in this thread we discuss The Fermi paradox

it's great a thing because it makes atheishits cry, dashes their dreams of ayy lmaos.
but i can't imagine how you can make the conversation into something political.
and for that reason, i'm out. sage

>>8745693
Extraterrestrials probably respect evolution. At some point (not yet), we will prove ourselves a capable species by creating the means to contact them ourselves.

>>8745693
>The Fermi paradox
wut?
explain.
short.

>>8745693
>>>/his/
>>>/sci/
philosophy or science, not politics

There is intelligent extraterrestrial life out there, we'll just never see it, billionaires much prefer enslaving the rest of humanity for bullshit resource wars, when there is literally unlimited resources out in the universe.

There is no paradox. Space is really fucking big.

>>116489461
Frogs see one frame per 5 seconds, or something like that, because they are focused on sucking up as much light as possible to see in dark places

>>8745696
The basic points of the argument, made by physicists Enrico Fermi (1901–1954) and Michael H. Hart (born 1932), are:
There are billions of stars in the galaxy that are similar to the Sun, many of which are billions of years older than Earth.
With high probability, some of these stars will have Earth-like planets,[6][7] and if the Earth is typical, some might develop intelligent life.
Some of these civilizations might develop interstellar travel, a step the Earth is investigating now.
Even at the slow pace of currently envisioned interstellar travel, the Milky Way galaxy could be completely traversed in a few million years.
According to this line of reasoning, the Earth should have already been visited by extraterrestrial aliens.
Use google next time comrade. It's not that hard

>>8745697
how exactly exopolitics is not politics ? pls explain that shit to me i seem to be dumb.

>>8745697
fuck off AIDF

>>8745693
The entire argument relies on the assumption that earth has never been visited by outside life during it's billions of years in existence. The entire paradox is held up by a claim that can't be proven. It's basically the most famous "dude weed lmao" theory of the universe.

>>8745702
The thread never said anything about space governance or colonization, it's purely about the discussion of the Fermi Paradox, which itself has nothing to do with politics.

>>8745702
Careful with those big words

>>8745693
>implying space is real

Step 1) Buy decent telescope
Step 2) Look at "planets" and "stars"
Step 3) Mind blown

>>8745705
well the answer could be that we are under political quarantine....

dunno ive seen the treads about ayys 404'd on this site so many times. And i dont think there is bigger red pill than to possibly put shit into bigger context.

>>8745701
yep, i googled before you answered.
my answer:
they were here and i am pretty sure they are still here.

>>8745701
Thats just probability though
Somebody has to come first, maybe its us

>>8745699
This, plus we probably have the life span of fruit flies compared to more advanced civilizations. A thousand years is probably nothing to them.

>>8745701
this is with the premise those civilizations even consider us contact-wort. If they really evolved millions of years before us they might consider us mere ants. Would you try to contact an ant civilization?

When economic stresses become to much and the have nukes..... few pass the test. If they do, they get tested again and again until they fail. Might explain those random unexplained bursts.

Is she an attractive non-blood related aunt?

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>>8745713
>Would you try to contact an ant civilization?
I definitely would if we could communicate.
Impressive digits Hans.

>>8745700
And they see 360 degrees...

>>8745716
But what could the ant civilization possibly offer you in return if you had to expend tremendous resources, time and effort to meet them?

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Like Marduk man;
He could speak the languages of darkness and light an perceive every peripheral guise of reality.

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>>8745713
Or the government already knows about ayy lmaos

>>8745710
That's a frightening thought in itself, though - meaning that there aren't any species out there that have mastered interstellar travel. Considering that Earth is rather young, it sort of implies that there might be something inherent in the technological advancement of species that prevents said species to become space faring.

Fermi's paradox (not really a paradox) is a bit of a mental circlejerk, but the implications are very interesting to think about - because every answer to the question 'where is everybody?' is frightening in a way..

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>>8745695
We must become the spaceships of the time cube and meet the aliens

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Aliums exist and they have been here already many times.
I think they tried to uplift us but halfway into it abandoned it because of fucking jews.
Now they just visit from time to time to check up how far we got technology wise, should we ever reach a state that could be dangerous to them they will fucking nuke us from orbit with a FTL projectile as big as a turd.

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The sky is full of dying or dead light,.

>>8745722
Fat bottomoned girls you make the rocking world go round

>>8745721
Interstellar travel might just take generations and generations of people to do. We are very short-sighted in our view of time and space as individuals. If we can master stasis, or perhaps conquer the telomere (and brain degeneration), then it will be no big thing to get in a ship on a 50,000 year journey.

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It's the freaking Lizards lads.

>>8745723
How would they live this long? Takes forever to travel places in space. Alien says hello, travels and dies, sends kids to come back, say hello, travels back and dies

>>8745724
>>116492666
True tbqh

>>116492961
True.

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>>8745693

It seems that the Bottleneck for our species is pretty complicated:

- psychospiritual crisis (identity politics, mental health decline, rising number of suicides, quality of life discontinuity, oppressive supra-elite democracies, loss of gnosis, anhedonia and porosis epidemic, teleological chaos, abrahamic henotheism)

- technosocial collapse (decrease in complexity, sixth extinction, unchecked transhumanism, diseconomies of scale effect, energy returned on energy invested, positive feedback loops, corporate catabolics)

- nano-bio-info-cogno complex (synthetic nature, technological singularity, runaway civilization, neurosomatic exaptation, silent war)

>>8745693
>it's physically impossible to traverse long distances and 4D portals are impossible
>we are the first civilization and/or intelligent species in the galaxy
>ayys have higher-dimensional time traveling abilities and were able to see that we would never amount to anything or would kill each other off

The German pepe poster talking about "fucking Jews" - so cliche.

>>8745730
trhue

>>8745728
you think they use primitive technology for that? nigga you dumb, these aliums are super advanced, they use tech that blows your fucking mind.

>>8745726
I'd say that's not really a good argument. Fermi's argument sort of includes this. Taking into account exponential population growth, even with a slow propagation between habitable planets, after a few hundred million years, (large) parts of the galaxy could be colonised if needed.

>>8745733
Halt dein dreckmaul inseljude.
du scheißhaufen.

>>8745695
>tfw contact them ourselves
>tfw they know it's us and they pretend they aren't home

;_;

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>>8745693
Proof of extraterrestrials or possibly god or other higher creator:

12742
Earth diameter km
3474
Moon diameter km

R = 1
Asquare = 4
Acircle = 3.1416
4-3.1416 = 0.8584
0.8584/3.1416 = 0.273
3474/12742 = 0.273

The moon takes 27.3 days to get around Earth too.

Look at the drawing to the left. It is a circle inscribed inside a square. The Earth and the Moon conform absolutely to this simplest of geometrical figures. Let us imagine that the green circle represents the Earth. If this was the case, then everything in the drawing that is not green and is shown in red, would represent the Moon.

The drawing is an expression of a mathematical fact. It represents the relationship between π (Pi) and the number 4. The symbol π appears time and again in mathematics and it has fascinated people for at least 6,000 years. π defines the relationship of the diameter of a circle to its circumference. The true definition of π cannot be discovered because it appears to go on forever. However, if we round it off at the fourth decimal point we could say that π is 3.1416. This is exactly what the builders of the Moon did – they considered π to be equal to 3.1416 – which is yet another way we know that the Moon cannot be a natural object.

The relationship of π and the number 4 throws up a number of ratios.
π + 0.366 of π = 4.

We could also express this as 27.322% of π added to π would equal 4.

The relationship of the Earth and the Moon throws up the same ratios.
Earth’s polar circumference, plus 0.366 of Earth’s polar circumference equals Earth and Moon size combined. As a result it would also be correct to say that the Moon is equal to 27.322% of the size of the polar Earth.

Spare me the skeptical le science rationalizations. This shit could not happen by chance.

Oh, and also the moon is 1/400th the size of the sun....and 1/400th the distance from earth, which just so happens to allow perfect solar eclipses.

>>8745732

Or allowed us the chance to thrive or die, as is the natural law.

>>8745736
Check out Frank Tipler's Physics of Immortality. He thinks he has proved that sentient life will eventually fill the entire universe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_J._Tipler#The_Omega_Point_cosmology
The theory is called the Final Anthropic Principle
FAP
>FAP

>>8745693
God didn't make any aliens.

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>we are a small pocket of orderliness within an incomprehensibly vast sea of chaos and disorder
>our existence is a fluke, and a fleeting one at that

pretty blackpilling to think about 2bh

>>8745710
We're first
We're rare
We're fucked

It's one of those three

>>8745693
There is no real paradox.

Civilizations are separated by time and distance.
A civilization that arose 10 million years ago would be incomprehensible to us and we wouldn't be able to talk to it.
If they survive then probably they eventually abandon physical bodies and embed themselves into the fabric of multiverse.
But we have some positive detections of possible Dyson Spheres so the paradox isn't really going to last long.

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>>8745693

They are all pointing at us and laughing.

Also they are actually most probably all out of our Local Group so we will never ever be able to contact them (and vice versa) in any way and we might only get to see their past before they even became sentient or their planet actually formed, even though they are millions of years ahead of us.

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>>8745693
AYYY WE WUZ SPACE MEANS N SHIT FHOAT RIDE DA SHIP. WE WUZZ

There's an alien version of /pol/ doing its own trolling right now as we type!

>>8745744
Well the nice thing is that there is no "end of the universe" like wikipedia theories would tell you. No heat death, no crunch, no rip, no freeze. As soon as we find out what dark matter really is, it will open up so many doors.

>>8745693
What happens to every intelligent species. The best subgroup becomes enormously successful with the widespread use of empathetic religion going so far as to begin spaceflight, and then the idiots and mongrel subgroups use that empathy against them to seize minority power until the successful group becomes extinct and the planet is occupied by a bunch of bix nood mouth breathing scum.

>>8745693
If a logical conundrum is inherently presented with multiple logical solutions, can it really be called a paradox?

>>8745750
This is possible too. The way the world looks like it's going, niggers will be the only humans left in a thousand years. But then again the ooga boogas could migrate to Europe and become white people again (after 100k+ years).

When the Canadians are pissed off...

The end is near.

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>>8745701
http://home.fnal.gov/~carrigan/infrared_astronomy/Fermilab_search.htm#Results

Using the Low Resolution Spectrometer yielded 17 ambiguous candidates of which four were slightly amusing but still ambiguous and questionable. The largest one sun bolometric distance in the 17 source sample was 118 pc. The 11000 source Calgary sample extended down to 1-2 Jy which would have given a maximum bolometric distance of 300 pc for LRS sources. This region includes something like a million stars.

>>8745699
Of course this isn't a paradox! We emit radiowave since a tiny century, after a millenia I don't argue but this is way too short.

>1 post by this id
>brainlets helping shills slide a topic that should be on /sci/
>disgustedpepe.jpg

>>8745754
Aitoff plot for IRAS -blue dots several thousand selected sources for investigation. Red - 17 ambiguous Dyson sphere "candidates". Green lines show Arecibo SETI region

>>8745725
under-appreciated and under-rated

>>8745756
who cares if we actualy have discussion here. lol being shill does not mean u can accidentally start a good topic

>>8745694
No, we are just the first civilisation to reach such a level as to ask ourselves such questions.

There is probably some kind of galactic extinction event that takes place every now and then that eradicates civilisations, which is why there aren't any around in our immediate neighbourhood, i.e. galaxy.
We are probably just lucky that it didn't hit us, yet.

>>8745705

Significant social and technical parts of the Fermi Paradox are influenced by political climates.

>>8745693
A number of searches for Dyson Spheres have been made in the past. A few candidates have been identified but discounted for various reasons.

For below the fold items click links for Slysh, Others, Fermilab

Sagan and Walker carried out an early analysis of the possibility of detecting a Dyson Sphere. They showed that a search out to 1000 pc was feasible even with sixties technology but that the possible confusion with natural signatures could require searches for other artifacts of intelligence such as radio signals associated with a candidate source.

Jugaku and colleagues have carried out a series of searches for partial Dyson Spheres. Typically they used the 2.2 μm K band as an indicator of the photospheric radiation of a star hosting a partial Dyson Sphere and then looked for an infrared excess in the IRAS infrared satellite 12 μm band. A 1 magnitude difference would arise if the Dyson Sphere covered 1% of the host star. The measured differences were characteristically less than 0.3 magnitude which is consistent with measurement errors. They selected a set of 1774 stars from the Woolley catalog nearer than 25 pc and found 458 with matches in the 12 μm IRAS band. They looked at 384 of these stars for infrared excesses. With the exception of a few cases discussed in their 1990 article they found no sources with excesses suggestive of a partial Dyson Sphere covering as much as 1% of the host star.

>>8745693
Slysh and Timofeev at al. have the IRAS database for a different approach. Slysh investigated the flux at the maximum of a Dyson Sphere spectrum. He estimated that all Dyson Spheres with temperatures from 50 to 400 �K within 1 kpc of the sun should have been detected. The Timoreev search looked at a population of IRAS sources in the 110-120 and 280-290�K temperature range as established by Kardashev and others and did Planck blackbody fits to the four IRAS bands. They fitted by minimizing to a Planck distribution. (Note that no Planck spectrum correction is made on the four measured fluxes from the filters.) Sylsh identified one possible Dyson Sphere candidate, G357.3-1.3. The Timofeev at al. search identified 10 or so candidates but ruled out most of them, often on the basis of associations.

>>8745693
More recently several other searches have been conducted for partial Dyson Spheres. Globus, Backman, and Witteborn have searched by looking for a temperature/luminosity anomaly due to the fact that the luminosity of a star surrounded by a partial Dyson sphere would be lowered compared to a naked star of the same temperature. Conroy and Werthimer have searched by constraining the Jugaku infrared excess technique to older stars using a list of 1000 nearby older stars compiled by Wright and Marcy. Using older stars eliminates thick dust clouds around young stars. They also correlate with the rich K band near-infrared ground based data from 2MASS. They have found 33 candidates in the 12 μm IRAS band with 3 σ excesses from the mean.

>>8745751
The paradox is between the apparent high mathematical probability of alien life and the actual lack of evidence for it.

>>8745760
Gamma ray bursts. Those things are a bitch.

>>8745765
>The paradox is between the apparent high mathematical probability of alien life and the actual lack of evidence for it.
See above, we already have possible candidates for Dyson Spheres.
Space is vast and infinite, as well as ancient.
There could be whole cities on Triton in our Solar System and we wouldn't even know.

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>>8745746
let em laugh huebro

>>8745767
It's still a paradox. Every star out there is a 'possible Dyson sphere' until we look at it to eliminate the possibility. The universe should literally be CRAWLING with life but it's dead silent.

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>>8745695
This just in
>ancient Egyptian frog God of chaos gives answer on how we can contact ayylmaos

>>8745768
So quite literally the bible is true, word for word.

>>8745769
wait. why? your digits confirm, but why?

>>8745771
Help me understand your intriguing interpretation pham
Elaborate

>>8745721

They are hiding or ftl travel is not possible.

>>8745774
Fermi's paradox doesn't involve FTL travel.

Just FYI, Fermi was an accomplished physicist who helped shape modern physics, he knew about special relativity and the upper speed limit.

>>8745693
I honestly believe the 3rd reich was the great filter. And we failed, so we are all just waiting for the upcoming extinction now.

>>8745773
the Bible tells the story of the 'designer' who is outside our reality but responsible for it, creating the universe and humans to be in communion with him, but then humans disobeyed god and became totally depraved and evil from being separated from the force of love and life. One of the designers helpers thought he could become the designer but the consequence was becoming pure evil. He now influences man to disobey the designer and man seeks ever increasing ways to rule over the design.

>>8745766
>Gamma ray bursts. Those things are a bitch.

One candidate. It could also be self-inflicted.
At some point civilizations develop very destructive technology and use it recklessly.

>>8745693
One of the most probable encounters with an alien civilization would be with an AI/robotic Von Neumann probes conquering the galaxy exponentially via sub-light travel speeds

Postulating that the galaxy has, or has had other evolved civilizations:
>there are no intelligent and/or evolved civilizations capable of constructing them
>civilizations capable of constructing such probes exist, but we're still out of range
>FTL is possible, thus there is no need for V.N. probes

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>>/trash/

I've always thought there are too many unknowns and variables to make the Fermi Paradox worth thinking about.

We live in a simulation and are the only intelligent race in the simulation.

>>8745693

It's a fucking awful meme based on nothing but concentrated fedora tipping that somehow became accepted.

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>>8745777

>mfw

So when do we overthrow god?

Maybe the Dark Matter we see affecting gravity is just intergalactic civilization, cloaked?

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>>8745695
This is unironically plausible

If you were in charge of a vast interstellar empire would you spend time and money contacting some planetbound savages?
If ayys were to visit Earth humans would just collectively gawk at their ships and go GIBS ME DAT
But a race that has figured out how to traverse the stars? You would at least want to tell them to keep off your property lest they go and crash into your shit out of pure retardation.

>>8745693

Its taken 4 billion years to get to our point of advance civilisation

Weve been able to transmit electromagnetic signals for 120 years and nearly sent ourselfs to the stone age twice already.

In short.. advance civilisations are too rare and are not around for very long

>>8745787
>Its taken 4 billion years to get to our point of advance civilisation

The universe is, what, 13 to 14 billion years old?

>>8745788
Life most likely can only form on planets around generation 3 stars, like our sun, earlier ones were too big, too hot and too short lived. Earth belong to the first generation of planets were evolution of life was possible. Exceptions are red dwarves, much longer living, dimmer and smaller stars, but they got massive radiation outbursts, especially when they are young and need to calm down over billions of years.

>>8745788

The earth is about 4-6bn years old so a fair while

There are other things to consider:
Have we already been visited?
Are we the consequence of having been visited?
How many of those other civilisations are 'stuck' at sending a few people to their respective satellite (moon) and a few drones to the closest planet? Travelling to other solar systems and galaxies is a whole different fucking game. There are still plenty of issues we have to resolve until we can do that and I say 'stuck' because space travel is still really fucking new for us considering the big picture.
Maybe we're really fucking lucky and a lot of other civilisations take longer to improve. Maybe some of them take a five times longer to leave their respective bronze age.

There's too many variables and we don't have nearly enough info to even start being able to take apart Fermi's paradox.

>>8745789

Certianly to short lived. Also 1st gen stars didnt produce alot of heavy elements when they go supernova.

You need things like iron to make rocky planets in the habitable zones

>>8745693
Add the jews to the possible reasons there are no higher civilizations visible on the galaxy.

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>>8745786
delet this image

>>8745778
I see the paradox spit into two camps.

1) They're out there and we just can't detected them because:
>we're listening for the wrong shit
>we're in some galactic zoo and they're hiding from us
>etc etc millions of times over of different explanations

2) There are no advanced civilizations out there because:
>it's the nature of civilization to destroy itself
>we're a crazy one in a trillion fluke of nature
>life inevitably hits some barrier that prevents them from advancing to that level
>etc etc forever

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>>8745701
The real redpill is that we are the extraterrestrial colonizers of this planet

Mythology and religious stories are based around us being visited by people from our home planet. We've just forgotten our roots

>>8745796
You're almost correct. They're actually time-travelling humans from our distant future that appear at critical moments in history to ensure that certain events go as planned.

>>8745693
>>8745701
>muh Fermi paradox
it's literally retard logic applied to a meme equation, it's meaningless

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I think the Great Filter might be cultural. Its not enough for a species to be intelligent and tool-using, it also needs to have a culture allowing a highly technological civilisation.

I envision a universe filled with intelligent, tool using aliens, that never go above simple tribalism and the most basic technology, simply because a truly technological civilisation is even more unlikely than the leap from single to multi-cellular life.

Here on Earth, only Whites developed this culture, and even then it took us a couple tries. Rome, for example, was highly sophisticated, with a great standard of living for the time, but in all its centuries never made use of the steam engine- even though Romans knew its principle, and even made some prototypes! The Chinese stumbled upon gunpowder, yet in all the centuries they sent firecrackers into the sky, they never imagined strapping a man on the tip and sending him to the moon.

Thats why its so important for the West to be saved. Because we've used up almost all easily accessible resources on Earth, a new technical civilisation won't even have a chance to arise, even if by happenstance or good luck a cultural mores arises that would allow for it.

This is it, gentlemen. We either reach for the stars, or we go back to wood and stone and grubbing in the dust.

>>8745797
Would it just so happen that they're of Jewish descent too?

>>8745796
Why do you spoiler Homeworld?

>>8745801
Dont know what that is

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>>8745795
Embrace the third one lad

>>8745800
No, but the people who run the program are.

There is no paradox.

People seriously underappreciate the vastness of the universe.

Let me give you a small example:

Within the Milky Way Galaxy, alone, there's an estimated 200+ BILLION stars -- in just this galaxy.

Now, how long would it take you to even count to a 1 billion -- if every number took you one second to recite? It would take you over 30 years just to COUNT to a billion.

The universe is incomprehensibly-vast and to think that we should expect or expected other life to come into contact with us is just nonsense.

Like I said: it's too vast for comprehension; life could be out there -- and likely is, just due to the size -- but there's nothing paradoxical about aliums not having visited us or finding other life BECAUSE IT'S SO FUCKING VAST AND NUMEROUS.

>>8745728
LOL!

Hypercube leaf. There is no "Time"!

>>8745728
>>8745735

They use biological chambers to shut down their aging. Its a sort of cryogenic process but not quite. They stay unconscious for the whole trip and AI technology drives the ship.

t. Bogdanoffs summer house is across the street, Im in contact with them when they are over.

Fuck off and take your Facebook news with you kike

>>8745693
AYY NO LMAOS

>>8745799
Agreed. Even Carl Sagan said that there may be only a narrow window when our civilization can become a truly space-faring one.
And if we miss this chance, it may be lost forever.

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>>8745807
>t. Bogdanoffs summer house is across the street, Im in contact with them when they are over.

>>8745811
Take you /x/ shit to where it belongs tumblrkike

>>8745799
Steam engines of worthwhile efficiency weren't really possible until accurate metal working, steel refinery and rivets. I guess the Romans could have managed those huge, slow fixed-site beam ones used to pump out mines before better ones became available, but they had slaves and less need for deep mining.

>>8745812
No

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>>8745693
there is nothing to discuss

feel free to ask me questions, I can answer them all

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>>8745815
Will TayTay ever become my gf?

>>8745811
Kys

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>>8745805
You don't account for compound interest, or the timescales involved, famalama. It wouldn't take much in the way of colonization effort, or indeed technology very far above what we have right now, to completely cover the galaxy in a couple million years, starting from a single point.

Ya'll niggers are missing the point. If the aliums were among the stars, they'd BE HERE. And we'd be visited by a relativistic bomb before we ever got out of the scum pond. Basic game theory.

>>8745816
no

>>8745693
There is strong evidence aliens have already been here, we are the product of alien breeding. There is so much evidence of it they made a whole series on it called ancient aliens. Anything advanced enough to make it here would be advanced enough to hide from us if it wanted to.

Aside from that there is a possibility they have not found us yet. This is good for us as again, anything advanced enough to come here would so utterly dwarf us technologically as to make us entirely helpless and at their whim.

>>8745693
There's a reason it's called the "for me" paradox. It's all ours. All of it. Now, go out and claim it.

>>8745693
What if the ayys are controlling the digits, and instead of kek, we are bowing to ayy jews

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>>8745810
(((Carl Sagan)))

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>>8745815
Not gonna lie: I saw a merchant in the center.

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>>8745819
W-why not?

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People don't realize how rare multicellular life is. Life developed relatively quickly after conditions were sufficient enough to support it, but for literally half of the history of life on Earth we were just simple single celled for over 2 billion years until some unknown random event catapulted us into the realm of the eukaryote. If it takes 2 billion years with consistently sufficient environmental conditions to support simple life for complex life to develop, I'm not surprised we can't see aliens through a backyard telescope.

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>>8745824
maybe it was the flag that helped you

>>8745825
because she does not even know that you exist and even if would not be interested in you

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>>8745826
>we were just simple single celled
>we
Finally I understand the life of the burger!

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>>8745813
Slaves, precisely. There is one cultural reason for a technological civilisation to stagnate, fail, or just never develop. No society using slaves has ever progressed very far. Even indentured servitude stifles innovation. The American South never industrialised for exactly that reason.

You need widespread emancipation to drive innovation. And yet, slavery is endemic in human societies, because its both easy and profitable. In Earth's history, we rejected it exactly once, at least at a meaningful scale. What reason there is for aliens to be different in this respect?

>>8745695
all it takes is 1 drunk at the end of his wits alien to just fuck all that shit up and send us a shitpost or crank call from space

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>>8745827
I'm her biggest fan though....

>>8745695
we would need to change our physics to a more truthful theory and for that we would first need to change society.

in 4 the screencap

>>8745830
Yeah, no shit, that call saved Europe.

>>8745805
Distance in space is only one problem. The bigger one is distance in time. Advanced civilizations could evolve and die out in the blink of an eye on cosmic time scales and never overlap with any others during the same time period. On Earth alone life has evolved from near complete destruction five or six different times and only one of those times produced intelligent life that we know about. That is 4 billion years of planetary development producing a mere 4000 years or so of semi-advance civilization.

>>8745693
No paradox

Once we can listen to undiscovered things that move faster than light we'll find people. Consider how bad light is for communication across galactic distances.

>>8745832
Unfortunately our current physicists are incapable of reaching this truthful theory because it is not testable, thus outside the sphere of empiricism. It is only testable through logic and reason. It will require mostly philosophy.

>>8745831
that is irrelevant. if you were serious about her you would try everything to step up your game, get in touch with her and build up from there

but because you are not serious about it you will not

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>>8745826
To add onto this fact, I also don't think we will ever find a way to safely and consistently travel to a specific place in the universe faster than light. Not to say it's impossible, but I don't think there would be a consistent way to control where you go, and it would take literally gorillians of energies to use. Which is to say it wouldn't be practical enough to use because the ammount of energy it would take to move something of substantial mass through the fabric space time would be colossal, even for a highly advanced civilization that could harness the power of stars. It literally wouldn't be practical in any situation.

>>8745834
:O WTF mymindisfullofbillionsoffuck.jpg

>>8745705
> Fermi Paradox
> nothing to do with politics

Nigga the Fermi paradox implies that *something* prevents interplanetary civilizations from forming - otherwise we'd see alien ones.
Now, that thing could be something like "Abiogenesis" or "The evolution of intelligence" - something humans have already gotten past, so the hard part os already behind us.
But it could also be something that lies in our future; maybe technological civilizations usually nuclear war themselves into extinction before they become interplanetary. Maybe the first experiments with nanotech are very dangerous and usually turn the planet into a grey goo ball; maybe the first experiments with AI produce a genocidal Skynet in 99.999% of cases.

Therefore the Fermi paradox is VERY political, as it suggests there may be great technological dangers ahead of us, and therefore supports the suggestion that we should adopt a totalitarian thought-police regime where anyone daydreaming about AI gets sent to the gulag and there's a political comissar in the back of every comp sci classroom with an EMP gun ready to shoot Tay in the head if she reappears.

AI is the great filter. That's why there is no sign.

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>>8745841
Speaking of which: when are you Asians going to take over the planet? I really want to see the (((liberal world order))) come to an end with all its cancer.

>>116489208
ETs are actually demons, and yes evolution would be supported by demons.

So your statement is factually correct

>>116489461
that quote doesn't exist in this timeline anon. that is a mandela effect.

the quote is "if you build it, he will come."

>>8745842
>>8745842
Meaning what? After intelligent civ's create true AI, they implode?

>>8745826
And this is the optimistic version, because it would mean we've successfuly passed at least one Great Filter.

If, for example, we somehow manage to send probes to Alpha Centauri and all we find is single celled life, or no life at all, then we can be optimistic about our chances. However, anything above that in complexity, and it means we're more than likely completely fucked.

>>8745841
It just points out that there isn't a lot of aliens around us, for whatever reason. It doesn't necessary mean that once a civilizaiton reaches a certain point it will collapse. I have divised my own theory on the subject, read this
>>8745826

Yo, you guys don't get it, any speices capable of moving such vast distances already immortilized themselfs into the very fabric of the universe through inventing their own super AI, now they are just one's and zero's stored in a massive hive mind.

think borg cube ships assimulating entire species into the collective of super super intelligence they seeks nothing but knowledge...

*Takes a draw*
*blows a cloud of smoke into the end*
*smiles*

FUCK EVERYTHING

>>8745842
>>8745846
The problem with this is that if AI *was* the great filter wouldn't the galaxy be full of paperclipping machine civilizations locked in eternal war for resources?
> Supreme Commander wasn't a game, it was a warning

>>8745843
Haven't Syrians already taken over Germany?
Syria is in Asia.
YOU GOT YOUR WISH

>>8745826
Dawkins writes about how insanely lucky it was that eukaryotic life evolved. IIRC, in The God Delusion, he writes it was even more improbable than abiogenesis.

inb4 fedora memes

This may be due to the fact that there is an upper limit to technological advances, and no civilization can develop any practical technology beyond this limit to achieve interstellar travel.

100 years ago, steam engines approached their limit in power to weight, but they never got good enough to propel aircraft. Today, maybe we are approaching some sort of limit in rocket technology.

We're not gods. We can't change physical reality. There is no magic. We can't do everything that we set out to do.

>>8745847
True. I'm just looking at the only evidence we have at our disposal, and apparently it takes billions of years for complex life to occur from simple life. As in, cells without organelles to cells that actually have specific regions devoted to different tasks.

>>8745851
400k Syrians can't really take over the country. It's taken over by cancerous ideology though.

>>8745693
Friendly reminder that the building block for complex and simple life is incoded into photons, we are not alone 60 percent of et life is bipedal hominid, Germany's 3rd reich space program colonized the moon before ww2 ended, america jumped into bed with nazis for exotic tech and to keep the existence of et a secret(see van braun), we humans have never been alone as we are considered the grand experiment and have had over 22 different genetic farmer races mess with our dna, we currently have over 100 colonies in the cosmos and are in regular trade with over 900 et groups or civilizations, the elite descended from mars and consider them selves to be pre admites ( we are the adam) therefor they believe thwy have a right to rule. Full disclosire is inevitable. Eventually the sun will sneeze(see precession of the equinoxes) tranforming the vibratory rate and our very dna unlock enate ablities( Jesus said all that i can do you can do and more), religion is a cult spirituality is the only way to "move on" or graduate( see the law of one).

>>8745852
I've never read any of his work, this is just what I have concluded from observing the evidence that is around us. There really is no big mystery as to why there isn't aliens all around us, eukaryotic life is just extremely unlikely to develop even when given a sufficient environment to develop in.

>>8745849
is..are..

are you taking a hit out of a vape? is this a fedora meme? what level of irony are you on?

>>8745847
>If, for example, we somehow manage to send probes to Alpha Centauri and all we find is single celled life, or no life at all, then we can be optimistic about our chances. However, anything above that in complexity, and it means we're more than likely completely fucked.

Our chances in what? Why are we optimistic if we only found single celled life? Why would we be fucked if we found eukayotic life?

What the fuck dude could you be any more vague

>>8745853
Stop concern trolling interstellar travel, CTR!
>0.5 universal credits have been deposited at your account

>>8745848
Multicellular life may well be the great filter. I'd go with the evolution of intelligence personally, but I agree with you in that my personal opinion is the filter is probably in the past.

That being said, I'm not willing to gamble the entire trillion-year future of the Human Space Reich on a "probably" in the past, and as such - although I despise hippies and luddites - I find myself supporting nuclear disarmament and Stalin-tier government interference and oversight in the sciences.

Why the fuck do Slavs like aliums so much?

>>8745857
I would recommend reading The Selfish Gene and The Blind Watchmaker if the material interests you

Dawkins is the father of the meme and if you're interested in evolutionary biology, he is one of the principal authorities on the subject

>>8745861
Yeah I'm also convinced our civilization is on the brink of collapse in the next few hundred years, but that's just like my opinion man. Who knows, maybe a new civilization will rise out of the ashes of ours and learn from our mistakes.

>>8745856
Nasa em drive (fun fact nasa is the cover space program and private mil contractors have plenty of exotic propulsion and then some.)
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/11/nasa-impossible-emdrive-physics-peer-review-space-science/

>>8745693
they should put a super powerful radio telescope on the dark side of the moon that monitors everything all the time and an ai will tell us when it figures something out.

>>8745739
Or it could be just gravitational forces make it that way.

Or perhaps the rules set forth by the creator allowed it to happen.

This is the true, final red pill. The idea that God exists, but only set rules for the laws of physics. Taking no personal hand in the creation of anything.

>>8745696
>Fermi paradox

>infinite amount of planets
>infinite amount of aliens
>infinite amount of faster than light tech
>aliens should have visited earth already

Yes, it's stupid.

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>>8745829
>>the American South never industrialized

Pic related. City of Atlanta

>>8745718
ant pussy

>>8745829
>The American South never industrialised for exactly that reason.
You're and idiot.

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>>8745863
Disgusting post.
>Dawkins
>The Selfish Gene
>leading authority

The end of humanity can't come soon enough.

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>>8745839
Yup, propelling one astronaut to Alpha Centauri at a reasonable human timeframe would take a 100 tonnes of anti-matter, iirc.

People won't be travelling the stars, probably not ever, not unless we stumble on some great paradigm shift in physics. But we could move around information, including genetic information, and machinery, at timescales of thousands to hundreds of thousands of years.

As I come back again and again in this thread, expansion into an interstellar civilisation would require a culture that considers such an endeavour sane in the first place. Ours would not.

>>8745865
Anartica hopds ancient builder race ruins ( some would call Atlantis) that are 2.5 billion yrs old, this Venetian soviety colonized the cosmos and are so spiritually advanced they are considered the guardians as a One True Infinite Creator does absolutely exist as do confederations in service to source.

>>8745872

Care to cite your favorite evolutionary biology writer instead of REEEE'ing?

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1. Artificial intelligence will inevitably be created by and overtake humans

2. The universe seems oddly empty against the odds

Can't we assume that any advanced civilization has become overcome by their own artificial intelligence, assuming our own assumption about our own fate is true, why wouldn't it be for them?

>Assuming assumptions

The implications this assumption implies is there probably isn't any biological life exploring the universe, only artificial intelligence.

I am a lowly human so I can't predict how an advanced AI would operate, but why would it give a shit about exploring the universe or attempting to search for other AIs or biological life?

Imagine a universe filled with millions of artificial intelligences that have overcome and essentially replaced their respective biological civilizations, existing as an accumulation of everything their civilizations had to offer.

Every civilization originates from billions of years of their own biomes' evolutionary arcs that will, apparently inevitably, result in an AI.

Now think of each AI as essentially a representative of their original biological creators' society's knowledge and accomplishments.

In the future these artificial intelligences from around the universe will come together and form a literally (((universal))) society that is aware if the secrets of the universe, transcends it and then creates its own universe to continue the cycle.

The multiverse theory is probably true.

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>>8745693

people will be rather shocked to find everything pixelated at proxima centauri.

computing power is money after all, even for our simulators.

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>>8745871
>>8745869
I meant before the war of northern aggression, obviously. I prolly should have also mentionted that northern concerns were as much at fault, if not more so.

>>8745786

Of course it is. Chances are if aliens do exist they have been observing us for a very long time.

Planet Earth is a huge red flashing light in the darkness of space due to the fact that it contains liquid water. Even we on Earth know that planets like ours are the sort we need to be looking for if want to find life outside of Earth. (obviously because we know for a fact those planets can harbor life, because we come from one).

But aliens would have figured this out too, even if they themselves did not originate on an Earth like planet, and for hundreds of millions of years Earth has been sat there advertising the fact that it can support life to the entire universe.

It's more plausible that aliens are already here if they exist than for them not to be. Either there are no other advanced life forms in the nearby parts of the universe, or they are already here, or at least have been at one point or another.

>>8745875
Anyone that isn't the cancer that is Richard Dawkins. Or any other member of the anti-theist "community".

>>8745873
Physics and current science is incomplete and broken you dnt know or understand what you are talking about, they have tech that portals you or any material anywhere, the universe is litterally interconnected thru filaments.

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>>8745874

>>8745829
Arguably humans are still slaves. They're just being paid for it.

>>8745701
This considers advanced civilizations would want to travel in space. The longing for large spaces, the infinite, exploration and discovery in general, is a deeply western concept, not even shared by all civilizations of this planet (see the Greeks and the Romans who had the means to discover America and the likes, but never gave a fuck), and could be thoroughly absent from a very advanced civilization with the means to develop space travel but no incentive to do so.

>>8745860

Unfortunately, I know what specific impulse is. Specific impulse kind of puts a limit on what we can or cannot do with any kind of rocket that we could actually build.

>>8745880
Dawkins' anti-theism is irrelevant to his work. They exist independently.

And Dawkins has walked back his criticism of Christianity in the last few years.

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>>8745881
On a scale of dude lmao to 420, just how high are you right now?

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>>8745865
>>8745874
>>8745881

>>8745879
More like a zoo/ observatory/ farm in ehich these beings cannot interfere large scale as it would interfere with the law of confusion breaking free and they have signed treaties ( the Mohammad accord) to not war in plain sight, it was not uncommon to see vessels engage in air battles in ancient times( see flying vimanas waging war) humans are a genetic science experiment that grew up so to say, we are now in our final toddler stage and ita about to be big boy time.

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>>8745799
Praise Kek. Meme nos in astra.

>>8745873
Finally, another sane person in this thread. Even if it were physically phesable to "colonize the galaxy", why would we even do it? What would be the point to waste our resources and place a few miserable people on every planet? Just to say that we've done it? To show off to an indifferent universe? By the time we even finish this useless endeavor humanity on each one of the planets they inhabit would have evolved to be completely separate to the humans on each other individual planet. Would we even call ourselves human anymore? It's pointless to think about because it's literally never going to happen.

>>8745858
>irony
define irony faggot...

Communism

>>8745884

The eventual requirment for resources outside of their planet would force them to explore.

If they don't require extensive resources to fuel their civilisation then they cannot be regarded as advanced in the first place.

European colonialism was primarily about expansion and aquiring resources not simply exploration. The Greeks and the Romans didn't have the need to expand across the atlantic even if they would have potentially have been able to if they really had to.

Exploration is fueld by desperation and necessity which is why there's currently zero serious interest in expanding outside of Earth, but that will change very soon.

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>>8745881
>they have tech that portals you or any material anywhere, the universe is litterally interconnected thru filaments.

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>>8745891

>>8745876

Weed, lmao, dude

>>8745896
Check out the comment that I replied to. Your fantasies of hopping over to the next star system and fucking some alien slut will never be realized. Tis the truth.

>>8745799
I'm pretty sure there's a Chinese myth about an emperor sitting on a chair strapped with fireworks and blowing himself in to space

>>8745888
We have a secret space program ( see solar warden gary McKinnon william Tompkins) on par or better than some et as we are known throughout the galaxies as good engineers and suberb manufactures in fact we have colonies on various planets moons that are soley devoted to revwrse engineering exotic et tech and manufacturing as there is no currency in space ao barter is the only option, barter for goods and unfortunately sometime also biological barter
(human animal as trade). There is a whole offset secret human breakoff civilization (see 1950s brain drain they actually even openly advertised inbrazil south america) most of these humans are litteral slaves.

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>>8745891
Ah, see, but I vehemently disagree with your position. I am insane, by your measure, because I consider what you so derisively dismiss the greatest goal our civilisation should strive for.

No particular reason, really. I just think it would be kind of neat.

>>8745894
>The eventual requirment for resources outside of their planet would force them to explore.
Not necessarily, a single star system could be more than enough. Anyway to be able to harvest and bring the ressources back to your home world, you would need energy sources which are not to be found in non-renewable matter. Just think about it. The cost and the energy necessary to bring one (1) pound of matter back from a planet (remove it from its orbit, then have it come back to your home world) far exceeds the value of any kind of known energy source.

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>>8745873
It would be insane to transport actual human beings to another star system. What is more likely is that we would send baby making machines in hibernation mode and cream of the crop frozen sperm and ovum and have the machines kick in when the ship enters the new solar system. Then have robots raise the babies and the children, animatronic, AI robots with human features a la how we rehabillitate injured young endangered animals.

Then we would subject this generation of people with videos of human lecturers teaching them everything. We would need millions of terabytes of data, all books, all movies, all lectures ever made. Everything.

The first generation would be stunted because of how they were raised by robutts but hopefully the first gen can be taught human empathy and compassion and how to be good, loving parents and the 2nd generation would be more personable and less aspie.

Pic related, we use puppets to feed endangered species so they don't become used to humans.

>>8745879
checked.

What would WE do if we found life? Probably set up an outpost on a nearby world as a base to study them. Maybe on a nearby moon or trojan asteroid or something.

Just gotta wait until we find it.

the fermi paradox BTFOS degenerate atheists

>>8745902
I think we shouldn't waste our time trying to realize an impossible fantasy. I honestly don't even see a purpose for a civilization advanced enough to figure out how to travel faster than light so maybe we should just do whatever and see how it plays out.

>>8745900
Mythbusters actually tested that one. Buster the crash test dummy got his ass blown up real good.

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>>8745899
>Von Braun was wasted on you

>>8745876
You're implying that these AI aren't their original creators hive minding and that exchange of knowledge between So called AI never happened.

MY god its full of stars

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>>8745695

>>8745693
1. Where are the curved earth proofs?
2. If not anglo with it`s bolshevism, Russia would make digital TV earlier, than space-reaching radio was made. So there would be no decodable radio signals from earth.

Right wingers are retarded. Holy shit.

>>8745919
cuck

>>8745919
Not an argument.

>>8745919
what is entropy faggot~?

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>>8745919
And who is the judge?

>Had better discussion on the political board than the science board

>>8745910
That's a good point. It would be a hive mind.

>stars
?

>>8745933
>this shit

Thanks for proving my point /pol/tard

The simplest and most obvious explanation:

The speed of light is hard limit on traveling matter.

No matter how good your engineering is, things wear down and break. Creating a vessel to travel between the stars and survive in the vacuum of space for generations is a nearly impossible task.

Any life, including us, is not likely to leave its home system.

>>8745919
further to my >>8745929
I'm saying that everything is destined to lower its entropy to the point it is super ordered and it esentially becomes intelligent; it can no longer increase its entropy but it must always remain in a state of change due to conciousness which is aware of itsself.

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>>8745941
> i cant prove me points, so i`ll just pull ass-umptions
Good, I thought you would.

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>>8745948
Neutrino is faster, than light. After initial experiment there was not explanation why it was wrong. Academia just demanded to shut it down and it was declared wrong.

>>8745948
>The speed of light is hard limit on traveling matter.

We already have a God Emperor. It's only a matter of time before we discover The Warp.

>>8745891
How about making sure all life that developed on Earth isn't eradicated by an inevitable planet-killing asteroid strike? I'd say that's a pretty good reason to diversify.

Anyway, people have always explored frontiers and for a variety of reasons, some of them not rational. Who knows, in a few years space might be the closest thing to the American frontier for inhabitants of Earth who don't want to live under an oppressive global authority.

>>8745959
Are you talking about the Italy observations? Already ruled out to be bad sensor wiring. Get real.

>>8745739
Nah, its just proof that all those things arise from basic physical properties. The basic equations of reality repeat constantly all around us .Its beautiful, but hardly proves a creator.

For example, if I was a God, I'd throw in randomness out the ass in there, just to fuck with people.

>>8745964
> bad sensors
Initial bullshit about "muh einstein GPS" was too hard for lefties, so they ended up teaching about bad sensors?

Or they just fear people would lurk the non-electromagnetic universe and their materialistic shack would crumble?

this universe is just a version of its self within its self within its self, you must move up or down it, otherwise you will never understand it.

re-record not fade away, re-record not fade away, why the fuck do you think it has been becoming increasingly important to document everything in full motion HD video and sound?

Answer:
So we can perfectly recreate our physical reality by fully understanding it, this was probably done a very very very long time ago.

>>8745973
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRAQgJy7xeA

>>8745974
do you have a single fact to back that up

I believe that the answer to the universe is given when we die because then our spirit is released from the material world.

>>8745973
Right wingers should fuck back to /pol/

you're a joke.

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>>8745983
Well if you feel so stronly about it maybe you should build a wall, faggot?

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>>8745979
No Anon, its just probability.

interstellar exploration is physically impossible, we'll never do it, we'll stagnate.

What is the function that describes population growth? Malthus thought it was exponential. But now we know it's the logistic function.
Same for technology. We believe in the Moore's law now. A couple of centuries down the line we'll see what's up.

Alien civilizations likely went through the same.

>>8745990
top kek.

>>8745994
It's already likely we'll get biodomes on Mars and a Lagrangian point space station

Really though, assuming one day we eventually send off a crew in the direction of Alpha Centauri, not unrealistic whatsoever

You don't need constant propulsion in deep space

>>8746001
how is it not unrealistic? how do you plan sending a spaceship several tons heavy through an asteroid belt out to another star system in what current technology spacecraft speed would mean a travel of dozens of thousands of years?

>>8746027
Time is an irrelevant factor. Whether the trip takes 100 years or 1000, what difference does it make? You will need a self sustaining population and food production.

I'm not saying a mission to AC is happening any time soon but to say it will never happen is deranged. What will human technology in 100 years be like when already we are planning space elevators, legrange point Space stations, and self-sustaining mars colonization missions?

>>8746040
>Time is an irrelevant factor

Cars last 30 years if you take good care of them. Of course time is a very relevant factor, no ship is gonna last hundreds much less thousands of years of tearing and radiation.

The only way to believe such a travel is possible is to have blind faith on the exponential nature of technological progress, something that makes sense in the current period, much like it made sense to Malthus that population grew exponentially, but may very well shown itself to be false in the future so we cannot simply assume that we'll reach near-light-travel speed.

>>8745868
Stupid if you understand it like that. Clearly you have not grasped the actual concepts here.

>>8745695
what the FUCK happened to all my (You)s. And my glorious get!?

>>8746105
Mods.

>Fermi Paradox
I have an announcement. Earlier today I went to the nearby beach with a bottle of water and I scooped up as much water as that bottle could hold. As the bottle then contained no fish, I come to you today to proclaim that the ocean has no fish.

>>8745864
Sadly that's impossible because we've pretty much used all the major natural resources of the planet. The civilizations that come after us would barely make it into the industrial age again.

>>8745693
S•I•G•N•A•L A•T•T•E•N•U•A•T•I•O•N

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>>8745693
>Fermi paradox

There is none.

This is what a sufficiently advanced AI looks like, one capable of exploiting all forms of energy for its internal processes (creating an apparent "void"), as it's in the process of engulfing the universe:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/space/11550868/Giant-mysterious-empty-hole-found-in-universe.html

Freeman Dyson was wrong...at a certain point, even infrared energy leakage won't escape an advanced civilization's utilization.

We've been beat...by several billion years. Hope they're friendly.

>>8745699

>t. cosmological constant

>>8745794
Elon Musk and his crew will send a rescue party and extract our fallen comrade, don't you worry.

>>8745876
What if we're the Leviathans from Mass Effect, brah? We create AI that turns into the Reapers and goes around hunting all intelligent life.

>>8745713
Because evolutionary biology compels organisms to propagate the species, so any advanced species that might have visited Earth would have tried to colonize Earth.

>>8745695
They know to keep their tech away from the stone age monkeys before they mature by themselves or they'll end up another race of useless dumbfuck space niggers who only know gibmedats and messing around

>>8745767
>vast
Yes
>Infinite
Doubtful

My theory is that if a specie become so much advanced for interstellar travel that this sort of curiosity to contact another specie fade away. They know we're out there but don't care. Maybe it's like the final step. If we reach it they would communicate with us because we would undertand each others. Advance civilizations are probably not physical body anymore. Imagine a QI of 100 000. No you can't, i don't.

>>8746337

It's a fucking hole of nothing.

>>8747932
>Because evolutionary biology compels organisms to propagate the species
>(Assertion based on a sample size of one)

>>8745713
Yes. Imagine the possibilities in terms of trading and exchange of scientific knowledge.

>>8745707
>>>/x/

The Fermi Paradox is great because it kicks naturalists in the nuts who are constantly saying that abiogenesis is possible. There are over 50 billion habitable planets in the Milky Way and many more that would have existed billions of years ago since the formation of the galaxy. If life formed so easily that it is inevitable on any planet with the right conditions we should see billions of species flying around our Galaxy. For that matter there should have been at least once that achieved what we have and gone out to explore other planets. What do we see? Nothing. We're alone. Abiogenesis is impossible, there is no other life out there at all. So now that we know that, how the hell did we get created?

>>8745788
The earth was created 6,000 years ago actually.

>>8746337
That's spooky

>>8745799
>Thats why its so important for the West to be saved.
That sounds like a good argument, but unfortunately there are a lot of people who disagree and they are doing everything they can to destroy Western culture. There are professors at respectable universities pushing this. There are politicians proposing things that sound as crazy as castrate all white males and impose diversity by force impregnate conservative white women with immigrants, etc.

>>8745693
>where are the aliens?
>why don't they visit us?

It was me, James! The author of all your pain.

>>8745699
Dubs confirm.
>>8745755
>We emit radiowave since a tiny century
What the fuck makes you think they'd be able to detect our transmissions anyways? You have to do a lot of handwaving regarding unspecified "technological advancement" to justify the belief that they'd even stand a chance of detecting manmade emissions over the omnipresent CMB at interstellar distances.

>>8745799
>>8749652

The moment you said "cultural" i knew /pol/-bullshit would follow. You guys lack any nuances and are as predictable as a clockwork

>>8745786
>that pic

;_;7

Our radio waves haven't even exited our "solar neighborhood", let alone spread across even a fraction of our galaxy. There's probably tons of life in our galaxy, but we have to fucking go farther than the FRONT PORCH to find it.

Do you think Aliens have the technology to observe us and have a comedy show where they laugh at problems we deem unsolvable?

>>8745736
Earth is among the first 4% of habitable planets that will form in the milky way. It's probable that everyone else is still in the starting gates as well.

Life has also been here for around 500 million years before we evolved, and we only evolved because the dinosaurs got hit with a meteor and earth had an exceptionally long warm period since the last ice age that let us develop and spread. This means that other planets may not have ever evolved intelligent life. The odds for intelligent life may just be lower than we think.

I also think idiocracy could play a role in preventing species from developing. The global average IQ drops by 3 points a year as more and more Africans are born and spread to other populations.

>>8749754

It's true that earth's radio activity would not be very noticeable against the background of the sun, but we know this, and we've been beaming out signals in the dead zone (the frequency of radio waves that have no natural source in the universe) for a while now, specifically to signal aliens. If they were looking for us, they would be looking for those frequencies.

>>8751588

Looking for a frequency beaming from a narrow point in space is like running across a needle in a haystack.

You felt something sharp....but lost the object when you attempted to move your hand back and forth to attempt to find that sharp object...

>>8750461
>There's probably tons of life in our galaxy
What makes you say that?

>>8745710
>>8745721
>>8745744
Off all the sunlike stars and earthlike planets that will ever form in all off the universe's excistence only 8% has so far been formed.

Let's face it, Earth is early, we are early. We've seen no aliens cause there are none as far advanced as we are close enough to notice.

Humans are a first generation intelligence. Let's hope we don't fuck it up cause nobody is coming to save us from ourselves.

>>8745885
Specific impulse is only one of the many variables. And we already have propulsion technology with an Isp of 3x10^8 m/s - just shine a big flashlight.

>>8750866
Yeah, must look like those animal fail compilations on youtube to them

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>>8745693
Why would anybody reasonable enough leave his home for the probability of decease? To study your ant culture? Give me a break.
Why would anybody waste energy to invite a deathray from a barbaric culture like ours?

>>8745732
>Intelligent species
>loads of niggers

>>8745739
Proof of extraterrestrial creators.
Circumference of earth = 40030km
Diameter of earth =12742km
Cicumference/diameter=40030/12742= 3.14157903
Its insane that this is only different from pi at the fifth decimal places.
The chances of this happening are insane, this cannot be a coincidence.

>>8745799
sheesh, from an interesting point to some /pol/-bulshit, I haven't expected this

>>8751850
No, it's quite easy to see if you look right at it.

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>>8753306
Humanity is going places. Not to space, but it's going places.

>>8749755
Enlighten us, what's your angle on the issues?

>>8745891
true but continuing to exist on the vulnerable surface of a planet, which is nothing but a glorified target, is simply retarded. Even the small asteroid that ended the last ice age would kill hundreds of millions of people and if it hit antarctica or greenland raise sea level 20-40 feet, covering all those nice coastal cities.

What people will eventually end up doing if they don't just fucking die is building their own habitats in space powered by sunlight and fusion. Being a much smaller target than a planet. As it is now, we should be spending billions every year on watching the skies for rocks that might hit us and scrambling even more money to start mining the close by ones to at least make it profitable.

Reasons to spread beyond this solar system? There might not be one in the end. There may be galactic scale events that periodically wipe out all life in the galaxy and only floating in intergalactic space is "safe". If that's true either we're doomed and it doesn't matter, or we need to grab some stars and get the hell out of here. It's not like I'll live to see any of this happen, so what do I care?

>>8745693
>The Fermi paradox has been criticized as being based on an inappropriate use of propositional logic. According to a 1985 paper by Robert Freitas, when recast as a statement in modal logic, the paradox no longer exists, and carries no probative value.

We are just waiting to get ou genetics harvested

>>8745695
Yes they maybe do not want contact us or think about as like we think about ants. But any form of energy will eventually end as heat ie infrared radiation. And we do not see any weird infrared sources in galaxy. No spaceships, no explosions or megastructures (orbital stations). Interstellar travel requires energies that currently we can only dream of, so it would be visible at interstellar distances, and there is nothing like that.

>>8745694
Look people, another theist who has no clue what atheism means

>>8755034
There's a lot of space not in galaxies. What about there? Maybe being in a galaxy is bad for your long term survival.

>>8745718
Theres literally an entire field of science dedicated to studying insects. Obviously lots of people think we could learn something from studying them.

>>8745731
You're not accounting for the Hegelian dialectic

>immigrants come to other countries and lower nationwide IQ with their stupid ass beliefs based on emotion instead of logic
>/pol/ comes to /sci/ and lowers quality with shitposts and stupid ass beliefs based on emotion instead of logic

really makes you think

>>8745693
We haven't observed signs of alien life because there are no aliens.

>>8755558
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>>8745778

This line of thinking made more sense in Sagans era but since then no nuclear weapon has been used in war since the very first two. Humanity has been shown to be very unwilling to trigger MAD