How much would a manned mission to Jupiter system cost if we

>>8731741
Why tho

>>8731741
what do you want it to do there? land? it can't.
The only missions one should send to gas giants will either collect visuals or crash into the planet (or both).

>>8731741
radiation would kill everyone

The problem is that no big launchers exist yet, so "cost" cannot be set

If you were forcing scientists and engineers to work at gun point, it could be real cheap

>>8731741
about tree fiddy

>>8731873
visit Europa
>>8731905
magnets

>>8732096
Why would we want a manned mission in Europa? Especially this early. Let's just see how the flybys go (and see if the suggested lander will actually take place)

The bulk of the cost would be launching it from Earth. Once you've escaped Earth's orbit, the cost drops significantly. But then, that is at least 5 years worth of livingspace, food and water you're launching. Then you've got radiation shielding. I'd estimate at least a trillion for the entire project.

>>8731741
Pretty insurmountable because of cyclotronic radiation

>>8731741
It would cost a heavy lift vehicle, a semi large crew capsule, a years worth of food and an entire crew worth of human lives.

>>8732013
Well they should just make it free.

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>>8732096
>falling for the europa meme
If we wanted to set up camp on Jupiter's moons, it would be on Callisto or possibly Ganymede, where the radiation is actually manageable.

>>8732178
>Why would we want a manned mission in Europa?

So that somebody can look around, with an actual human brain on site, and see what is going on.

>>8732379
The living space is reusable, as is most of the water.

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>>8731741

A rocket to get in space, solar sails for the pod, parachutes for reentry, two full crates of canned beans, a muslim and a goat so he can have a healthy sex life all the years.

pretty cheap if you don't get biological beans

>>8731741

It would cost human lives.

>>8734559
meeh

>>8734531
1: all data is interpreted by humans anyways and humans can order rovers around

2: everything interesting on europa we don't know about yet is located several km below its surface, humans can't actually get there

>>8732013
Well, arguably you could still make estimates assuming certain scenarios.

for example, we could say, revive some shuttle technology and build several shuttle C's, use them as ferries to assemble a simple station with a staged engine, and run it as a flyby mission that would possibly run some teleop robotics, take many photos, and generally be a probe.

Is it the best most wonderful mission plan? probably no, but you could base some cost estimates off of it.

>>8734582
More to the point, we do not dare send humans to the water, for if we do, then one of the most interesting environments yet known in the solar system may just have been contaminated. it is best we proceed with extreme caution at this point.

>>8733372
radiation is a technical challenge and therefore one of the more easily surmountable obstacles for this plan, far more difficult is funding over the long term.

>>8731900
Gas giants also have moons, dude.

>>8735484
>probably no, but you could base some cost estimates off of it.

Yea sure you could, and you'd get a figure that was 100 times what a sane mission plan would look like.

>>8734559
What do those cost?

>>8735500
a 'sane mission' can be many things to many people.

If the only goal was to have humans fly through I might would have suggested something different, but my assumption is that science is a goal, and I was trying to include reference to a plausible scientific mission along board.

the problem generally is that missions that are done change a great deal from the ones that are planned, often thanks partly to politics, but also some other reasons. It is difficult to say what a manned jupiter mission would look like at this point, there is not the political climate to make even a bare bones one occur.