Thought experiment

>>8739848
See
https://arxiv.org/pdf/0905.4352.pdf

>>8739856
Thanks much, I'll give this a read! Though maybe not until later tonight, seems pretty in-depth.

>>8739865

If you think this extremely light and low-math treatment is "pretty in-depth", then you have no business coming up with theories about the nature of spacetime.

>>8739893
Excuse me, but it's more in depth than my idea was. And the very fact that I've come up with this idea not having read anything similar to it before means I'm on the same general track which I believe shows I have at least a *little* room to talk about it. I just meant it's a lot of reading for me right now as I am busy. Please, take your negativity and gtfo my internet.

>>8739893
Also just to point out your ignorance, not everyone in the physics community was a math wizard. Einstein had a friend do most of his complex calculations.

>Forgetting the walls of the imaginary tank, would the pressure of the oil be highest where it meets the sponge/rock?
Wouldn't the pressure be the same in the whole tank ?

Einstein said spacetime is like a fabric. I disagree, and think it's more like a dick, or maybe like a feminine penis.

>>8739950
That's what I'm wondering, whether the displacement is strongest at the source.

>>8739848
Okay so I have a 3 dimensional tank full of oil. There is sphere ('loose sponge') whose mass is 1 kg, and sphere ('tighter sponge') whose mass is 10 kg, both of equal size.

According to traditional laws of physics, these sponges will move towards each other due to gravity. 'Loose sponge' moves more (because it gains more acceleration being lighter).

How in the oil-tank thought-experiment the absorption/compression of oil the sponges do cause them to move closer towards each other given time?

>>8739968
If the pressure is highest at the source of displacement, one would be able to deduce that it is the oil itself moving the matter. So long as they were close enough.

>>8739856
What does it mean? Did they figure out black holes ? Did they figure out gravity?

>>8739975
Haven't read it yet but it seems to correlate with what I'm thinking.

>>8739979
If you got the math power level to understand it please give a brief description what the paper trys to explain

Thank you

>>8739848
The operative word being "like". Pretending that spacetime is anything more than formalism modeling nature belies the puerile musings of a PBS viewer.

>>8739987
>>8739991
Both of you are trolls lol, go away unless you plan to contribute something useful.

>>8740000
lay off the popsci kid

None of you have disproved my idea yet. Until I see that, I will continue to tout it as a possible theory no matter what slander or mud you sling.

>>8740000
Did you just point to a 46 page physics paper and say "Summarize that?"

If you're so smart, you do it lol

Also you really didn't prove anything...

>>8739987
oops wrong number ^

>>8739930
>friend
Einstein also had a PhD in physics. Do you?

>>8740962
I am younger than he was when he got it, anon. I still have two years.

why are people comparing space time with man made materials? It's more complex than that isn't it?

>>8741004
>says oil and sponge was man made
lol

>>8739914
>>8739930
>HURR IM JUST LIKE EINSTEIN

No. You're just like a million other morons who think they've "solved" physics, and for the same reason: Duning-Kruger Effect.

>>8741110
isn't sponge man made?

>>8741110
what anon saying is that the space time is more complex than your everyday materials

>>8739848
They allow internet in nurseries now?

>>8741117
Clearly I have the cognitive ability to formulate theories that fall into place well enough. Who are you to say I'm of lesser ability? Why, because I'm on 4chan? Suck it up kid, if you don't like what I said take your bullshit to the press because as I said earlier, slinging mud at me is useless. You, as the others in your position, have not falsified anything I've said here with your statement. *You* look like the one of lesser ability, kid, as your argument has nothing to do with the theory being discussed. You've only tried to call someone out, and that makes you look like a bag of smashed dicks.

>>8741155
If that were the case, Einstein himself would not have been able to perform many of his own thought experiments. We use everyday materials to PROBE space-time... So yeah that doesn't really make sense.

Let's say the spacetime is indeed like a fluid but what are being absorbed by the sponge? your mom's grool XDDDDDDDXFCFCFDXDDXDCFDDDXDXDXDD #FUNNYMOMENTS

>>8741159
Dear god, this fucking website.

>>8741164
Space itself, idiot.

>>8741162
maybe there's a point to it? To make some sense for the human brain. Just shut the fuck up human as I'm a far superior species than you and take your shitty "physics" logic and shove it somewhere

>>8741165
Then gtfo? You're not asked to stay

>>8741172
but space isn't a matter. How can one absorb space?

>>8741176
Oh wow we have a special one here, what are you then AHAHAHAHA

>>8741179
Does space not exist between particles of matter? The oil is just a metaphor. The space already exists, it doesn't have to be absorbed.

you are not disapproving einstein's but rather having a different point of view. Try denying the spacetime fabric then I'll take you seriously kiddo

>>8739848
wouldn't the pressure be equal every where and it only would only have more pressure around the objects when they are first placed in but then it would equal out

>>8741184
>Fabric
>flat sheet
If you want it to be a fabric, that means you'd have to have a fabric for each Planck length at *least*. Seems a bit cumbersome to me. Also, if it's a fabric lattice, how do you displace it without ripping it somewhere? Like, on a solar scale.

>>8741185
That was the question I asked *first*. Whether the pressure would be equal, or focused at the point where it interacts with a mass.

>>8741180
if I did tell you what I am, your underdeveloped so called brain won't even aceept it. Just do more of your shitty delusional and come out with stupid theory. We are laughing at you since Adam choked on a fruit

>>8741193
Your grammar is TERRIBLE you know....

>>8741193
One would think a being of higher intelligence than I would understand English a *little* better?...

>>8741192
well if space behaves like a fluid like you propose then the pressure would be equal everywhere (that is if that is how a fluid actually behaves)

>>8741200
I don't know enough fluid dynamics to answer that question on my own. It's why I posted the idea, for help completing that bit. I have a mathematician friend who seems to think a closed system applies pressure the most where interference occurs.

>>8741196
>>8741199
I'm sorry for not using your english "language" properly. Your language system is fucked since the beginning. Don't tell me my grammar is terrible as I have no intention on fixing my "grammar" any time soon. I hope "order 66" will be execute any time soon. Just remember, we live among you.

>>8741159

Your "idea" is laughably stupid, as you would know if you weren't so stupid yourself. I'll give you a clue: When people say "spacetime is like a fabric", that's what we call a METAPHOR. Spacetime ISN'T a fabric, that's just a simple way to explain it to stupid people (like you).

>>8741203
You're a delusional idiot and should be banned to cure the cancer.

>>8741201
I don't know much about fluid dynamics either, I'm going off of intuition so I could be wrong

>>8741201
>I don't know enough fluid dynamics to answer that question on my own
/thread and read more faggot

>>8741207
So could I, that makes two of us

>>8741209
Neither do you apparently so gtfo unless you have useful info.

>>8741206
don't call me delusion, your knowledge of the universe is a delusion. The more days I have to live among you humans, the more I fucking hate it

>>8741217
kys

>>8741212
it's like saying "I have an idea how to make a pen but don't know what ink is"

>>8741221
such an intelligent statement to make. Oh dear human please ask for absolution before it's too late

>>8741222

"Also, I don't know what capillary action is, nor do I know what writing and drawing are"

>>8741201
if you don't even know how fluid works, why would you even make such statement? This might be a better thread if you just cancel out the disagreeing part

>he thinks his ideas are worth shit without mathematical formulation

y'all still haven't given me any reason not to continue thinking about this idea, and I'm going to bed now. Nice chat, fags.

>>8741230
To get an answer, idiot. That's how people learn, with questions. And none of you shitposters provided the answer so you must all be as stupid as I am. And that's an *aspect* of fluid I fail to understand. Broaden your viewpoint lol

>>8739848
>Einstein ...
>.. I disagree
>>>/trash/

>>8741309
People aren't allowed to disagree in science anymore?

>>>/trash/

>>8739893
Gotta love how arrogant mathletes are about their own self importance.

I once briefly entertained the thought that the reason gravity works the way it does is because of the electrons in everything constantly being attracted to the protons in everything else, because my 8th grade mind likened protons and electrons to behaving like magnetic poles towards each other.

Large masses have large amounts of stationary protons, and electrons being able to move freely between atoms would naturally try to get closer to things with overly positive charge, and be repelled by masses with overly negative charges the same way magnet poles of the same polarity would repel each other

And here is my dumb ass 8th grade theory on how gravity works and how antigravity might work

as dumb as it is, it has manage to stay with me all these years

So tell me how retarded my theory is so I can finally put it to rest

Liquids spread their pressure evenly. It's a bad comparison OP. You're mathematician friend is a dum-dum.

>>8741357
That's already accounted for by electric dipoles- your thought pattern isn't wrong, as electrostatic forces depend on what you're describing, but that doesn't account for gravity itself.

The experiments done to show masses having force on each other regardless of electric dipoles are very rigorous, and essentially rule out the possibility of free flowing charge changing the result by more than an insignificant amount.

If your theory is correct that gravity acts more like a liquid then doesn't it mean that the universe is collapsing inwards but when but the black holes are added into the equation they make the universe denser thus making it expand . so is gravity created due to the universe expanding and collapsing, like ripples in the tank you said about

>>8741385
>...your thought pattern isn't wrong
>The experiments done... ...essentially rule out the possibility of free flowing charge changing the result by more than an insignificant amount.
Ah, thanks for that.
At least my 8th grade self wasn't as stupid as I thought
it's one thing to have a stupid theory
it's another to have a theory plausible enough to warrant testing by educated people

>>8739848
>I disagree with Einstein
good luck with that, faggot

>>8741357
The effective charge of say a planet is effectively neutral as for every proton there is an electron. So if that were the case thing's wouldn't move generally as they attract as much as they repel. Also it doesn't account for gravity in chargeless particles like neutrinos.

>>8741292
Why should you stop thinking about it ? And what is the question of your thread? What is it you want to know? Also the paper that has been linked seems to be pretty close to what you described.

>>8739848
You moron. It doesnt matter what the medium spacetime is most like is. You arent saying anything different than Einstein did. Fabric is just an easy way to describe 3 dimensional space in an easy to observe 2 dimensional plane. Nobody intelligent ever thought space time was actually like fabric, its just the easiest way to visualize it. Your fluid is literally the exact same concept with a different name. Kill yourself my man.

>>8741201
Hes right. Fluid pressure is equal everywhere inside said fluid, with an increase in pressure at the bottom of a vessel because of gravity. In a zero g environment fluid pressure is equal everywhere in any given tank. If some mass suddenly popped into existence inside the tank the pressure around it would increase temporarily until the shockwave, traveling at the speed of sound, reached the outside edge of the tank, causing pressure to become equal throughout the entire tank again.

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Matter is like oil and spacetime is more like water