing more on defense. ISIS has carved out a caliphate in the middle east and is able to gun people down in the streets in Europe with impunity. Iran is racing toward a nuclear weapon. China has been able to build up a military to rival ours. Worst of all, after years of Obama's weak and incompetent leadership, the world no longer respects the United States. In his narcissistic quest to be loved by everyone, he ignored one of the key lessons of Machiavelli. It is far better to be feared than to be loved. We need the world to fear the United States again. Once that is done, then we can think about other things. But first and foremost the government should be concerned with protecting the nation's borders, and that means putting the fear of the US back in the world.

>>8757435
What shit got done?

>>8757780
What exactly makes you a productive? Do you cultivate the land? If or if not, you're just as replaceably valueless as the rest, as is every 'skilled brain', but it's obvious that you didn't come here to actually debate this bullshit false dichotomy.
>>8757802
Keep replying to yourself, it's cute

>>8757822
When monarchies decided to take the fight to the mudslimes, they slaughtered them and carved out Christian states from their lands. These days democracies are tripping over themselves to invite in as many mudslimes as possible so that they can rape, kill, and loot.

>>8758285
reminds me of an imam i listened to once
said the exact same words, but replace muslim with christian

probably referring to iberian peninsula, parts of italy, the balkans and the byzantine empire

Is that why there were less NSF GRFPs awarded this year?

You've gone too far pol

>>8756249
spilling millions of tons of toxic waste into US rivers because they're too incompetent and need more money
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/09/us/colorado-epa-mine-river-spill/index.html

i'm sure they do something else also

>>8755741
this a free market is also natural selection and natural selection drives human evolution. nature is not fair or moral we should let nature run its course in the market.

>>8757802

>Worst of all, after years of Obama's weak and incompetent leadership, the world no longer respects the United States.

Anon the world lose respect for us when Bush Jr. decided to waste everyone's time, money and bodies on a bunch technologically backwards sand people in countries people barely knew existed.

>In his narcissistic quest to be loved by everyone

If you took his international policy as narcissism then you completely missed the point of his administrations goal. We spent 8 years fighting a series of conflicts that should have only taken a couple of well placed nukes to solve. We gave the terrorists and radical Islam way too much face time in response to the equivalent of oversized Kamikaze attacks on 9/11. The fuckers didn't even have enough respect to officially declare war on us first.

Obama's tour around the world was exactly what some conservative commentators speculated it was, an apology tour. And considering what we put everyone in the civilized world through it was very much needed.

>It is far better to be feared than to be loved. We need the world to fear the United States again
>again

Reminder that the U.S. didn't achieve it's global prominence by being feared but by effectively bailing out european allies in both world war 1 and 2. Then kicking out the Japanese from most of Asia, then bailing out the Japanese afterwards. And throwing financial aid to Africa, South America and the middle East.

Nobody "feared" the U.S., the U.S. just simply punched back harder when opposing countries attacked first. Europe was more feared than the U.S. since european nations were the ones trying to conquer lands both domestic and foreign.

>>8758341
> Environmental "Protection" Agency
> does more damage to the environment than it prevents
Why the fuck are we giving these people any money to begin with?

>>8757541
>In short order, racism becomes a very useful thing to cloak and justify class exploitation
Might just as well be talking about Trump

>>8757588
>The ruling class is fighting tooth and nail against Trump
Meanwhile, Trump is literally Israels greatest ally and there are more billionaires and bankers in the government than ever

L O L

>>8757490
https://youtu.be/GEzOgpMWnVs?t=1352
quite fitting to this
>>8753339

File: really makes you think.png (420KB, 473x540px) Image search: [Google]

420KB, 473x540px

>>8757780
>babby's first libertarian post
yes yes, we all get that you took econ 101 and now think that you understand how everything works. no, I'm not being sarcastic, your simplistic theoretical approach based on a high school level reading of Wikipedia really IS superior to the empirically tested ideas of thousands of experts who have collectively studied national economies in the wild for decades and decades. yes, you're verysmart.bmp

>>8758349
>Reminder that the U.S. didn't achieve it's global prominence by being feared but by effectively bailing out european allies in both world war 1 and 2. Then kicking out the Japanese from most of Asia, then bailing out the Japanese afterwards. And throwing financial aid to Africa, South America and the middle East.
>Nobody "feared" the U.S., the U.S. just simply punched back harder when opposing countries attacked first. Europe was more feared than the U.S. since european nations were the ones trying to conquer lands both domestic and foreign.
this this this this and this

File: received_1280028208749805.jpg (53KB, 720x1280px) Image search: [Google]

53KB, 720x1280px

>>8753339
Fuuuuuuuuuuuck I work for DEP!
It's not like we get paid much anyways. :(

>>8753339
What am I supposed to be upset about, exactly?

>>8759723
Liberals are crying because their favorite bureaucrats might actually have to start doing enough work to justify their existence instead of being able to sit back and suck a government paycheck.

>>8759723
Apparently the MSM thinks that we should be angry that Trump is doing what he promised to do, cutting the fat from government. The seem to forget that America overwhelmingly chose Trump precisely because it is sick of sprawling government bureaucracy that contributes nothing of value.

>>8759780
>overwhelmingly
real maid me think

>>8759798
What else do you call winning literally more than five times as many counties as shillary?
Trump: 2,584
Shillary: 472

>>8759816
>literally
hmm

>>8759816
>so what if Clinton got 2.8 million more votes, all fifty of the people who live in Wyoming voted for Trump!

>>8759913
> Why can't LA, Chicago, and NYC just run the country? Why do we have to represent the working people living in middle America who grow all our food and produce all our resources?

Looks like you skipped out on your civics class. I'll give you a refresher: In the US, the popular vote DOES NOT MATTER. We are the United STATES of America, not the United People of America. The states elect the president, not the people. The founders specifically designed the system that way to prevent the teeming masses of worthless city dwellers who do nothing but breed from controlling the country and driving it to ruin. The recent election once again demonstrated the wisdom of that decision.

>>8759913
least argument available

>>8759913
Actual American citizens picked Trump. Clinton's entire popular vote "victory" came from California, which lets illegals vote.

>>8753339
Gonna need a source there. And no, not the generic link in the corner

>>8759988
The full text of the budget blueprint can be found here:
http://www.npr.org/2017/03/16/520379061/read-president-trumps-budget-blueprint

A breakdown of what's in it can be found here:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-presidential-budget-2018-proposal/

>>8760001
> NPR
> WaPo
Got anything that isn't absurdly biased? They haven't accurately reported on anything Trump has done so far, and I don't see why they'd change that now all of a sudden.

>>8757362
>you cant fault people for assuming that smart people have smart children

yes you can. if you are providing loans of tens of millions of dollars to a person on no grounds but an assumption, you are at fault.

Many smart parents have smart children, but not everyone born with a silver spoon in their mouth is intelligent. Seeing issues as more than black and white seems to be a problem trump supporters have. Brushing off someone else's argument with platitudes like "well, life's not fair!" is the worst way to come to a logical conclusion about anything.

>>8760001
>>8760015
I do agree but this seems legit. Solid source for a change

>>8757711
and yet here you are. I guarantee you make less than 80k a year and yet you stick your neck out for big businesses and millionaires that want nothing more than to fuck you over and over and over again. How? by checking off the name on the ballot every 4 years that has the big fat "R" next to it. Honestly, how can you be so fucking stupid and blind? They have, you do not. You never will. Is it their obligation to be middle class like you? no. I'm saying the people with millions of dollars worth of advantages dont need any more breaks. You and I do. stop shooting yourself in the foot for jesus and the same gun you're using to do it with.

>>8760059
> Brushing off someone else's argument with platitudes like "well, life's not fair!" is the worst way to come to a logical conclusion about anything.

Utopian nonsense. The fact that life isn't fair is just that, a fact. When your argument rests on the idea that something isn't fair, pointing out that life is not fair does rebut the argument. Demanding that life be fair is the same as demanding that the sun rise in the west and set in the east, it's mindless babbling that has nothing to do with the way the world actually works.

People will assume that because rich people are smarter, that the children of rich people will be smarter. That is going to happen. Don't like it? Too bad, that's the same as not liking the fact that gravity pulls you down.

>>8760070
Seems legit and actually legit are two very different things. I wouldn't put it past the MSM to make up a fake budget just to smear Trump. Personally, I'm going to wait for an actual reliable source.

>>8760086
True, it wouldn't even be their dirties game

>>8759960
>the wisdom of that decision

you poor soul. This is the biggest fuck up in american political history. that orange retard has no idea what he's doing and everyone knows it. His political moves are transparent, his staff members are under investigation for colluding with russia before election day, and now his proposed budget just wants to bolster the military more. why? just fucking why? it makes no sense and all i get for saying so is "shut up cuck".

>>8760086
You can go to the White House's official website, look under the Office of Management of the Budget, and click on "Budget." They have a pdf of the budget blueprint that you can look at.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget
https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/whitehouse.gov/files/omb/budget/fy2018/2018_blueprint.pdf

File: pol despised.jpg (108KB, 500x600px) Image search: [Google]

108KB, 500x600px

>>8759960
>The founders specifically designed the system that way to prevent the teeming masses of worthless city dwellers who do nothing but breed from controlling the country and driving it to ruin.
Nice revisionist history.
Are you aware that those "teeming masses of worthless city dwellers" only made up ~5% of the country at the time the Constitution was drafted? The rural population was FAR in the majority then, and would not have been disadvantaged by using the popular vote.
Additionally, presidential electors were not originally chosen by popular vote; it was left up to individual states to decide how they were going to choose their electors. This is some middle school civics stuff; are you really unaware of it?

Here, I'll tell you why it really worked out that way.
>The founders specifically designed the system that way to assuage the concerns of slave states who were worried they wouldn't get enough say in presidential elections, due to their high slave population and low eligible voter population.
Since slaves were worth 3/5ths of a freeman for the purposes of census apportionment, the electoral college meant that slave states would get a little extra compared to how the popular vote would have gone.

nothing to see here, just a butthurt Johnny Reb trying to rewrite the history books to justify his side's rejection of actual democracy. William T. Sherman didn't go far enough...


>>8759970
>everyone who voted for the candidate I didn't like is an illegal immigrant!
go ahead and show one example of California allowing an illegal immigrant to vote in a national election, you delusional cuck.

>>8760096
It was literally Trump or WW3. Choosing Trump was the better decision by far. The fact that the electoral college was needed to override the teeming masses of dims in the coastal cities just shows how vital it is that we not allow the popular vote to determine anything. The majority in the popular vote backed the destruction of modern human civilization, and it was only because of the electoral college that we avoided that.

File: Ididn'tevolveforthis.jpg (463KB, 942x988px) Image search: [Google]

463KB, 942x988px

We're all gonna die, aren't we?

>>8760111
> go ahead and show one example of California allowing an illegal immigrant to vote in a national election, you delusional cuck.

Easy

http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/trump-is-right-millions-of-illegals-probably-did-vote-in-2016/
http://www.breitbart.com/california/2016/12/30/california-licenses-800k-illegal-aliens-motor-voter-law/
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/01/experts-california-voter-registration-system-highly-susceptible-to-fraud.html
https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/immigration/item/24963-giving-drivers-licenses-to-illegal-aliens-makes-illegal-voting-a-real-possibility

>>8760111
> Are you aware that those "teeming masses of worthless city dwellers" only made up ~5% of the country at the time the Constitution was drafted? The rural population was FAR in the majority then, and would not have been disadvantaged by using the popular vote.
The founders foresaw the rise of cancerous urban areas, so they designed a system that could survive even if the cities became so bloated that they could control the majority of the popular vote.

> Additionally, presidential electors were not originally chosen by popular vote
Which was a really good idea, and the move toward the popular vote doing more and more is one of the things that has led to the decline of the US. Shit like the direct election of senators was a colossal mistake.

> Slavery
Was not a serious issue in reality. The real historical revision was the north trying to turn slavery into this massive issue well after the civil war in order to justify attacking the south.

>>8753339
>muh billions spent for increasingly minimal real world advancement
It doesnt take millions upon millions of dollars for a committee to meet, discuss the state of current policy and tech, and draft proposals for goals to meet.
The EPA is definitely bloated and people have been joking for decades about how their policies have been providing little real world benefit
>but muh clean air! Muh MPGs, muh global warming!
For the third time, tonsa $$$ wasted considering the real impact.

>>8760111

Not him, but I bet if you only counted the votes of people who's families have been in the US since 1960, Trump would have the overwhelming majority. It just shows that strategy of the Democrats to win elections is to import lots of immigrants and get them to vote for them. That is a sham of democracy, they are abusing the system.

>>8760136
>trump ran a campaign of fearmongering!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>8757304
Kill yourself sjw.
There's two kinds of people:successful ones and failures.
All is fair in love and war.

>>8760138
>a bunch of guys say maybe some illegal immigrants could have voted
>still no actual examples
you'd think that if LITERALLY MILLIONS of illegal immigrants had fraudulently voted for Clinton, at least ONE of them would have been caught, right?
you're saying that THREE MILLION Mexicans illegally voted in California, but not a single one was detected. I call bullshit.

>>8760157
>The founders foresaw the rise of cancerous urban areas
[citation fucking needed]
if this is the case, wouldn't it have been mentioned somewhere in the writings of at least one of them? you wouldn't be...making shit up, would you?
>Slavery Was not a serious issue in reality.
apportionment and how slaves were to be counted nearly scuppered the 1787 Constitutional Convention. the 3/5ths Compromise saved the negotiations. it wasn't about the moral issue of slavery, but how the lines of power would be drawn.
>muh war of northern aggression
this is your reminder that the first shots of the Civil War were fired by the damnable Confederates on Fort Sumter, land owned by the federal government of the United States, a fort which was taking no offensive action and was simply trying to receive a shipment of supplies.

File: pic.png (8KB, 310x120px) Image search: [Google]

8KB, 310x120px

>>8760138
>those links
kek'd

>>8754930
I'm guessing you have as good of a grasp of what the DOE does as Rick Perry

>>8760250
They weren't caught because California was literally allowing illegals to vote. Fuck, they were even ENCOURAGING them to vote. California didn't "catch" any of them voting fraudulently because that was their goal the whole time.

>>8760332
Oh thanks for the proof. Before this post, it was just a bunch of idiots making unsubstantiated claims. But now that I've heard about the illegal voters from a bunch of idiots AND an anonymous poster on 4chan, I'm convinced!

>>8760186
Once we get universal voter ID requirements, the dims will be finished. Millions of their voters will mysteriously vanish. Add in getting rid of automatic citizenship for anchor babies, and they'll never be a meaningful force in US politics again.

>>8760332
what would even be the point in claifornia doing that?
it's not like you get extra electoral votes for having more people vote

>>8760346
>Once we get universal voter ID requirements, the dims will be finished. Millions of their voters will mysteriously vanish
yeah, no shit
the harder you make it for blacks, hispanics and poors to vote, the less of them that will vote
wow, how surprising

>>8756107
>Why do people assume Trump is stupid?
Because he is and so are you for supporting him.

>>8760347
To give shillary the illusion of popular support. She was pretty much never going to win the popular vote legit, so if she won in the electoral college without the popular vote no one would accept her presidency. So they tried to cheat to give her both an electoral college win and a popular vote win. But they fucked up in the states that actually mattered and lost in the electoral college.

>>8760348
> implying voter ID is a hassle for legit voters
Liberals are always calling other people racists, yet they proudly proclaim that nogs are too stupid to just go to the fucking DMV and get a driver's license.

>>8760354
>there's a massive, large-scale conspiracy to rig the election but somehow these people capable of covering up 3 million fraudulent votes are incapable of rigging 10,000 votes in swing states
you are a retarded trump dicksucker

>>8760357
California is able to put together millions of illegal votes because the dims control every facet of the state government. But in places like Pennsylvania the state government isn't so dim infested that they let illegals vote, so the dims failed there.

File: 1488303750517.png (73KB, 454x453px) Image search: [Google]

73KB, 454x453px

>Obama appoints nobel-prize winning physicsts and pre-eminent scientists to head department of energy
>Trump appoints some guy who got a D in a class called 'meats'
wow trump really does want to fund science! wtf i love trump now!

if you dont agree you're a liberal cuck CTR traitor leftist marxist shill. Libs btfo! MAGA!!!

>>8760358
>dems can rig 3 million votes in one state but can't organize 15,000 votes in a democratic-controlled state like Michigan
you are beyond retarded, just end your life if you unrionically believe the /pol/ propaganda

>>8760361
> in a democratic-controlled state like Michigan
> Michigan
> democratic-controlled
Bzzt. Wrong. Michigan's governor is Rick Snyder, a republican.

>>8760362
again, just kill yourself

>>>/pol/

>>8760348
Literally no other civilized country in the world has a problem with requiring an ID to vote. Only the dims claim that it is somehow an evil racist plot to stop legal voters from voting. Everyone else recognizes that you need some way to stop illegals from voting or they will end up voting.

>>8760360
You don't need a scientist to head the DoE, they already have plenty of scientists. What you need is a manager, and Rick Perry is a perfectly good choice in that regard.

>>8760370
>A guy who got a D in a class called 'meats' is a good manager.

>>8760370
agreed!!! maga cucks btfo!!!!1 MAGA MAGA MAGA XDDDD POOPY DIAPER T


Me trump boy!
Me mommy vote hillary....
me daddy vote hillary....
but me? hee hee! not me!
Me vote trump :^)
Me alt right boy! me not follow normie rules... heh heh heh...
Me post pepe! smug pepe, trump pepe, all kind of pepe... funny frog scare hillary! hee hee!
Me /pol/ boy... post funny /pol/ memes like carl le cuck... silly cucky hillary boys don't know how fun it is to be alit right, hee hee hee hee hee heeee
Me auntie vote hillary... me uncie vote hillary....
But me, no, no, no! me............ vote................ trump!!!!
Hee hee hee!!
Fill out ballot when mommy and daddy not looking, walk to box... put ballot in box... another vote for big boy trump! yay!
Me trump boy... who else here trump boys??

>>8760374
As governor of Texas he was a very effective manager, as evidence by the fact that during his time in office Texas led the country in job growth.

>>8760379
>A guy who got a D in a class called 'meats' is a good manager.

>>8760360
>Nobel-prize meaning jack shit these days

Yeah, great prize Obama got just for beating McCain. What an accomplishment. Really helped push for world peace. Especially right before ordering drone strikes on "terrorists" (i.e. 1 target + dozens of civilians).

>>8760368

indeed, in my country ID is required to vote and there was never any issue with it

Democrat strategy is simple: if you cant convince them, displace them

>>8760348
If you can't be bothered to get an ID, you obviously don't care enough to be an informed voter. If voter ID blocks both illegals from voting at the cost of blocking the worst subhumans from voting, then that's a tradeoff that I'm perfectly fine with.

>>8760382
>he can't tell the difference between the peace prize and a prize for the natural sciences
brainlet why are you on this board?

>>8760386
Same committee hands them out, and it's a glorified pat on the head for being a good SJW in both cases.

>>8760390
>Same committee hands them out
That's demonstrably wrong, fuck off brainlet.

>>8760368
In other countries they aren't as asinine about what constitutes appropriate ID as they are in US states that require it. For example, in Canada a student ID is acceptable as one of your two forms of ID. In states in the US, it isn't.

Also, the US has the 24th Amendment, which prohibits denying someone the ability to vote due failure to pay a poll tax. If you require that the person purchase an ID in order to vote, which many states that require voter ID do, then you are making their right to vote contingent on paying what is basically a tax.

>>8760395
If you're not willing to put some of your own money down in order to vote, why the fuck should we care about your opinion? The only people who should count are people who have skin in the game. If all you're trying to do is freeload off the rest of us, I have zero sympathy for you. If you let people vote for free, all you'll get are throngs of unproductives voting for more free stuff.

>>8760403
>If you let people vote for free, all you'll get are throngs of unproductives voting for more free stuff.
t. the cuck who voted for trump because nobody would hire him for a factory job

>>8760403
make the cost to vote $1mil
republicans win every election for the rest of eternity
poors illegals and minorities BTFO

>>8760417
>>8760419
The US was founded on the idea of no taxation without representation. But the reverse is also important. If you don't pay taxes, why the fuck should you have representation?

>>8760424
it's just another trick by the republicans to prevent democrats from voting
they've done it before, like an impossible-to-pass literacy test that you didn't have to take if your ancestors could vote (grandfather clause)

>>8760424
I agree, anyone with a net worth less than 5 million shouldn't be allowed to vote. Otherwise, they don't have any skin in the game

>>8760432
> literacy test
> grandfather clause
Were laws created by DEMOCRATS to prevent blacks from voting back when they voted consistently republican. Now, the dims have decided that it's better to just buy nog votes with promises of welfare, keeping them as slaves to dependance on the government plantation instead of working on a cotton plantation.

>>8760439
I would also make an exception for those who have served in the military. If you've put your life on the line for your country, then you do have skin in the game, even if your net worth isn't very high.

>>8760442
>he doesn't know about the party realignment in the 1960s
you're dumb, don't post.

>>8760442
the people who would be "democrats" back then are now called "republicans"

>>8760445
nah fuck those retarded peasants, serving in the military is for poors and tards, only people who have had more than 5 million in their family for 2+ generations should be able to vote

>>8760447
> party realignment
Was made up by the dims in order to try to paint the republicans as the racists and themselves as the champion of the nogs, when in reality they still want to keep them enslaved, they've just changed the means.

>>8760457
>this fact proves me wrong, therefore it was made up
you're retarded, don't post

http://history.house.gov/Exhibitions-and-Publications/BAIC/Historical-Essays/Temporary-Farewell/Party-Realignment/

File: 1488983288189.png (665KB, 720x1225px) Image search: [Google]

665KB, 720x1225px

>expecting to see non-stop left wing buzzwords being repeated mindlessly
>see some of that
>see people who actually understand the topics
>see people who only get there politics from CNN getting BTFO by informed people

Not really expecting this. Not sure how to react.

>>8760473
>trump supporters are informed people
LOL

>>8760448
>Everything the democrats ever did is good
>Everything the republicans ever did is evil
>Even when its the democrat doing it, its actually the republicans doing it

Mental Gymnastics 101

>>8760476
Did I mention trump supporters anywhere in my post?

Guess you failed reading comprehension in elementary school.

The first part in recovering from defeat is understanding why you lost, and it's not because American's all suddenly turned into Nazis the second they pulled the lever for Obama.

>>8760477
see >>8760447

>>8760480
Just kill yourself you stupid Trumpcuck, nobody is convinced that you don't inhale Trump's balls at every opportunity

>>8760450
> serving in the military is for poors and tards
This is what liberals actually believe.

>>8760484
See the actual post.

By that same logic the current Republican party under Trump is the democrat party because most of policies are things Democrats have always wanted in the past.

>>8760374

>a community organizer is a good president

>>8760487
Not a liberal, I'm conservative as they come but I don't think poors and welfare queens (aka anyone in the military) should have a say.

File: 1488258328164.jpg (36KB, 480x481px) Image search: [Google]

36KB, 480x481px

>>8760485
>nobody is convinced that you don't inhale Trump's balls at every opportunity
Oh dam, you got me, I actually voted for Trump, even though I stayed home last election. You found me out. How did Hillary ever lose when all of her supporters are armed with such hard hitting arguments?

>>8760492
all my wut
you're dumb, don't post.

>>8760492
Right now democrats generally don't want massive tax cuts for the rich, removal of environmental protections, deregulation of the financial industry, and massive increases in defense spending at the cost of everything else. Yet those are Trump's policies.

>>8760498
>welfare queens (aka anyone in the military)
You don't seem to understand.
All of America is a welfare queen.
The military brass is the one bringing home the bacon. Its the men who command the army and enable the petro dollar that actually make your money worth anything at all.

>>8760507
>defending welfare queens
poor faggot detected

>>8760500
Go away Trumpcuck, do you really think you're fooling anyone?

>>8760501
>you're dumb, don't post.
Dam, can't compete with that argument. You win.

>>8760504
>Right now democrats generally don't want massive tax cuts for the rich
Both sides always do this. Both sides never say they are doing this.

>removal of environmental protections
1 deviation. But allow me to show you plenty of things that Trump does that democrats have always wanted and republicans hate.

>deregulation of the financial industry
Literally Bernies entire platform

>massive increases in defense spending at the cost of everything else
Obama did it, Bush did it, Clinton (bill) did it, everyone did it.

Trump's democratic potions:

>Supports universal health care (just wants to call it trumpcare)
>Destroyed TPP and anti-globalization
>Pro LGBT
>deregulation of the financial industry (say with an honest face that Republicans are anti-business)

File: 6154279+_718130aa8be273062e0dabc4b17a89ee[1].jpg (63KB, 800x800px) Image search: [Google]

63KB, 800x800px

>>8760519
>do you really think you're fooling anyone?
I'm just discussing politics. You are the one who seems to be having problems.

>>8760521
>Both sides always do this. Both sides never say they are doing this.
do you even live in america?
republicans always cut taxes for the rich and they are proud of it
I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about

>>8760522
>slurp slurp i love trump's balls in my mouth let me post one of the many trump meme images I have on my hard drive
>b-but I don't support Trump guise, believe me!

>>8760509
>poor faggot detected
Memes aside, tell me what joy being wealthy actually brings you.
Right now i'm living the rich N.E.E.T. life and i'm miserable. I have a degree, I could get a well paying job but I already have everything I want and giving up my free time for more money is just not worth it.

What am I doing wrong?

>>8760521
>Literally Bernies entire platform
You have no idea what you're talking about, I'm pretty sure Bernie's platform was the opposite actually.

You're so retarded that you're not even worth arguing with.

>>8760527
>What am I doing wrong?
You spend your free time on an anime imageboard shilling for a billionaire who doesn't give a fuck about you instead of improving yourself or enjoying life.

>>8760527
>and i'm miserable
you have everything you want and you're miserable?
you need to go to a psychologist

>>8760521
> deregulation of the financial industry
> Literally Bernies entire platform

> Trump's democratic potions:
> deregulation of the financial industry

The fuck are you talking about? Bernie wanted way MORE regulation of the financial industry, and democrats are the ones who passed Dodd-Frank, which Trump and the Republicans are getting rid of.

File: 1478650435488.jpg (9KB, 201x200px) Image search: [Google]

9KB, 201x200px

>>8760523
>I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about
>>8760526
>slurp slurp i love trump's balls in my mouth
>>8760528
>You're so retarded that you're not even worth arguing with.

And this is why Trump won.
I'm throwing you all so many soft balls, and instead of hitting them out of the park you throw down your bat and refuse to play.
You let the other side win by default.
It would be fucking hilarious if the democrats were not the only viable opposition party.

File: 1486320082045.png (3KB, 698x1284px) Image search: [Google]

3KB, 698x1284px

>>8760540
>This is why Trump won.

>>8760539
He literally has no idea what the fuck he's talking about. Typical Trumptard

>>8760533
>shilling for a billionaire
I'm really not. I'm just playing devils advocate to continue the conversation, but people are actually *autistic screeching* instead of arguing.

>instead of improving yourself
I already started getting /fit/. I learned how to code in C. I read the works of Plato, Cato, Epistulae morales ad Lucilium, a boat load of modern philosophy. I started my own business at one point. None of it is fulfilling.

>>8760288
Yea, all national labs work under the DOE, that's a huge hit..

>>8753339
All that cutting looks like it amounts to a small percent increase in spending those three departments. Seems like those three departments already get most of the money.

>>8760521
> Both sides always do this. Both sides never say they are doing this.
The actual big tax cuts for the rich were under Reagan and Bush Jr. while Obama let the Bush tax cuts expire. Trump's tax proposals have thus far all been big giveaways for the rich. It's not some sort of bipartisan thing, this is a distinctly republican thing.

> deregulation of the financial industry
> Literally Bernies entire platform
No it wasn't. In fact, it was the exact opposite of Sanders' platform. He favored a huge increase in regulation on the financial industry. Trump and the Republicans, however, both agree on removing that regulation. Regulations which were put in place by the democrats after the 2008 crash, by the way.

> massive increases in defense spending at the cost of everything else
> Obama did it, Bush did it, Clinton (bill) did it, everyone did it.
Not really. When democrats increase defense spending, it is pretty much always as a part of an over all spending increase. And even then, they have a distinct preference for domestic spending over military spending. The republicans, however, prefer the opposite. Like Reagan, Trump is cutting domestic spending in favor of military spending in standard republican fashion.

> Supports universal health care (just wants to call it trumpcare)
Trump has made noises about healthcare that are all internally contradictory and basically amount to promising that he can make everything perfect, without actually going into an detail on how or giving any reason to believe him.

Literally the only place he really breaks with the Republicans is on trade. And even then he doesn't agree with the democrats, since Trump has mainly been focusing his anger on places like Mexico and Germany, while the democrats generally oppose starting trade wars with our own allies.

File: with_explainer%2C_total_spending_pie_large[1].png (213KB, 680x670px) Image search: [Google]

213KB, 680x670px

>>8760558

Where are budget cuts supposed to be made? Social Security and Medicare both get way more funding than the military/DoD yet proposing any cuts to either of those causes massive REEEEing, so smaller departments get cuts instead.

Anyone 45 or under should support gutting Social Security and Medicare. Those are Ponzi schemes that boomers will suck dry and be bankrupt by the time we are old enough to collect after paying in our entire life. At least if we gut them now we can fuck over boomers for a change instead of letting them ride off into the sunset and leave us with their bill.

File: how trump won.png (41KB, 696x1772px) Image search: [Google]

41KB, 696x1772px

>>8760544
for you.

>>8760558
Trump's supporters think that things like foreign aid, the EPA, the state department, the department of energy, etc. are a bigger part of the budget than they actually are. At the same time, the talk among conservatives is about how the military is "depleted" and how we need to "rebuild the military" and "make the US a military power again." As if it wasn't already a military power now.

>>8760551
>all that shit that doesn't matter
just go out and crush pussy, dude

File: giphy[1].gif (2MB, 610x350px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 610x350px

>>8760562
Thank you. this anon gets it.
The only point i'm actually trying to make here is that this is how you need to refute stupid arguments. Not disengaging, not calling them retarded, actually proving why they are wrong. It sounds so simple but no one is actually doing it anymore.

>>8760571
he actually might be able to make this country pretty great if he took $500 billion dollars out of military spending and spent it on things like science and tech research, education, infrastructure, etc
but, nah, instead he's going to cut all those things to put an extra $54 billion into the military
like every other republican

>>8760568
> Where are budget cuts supposed to be made? Social Security and Medicare both get way more funding than the military/DoD yet proposing any cuts to either of those causes massive REEEEing, so smaller departments get cuts instead.
Social Security and Medicare aren't part of the discretionary budget. Spending levels on Social Security and Medicare are basically defined by statute, not by the budget. Aside from that, they're isolated from the rest of government spending by having a different funding source than the general fund that discretionary spending draws from.

Besides, they would be perfectly solvent with some changes that would be easier than outright abolishing them. Allowing medicare to bargain in a less restricted manner would be easier than getting rid of it, and it would bring the cost down immensely. Similarly, removing the cap on income taxed for the purposes of social security would resolve its solvency issues.

Claiming that they're Ponzi schemes that should be eliminated ignores the reality that both are very popular systems that can be fixed more easily than they can be removed.

>>8760572
Next to no sex drive. When I was younger sure i was horny as a rabbit but now its just so meh.

>>8760544
>>8760550
When they say /sci/ is the most cucked board they really aren't lying.

>>8760575
I'm that anon. You are also a retard. Stop acting like you're doing anyone a service. You're not.

File: bullshit.jpg (22KB, 576x356px) Image search: [Google]

22KB, 576x356px

>>8760575
>It sounds so simple but no one is actually doing it anymore.

Because of pic related.

There is no point in arguing with delusional Trump cult members, because they won't change their mind in the face of any evidence even if you do refute their bullshit.

More entertaining and satisfying to just call them retards and be done with it.

>>8760576

>the military/warfare doesn't drive technological progress

>>8760577

I think Medicare can be fixed but I don't see how Social Security can be fixed. It relies on infinite growth to remain solvent, which isn't feasible. People are living longer and having fewer kids which puts more strain on the system. inb4 "this is why we need tens of millions of immigrants" memeing because that isn't a fix. We don't have enough people earning over $118K to save it just by removing the cap.

>>8760576
>he actually might be able to make this country pretty great if he took $500 billion dollars out of military spending and spent it on things like science and tech research, education, infrastructure, etc
I would really like to have someone explain this.
>spent it on things like science
Everyone says this, like you just throw money at science, and more money comes back. What kind of science? The science kind of science.
>tech research
Research for what? The private sector is already dominating this. We have VR now, AI is on the way. The big problem is actually implementing what we already have.

>education
Dump more money in the already failing system.

>infrastructure
Hes doing that.

>he's going to cut all those things to put an extra $54 billion into the military
Because the military actually makes money.
The military lets us world police and keeps the petro dollar system in place.

>>8760575
> Not disengaging, not calling them retarded, actually proving why they are wrong. It sounds so simple but no one is actually doing it anymore.
You're wrong. People have been doing that. Trump's supporters simply don't listen. Take for example when Trump claimed that he had opposed the Iraq war from the start. Not actually true, as his actual statements during the lead up to the Iraq war expressed support for the invasion. But whenever this was pointed out, his supporters dismissed it as liberal media lies.

Or take this for example:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/who-to-trust-when-it-comes-to-health-care-reform-trump-supporters-put-their-faith-in-him/2017/03/16/1c702d58-0a64-11e7-93dc-00f9bdd74ed1_story.html

> Soon after Charla McComic’s son lost his job, his health-insurance premium dropped from $567 per month to just $88, a “blessing from God” that she believes was made possible by President Trump.

> “I think it was just because of the tax credit,” said McComic, 52, a former first-grade teacher who traveled to Trump’s Wednesday night rally in Nashville from Lexington, Tenn., with her daughter, mother, aunt and cousin.

> The price change was actually thanks to a subsidy made possible by former president Barack Obama’s Affordable Care Act, which is still in place, not by the tax credits proposed by Republicans as part of the health-care bill still being considered by Congress.

Trump's supporters are immune to facts. That's why people here don't bother engaging with you. There's no point.

>>8760584
>There is no point in arguing with delusional Trump cult members, because they won't change their mind in the face of any evidence even if you do refute their bullshit.
Many trump voters were Obama voters. This mentality is cancer.

>More entertaining and satisfying to just call them retards and be done with it.
I know. Most of you have just become the party that calls everyone retards when anyone disagrees with you. You have become the Republicans.

>>8760587
>What kind of science?
I don't really care
he's cutting all science, so just pick a few fields to fund and I'll take it at this point

>Hes doing that.
no, he wants to do it (or at least, he claims to want to do it) and he made promises to do it
but he wont do it
the house and senate which are both republican controlled will block it

File: CherryPicker_1.jpg2b096b19-f360-4bcd-b210-cfb2a695f021Original[1].jpg (329KB, 2048x2048px) Image search: [Google]

329KB, 2048x2048px

>>8760592

>>8760595
Fuck off you retarded Trumpcuck, go slurp a billionaire's balls elsewhere.

>>8760585
> I don't see how Social Security can be fixed. It relies on infinite growth to remain solvent, which isn't feasible.
No it doesn't. If you remove the cap on taxable income for social security, it simply become reliant on the fact that people generally aren't going to live as long in retirement as they spent in the labor force. If you tax all income, then you're going to be taxing some very rich people who are simply not going to be able to live long enough to draw all of that back in benefits after retirement. That provides you with a good bit of pad to cover everyone else.

>>8760599
It's not anything unique to one person. Trump's supporters generally don't trust the mainstream media. They're not exactly shy about admitting that. So when the media points out that something that Trump says isn't true, his supporters simply assume the media is lying.

>>8760595
> Many trump voters were Obama voters.
They were Obama voters because the republicans had so dramatically blown up the economy that even they were able to notice that the republicans weren't serving them well. However in the intervening years, the right has gotten much better about managing what people are able to perceive. Now, if someone like Trump says something blatantly untrue, it doesn't matter because his supporters are only listening to sources that won't question it.

>>8760587
>>We have VR now
>a cardboard box over your eyes with a phone inside it so you can play flappy bird in first person is VR
lol'd

File: coverage.jpg (584KB, 1355x1600px) Image search: [Google]

584KB, 1355x1600px

>>8760601

Yes it does. If the population shrunk, there would be a massive Social Security crisis in a couple generations.

>>8760605

Because the media is deceptive and untrustworthy. They have been printing bullshit hit pieces like pic related about Trump every day for over a year now.

>>8760610
>Because the media is deceptive and untrustworthy.
kek, good job on proving his point

Go shill for your orange icon elsewhere you fucking bootlicking cuck

>>8760610
> Yes it does. If the population shrunk, there would be a massive Social Security crisis in a couple generations.
Not if you removed the cap on taxable income for the social security fund. Then you'd be able to take population decline because the wealthiest are going to net contribute a lot without being able to live long enough to pull it all out, leaving a surplus to counteract the reduction in total numbers of contributors.

File: 1480234219057.jpg (959KB, 2419x3226px) Image search: [Google]

959KB, 2419x3226px

>>8760592
>Take for example when Trump claimed that he had opposed the Iraq war from the start. Not actually true, as his actual statements during the lead up to the Iraq war expressed support for the invasion.
Here is the thing. And I really need you to follow me on this.

Nobody cares about this.

Trump supporters have accepted that Trump lies about non-important stuff to make himself look good. Nobody actually cares if Trump as a non-politician supported or was opposed to the war. It's completely pointless. The same way Hillary supporters do not care about her email server or all the bribes she takes.

It's not relevant to the supporters life or what they want from the candidate.
Nobody wants to hear about the weather during trumps inauguration or if hillery actually ducked out of the way of sniper fire on some diplomatic mission. It's bullshit.

Now having talking on and on about all this trivial pointless crap when you actually go to argue something important like how Trumps policies actually effect the nation, they think "here comes more trivial political garbage".

That's why you can't reach trump supporters.

File: bias.png (1009KB, 1524x2649px) Image search: [Google]

1009KB, 1524x2649px

>>8760613

>media is good boys they dindu nuffin

>>8760610
> Because the media is deceptive and untrustworthy.
Yet when Trump says something like "The murder rate is the highest it's been in 47 years" his supporters believe him because they think he's sincere and trustworthy. When anyone tries to point out that it's not true, they are dismissed as deceptive and untrustworthy for "printing bullshit hit pieces."

>>8760623
>Trump is my orange daddy and can do no wrong
Cuck

>>8760610
>trump says some people are not strong and can't handle it
>media reports on it
>trump calls it fake news
>trumptards call it fake news
>you post this image
>I point out that it's not fake news
>you ignore me and continue to post the image in future threads

>>8760622
> Trump supporters have accepted that Trump lies about non-important stuff to make himself look good.
He also lies about very important things, like the idea that the US is in the midst of a massive crime wave higher than anything seen in 40 years. He says this to justify policy changes, yet they're simply not true and it's a bad idea to base your policies on lies. Yet Trump's supporters believe him, so they believe the stuff he's proposing is good because they buy into the underlying lie.

File: politifact.png (786KB, 1675x2205px) Image search: [Google]

786KB, 1675x2205px

>>8760625

I don't disagree, but the media created this environment. If every major outlet didn't openly cheer for Hillary, maybe Trump supporters wouldn't be so skeptical of them. If they didn't constantly push their spin instead of report the news, people would trust them more. They have no one but themselves to blame for people not trusting them.

>>8760631
> the media created this environment.

> If every major outlet didn't openly cheer for Hillary
Fox News is the single most popular source of news in the US, and they sure as hell weren't cheering for Clinton. The idea that the news media is this monolithic thing that favors liberals is a conservative fantasy that ignores how widespread and prominent conservative news sources are.